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[Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Hi,
I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that "Fundamentally, as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following provision:
- Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4
* The rationale for this provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the Apache 2.0. licence scheme.
* Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache will most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will result in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code.
Well that's the basic idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo project.
Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
Michael
Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Alexandro Colorado <jz...@openoffice.org>.
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:41 PM, Doug <dm...@optonline.net> wrote:
> On 10/25/2011 12:26 AM, Doug wrote:
>
>> On 10/24/2011 11:04 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote:
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the
>>> Apache OOo team in completing the transition of the source code earlier this
>>> month. As for my proposal, it stems from one statement made in the
>>> OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that "Fundamentally, as a project
>>> "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a
>>> great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the
>>> following provision:
>>>
>>> - Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either
>>> leave the office suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache
>>> OpenOffice.org 4
>>> * The rationale for this provision is the fact that the OOo code will
>>> undergo (or has undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to
>>> be compliant with the Apache 2.0. licence scheme.
>>> * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache will
>>> most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project
>>> which will result in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org
>>> source code.
>>> Well that's the basic idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh
>>> will be beneficial for the Apache OOo project.
>>>
>>> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>>>
>>> Michael
>>>
>> This is probably not the place for the following, but since I don't know
>> what is, and you are undoubtedly one of the
>> movers and shakers in Apache O, I would like to suggest a couple of
>> things:
>>
>> 1. For Pete's sake, drop that final "o." If there ever was a
>> www.OpenOffice.org, it is surely gone by now.
>> 2. Incorporate all the visual goodies and selections that Symphony
>> offers, so that you really have a
>> competitive product to the commercial guys like MS Office.
>> 3. Fix Calc so that the blank boxes printed above the normal spreadsheet
>> disappear. I can send you a sample if
>> you don't know what I'm talking about. Even Symphony has the
>> problem. It looks like Libre has fixed it.
>>
>> Good luck with this. I look forward to using the final product, whenever
>> it comes out.
>>
>> --doug
>>
>> Replying to myself: yes, there actually is an OpenOffice.org. Oh, well.
> . . . OOo still looks silly.
yawn we have this discussion plenty of times. Ipad sounds like something you
use to stop a menstrual cycle and .net well... there is that nice dot again,
nevermind dot mac and others.
However when you are familiar with the product, and you identified with it,
is not the same effect. OOo has long been with their users and probably is
the best branding we could have. Not only that is embeded on the source code
(althought plenty of star stuff as well), the branches, the userlist and in
the vocabulary of most of the users.
Then again is this really that big of a thing?
>
>
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by floris v <fl...@gmail.com>.
Op 25-10-2011 12:55, Patrick Durusau schreef:
> Terry,
>
> On 10/25/2011 04:50 AM, Terry wrote:
>> Hi, Alan. I know that. 'Apache
>> OpenOffice' would be a good name. I just think the '.org' can be
>> dropped. As you indicate, people talk about 'OpenOffice' not
>> 'OpenOffice.org'.
>>
>
> So long as it remains known as "OpenOffice" I suspect that will work.
>
> It maybe called 'Apache OpenOffice' on the website but 'OpenOffice'
> will be the common usage.
>
> I don't known anyone who says "Apache Hadoop." Lots of folks do say
> "Hadoop."
>
> Hope you are having a great day!
>
> Patrick
>
>
>> Regards.
>>
>>
>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: Alan Lord (News)<al...@gmail.com>
>>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 5:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>>>
>>> On 25/10/11 07:22, Terry wrote:
>>>> I agree that the '.org' can be dropped now. It had to be used
>>>> previously because someone else owns the name 'OpenOffice' but the
>>>> software could now be named something like 'Apache Office'. The
>>>> subject has been mentioned in comments on the blog and in the
>>>> ooo-dev list where the decision will presumably be made.
>>>>
>>> Don't be too hasty to disregard the [probable] hundreds of millions
>>> who know the name "Open Office".
>>>
>>> It always amazes me who has heard of it - when I talk to random
>>> people at parties (non tech) and say I'm in Open Source, invariably
>>> the reply is "Oh, you mean like Open Office?"
>>>
>>> Al
>>>
>>> -- The Open Learning Centre
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This discussion is also on the dev list, and openoffice is srtill the
preferred name.
Peter aka floris v
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Patrick Durusau <pa...@durusau.net>.
Terry,
On 10/25/2011 04:50 AM, Terry wrote:
> Hi, Alan. I know that. 'Apache
> OpenOffice' would be a good name. I just think the '.org' can be
> dropped. As you indicate, people talk about 'OpenOffice' not
> 'OpenOffice.org'.
>
So long as it remains known as "OpenOffice" I suspect that will work.
It maybe called 'Apache OpenOffice' on the website but 'OpenOffice' will
be the common usage.
I don't known anyone who says "Apache Hadoop." Lots of folks do say
"Hadoop."
Hope you are having a great day!
Patrick
> Regards.
>
>
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: Alan Lord (News)<al...@gmail.com>
>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 5:55 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>>
>> On 25/10/11 07:22, Terry wrote:
>>> I agree that the '.org' can be dropped now. It had to be used previously because someone else owns the name 'OpenOffice' but the software could now be named something like 'Apache Office'. The subject has been mentioned in comments on the blog and in the ooo-dev list where the decision will presumably be made.
>>>
>> Don't be too hasty to disregard the [probable] hundreds of millions who know the name "Open Office".
>>
>> It always amazes me who has heard of it - when I talk to random people at parties (non tech) and say I'm in Open Source, invariably the reply is "Oh, you mean like Open Office?"
>>
>> Al
>>
>> -- The Open Learning Centre
>> http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
Hi, Alan. I know that. 'Apache
OpenOffice' would be a good name. I just think the '.org' can be
dropped. As you indicate, people talk about 'OpenOffice' not
'OpenOffice.org'.
Regards.
>________________________________
>From: Alan Lord (News) <al...@gmail.com>
>To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 5:55 PM
>Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>
>On 25/10/11 07:22, Terry wrote:
>> I agree that the '.org' can be dropped now. It had to be used previously because someone else owns the name 'OpenOffice' but the software could now be named something like 'Apache Office'. The subject has been mentioned in comments on the blog and in the ooo-dev list where the decision will presumably be made.
>>
>
>Don't be too hasty to disregard the [probable] hundreds of millions who know the name "Open Office".
>
>It always amazes me who has heard of it - when I talk to random people at parties (non tech) and say I'm in Open Source, invariably the reply is "Oh, you mean like Open Office?"
>
>Al
>
>-- The Open Learning Centre
>http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by "Alan Lord (News)" <al...@gmail.com>.
On 25/10/11 07:22, Terry wrote:
> I agree that the '.org' can be dropped now. It had to be used previously because someone else owns the name 'OpenOffice' but the software could now be named something like 'Apache Office'. The subject has been mentioned in comments on the blog and in the ooo-dev list where the decision will presumably be made.
>
Don't be too hasty to disregard the [probable] hundreds of millions who
know the name "Open Office".
It always amazes me who has heard of it - when I talk to random people
at parties (non tech) and say I'm in Open Source, invariably the reply
is "Oh, you mean like Open Office?"
Al
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http://www.theopenlearningcentre.com
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Terry <we...@yahoo.com.au>.
I agree that the '.org' can be dropped now. It had to be used previously because someone else owns the name 'OpenOffice' but the software could now be named something like 'Apache Office'. The subject has been mentioned in comments on the blog and in the ooo-dev list where the decision will presumably be made.
Regards, Terry
>________________________________
>From: Doug <dm...@optonline.net>
>To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Tuesday, 25 October 2011 3:41 PM
>Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>
>On 10/25/2011 12:26 AM, Doug wrote:
>> On 10/24/2011 11:04 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote:
><snip>
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 10/25/2011 12:26 AM, Doug wrote:
> On 10/24/2011 11:04 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the
>> Apache OOo team in completing the transition of the source code
>> earlier this month. As for my proposal, it stems from one statement
>> made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that "Fundamentally, as
>> a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think
>> it creates a great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand.
>> My proposal has the following provision:
>>
>> - Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and
>> either leave the office suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or
>> "Apache OpenOffice.org 4
>> * The rationale for this provision is the fact that the OOo code
>> will undergo (or has undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the
>> source code to be compliant with the Apache 2.0. licence scheme.
>> * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache
>> will most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice
>> project which will result in a very altered (compared to today's)
>> OpenOffice.org source code.
>> Well that's the basic idea behind proposal and I think the brand
>> refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo project.
>>
>> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>>
>> Michael
> This is probably not the place for the following, but since I don't
> know what is, and you are undoubtedly one of the
> movers and shakers in Apache O, I would like to suggest a couple of
> things:
>
> 1. For Pete's sake, drop that final "o." If there ever was a
> www.OpenOffice.org, it is surely gone by now.
> 2. Incorporate all the visual goodies and selections that Symphony
> offers, so that you really have a
> competitive product to the commercial guys like MS Office.
> 3. Fix Calc so that the blank boxes printed above the normal
> spreadsheet disappear. I can send you a sample if
> you don't know what I'm talking about. Even Symphony has
> the problem. It looks like Libre has fixed it.
>
> Good luck with this. I look forward to using the final product,
> whenever it comes out.
>
> --doug
>
Replying to myself: yes, there actually is an OpenOffice.org. Oh,
well. . . . OOo still looks silly.
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 10/24/2011 11:04 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that "Fundamentally, as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following provision:
>
> - Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4
> * The rationale for this provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the Apache 2.0. licence scheme.
> * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache will most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will result in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code.
> Well that's the basic idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo project.
>
> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>
> Michael
This is probably not the place for the following, but since I don't know
what is, and you are undoubtedly one of the
movers and shakers in Apache O, I would like to suggest a couple of things:
1. For Pete's sake, drop that final "o." If there ever was a
www.OpenOffice.org, it is surely gone by now.
2. Incorporate all the visual goodies and selections that Symphony
offers, so that you really have a
competitive product to the commercial guys like MS Office.
3. Fix Calc so that the blank boxes printed above the normal spreadsheet
disappear. I can send you a sample if
you don't know what I'm talking about. Even Symphony has the
problem. It looks like Libre has fixed it.
Good luck with this. I look forward to using the final product,
whenever it comes out.
--doug
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
Thanks for the proposal and the discussions in this thread. Apache
projects certainly appreciate input from users!
The decision for future product naming has already been brought up on
the ooo-dev@ list a number of times, and I expect in the near future the
PPMC will dive into it for a final name.
Apache does have some product branding requirements published:
http://www.apache.org/foundation/marks/pmcs
Note that we do expect to continue using the openoffice.org domain name
and some of it's services as a user-facing portal of information about
the project as the AOOo podling goes forward, to ensure that users who
know the OpenOffice name can continue to find our project in the future.
Primary development (patches, testing, new features) will primarily be
done based at the future *.apache.org homepage of the project, as
reflects best practices for an Apache project.
- Shane
On 10/24/2011 11:04 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that "Fundamentally, as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following provision:
>
> - Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4
> * The rationale for this provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the Apache 2.0. licence scheme.
> * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache will most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will result in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code.
> Well that's the basic idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo project.
>
> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>
> Michael
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Shane Curcuru <as...@shanecurcuru.org>.
More to the point, we first need the AOOo PPMC on ooo-dev@ or similar to
come up with some specific branding proposals, at which point we can
then take those specific proposals to trademarks@ and/or Legal to get
specific legal feedback on that proposal.
One thing I have learned from participating in various legal issues at
the ASF is that discussion about hypothetical legal questions tends to
be unproductive. It can be amusing sometimes, but rarely productive.
- Shane
On 11/3/2011 6:22 PM, Rob Weir wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Michael Adams<li...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
>> On Friday 28 October 2011 15:56, Michael Acevedo wrote:
>>> My proposal in simple words is either 2 of the following options:
>>>
>>> * Make the first Apache OpenOffice.org release get the 4.0 name as
>>> it is basically a new and mostly rewritten version of the current
>>> OOo source code. or
>>>
>>> * Drop the version number from the Apache OpenOffice.org name.
>>> I think, I will add a third option here, drop the ".org" suffix and
>>> go simply with Apache OpenOffice as the project's name.
>>
>> Undo-able - OpenOffice is a separate company (Dutch from memory), they
>> release the very good Bluefish editor for linux.
>>
>
> I don't see a problem here. If adding ".org" to "OpenOffice" makes it
> unique and something that can be trademarked, then surely adding
> "Apache" in front can as well.
>
> Also, if you look at the Dutch company, they put a space in the name,
> so it is "Open Office".
>
> http://www.openoffice.nl/
>
> -Rob
>
>> Better to avoid further confusion with them and go with "Open Apache
>> Office" or similar. But that was not the issue being discussed.
>> Version numbers was, and it was being discussed on the marketing
>> list.
>>
>> [snip]
>>
>> --
>>
>> Michael
>>
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Nov 3, 2011 at 4:59 PM, Michael Adams <li...@clear.net.nz> wrote:
> On Friday 28 October 2011 15:56, Michael Acevedo wrote:
>> My proposal in simple words is either 2 of the following options:
>>
>> * Make the first Apache OpenOffice.org release get the 4.0 name as
>> it is basically a new and mostly rewritten version of the current
>> OOo source code. or
>>
>> * Drop the version number from the Apache OpenOffice.org name.
>> I think, I will add a third option here, drop the ".org" suffix and
>> go simply with Apache OpenOffice as the project's name.
>
> Undo-able - OpenOffice is a separate company (Dutch from memory), they
> release the very good Bluefish editor for linux.
>
I don't see a problem here. If adding ".org" to "OpenOffice" makes it
unique and something that can be trademarked, then surely adding
"Apache" in front can as well.
Also, if you look at the Dutch company, they put a space in the name,
so it is "Open Office".
http://www.openoffice.nl/
-Rob
> Better to avoid further confusion with them and go with "Open Apache
> Office" or similar. But that was not the issue being discussed.
> Version numbers was, and it was being discussed on the marketing
> list.
>
> [snip]
>
> --
>
> Michael
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Michael Adams <li...@clear.net.nz>.
On Friday 28 October 2011 15:56, Michael Acevedo wrote:
> My proposal in simple words is either 2 of the following options:
>
> * Make the first Apache OpenOffice.org release get the 4.0 name as
> it is basically a new and mostly rewritten version of the current
> OOo source code. or
>
> * Drop the version number from the Apache OpenOffice.org name.
> I think, I will add a third option here, drop the ".org" suffix and
> go simply with Apache OpenOffice as the project's name.
Undo-able - OpenOffice is a separate company (Dutch from memory), they
release the very good Bluefish editor for linux.
Better to avoid further confusion with them and go with "Open Apache
Office" or similar. But that was not the issue being discussed.
Version numbers was, and it was being discussed on the marketing
list.
[snip]
--
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by "David H. Lipman" <DL...@Verizon.Net>.
From: "Michael Acevedo" <ve...@yahoo.com>
> My proposal in simple words is either 2 of the following options:
> * Make the first Apache OpenOffice.org release get the 4.0 name as it is basically a
> new
> and mostly rewritten version of the current OOo source code. or
>
> * Drop the version number from the Apache OpenOffice.org name.
> I think, I will add a third option here, drop the ".org" suffix and go simply with
> Apache
> OpenOffice as the project's name.
> Michael
>
+1
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 10/27/2011 10:56 PM, Michael Acevedo wrote:
> My proposal in simple words is either 2 of the following options:
>
/snip option 1/
> * Drop the version number from the Apache OpenOffice.org name.
> I think, I will add a third option here, drop the ".org" suffix and go simply with Apache OpenOffice as the project's name.
>
> Michael
>
+1
--doug
/snip/
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
Thanks. I don't know about version numbering but I agree that '.org' is no longer needed nor desirable.
Regards, Terry
>________________________________
>From: Michael Acevedo <ve...@yahoo.com>
>To: "ooo-users@incubator.apache.org" <oo...@incubator.apache.org>; Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>
>Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 1:56 PM
>Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>
>My proposal in simple words is either 2 of the following options:
>
> * Make the first Apache OpenOffice.org release get the 4.0 name as it is basically a new and mostly rewritten version of the current OOo source code.
>or
>
> * Drop the version number from the Apache OpenOffice.org name.
>I think, I will add a third option here, drop the ".org" suffix and go simply with Apache OpenOffice as the project's name.
>
>Michael
>
>
>________________________________
>From: Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>
>To: "ooo-users@incubator.apache.org" <oo...@incubator.apache.org>; David H. Lipman <DL...@Verizon.Net>
>Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:52 PM
>Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>
>I do not understand the point Michael made in that email. Is he suggesting that no version number be used?
>
>Terry
>
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>>From: David H. Lipman <DL...@Verizon.Net>
>>To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 1:44 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>>
>>From: "Michael Acevedo" <ve...@yahoo.com>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in
>>> completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it
>>> stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that
>>> "Fundamentally,
>>> as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a
>>> great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following
>>> provision: -
>>> Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office
>>> suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4 * The rationale for
>>> this
>>> provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has
>>> undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the
>>> Apache
>>> 2.0. licence scheme. * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache
>>> will
>>> most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will
>>> result
>>> in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code. Well that's the
>>> basic
>>> idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo
>>> project.
>>> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>>>
>>
>>I agree with all aspects of what Michael suggests and has stated.
>>
>>
>>
>>--
>>Dave
>>Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
>>http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Michael Acevedo <ve...@yahoo.com>.
My proposal in simple words is either 2 of the following options:
* Make the first Apache OpenOffice.org release get the 4.0 name as it is basically a new and mostly rewritten version of the current OOo source code.
or
* Drop the version number from the Apache OpenOffice.org name.
I think, I will add a third option here, drop the ".org" suffix and go simply with Apache OpenOffice as the project's name.
Michael
________________________________
From: Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>
To: "ooo-users@incubator.apache.org" <oo...@incubator.apache.org>; David H. Lipman <DL...@Verizon.Net>
Sent: Thursday, October 27, 2011 5:52 PM
Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
I do not understand the point Michael made in that email. Is he suggesting that no version number be used?
Terry
>________________________________
>From: David H. Lipman <DL...@Verizon.Net>
>To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 1:44 AM
>Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>
>From: "Michael Acevedo" <ve...@yahoo.com>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in
>> completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it
>> stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that
>> "Fundamentally,
>> as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a
>> great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following
>> provision: -
>> Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office
>> suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4 * The rationale for
>> this
>> provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has
>> undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the
>> Apache
>> 2.0. licence scheme. * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache
>> will
>> most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will
>> result
>> in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code. Well that's the
>> basic
>> idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo
>> project.
>> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>>
>
>I agree with all aspects of what Michael suggests and has stated.
>
>
>
>--
>Dave
>Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi Terry,
Sorry, you are having difficulty with ooo-marketing.
On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Terry wrote:
> This is what I attempted twice to post to the marketing list. Someone on that list provided a longish list of OOo urls.
>
> The openoffice.org domains are a jungle.
Most of these extra domains are ones that had been used by people selling OpenOffice. The AOOo project needs to decide which, if any, need to have registration transferred to the ASF.
> Tested links today.
>
> http://www.testopenoffice.org all links here could be placed in a special place on the home page in a section called (for example) 'how you can contribute'. One of the links is http://projects.testopenoffice.org/native-lang.html
This will likely go away.
> http://openoffice2009.com/ "Firefox can't find the server at www.openoffice2009.com"
>
> http://openoffice-gratuit.com/ "Firefox can't find the server at www.openoffice-gratuit.com"
>
> http://openoffice-pt.com/ "Firefox can't find the server at www.openoffice-pt.com"
>
> I shan't test any more pages.
Back in August I tested all of them. Since most of these domains were taken from individuals who were abusing openoffice.org, it looks like nothing was ever done other than shut them down.
A few have actual websites, but only one is truly unique - openoffice.org.il
We've had bigger issues, but eventually we will do something to properly redirect these domains whether they are kept or not. This will come after the openoffice.org website is migrated to the ASF.
> With regard to languages other than English, links to these pages could be placed on the home page and on the download page.
The new openoffice.org is coming together on Apache Infrastructure. More details next week.
Regards,
Dave
>
>
>
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: floris v <fl...@gmail.com>
>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 9:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>>
>> Op 27-10-2011 23:52, Terry schreef:
>>> I do not understand the point Michael made in that email. Is he suggesting that no version number be used?
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: David H. Lipman<DL...@Verizon.Net>
>>>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 1:44 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>>>>
>>>> From: "Michael Acevedo"<ve...@yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in
>>>>> completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it
>>>>> stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that
>>>>> "Fundamentally,
>>>>> as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a
>>>>> great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following
>>>>> provision: -
>>>>> Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office
>>>>> suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4 * The rationale for
>>>>> this
>>>>> provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has
>>>>> undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the
>>>>> Apache
>>>>> 2.0. licence scheme. * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache
>>>>> will
>>>>> most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will
>>>>> result
>>>>> in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code. Well that's the
>>>>> basic
>>>>> idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo
>>>>> project.
>>>>> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>>>>>
>>>> I agree with all aspects of what Michael suggests and has stated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dave
>>>> Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
>>>> http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> With lots of rewriting and going back to old software like myspell any
>> version number seems to me a very dubious affair. You might just as well
>> restart with Apache OOo 1.0. A higher version number suggests, after
>> all, that the developers built on an older version and added stuff and
>> removed bugs. Here the story is very different. It's probably my biggest
>> objection to this rebranding: there are quite a few annoying bugs and
>> shortcomings that have plagued users for years, and instead of tackling
>> those, the developers are discarding stuff that works in favour of old
>> software that may not work quite as well. Really.
>>
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Dave Fisher <da...@comcast.net>.
Hi Terry,
Sorry, you are having difficulty with ooo-marketing.
On Oct 27, 2011, at 7:19 PM, Terry wrote:
> This is what I attempted twice to post to the marketing list. Someone on that list provided a longish list of OOo urls.
>
> The openoffice.org domains are a jungle.
Most of these extra domains are ones that had been used by people selling OpenOffice. The AOOo project needs to decide which, if any, need to have registration transferred to the ASF.
> Tested links today.
>
> http://www.testopenoffice.org all links here could be placed in a special place on the home page in a section called (for example) 'how you can contribute'. One of the links is http://projects.testopenoffice.org/native-lang.html
This will likely go away.
> http://openoffice2009.com/ "Firefox can't find the server at www.openoffice2009.com"
>
> http://openoffice-gratuit.com/ "Firefox can't find the server at www.openoffice-gratuit.com"
>
> http://openoffice-pt.com/ "Firefox can't find the server at www.openoffice-pt.com"
>
> I shan't test any more pages.
Back in August I tested all of them. Since most of these domains were taken from individuals who were abusing openoffice.org, it looks like nothing was ever done other than shut them down.
A few have actual websites, but only one is truly unique - openoffice.org.il
We've had bigger issues, but eventually we will do something to properly redirect these domains whether they are kept or not. This will come after the openoffice.org website is migrated to the ASF.
> With regard to languages other than English, links to these pages could be placed on the home page and on the download page.
The new openoffice.org is coming together on Apache Infrastructure. More details next week.
Regards,
Dave
>
>
>
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: floris v <fl...@gmail.com>
>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 9:38 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>>
>> Op 27-10-2011 23:52, Terry schreef:
>>> I do not understand the point Michael made in that email. Is he suggesting that no version number be used?
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: David H. Lipman<DL...@Verizon.Net>
>>>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 1:44 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>>>>
>>>> From: "Michael Acevedo"<ve...@yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in
>>>>> completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it
>>>>> stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that
>>>>> "Fundamentally,
>>>>> as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a
>>>>> great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following
>>>>> provision: -
>>>>> Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office
>>>>> suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4 * The rationale for
>>>>> this
>>>>> provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has
>>>>> undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the
>>>>> Apache
>>>>> 2.0. licence scheme. * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache
>>>>> will
>>>>> most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will
>>>>> result
>>>>> in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code. Well that's the
>>>>> basic
>>>>> idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo
>>>>> project.
>>>>> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>>>>>
>>>> I agree with all aspects of what Michael suggests and has stated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dave
>>>> Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
>>>> http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
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>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>> With lots of rewriting and going back to old software like myspell any
>> version number seems to me a very dubious affair. You might just as well
>> restart with Apache OOo 1.0. A higher version number suggests, after
>> all, that the developers built on an older version and added stuff and
>> removed bugs. Here the story is very different. It's probably my biggest
>> objection to this rebranding: there are quite a few annoying bugs and
>> shortcomings that have plagued users for years, and instead of tackling
>> those, the developers are discarding stuff that works in favour of old
>> software that may not work quite as well. Really.
>>
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>>
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
This is what I attempted twice to post to the marketing list. Someone on that list provided a longish list of OOo urls.
The openoffice.org domains are a jungle.
Tested links today.
http://www.testopenoffice.org all links here could be placed in a special place on the home page in a section called (for example) 'how you can contribute'. One of the links is http://projects.testopenoffice.org/native-lang.html
http://openoffice2009.com/ "Firefox can't find the server at www.openoffice2009.com"
http://openoffice-gratuit.com/ "Firefox can't find the server at www.openoffice-gratuit.com"
http://openoffice-pt.com/ "Firefox can't find the server at www.openoffice-pt.com"
I shan't test any more pages.
With regard to languages other than English, links to these pages could be placed on the home page and on the download page.
>________________________________
>From: floris v <fl...@gmail.com>
>To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 9:38 AM
>Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>
>Op 27-10-2011 23:52, Terry schreef:
>> I do not understand the point Michael made in that email. Is he suggesting that no version number be used?
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: David H. Lipman<DL...@Verizon.Net>
>>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>> Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 1:44 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>>>
>>> From: "Michael Acevedo"<ve...@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in
>>>> completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it
>>>> stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that
>>>> "Fundamentally,
>>>> as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a
>>>> great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following
>>>> provision: -
>>>> Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office
>>>> suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4 * The rationale for
>>>> this
>>>> provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has
>>>> undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the
>>>> Apache
>>>> 2.0. licence scheme. * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache
>>>> will
>>>> most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will
>>>> result
>>>> in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code. Well that's the
>>>> basic
>>>> idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo
>>>> project.
>>>> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>>>>
>>> I agree with all aspects of what Michael suggests and has stated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave
>>> Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
>>> http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>With lots of rewriting and going back to old software like myspell any
>version number seems to me a very dubious affair. You might just as well
>restart with Apache OOo 1.0. A higher version number suggests, after
>all, that the developers built on an older version and added stuff and
>removed bugs. Here the story is very different. It's probably my biggest
>objection to this rebranding: there are quite a few annoying bugs and
>shortcomings that have plagued users for years, and instead of tackling
>those, the developers are discarding stuff that works in favour of old
>software that may not work quite as well. Really.
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
The only list I could find on gmane is ooo-dev and I couldn't get the old threaded view. From memory, I had to move through the list one message at a time. The marketing list exists, however.
Regards, Terry
>________________________________
>From: David H. Lipman <DL...@Verizon.Net>
>To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 2:37 PM
>Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>
>From: "Terry" <te...@yahoo.com.au>
>
>> Hi, floris
>>
>>
>> I mistook David's email as one on the marketing mail list. The topic of re-branding is
>> being discussed there. I was about to suggest people subscribe to that list but I
>> noticed
>> while composing this reply that an email I sent to the list has just been bounced. If
>> you
>> want to subscribe notwithstanding, the address to subscribe is
>> ooo-marketing-subscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> Regards, Terry
>>
>> P.S. I forwarded the mailer-daemon email to the marketing list's owner and that also
>> has
>> now bounced.
>>
>>
>
>I don't see a ooo marketing group on GMane.
>
>
>
>--
>Dave
>Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
>http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
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>
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
----- Original Message -----
> From: David H. Lipman <DL...@Verizon.Net>
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Cc:
> Sent: Saturday, 29 October 2011 11:43 AM
> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>
> From: "Reizinger Zoltán" <zr...@hdsnet.hu>
>
>> 2011.10.28. 5:37 keltezéssel, David H. Lipman írta:
>>> From: "Terry"<te...@yahoo.com.au>
>>>
>>>> Hi, floris
>>>>
>>>> I mistook David's email as one on the marketing mail list. The
> topic of re-branding is being discussed there. <snip> If you
>>>> want to subscribe notwithstanding, the address to subscribe is
>>>> ooo-marketing-subscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Regards, Terry
>>>>
<snip>
>>>>
>>> I don't see a ooo marketing group on GMane.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> It is not archived in gmane, only in apche and markmail, see:
> http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
>>
>
> Then the suggestions can stay HERE.
>
> --
> Dave
> Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
> http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
>
>
Just to let you know that the bouncing problem has been overcome.
Regards, Terry
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by "David H. Lipman" <DL...@Verizon.Net>.
From: "Reizinger Zolt�n" <zr...@hdsnet.hu>
> 2011.10.28. 5:37 keltez�ssel, David H. Lipman �rta:
>> From: "Terry"<te...@yahoo.com.au>
>>
>>> Hi, floris
>>>
>>>
>>> I mistook David's email as one on the marketing mail list. The topic of re-branding
>>> is
>>> being discussed there. I was about to suggest people subscribe to that list but I
>>> noticed
>>> while composing this reply that an email I sent to the list has just been bounced. If
>>> you
>>> want to subscribe notwithstanding, the address to subscribe is
>>> ooo-marketing-subscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>> Regards, Terry
>>>
>>> P.S. I forwarded the mailer-daemon email to the marketing list's owner and that also
>>> has
>>> now bounced.
>>>
>>>
>> I don't see a ooo marketing group on GMane.
>>
>>
>>
> It is not archived in gmane, only in apche and markmail, see: http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
>
Then the suggestions can stay HERE.
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Reizinger Zoltán <zr...@hdsnet.hu>.
2011.10.28. 5:37 keltezéssel, David H. Lipman írta:
> From: "Terry"<te...@yahoo.com.au>
>
>> Hi, floris
>>
>>
>> I mistook David's email as one on the marketing mail list. The topic of re-branding is
>> being discussed there. I was about to suggest people subscribe to that list but I
>> noticed
>> while composing this reply that an email I sent to the list has just been bounced. If
>> you
>> want to subscribe notwithstanding, the address to subscribe is
>> ooo-marketing-subscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> Regards, Terry
>>
>> P.S. I forwarded the mailer-daemon email to the marketing list's owner and that also
>> has
>> now bounced.
>>
>>
> I don't see a ooo marketing group on GMane.
>
>
>
It is not archived in gmane, only in apche and markmail, see:
http://incubator.apache.org/openofficeorg/mailing-lists.html
Zoltan
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by "David H. Lipman" <DL...@Verizon.Net>.
From: "Terry" <te...@yahoo.com.au>
> Hi, floris
>
>
> I mistook David's email as one on the marketing mail list. The topic of re-branding is
> being discussed there. I was about to suggest people subscribe to that list but I
> noticed
> while composing this reply that an email I sent to the list has just been bounced. If
> you
> want to subscribe notwithstanding, the address to subscribe is
> ooo-marketing-subscribe@incubator.apache.org
> Regards, Terry
>
> P.S. I forwarded the mailer-daemon email to the marketing list's owner and that also
> has
> now bounced.
>
>
I don't see a ooo marketing group on GMane.
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
Thanks, Rob. Yes, I was able to send yesterday but messages are being bounced today.Regards, Terry
P.S. Sorry about emailing you personally. That should not have happened and I don't know why it did.
>________________________________
>From: Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>
>To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org; Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>
>Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 10:49 AM
>Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>
>On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
>> Hi, floris
>>
>>
>> I mistook David's email as one on the marketing mail list. The topic of re-branding is being discussed there. I was about to suggest people subscribe to that list but I noticed while composing this reply that an email I sent to the list has just been bounced. If you want to subscribe notwithstanding, the address to subscribe is ooo-marketing-subscribe@incubator.apache.org
>>
>> Regards, Terry
>>
>> P.S. I forwarded the mailer-daemon email to the marketing list's owner and that also has now bounced.
>>
>
>Terry, you are subscribed to the ooo-marketing list. I see a post
>by you from yesterday. So something is working. Make sure you are
>posting to ooo-marketing@incubator@apache.org
>
>-Rob
>
>>
>>
>>
>>>________________________________
>>>From: floris v <fl...@gmail.com>
>>>To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>>Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 9:38 AM
>>>Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>>>
>>>Op 27-10-2011 23:52, Terry schreef:
>>>> I do not understand the point Michael made in that email. Is he suggesting that no version number be used?
>>>>
>>>> Terry
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> ________________________________
>>>>> From: David H. Lipman<DL...@Verizon.Net>
>>>>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>>>> Sent: Friday, 28 October
>> 2011 1:44 AM
>>>>> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>>>>>
>>>>> From: "Michael Acevedo"<ve...@yahoo.com>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in
>>>>>> completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it
>>>>>> stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that
>>>>>> "Fundamentally,
>>>>>> as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a
>>>>>> great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following
>>>>>> provision: -
>>>>>> Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office
>>>>>>
>> suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4 * The rationale for
>>>>>> this
>>>>>> provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has
>>>>>> undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the
>>>>>> Apache
>>>>>> 2.0. licence scheme. * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache
>>>>>> will
>>>>>> most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will
>>>>>> result
>>>>>> in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code. Well that's the
>>>>>> basic
>>>>>> idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo
>>>>>> project.
>>>>>> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>>>>>>
>>>>> I agree with all aspects of what Michael suggests and has
>> stated.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Dave
>>><snip>
>>>>>
>>>With lots of rewriting and going back to old
>> software like myspell any
>>>version number seems to me a very dubious affair. You might just as well
>>>restart with Apache OOo 1.0. A higher version number suggests, after
>>>all, that the developers built on an older version and added stuff and
>>>removed bugs. Here the story is very different. It's probably my biggest
>>>objection to this rebranding: there are quite a few annoying bugs and
>>>shortcomings that have plagued users for years, and instead of tackling
>>>those, the developers are discarding stuff that works in favour of old
>>>software that may not work quite as well. Really.
>>>
>>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>
>>>
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 7:41 PM, Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au> wrote:
> Hi, floris
>
>
> I mistook David's email as one on the marketing mail list. The topic of re-branding is being discussed there. I was about to suggest people subscribe to that list but I noticed while composing this reply that an email I sent to the list has just been bounced. If you want to subscribe notwithstanding, the address to subscribe is ooo-marketing-subscribe@incubator.apache.org
>
> Regards, Terry
>
> P.S. I forwarded the mailer-daemon email to the marketing list's owner and that also has now bounced.
>
Terry, you are subscribed to the ooo-marketing list. I see a post
by you from yesterday. So something is working. Make sure you are
posting to ooo-marketing@incubator@apache.org
-Rob
>
>
>
>>________________________________
>>From: floris v <fl...@gmail.com>
>>To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 9:38 AM
>>Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>>
>>Op 27-10-2011 23:52, Terry schreef:
>>> I do not understand the point Michael made in that email. Is he suggesting that no version number be used?
>>>
>>> Terry
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> ________________________________
>>>> From: David H. Lipman<DL...@Verizon.Net>
>>>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>>> Sent: Friday, 28 October
> 2011 1:44 AM
>>>> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>>>>
>>>> From: "Michael Acevedo"<ve...@yahoo.com>
>>>>
>>>>> Hi,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in
>>>>> completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it
>>>>> stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that
>>>>> "Fundamentally,
>>>>> as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a
>>>>> great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following
>>>>> provision: -
>>>>> Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office
>>>>>
> suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4 * The rationale for
>>>>> this
>>>>> provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has
>>>>> undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the
>>>>> Apache
>>>>> 2.0. licence scheme. * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache
>>>>> will
>>>>> most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will
>>>>> result
>>>>> in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code. Well that's the
>>>>> basic
>>>>> idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo
>>>>> project.
>>>>> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>>>>>
>>>> I agree with all aspects of what Michael suggests and has
> stated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> Dave
>><snip>
>>>>
>>With lots of rewriting and going back to old
> software like myspell any
>>version number seems to me a very dubious affair. You might just as well
>>restart with Apache OOo 1.0. A higher version number suggests, after
>>all, that the developers built on an older version and added stuff and
>>removed bugs. Here the story is very different. It's probably my biggest
>>objection to this rebranding: there are quite a few annoying bugs and
>>shortcomings that have plagued users for years, and instead of tackling
>>those, the developers are discarding stuff that works in favour of old
>>software that may not work quite as well. Really.
>>
>>---------------------------------------------------------------------
>><snip>
>>
>>
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
Hi, floris
I mistook David's email as one on the marketing mail list. The topic of re-branding is being discussed there. I was about to suggest people subscribe to that list but I noticed while composing this reply that an email I sent to the list has just been bounced. If you want to subscribe notwithstanding, the address to subscribe is ooo-marketing-subscribe@incubator.apache.org
Regards, Terry
P.S. I forwarded the mailer-daemon email to the marketing list's owner and that also has now bounced.
>________________________________
>From: floris v <fl...@gmail.com>
>To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 9:38 AM
>Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>
>Op 27-10-2011 23:52, Terry schreef:
>> I do not understand the point Michael made in that email. Is he suggesting that no version number be used?
>>
>> Terry
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> ________________________________
>>> From: David H. Lipman<DL...@Verizon.Net>
>>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>>> Sent: Friday, 28 October
2011 1:44 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>>>
>>> From: "Michael Acevedo"<ve...@yahoo.com>
>>>
>>>> Hi,
>>>>
>>>> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in
>>>> completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it
>>>> stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that
>>>> "Fundamentally,
>>>> as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a
>>>> great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following
>>>> provision: -
>>>> Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office
>>>>
suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4 * The rationale for
>>>> this
>>>> provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has
>>>> undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the
>>>> Apache
>>>> 2.0. licence scheme. * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache
>>>> will
>>>> most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will
>>>> result
>>>> in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code. Well that's the
>>>> basic
>>>> idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo
>>>> project.
>>>> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>>>>
>>> I agree with all aspects of what Michael suggests and has
stated.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dave
><snip>
>>>
>With lots of rewriting and going back to old
software like myspell any
>version number seems to me a very dubious affair. You might just as well
>restart with Apache OOo 1.0. A higher version number suggests, after
>all, that the developers built on an older version and added stuff and
>removed bugs. Here the story is very different. It's probably my biggest
>objection to this rebranding: there are quite a few annoying bugs and
>shortcomings that have plagued users for years, and instead of tackling
>those, the developers are discarding stuff that works in favour of old
>software that may not work quite as well. Really.
>
>---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>
>
Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by floris v <fl...@gmail.com>.
Op 27-10-2011 23:52, Terry schreef:
> I do not understand the point Michael made in that email. Is he suggesting that no version number be used?
>
> Terry
>
>
>
>
>> ________________________________
>> From: David H. Lipman<DL...@Verizon.Net>
>> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>> Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 1:44 AM
>> Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>>
>> From: "Michael Acevedo"<ve...@yahoo.com>
>>
>>> Hi,
>>>
>>> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in
>>> completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it
>>> stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that
>>> "Fundamentally,
>>> as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a
>>> great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following
>>> provision: -
>>> Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office
>>> suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4 * The rationale for
>>> this
>>> provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has
>>> undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the
>>> Apache
>>> 2.0. licence scheme. * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache
>>> will
>>> most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will
>>> result
>>> in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code. Well that's the
>>> basic
>>> idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo
>>> project.
>>> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>>>
>> I agree with all aspects of what Michael suggests and has stated.
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Dave
>> Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
>> http://www.pctipp.ch/downloads/dl/35905.asp
>>
>>
>>
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>>
With lots of rewriting and going back to old software like myspell any
version number seems to me a very dubious affair. You might just as well
restart with Apache OOo 1.0. A higher version number suggests, after
all, that the developers built on an older version and added stuff and
removed bugs. Here the story is very different. It's probably my biggest
objection to this rebranding: there are quite a few annoying bugs and
shortcomings that have plagued users for years, and instead of tackling
those, the developers are discarding stuff that works in favour of old
software that may not work quite as well. Really.
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Terry <te...@yahoo.com.au>.
I do not understand the point Michael made in that email. Is he suggesting that no version number be used?
Terry
>________________________________
>From: David H. Lipman <DL...@Verizon.Net>
>To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>Sent: Friday, 28 October 2011 1:44 AM
>Subject: Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
>
>From: "Michael Acevedo" <ve...@yahoo.com>
>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in
>> completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it
>> stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that
>> "Fundamentally,
>> as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a
>> great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following
>> provision: -
>> Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office
>> suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4 * The rationale for
>> this
>> provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has
>> undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the
>> Apache
>> 2.0. licence scheme. * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache
>> will
>> most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will
>> result
>> in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code. Well that's the
>> basic
>> idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo
>> project.
>> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>>
>
>I agree with all aspects of what Michael suggests and has stated.
>
>
>
>--
>Dave
>Multi-AV Scanning Tool - http://multi-av.thespykiller.co.uk
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>
>
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by "David H. Lipman" <DL...@Verizon.Net>.
From: "Michael Acevedo" <ve...@yahoo.com>
> Hi,
>
> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in
> completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it
> stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that
> "Fundamentally,
> as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a
> great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following
> provision: -
> Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office
> suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4 * The rationale for
> this
> provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has
> undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the
> Apache
> 2.0. licence scheme. * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache
> will
> most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will
> result
> in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code. Well that's the
> basic
> idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo
> project.
> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>
I agree with all aspects of what Michael suggests and has stated.
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
Sorry, a typo in the address. It should be:
ooo-marketing-subscribe@incubator.apache.org
-Rob
On Thu, Oct 27, 2011 at 10:50 AM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
> A quick announcement: We just created yesterday a new marketing
> mailing list for the project. They are also discussing the AOOo
> branding issues there. If you have an interest in the topic, and
> related marketing topics, I invite you to join that list, where you
> would be most welcome.
>
> To join, send an email to:
> ooo-marketing-subcribe@incubator.apache.org. You will receive a
> confirmation email which you will then need to respond to.
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
> On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Michael Acevedo <ve...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Hi,
>>
>> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that "Fundamentally, as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following provision:
>>
>> - Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4
>> * The rationale for this provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the Apache 2.0. licence scheme.
>> * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache will most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will result in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code.
>> Well that's the basic idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo project.
>>
>> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>>
>> Michael
>
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Re: [Proposal] Change in Apache OpenOffice.org Branding...
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
A quick announcement: We just created yesterday a new marketing
mailing list for the project. They are also discussing the AOOo
branding issues there. If you have an interest in the topic, and
related marketing topics, I invite you to join that list, where you
would be most welcome.
To join, send an email to:
ooo-marketing-subcribe@incubator.apache.org. You will receive a
confirmation email which you will then need to respond to.
Regards,
-Rob
On Mon, Oct 24, 2011 at 11:04 PM, Michael Acevedo <ve...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been reading the OOo forum and first let me congratulate the Apache OOo team in completing the transition of the source code earlier this month. As for my proposal, it stems from one statement made in the OpenOffice.org Forums indicating that "Fundamentally, as a project "OpenOffice.org" is done." If the following is true I think it creates a great opportunity to refresh the OpenOffice.org brand. My proposal has the following provision:
>
> - Drop the "3" or "3.4" suffix from the OpenOffice.org name and either leave the office suite name as "Apache OpenOffice.org" or "Apache OpenOffice.org 4
> * The rationale for this provision is the fact that the OOo code will undergo (or has undergone substantial rewriting) to allow the source code to be compliant with the Apache 2.0. licence scheme.
> * Furthermore, IBM's decision to donate Lotus Symphony to Apache will most likely result in a "code merger" with the Apache OpenOffice project which will result in a very altered (compared to today's) OpenOffice.org source code.
> Well that's the basic idea behind proposal and I think the brand refresh will be beneficial for the Apache OOo project.
>
> Again, thank you for your time and keep up the good work!
>
> Michael
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