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Posted to dev@empire-db.apache.org by Rainer Döbele <do...@esteam.de> on 2009/02/15 22:00:47 UTC
again Maven
Hi Francis,
first of all I am astonished that you always reply within minutes.
I hope that sitting in front of your computer answering my (stupid) questions is not your only activity in life.
If so, let me tell you that there is more to life than computers and that you should sometimes really go out and have a beer or two :-)
Back to business.
1. The MANIFEST.MF does not seem to get recreated, so forget about it for now.
2. IMO the config.xml should always be in the file system. It makes no sense to hide it inside a jar. I think even logically it belongs exactly where the readme.txt and the tutorial.pdf belong. And there is no doubt that we must be able to debug the app without fiddling around with program arguments. And besides that I always plead for "comfort over convention".
3. Thanks for the mvnrepository link. I tried so hard but could not find it on the Maven site (http://maven.apache.org). Strange isn't it?
One more question for you though.
I want to debug the HSQLDB JDBC driver code.
So in Eclipse I opened the "Maven dependencies" node, right-clicked on hsqldb-1.8.0.7 and picked Maven->Download sources.
Unfortunately nothing happened (not even an error message).
How can I obtain the sources for HSQLDB-1.8.0.7?
Regards,
Rainer
Re: [VOTE] Merge SVN Maven branch with trunk
Posted by Francis De Brabandere <fr...@gmail.com>.
+1 (am I allowed to vote?)
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:43 PM, Rainer Döbele <do...@esteam.de> wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> Through the great work of Francis we now have reorganized the project in a Maven style project structure. However all modifications have been made on a branch which we not intend to merge with the trunk.
>
> Please let us know within the usual 72 hours whether you agree with this transaction.
>
> here is my +1
>
> Rainer
>
--
http://www.somatik.be
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re: again Maven
Posted by Rainer Döbele <do...@esteam.de>.
Hi Francis
Don't worry. I don't think there are many (if any) changes in the trunk that aren't already in the maven branch.
I am waiting with some of my changes until the branches have been merged.
New features will be added later on.
We need to check what's different of course, but I don't see many problems.
The problems will come when we decide to make an official release, since this has to be accepted by the mentors and the incubator PMC. They will particularly take a close look on all the legal issues such as Apache disclaimers in all files etc.
Francis De Brabandere wrote:
> Re: again Maven
>
> do you have a lot of changes? as I don't see me doing a real merge but
> just moving stuff around in trunk the same way they are in the branch
> + copying over the extra pom files, unit tests and stuff
>
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Rainer Döbele <do...@esteam.de>
> wrote:
> > Hi Francis,
> >
> > What? You're working on other projects? Shame on you! :-)
> >
> > Since the sources of hsqldb 1.8.0.7 don't seem to be avaiable
> anywhere I will probably to with 1.8.0.1.
> >
> > We should go ahead merging the branches now, then I can to my
> modifications on the trunk again.
> >
> > Although I am not sure whether we have to, I will do it the Apache
> way and call for a vote.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rainer
> >
> >
> > Francis De Brabandere wrote:
> >> Re: again Maven
> >>
> >> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Rainer Döbele <do...@esteam.de>
> wrote:
> >> > Hi Francis,
> >> >
> >> > first of all I am astonished that you always reply within minutes.
> >> > I hope that sitting in front of your computer answering my
> (stupid) questions is not your only activity in > life.
> >> > If so, let me tell you that there is more to life than computers
> and that you should sometimes really go out > and have a beer or two :-
> )
> >>
> >> hehe, I've had my part of beer drinking this weekend :-) don't worry
> >> it's just that I'm working on an other project of mine and I happen
> to
> >> be at my desk right now...
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Back to business.
> >> > 1. The MANIFEST.MF does not seem to get recreated, so forget about
> it for now.
> >> > 2. IMO the config.xml should always be in the file system. It
> makes no sense to hide it inside a jar. I > think even logically it
> belongs exactly where the readme.txt and the tutorial.pdf belong. And
> there is no doubt > that we must be able to debug the app without
> fiddling around with program arguments. And besides that I > always
> plead for "comfort over convention".
> >>
> >> well I understand your view on the subject. I'll put it in the
> module
> >> root when we move to maven layout
> >>
> >> > 3. Thanks for the mvnrepository link. I tried so hard but could
> not find it on the Maven site > (http://maven.apache.org). Strange
> isn't it?
> >> >
> >>
> >> there are other sites to find artifacts but that one is best, it
> tends
> >> to go down from time to time though
> >>
> >> > One more question for you though.
> >> > I want to debug the HSQLDB JDBC driver code.
> >> > So in Eclipse I opened the "Maven dependencies" node, right-
> clicked on hsqldb-1.8.0.7 and picked Maven-> >Download sources.
> >> > Unfortunately nothing happened (not even an error message).
> >> > How can I obtain the sources for HSQLDB-1.8.0.7?
> >>
> >> not all artifacts have sources/javadoc available in the central
> repo,
> >> you can just download them from the site of the project and attach
> >> them to the lib as you do normally in eclipse
> >>
> >> or you can browse the repo and look for a version that has sources
> >> like this one:
> >> http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/maven2/hsqldb/hsqldb/1.8.0.1/
> >>
> >> >
> >> > Regards,
> >> > Rainer
> >> >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> http://www.somatik.be
> Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house.
Re: again Maven
Posted by Francis De Brabandere <fr...@gmail.com>.
do you have a lot of changes? as I don't see me doing a real merge but
just moving stuff around in trunk the same way they are in the branch
+ copying over the extra pom files, unit tests and stuff
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:36 PM, Rainer Döbele <do...@esteam.de> wrote:
> Hi Francis,
>
> What? You're working on other projects? Shame on you! :-)
>
> Since the sources of hsqldb 1.8.0.7 don't seem to be avaiable anywhere I will probably to with 1.8.0.1.
>
> We should go ahead merging the branches now, then I can to my modifications on the trunk again.
>
> Although I am not sure whether we have to, I will do it the Apache way and call for a vote.
>
> Regards,
> Rainer
>
>
> Francis De Brabandere wrote:
>> Re: again Maven
>>
>> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Rainer Döbele <do...@esteam.de> wrote:
>> > Hi Francis,
>> >
>> > first of all I am astonished that you always reply within minutes.
>> > I hope that sitting in front of your computer answering my (stupid) questions is not your only activity in > life.
>> > If so, let me tell you that there is more to life than computers and that you should sometimes really go out > and have a beer or two :-)
>>
>> hehe, I've had my part of beer drinking this weekend :-) don't worry
>> it's just that I'm working on an other project of mine and I happen to
>> be at my desk right now...
>>
>> >
>> > Back to business.
>> > 1. The MANIFEST.MF does not seem to get recreated, so forget about it for now.
>> > 2. IMO the config.xml should always be in the file system. It makes no sense to hide it inside a jar. I > think even logically it belongs exactly where the readme.txt and the tutorial.pdf belong. And there is no doubt > that we must be able to debug the app without fiddling around with program arguments. And besides that I > always plead for "comfort over convention".
>>
>> well I understand your view on the subject. I'll put it in the module
>> root when we move to maven layout
>>
>> > 3. Thanks for the mvnrepository link. I tried so hard but could not find it on the Maven site > (http://maven.apache.org). Strange isn't it?
>> >
>>
>> there are other sites to find artifacts but that one is best, it tends
>> to go down from time to time though
>>
>> > One more question for you though.
>> > I want to debug the HSQLDB JDBC driver code.
>> > So in Eclipse I opened the "Maven dependencies" node, right-clicked on hsqldb-1.8.0.7 and picked Maven-> >Download sources.
>> > Unfortunately nothing happened (not even an error message).
>> > How can I obtain the sources for HSQLDB-1.8.0.7?
>>
>> not all artifacts have sources/javadoc available in the central repo,
>> you can just download them from the site of the project and attach
>> them to the lib as you do normally in eclipse
>>
>> or you can browse the repo and look for a version that has sources
>> like this one:
>> http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/maven2/hsqldb/hsqldb/1.8.0.1/
>>
>> >
>> > Regards,
>> > Rainer
>> >
>
--
http://www.somatik.be
Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house.
Re: [VOTE] Merge SVN Maven branch with trunk
Posted by Henning Schmiedehausen <he...@apache.org>.
Just to make things clear: This is a vote about a development issue, so
it should be run on the dev list, no need to cc private.
I have to admit that I don't understand the vote subject. Should that be
"... which we *NOW* intend to merge..." ?
Ciao
Henning
On Sun, 2009-02-15 at 22:43 +0100, Rainer Döbele wrote:
> Hi everyone
>
> Through the great work of Francis we now have reorganized the project in a Maven style project structure. However all modifications have been made on a branch which we not intend to merge with the trunk.
>
> Please let us know within the usual 72 hours whether you agree with this transaction.
>
> here is my +1
>
> Rainer
[VOTE] [RESULT] Merge SVN Maven branch with trunk
Posted by Rainer Döbele <do...@esteam.de>.
Hello everyone,
The [VOTE] is now closed. The [VOTE] to merge SVN Maven branch with trunk is successful.
There are two +1 votes, no 0 or -1.
Since lazy consensus applies, the transaction has been approved.
Rainer
Re: [VOTE] Merge SVN Maven branch with trunk
Posted by Francis De Brabandere <fr...@gmail.com>.
shall we conclude this vote?
On Mon, Feb 16, 2009 at 3:11 PM, Thomas Fischer <fi...@seitenbau.net> wrote:
>> Furthermore my intention was that lazy consensus applies i.e. if
>> there are no objections within 72 hours we will perform the change.
>> Do I have to point that our more clearly?
>
> IMHO it makes sense to state it clearly if one intends lazy consensus. It
> does not hurt and avoids uncertainty.
>
> Thomas
--
http://www.somatik.be
Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house.
RE: [VOTE] Merge SVN Maven branch with trunk
Posted by Thomas Fischer <fi...@seitenbau.net>.
> Furthermore my intention was that lazy consensus applies i.e. if
> there are no objections within 72 hours we will perform the change.
> Do I have to point that our more clearly?
IMHO it makes sense to state it clearly if one intends lazy consensus. It
does not hurt and avoids uncertainty.
Thomas
Fwd: [VOTE] Merge SVN Maven branch with trunk
Posted by Rainer Döbele <do...@esteam.de>.
Hello everybody,
first I have to apologize for this very bad typo that you hopefully all recognized:
Instead of "... which we not intend to merge"
it should be "... which we now intend to merge".
Shame on me - this is a really nasty one.
Although it is (only) a dev issue I posted it on the private list too - just to make sure everyone is informed. I thought this would be a good idea. Sorry for that Henning.
Furthermore my intention was that lazy consensus applies i.e. if there are no objections within 72 hours we will perform the change. Do I have to point that our more clearly?
And yes Francis, you are allowed to vote.
Regards
Rainer
> Hi everyone
>
> Through the great work of Francis we now have reorganized the project in a Maven style project structure. However all > modifications have been made on a branch which we not intend to merge with the trunk.
>
> Please let us know within the usual 72 hours whether you agree with this transaction.
>
> here is my +1
>
> Rainer
[VOTE] Merge SVN Maven branch with trunk
Posted by Rainer Döbele <do...@esteam.de>.
Hi everyone
Through the great work of Francis we now have reorganized the project in a Maven style project structure. However all modifications have been made on a branch which we not intend to merge with the trunk.
Please let us know within the usual 72 hours whether you agree with this transaction.
here is my +1
Rainer
Voting on important changes [was: Re: again Maven]
Posted by Thomas Fischer <fi...@seitenbau.net>.
> We should go ahead merging the branches now, then I can to my
> modifications on the trunk again.
>
> Although I am not sure whether we have to, I will do it the Apache way
and call for a vote.
>From my personal understanding, voting on this is no must but I'd consider
it bad style if one incorporates important changes without announcing them
beforehand.
Personally, I prefer lazy consensus, e.g. like "I intend to merge the XXX
branch with the trunk, please object within 72 hours if you see any
problems", but this might be personal style and depends also on the size
and style of the community.
Regards,
Thomas
re: again Maven
Posted by Rainer Döbele <do...@esteam.de>.
Hi Francis,
What? You're working on other projects? Shame on you! :-)
Since the sources of hsqldb 1.8.0.7 don't seem to be avaiable anywhere I will probably to with 1.8.0.1.
We should go ahead merging the branches now, then I can to my modifications on the trunk again.
Although I am not sure whether we have to, I will do it the Apache way and call for a vote.
Regards,
Rainer
Francis De Brabandere wrote:
> Re: again Maven
>
> On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Rainer Döbele <do...@esteam.de> wrote:
> > Hi Francis,
> >
> > first of all I am astonished that you always reply within minutes.
> > I hope that sitting in front of your computer answering my (stupid) questions is not your only activity in > life.
> > If so, let me tell you that there is more to life than computers and that you should sometimes really go out > and have a beer or two :-)
>
> hehe, I've had my part of beer drinking this weekend :-) don't worry
> it's just that I'm working on an other project of mine and I happen to
> be at my desk right now...
>
> >
> > Back to business.
> > 1. The MANIFEST.MF does not seem to get recreated, so forget about it for now.
> > 2. IMO the config.xml should always be in the file system. It makes no sense to hide it inside a jar. I > think even logically it belongs exactly where the readme.txt and the tutorial.pdf belong. And there is no doubt > that we must be able to debug the app without fiddling around with program arguments. And besides that I > always plead for "comfort over convention".
>
> well I understand your view on the subject. I'll put it in the module
> root when we move to maven layout
>
> > 3. Thanks for the mvnrepository link. I tried so hard but could not find it on the Maven site > (http://maven.apache.org). Strange isn't it?
> >
>
> there are other sites to find artifacts but that one is best, it tends
> to go down from time to time though
>
> > One more question for you though.
> > I want to debug the HSQLDB JDBC driver code.
> > So in Eclipse I opened the "Maven dependencies" node, right-clicked on hsqldb-1.8.0.7 and picked Maven-> >Download sources.
> > Unfortunately nothing happened (not even an error message).
> > How can I obtain the sources for HSQLDB-1.8.0.7?
>
> not all artifacts have sources/javadoc available in the central repo,
> you can just download them from the site of the project and attach
> them to the lib as you do normally in eclipse
>
> or you can browse the repo and look for a version that has sources
> like this one:
> http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/maven2/hsqldb/hsqldb/1.8.0.1/
>
> >
> > Regards,
> > Rainer
> >
Re: again Maven
Posted by Francis De Brabandere <fr...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Feb 15, 2009 at 10:00 PM, Rainer Döbele <do...@esteam.de> wrote:
> Hi Francis,
>
> first of all I am astonished that you always reply within minutes.
> I hope that sitting in front of your computer answering my (stupid) questions is not your only activity in life.
> If so, let me tell you that there is more to life than computers and that you should sometimes really go out and have a beer or two :-)
hehe, I've had my part of beer drinking this weekend :-) don't worry
it's just that I'm working on an other project of mine and I happen to
be at my desk right now...
>
> Back to business.
> 1. The MANIFEST.MF does not seem to get recreated, so forget about it for now.
> 2. IMO the config.xml should always be in the file system. It makes no sense to hide it inside a jar. I think even logically it belongs exactly where the readme.txt and the tutorial.pdf belong. And there is no doubt that we must be able to debug the app without fiddling around with program arguments. And besides that I always plead for "comfort over convention".
well I understand your view on the subject. I'll put it in the module
root when we move to maven layout
> 3. Thanks for the mvnrepository link. I tried so hard but could not find it on the Maven site (http://maven.apache.org). Strange isn't it?
>
there are other sites to find artifacts but that one is best, it tends
to go down from time to time though
> One more question for you though.
> I want to debug the HSQLDB JDBC driver code.
> So in Eclipse I opened the "Maven dependencies" node, right-clicked on hsqldb-1.8.0.7 and picked Maven->Download sources.
> Unfortunately nothing happened (not even an error message).
> How can I obtain the sources for HSQLDB-1.8.0.7?
not all artifacts have sources/javadoc available in the central repo,
you can just download them from the site of the project and attach
them to the lib as you do normally in eclipse
or you can browse the repo and look for a version that has sources
like this one:
http://mirrors.ibiblio.org/pub/mirrors/maven2/hsqldb/hsqldb/1.8.0.1/
>
> Regards,
> Rainer
>
--
http://www.somatik.be
Microsoft gives you windows, Linux gives you the whole house.