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Correlating Lithuanian translation with the GUI of OO
Hello,
So far I've quite comfortable working with Poedit within its own range
of possibilities. What's essentially lacking though is a way of
correlating my translations with the actual GUI of OO.
I'm running into many instances when I simply have to know more of the
context than a given string can actually provides in order to get not
just the concepts right but also the right order of words, declination
endings, etc. One way of grappling with this situations is by
juxtaposing my translation with those in German, Russian, and Polish
(the languages I know besides my native) but it is not satisfactory.
Is there a tool / technique / special OO build or extension that would
held me locate the translated strings cur in the GUI of OO?
Regards,
Aivaras
2013.03.14 11:06, Aivaras Stepukonis rašė:
> Hello,
>
> I wasn't aware something like a KeyID build existed. It sounds very
> promising. Based on Serg Bormant's description this is exactly what is
> needed in the case of declined languages (I'm translating to
> Lithuanian) which are much more contextual than analytic languages.
>
> Where can I download the latest version of KeyID?
>
> Regards,
>
> Aivaras
>
>
> 2013.03.14 06:58, Serg Bormant rašė:
>> Hi janl,
>>
>> kid is very usefull, especially for offline translation and moreover
>> with
>> separate build when adding key IDs to the language of translation. We
>> can
>> simply grep for key ID on the .po tree to identify the one msgstr from
>> large set. For ex., in Russian we need to differ verbs with nouns
>> because
>> they has different translations, so verb Print is "Печатать", but the
>> same noun in dialog title is "Печать" and so on. With kid we can find
>> the
>> right target "Print" in list of others.
>>
>> I thought it was a feature our testers used a lot, so I have prepared
>> genLang with a "kid switch" so it later can be expanded to generate the
>> keys.
>>
>> It's very important to and heavily used by at least Russian team.
>>
>
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Re: Tagged Menu Entries
Posted by Louis Suárez-Potts <lu...@gmail.com>.
Wow.
On 13-03-16, at 17:18 , Aivaras Stepukonis <as...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have stumbled upon this rather old initiative called a 'built' version of OpenOffice 1.1.3 (Arusha) <http://www.kilinux.udsm.ac.tz/kiblog/kiblog_sw/archives/permalinks/2004-11-11T10_11_03.html> for tagging menu entries and showing references to PO files.
>
> Is anything like that available for the current version of Open Office? Or perhaps something like that in the works?
Hm….
Looking at the link, Arusha, a section in TZ and also a people who speak maasai but who use Kiswahili makes me think you might be referring to the kiswahili version of OpenOffice.org.
As much as I could, I worked with the team making what turned out to be Jambo OpenOffice. <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jambo_OpenOffice>.
Unfortunately, as the Wikipedia entry indicates…...
It'd be nice if the Kiswahili version of AOO were resumed. The primary driver of it left the project and moved back to Sweden, and then sort of became incommunicado, though I tried contacting him late last year, as I wanted this particular effort to resume, too. I used to know some of the principals behind it, but that was back in 2004, ages ago. And as was more often the case then, projects more quickly withered on the vine than bore fruit.
That is not to say that there wouldn't be a lot of interest in this resuming; of that, I have no doubt. Macroeconomic issues, such as the recent elections in Kenya, a well as recent (>2 years) accelerations in ICT would likely drive attention to such an effort.
What sort of resources could you marshal? At a guess I can think that there would be quite a few here who would find such a localization effort of interest.
>
> With best wishes,
>
> Aivaras
best
louis
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Re: Tagged Menu Entries
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
Hello
On Sat, Mar 16, 2013 at 11:18:15PM +0200, Aivaras Stepukonis wrote:
> Hello,
>
> I have stumbled upon this rather old initiative called a 'built'
> version of OpenOffice 1.1.3 (Arusha) <http://www.kilinux.udsm.ac.tz/kiblog/kiblog_sw/archives/permalinks/2004-11-11T10_11_03.html>
> for tagging menu entries and showing references to PO files.
This looks like an enhanced (or old) kid build.
> Is anything like that available for the current version of Open
> Office? Or perhaps something like that in the works?
This thread discusses the kid/help id thing. You can use the help ID in
the current version you are using to locate a PO file.
This does not solve the problem of locating in the user interface the
string you are currently translating.
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
Tagged Menu Entries
Posted by Aivaras Stepukonis <as...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
I have stumbled upon this rather old initiative called a 'built' version
of OpenOffice 1.1.3 (Arusha)
<http://www.kilinux.udsm.ac.tz/kiblog/kiblog_sw/archives/permalinks/2004-11-11T10_11_03.html>
for tagging menu entries and showing references to PO files.
Is anything like that available for the current version of Open Office?
Or perhaps something like that in the works?
With best wishes,
Aivaras
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Re: Correlating Lithuanian translation with the GUI of OO
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
Hello,
On Thu, Mar 14, 2013 at 10:57:37PM +0200, Aivaras Stepukonis wrote:
> Hello,
>
> So far I've quite comfortable working with Poedit within its own
> range of possibilities. What's essentially lacking though is a way
> of correlating my translations with the actual GUI of OO.
The UI to PO correlation (for example: given a menu item, or a button in
a control, find the PO file where it should be translated) can be solved
by HelpID or kid, see this thread.
Unfortunately, the PO to UI correlation (given a string in a PO file,
find the element in the UI that is being translated) is not that "easy".
> Is there a tool / technique / special OO build or extension that
> would held me locate the translated strings cur in the GUI of OO?
None, AFAIK; everything I can imagine involves something "geek" (that
is, certain level of knowledge of the source code); developers have
a tool called opengrok, for example, that might help for your case, but
might be complicated for a translator.
Taking the example of the Help ID in this pictures:
a) CB_REDUCEIMAGERESOLUTION
http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/HelpIDs.png
b) RID_SVXPAGE_COLOR
http://people.apache.org/~arielch/images/HelpID_cui.png
Searching only the module helpcontent2 in opengrok (this module contains
all the help files in english):
a)
http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/search?q=CB_REDUCEIMAGERESOLUTION&defs=&refs=&path=helpcontent2&hist=&project=aoo-trunk
b)
http://opengrok.adfinis-sygroup.org/source/search?q=RID_SVXPAGE_COLOR&defs=&refs=&path=helpcontent2&hist=&project=aoo-trunk
Finding the help file can give you a hint about the context. Of course,
this works only if there is documentation in the help files for the
respective helpID
Example (a) would be from a string located in ui/filter/source/pdf.po
#: impdialog.src#RID_PDF_TAB_GENER.CB_REDUCEIMAGERESOLUTION.checkbox.text
msgid "~Reduce image resolution"
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina