Just saying Hi

[Max Lynch <ma...@drifty.com>]

Hey Cordova Devs,

I'm one of the creators of the Ionic Framework (http://ionicframework.com/)
which is an OSS mobile dev framework running on Cordova and using AngularJS.

We are starting to get more active in building open source Cordova plugins,
and I'm excited to be more a part of the Cordova community going forward.
We've got a few plugins in the works we plan on releasing over the coming
weeks/months.

That's all I have, just wanted to introduce myself and hopefully connect
with a few of you as we start to get deeper into Cordova development.

-- 
Max Lynch
CTO of Drifty
414-530-9687
http://drifty.com/

Re: Just saying Hi

[Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>]

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:43 PM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org> wrote:

>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Max Lynch <ma...@drifty.com> wrote:
>
>> Yep, we fixed the weather demo: https://github.com/driftyco/ionic-weather
>>
>> For the cli tool, I definitely agree it's not optimal. The reason we went
>> with it is we are going to have backend services and tools that require
>> authentication (similar to PhoneGap Build I believe), so I wasn't sure how
>> to get that custom behavior without building a wrapper tool. Things like
>> "ionic build" which farms out a build for iOS and Android on our build
>> server instead of needing to have a Mac, for example.
>>
>
> This makes sense.  Sounds like sticking to a CLI will be the least
> confusing for your users.  But if you could make a clean separation between
> using these features, and just the framework, that would be awesome for
> many of us who really do want to use your stuff.
>
>
>>
>> In terms of the cordova cli changes, I think --from-git would be very
>> helpful. What would the expected form of the repo be? Just the www assets,
>> or a whole project shell? The former I think is easier to deal with when
>> it
>> comes to different Cordova versions.
>>
>
> The former.  Format is exactly as the target format for
> --link-to/--copy-from: a folder containing www/ merges/ and config.xml (but
> not platforms/ and plugins/).
>

Also hooks/.  For cca, this is basically what we do: have a pre-prepare
hook that parses your application manifest to automatically install the
right cordova plugins.  You could do this today too, ship the ionic
boilerplate app with a pre-prepare hook to install the right plugins.


>
> Note: I'm not sure that we import the config.xml correctly today (seems we
> don't import app name/description), but we can fix that.
>
>
>>
>> I definitely think a yeoman generator would be helpful and it's something
>> we've been looking into recently, but I'm not knowledgable enough in it
>> yet
>> to know how we are going to use it, but my dream is to have the ability to
>> quickly add new "pages" to a project, or some UI specific scaffold.
>>
>
> Cool. We are in a similar situation, but have found that the community has
> just built great generators for us as soon as we made it obvious what
> should be generated.
>
>
>>
>> Max
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>> > Hello Max!  Glad to see you drop in.
>> >
>> > I've tried out your stuff a bit, and have been showing off your demos
>> (Is
>> > the Weather demo fixed yet?!).  I'm even tinkering with wrapping our
>> > cordova test suite in ionic (but am concerned about platform support,
>> > investigating graceful fallback options -- any suggestions there?).
>> >
>> > My biggest concern with ionic has been with its use of its own CLI.  We
>> > already have cordova-cli, and there other downstream distributions
>> > (phonegap, cca), etc.  While you aren't exactly setting new precedent
>> here,
>> > I think ionic framework, unlike the others, would be super valuable to
>> > embed within these other projects instead of being standalone.  I know
>> you
>> > have cordova seed projects on github, but they aren't really in the
>> right
>> > form, I think.
>> >
>> > So: Is it possible to, moving forward, make it easier to consume ionic
>> > boilerplate & plugins butt without using your CLI?  We would be happy to
>> > change cordova-cli to fit the needs.
>> >
>> > Some ideas:
>> > - We already support `cordova create --link-to=` / `cordova create
>> > --copy-from=` to import a boilerplate app, and we have as a task to add
>> > support for `--from-git=`, which could be used to import an
>> > ionic-boilerplate app.
>> > - Just recently Gorkem Ercan started work on support for platform &
>> plugin
>> > dependencies for boilerplate applications. (Thread: "engines and
>> plugins on
>> > config.xml").  Basically this means the `cordova create` could
>> > automatically install the plugins needed to run the boilerplate app.
>> > - We should leverage yeoman generators, or custom manifests with CLI
>> hooks,
>> > instead of forking the CLI for a lot of things.
>> >
>> > Basically, what are ionic's real requirements, and how can we help
>> remove
>> > your need for a CLI so that I can use ionic in my existing
>> > cordova/phonegap/cca applications?
>> >
>> > Thanks!
>> >
>> > -Michal
>> >
>> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc@gmail.com
>> > >wrote:
>> >
>> > > Hey !
>> > > Just to say that I really love Ionic, this is really impressive stuff
>> !!
>> > > Can we have so tips on the plugins you are going to release ?
>> > > Seb
>> > >
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Max Lynch <ma...@drifty.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > > Hey Cordova Devs,
>> > > >
>> > > > I'm one of the creators of the Ionic Framework (
>> > > http://ionicframework.com/
>> > > > )
>> > > > which is an OSS mobile dev framework running on Cordova and using
>> > > > AngularJS.
>> > > >
>> > > > We are starting to get more active in building open source Cordova
>> > > plugins,
>> > > > and I'm excited to be more a part of the Cordova community going
>> > forward.
>> > > > We've got a few plugins in the works we plan on releasing over the
>> > coming
>> > > > weeks/months.
>> > > >
>> > > > That's all I have, just wanted to introduce myself and hopefully
>> > connect
>> > > > with a few of you as we start to get deeper into Cordova
>> development.
>> > > >
>> > > > --
>> > > > Max Lynch
>> > > > CTO of Drifty
>> > > > 414-530-9687
>> > > > http://drifty.com/
>> > > >
>> > >
>> >
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> Max Lynch
>> Co-founder of Drifty
>> 414-530-9687
>> http://drifty.com/
>>
>
>

Re: Just saying Hi

[Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>]

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 1:18 PM, Max Lynch <ma...@drifty.com> wrote:

> Yep, we fixed the weather demo: https://github.com/driftyco/ionic-weather
>
> For the cli tool, I definitely agree it's not optimal. The reason we went
> with it is we are going to have backend services and tools that require
> authentication (similar to PhoneGap Build I believe), so I wasn't sure how
> to get that custom behavior without building a wrapper tool. Things like
> "ionic build" which farms out a build for iOS and Android on our build
> server instead of needing to have a Mac, for example.
>

This makes sense.  Sounds like sticking to a CLI will be the least
confusing for your users.  But if you could make a clean separation between
using these features, and just the framework, that would be awesome for
many of us who really do want to use your stuff.


>
> In terms of the cordova cli changes, I think --from-git would be very
> helpful. What would the expected form of the repo be? Just the www assets,
> or a whole project shell? The former I think is easier to deal with when it
> comes to different Cordova versions.
>

The former.  Format is exactly as the target format for
--link-to/--copy-from: a folder containing www/ merges/ and config.xml (but
not platforms/ and plugins/).

Note: I'm not sure that we import the config.xml correctly today (seems we
don't import app name/description), but we can fix that.


>
> I definitely think a yeoman generator would be helpful and it's something
> we've been looking into recently, but I'm not knowledgable enough in it yet
> to know how we are going to use it, but my dream is to have the ability to
> quickly add new "pages" to a project, or some UI specific scaffold.
>

Cool. We are in a similar situation, but have found that the community has
just built great generators for us as soon as we made it obvious what
should be generated.


>
> Max
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hello Max!  Glad to see you drop in.
> >
> > I've tried out your stuff a bit, and have been showing off your demos (Is
> > the Weather demo fixed yet?!).  I'm even tinkering with wrapping our
> > cordova test suite in ionic (but am concerned about platform support,
> > investigating graceful fallback options -- any suggestions there?).
> >
> > My biggest concern with ionic has been with its use of its own CLI.  We
> > already have cordova-cli, and there other downstream distributions
> > (phonegap, cca), etc.  While you aren't exactly setting new precedent
> here,
> > I think ionic framework, unlike the others, would be super valuable to
> > embed within these other projects instead of being standalone.  I know
> you
> > have cordova seed projects on github, but they aren't really in the right
> > form, I think.
> >
> > So: Is it possible to, moving forward, make it easier to consume ionic
> > boilerplate & plugins butt without using your CLI?  We would be happy to
> > change cordova-cli to fit the needs.
> >
> > Some ideas:
> > - We already support `cordova create --link-to=` / `cordova create
> > --copy-from=` to import a boilerplate app, and we have as a task to add
> > support for `--from-git=`, which could be used to import an
> > ionic-boilerplate app.
> > - Just recently Gorkem Ercan started work on support for platform &
> plugin
> > dependencies for boilerplate applications. (Thread: "engines and plugins
> on
> > config.xml").  Basically this means the `cordova create` could
> > automatically install the plugins needed to run the boilerplate app.
> > - We should leverage yeoman generators, or custom manifests with CLI
> hooks,
> > instead of forking the CLI for a lot of things.
> >
> > Basically, what are ionic's real requirements, and how can we help remove
> > your need for a CLI so that I can use ionic in my existing
> > cordova/phonegap/cca applications?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> > -Michal
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Hey !
> > > Just to say that I really love Ionic, this is really impressive stuff
> !!
> > > Can we have so tips on the plugins you are going to release ?
> > > Seb
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Max Lynch <ma...@drifty.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Cordova Devs,
> > > >
> > > > I'm one of the creators of the Ionic Framework (
> > > http://ionicframework.com/
> > > > )
> > > > which is an OSS mobile dev framework running on Cordova and using
> > > > AngularJS.
> > > >
> > > > We are starting to get more active in building open source Cordova
> > > plugins,
> > > > and I'm excited to be more a part of the Cordova community going
> > forward.
> > > > We've got a few plugins in the works we plan on releasing over the
> > coming
> > > > weeks/months.
> > > >
> > > > That's all I have, just wanted to introduce myself and hopefully
> > connect
> > > > with a few of you as we start to get deeper into Cordova development.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Max Lynch
> > > > CTO of Drifty
> > > > 414-530-9687
> > > > http://drifty.com/
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Max Lynch
> Co-founder of Drifty
> 414-530-9687
> http://drifty.com/
>

Re: Just saying Hi

[Max Lynch <ma...@drifty.com>]

Yep, we fixed the weather demo: https://github.com/driftyco/ionic-weather

For the cli tool, I definitely agree it's not optimal. The reason we went
with it is we are going to have backend services and tools that require
authentication (similar to PhoneGap Build I believe), so I wasn't sure how
to get that custom behavior without building a wrapper tool. Things like
"ionic build" which farms out a build for iOS and Android on our build
server instead of needing to have a Mac, for example.

In terms of the cordova cli changes, I think --from-git would be very
helpful. What would the expected form of the repo be? Just the www assets,
or a whole project shell? The former I think is easier to deal with when it
comes to different Cordova versions.

I definitely think a yeoman generator would be helpful and it's something
we've been looking into recently, but I'm not knowledgable enough in it yet
to know how we are going to use it, but my dream is to have the ability to
quickly add new "pages" to a project, or some UI specific scaffold.

Max


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:34 AM, Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org> wrote:

> Hello Max!  Glad to see you drop in.
>
> I've tried out your stuff a bit, and have been showing off your demos (Is
> the Weather demo fixed yet?!).  I'm even tinkering with wrapping our
> cordova test suite in ionic (but am concerned about platform support,
> investigating graceful fallback options -- any suggestions there?).
>
> My biggest concern with ionic has been with its use of its own CLI.  We
> already have cordova-cli, and there other downstream distributions
> (phonegap, cca), etc.  While you aren't exactly setting new precedent here,
> I think ionic framework, unlike the others, would be super valuable to
> embed within these other projects instead of being standalone.  I know you
> have cordova seed projects on github, but they aren't really in the right
> form, I think.
>
> So: Is it possible to, moving forward, make it easier to consume ionic
> boilerplate & plugins butt without using your CLI?  We would be happy to
> change cordova-cli to fit the needs.
>
> Some ideas:
> - We already support `cordova create --link-to=` / `cordova create
> --copy-from=` to import a boilerplate app, and we have as a task to add
> support for `--from-git=`, which could be used to import an
> ionic-boilerplate app.
> - Just recently Gorkem Ercan started work on support for platform & plugin
> dependencies for boilerplate applications. (Thread: "engines and plugins on
> config.xml").  Basically this means the `cordova create` could
> automatically install the plugins needed to run the boilerplate app.
> - We should leverage yeoman generators, or custom manifests with CLI hooks,
> instead of forking the CLI for a lot of things.
>
> Basically, what are ionic's real requirements, and how can we help remove
> your need for a CLI so that I can use ionic in my existing
> cordova/phonegap/cca applications?
>
> Thanks!
>
> -Michal
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hey !
> > Just to say that I really love Ionic, this is really impressive stuff !!
> > Can we have so tips on the plugins you are going to release ?
> > Seb
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Max Lynch <ma...@drifty.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Cordova Devs,
> > >
> > > I'm one of the creators of the Ionic Framework (
> > http://ionicframework.com/
> > > )
> > > which is an OSS mobile dev framework running on Cordova and using
> > > AngularJS.
> > >
> > > We are starting to get more active in building open source Cordova
> > plugins,
> > > and I'm excited to be more a part of the Cordova community going
> forward.
> > > We've got a few plugins in the works we plan on releasing over the
> coming
> > > weeks/months.
> > >
> > > That's all I have, just wanted to introduce myself and hopefully
> connect
> > > with a few of you as we start to get deeper into Cordova development.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Max Lynch
> > > CTO of Drifty
> > > 414-530-9687
> > > http://drifty.com/
> > >
> >
>



-- 
Max Lynch
Co-founder of Drifty
414-530-9687
http://drifty.com/

Re: Just saying Hi

[Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>]

Hello Max!  Glad to see you drop in.

I've tried out your stuff a bit, and have been showing off your demos (Is
the Weather demo fixed yet?!).  I'm even tinkering with wrapping our
cordova test suite in ionic (but am concerned about platform support,
investigating graceful fallback options -- any suggestions there?).

My biggest concern with ionic has been with its use of its own CLI.  We
already have cordova-cli, and there other downstream distributions
(phonegap, cca), etc.  While you aren't exactly setting new precedent here,
I think ionic framework, unlike the others, would be super valuable to
embed within these other projects instead of being standalone.  I know you
have cordova seed projects on github, but they aren't really in the right
form, I think.

So: Is it possible to, moving forward, make it easier to consume ionic
boilerplate & plugins butt without using your CLI?  We would be happy to
change cordova-cli to fit the needs.

Some ideas:
- We already support `cordova create --link-to=` / `cordova create
--copy-from=` to import a boilerplate app, and we have as a task to add
support for `--from-git=`, which could be used to import an
ionic-boilerplate app.
- Just recently Gorkem Ercan started work on support for platform & plugin
dependencies for boilerplate applications. (Thread: "engines and plugins on
config.xml").  Basically this means the `cordova create` could
automatically install the plugins needed to run the boilerplate app.
- We should leverage yeoman generators, or custom manifests with CLI hooks,
instead of forking the CLI for a lot of things.

Basically, what are ionic's real requirements, and how can we help remove
your need for a CLI so that I can use ionic in my existing
cordova/phonegap/cca applications?

Thanks!

-Michal

On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 10:54 AM, Sebastien Blanc <sc...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey !
> Just to say that I really love Ionic, this is really impressive stuff !!
> Can we have so tips on the plugins you are going to release ?
> Seb
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Max Lynch <ma...@drifty.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Cordova Devs,
> >
> > I'm one of the creators of the Ionic Framework (
> http://ionicframework.com/
> > )
> > which is an OSS mobile dev framework running on Cordova and using
> > AngularJS.
> >
> > We are starting to get more active in building open source Cordova
> plugins,
> > and I'm excited to be more a part of the Cordova community going forward.
> > We've got a few plugins in the works we plan on releasing over the coming
> > weeks/months.
> >
> > That's all I have, just wanted to introduce myself and hopefully connect
> > with a few of you as we start to get deeper into Cordova development.
> >
> > --
> > Max Lynch
> > CTO of Drifty
> > 414-530-9687
> > http://drifty.com/
> >
>

Re: Just saying Hi

[Michal Mocny <mm...@chromium.org>]

iOS 6+ is fine (98+% use iOS6+).  For android, we're pinning our hopes on
bundling intel xrosswalk to replace old android webview (and to get access
to features like getUserMedia) back to Android 4.0.


On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 11:33 AM, Max Lynch <ma...@drifty.com> wrote:

> Thanks Sebastien :)
>
> The first one is a tweaked version of the cordova keyboard plugin that
> pushes more of the resize functionality into JS instead of relying on the
> native scroll view resizing which was giving us grief. That one does rely
> on having a JS scroll system which we currently use in Ionic.
>
> Another is a camera roll streaming plugin so you can do more of the photos
> UI in web land rather than relying on navigator.camera.getPicture (which is
> great, but a bit too simple for building things like the Instagram or
> Twitter photo picker). This one will be a lot more portable.
>
> Those are kind of inline with our plugin goals: instead of baking in some
> of the experience (getPicture for example), stream the data and let the web
> layer render it. The downside is some of this stuff only feels performant
> on iOS 6+ and Android 4.x+
>
> Max
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Sebastien Blanc <scm.blanc@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Hey !
> > Just to say that I really love Ionic, this is really impressive stuff !!
> > Can we have so tips on the plugins you are going to release ?
> > Seb
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Max Lynch <ma...@drifty.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Hey Cordova Devs,
> > >
> > > I'm one of the creators of the Ionic Framework (
> > http://ionicframework.com/
> > > )
> > > which is an OSS mobile dev framework running on Cordova and using
> > > AngularJS.
> > >
> > > We are starting to get more active in building open source Cordova
> > plugins,
> > > and I'm excited to be more a part of the Cordova community going
> forward.
> > > We've got a few plugins in the works we plan on releasing over the
> coming
> > > weeks/months.
> > >
> > > That's all I have, just wanted to introduce myself and hopefully
> connect
> > > with a few of you as we start to get deeper into Cordova development.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Max Lynch
> > > CTO of Drifty
> > > 414-530-9687
> > > http://drifty.com/
> > >
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Max Lynch
> Co-founder of Drifty
> 414-530-9687
> http://drifty.com/
>

Re: Just saying Hi

[Max Lynch <ma...@drifty.com>]

Thanks Sebastien :)

The first one is a tweaked version of the cordova keyboard plugin that
pushes more of the resize functionality into JS instead of relying on the
native scroll view resizing which was giving us grief. That one does rely
on having a JS scroll system which we currently use in Ionic.

Another is a camera roll streaming plugin so you can do more of the photos
UI in web land rather than relying on navigator.camera.getPicture (which is
great, but a bit too simple for building things like the Instagram or
Twitter photo picker). This one will be a lot more portable.

Those are kind of inline with our plugin goals: instead of baking in some
of the experience (getPicture for example), stream the data and let the web
layer render it. The downside is some of this stuff only feels performant
on iOS 6+ and Android 4.x+

Max




On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 9:54 AM, Sebastien Blanc <sc...@gmail.com>wrote:

> Hey !
> Just to say that I really love Ionic, this is really impressive stuff !!
> Can we have so tips on the plugins you are going to release ?
> Seb
>
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Max Lynch <ma...@drifty.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Cordova Devs,
> >
> > I'm one of the creators of the Ionic Framework (
> http://ionicframework.com/
> > )
> > which is an OSS mobile dev framework running on Cordova and using
> > AngularJS.
> >
> > We are starting to get more active in building open source Cordova
> plugins,
> > and I'm excited to be more a part of the Cordova community going forward.
> > We've got a few plugins in the works we plan on releasing over the coming
> > weeks/months.
> >
> > That's all I have, just wanted to introduce myself and hopefully connect
> > with a few of you as we start to get deeper into Cordova development.
> >
> > --
> > Max Lynch
> > CTO of Drifty
> > 414-530-9687
> > http://drifty.com/
> >
>



-- 
Max Lynch
Co-founder of Drifty
414-530-9687
http://drifty.com/

Re: Just saying Hi

[Sebastien Blanc <sc...@gmail.com>]

Hey !
Just to say that I really love Ionic, this is really impressive stuff !!
Can we have so tips on the plugins you are going to release ?
Seb



On Thu, Apr 10, 2014 at 4:51 PM, Max Lynch <ma...@drifty.com> wrote:

> Hey Cordova Devs,
>
> I'm one of the creators of the Ionic Framework (http://ionicframework.com/
> )
> which is an OSS mobile dev framework running on Cordova and using
> AngularJS.
>
> We are starting to get more active in building open source Cordova plugins,
> and I'm excited to be more a part of the Cordova community going forward.
> We've got a few plugins in the works we plan on releasing over the coming
> weeks/months.
>
> That's all I have, just wanted to introduce myself and hopefully connect
> with a few of you as we start to get deeper into Cordova development.
>
> --
> Max Lynch
> CTO of Drifty
> 414-530-9687
> http://drifty.com/
>