You are viewing a plain text version of this content. The canonical link for it is here.
Posted to users@groovy.apache.org by Gerald Wiltse <je...@gmail.com> on 2016/01/08 16:02:58 UTC
Community Support for Novices
I don't feel right posting novice level questions to the user group because
it seems it should be more for language-level discussion.
At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any responses to
Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow:
http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation
Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC Room, or otherwise,
where such questions would be appropriate?
It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet are for Grails or
Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those, I'm just not sure how many
of those things translate to my use cases.
Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers to questions on
Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim Yates, who's posts are
always amazing).
Regards,
Jerry
Gerald R. Wiltse
jerrywiltse@gmail.com
Re: Community Support for Novices
Posted by jim northrop <ja...@googlemail.com>.
and of course you can always ask us *;-}*
On 9 January 2016 at 02:38, Duncan Dickinson <du...@dickinson.name> wrote:
> Hi Gerald,
>
> I thought I'd just mention a few resources that you might find useful in
> your Groovy adventures:
>
> 1. Groovy in Action (2nd ed):
> https://www.manning.com/books/groovy-in-action-second-edition - this is
> the key text for Groovy
>
> 2. mrhaki has a wonderful trove of Groovy how-tos:
> http://mrhaki.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Groovy
>
> 3. The InfoQ website has a range of Groovy presentations - I recommend
> Guillaume's "Groovy with Style!":
> http://www.infoq.com/groovy/presentations/
>
> 4. The Groovy 2 Tutorial is free to read online:
> https://leanpub.com/groovytutorial (disclaimer: I wrote this)
>
> There are a few others also listed on the website:
> http://www.groovy-lang.org/learn.html
>
> The website documentation has good language coverage but I suggest that
> the resources listed above really will help you in learning not only the
> language but also its versatility.
>
> Welcome to Groovy - as you can see it's backed by a very helpful community.
>
> Regards,
>
> Duncan
>
> On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 7:27 AM, jim northrop <
> james.b.northrop@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> second that motion ;-}
>>
>> On 8 January 2016 at 21:38, Gerald Wiltse <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Sure, to that I would add that I am probably a textbook definition of a
>>> "devops" person. I'm someone with extensive IT background, who has dabbled
>>> in scripting and debugging apps for years to automate and solve operational
>>> problems. Now I"m going deep into Groovy, for operational use cases. I
>>> think it rare that a true novice would wake up one day and start coding in
>>> Groovy. I would have never touched Groovy if it was not embedded in
>>> Logicmonitor, an IT operations platform.
>>>
>>> One thing I love / commend the groovy doc authors on is the examples
>>> where they exist. This is something that almost never exists in Javadocs
>>> (if ever). They have been tremendous help. Usually I only get stuck when
>>> there are no examples in the groovydoc. I think just adding even one
>>> example to docs that have none, would be the best use of any free time
>>> someone has for doing documentation.
>>>
>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jim Northrop <
>>> james.b.northrop@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Rather sounds like our docs could use a second viewpoint for those many
>>>> peoplewho know nothing about I.T. at all, or just dipping their toe in the
>>>> proverbial waters of hacking rather than the pros who already do this 4 a
>>>> living. Something like a walk-thru of why would we do this? How do you waLk
>>>> a file tree? When would a URL be needed? Whats a 'Rest' service? How do
>>>> other languagessolve this issue and why should i usegroovy ?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>>
>>>> On 8 Jan 2016, at 20:25, Gerald Wiltse <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I understand, you are probably right.
>>>>
>>>> I will use this opportunity to point out what I feel is a significant
>>>> problem in general for people in my situation (sometimes). I'm not a java
>>>> developer, and am only trying to teach myself groovy. The problem is that
>>>> many groovy documents and examples assume you are a Java developer trying
>>>> to transition. Not a super huge deal, and probably unavoidable given the
>>>> circumstances, but it's a noteworthy barrier to adoption and learning for
>>>> the novice. I'm glad the Groovy team is working on new features, not trying
>>>> to port endless examples and use cases from Java to Groovy, however
>>>> unfortunately for me, many of my problems are a result of this situation.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> but I must say, I would not classify your question as a Groovy novice
>>>>> question. @Log just uses normal logger, if you want more, you have to set a
>>>>> logger that can do the things you want... which is actually more a java
>>>>> question then
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 08.01.2016 um 19:47 schrieb Gerald Wiltse:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Ok, you guys got it :)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> 248-893-9110 (c)
>>>>>> 888-248-7095 (p)
>>>>>> 888-272-6046 (f)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org
>>>>>> <ma...@gmx.org>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I confirm what Pascal said.$
>>>>>> I give you my perspective on SO:
>>>>>> I do try to answer as many question over at SO as possible... of
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> few Tim does leave me ;) But recently I had not so much time and
>>>>>> the
>>>>>> wrong setup to do these things, so I was not very active there...
>>>>>> and even then it is easy to oversee an question at SO for me.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> bye blackdrag
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 08.01.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Pascal Schumacher:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it is perfectly fine to send novice questions to the
>>>>>> mailing
>>>>>> list. There were a lot of these on the old user list at
>>>>>> codehaus.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Am 8. Januar 2016 16:02:58 MEZ, schrieb Gerald Wiltse
>>>>>> <jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't feel right posting novice level questions to the
>>>>>> user group
>>>>>> because it seems it should be more for language-level
>>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any
>>>>>> responses to
>>>>>> Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC
>>>>>> Room, or
>>>>>> otherwise, where such questions would be appropriate?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet
>>>>>> are for
>>>>>> Grails or Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those,
>>>>>> I'm just
>>>>>> not sure how many of those things translate to my use
>>>>>> cases.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers to
>>>>>> questions on
>>>>>> Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim
>>>>>> Yates, who's
>>>>>> posts are always amazing).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Community Support for Novices
Posted by Duncan Dickinson <du...@dickinson.name>.
Hi Gerald,
I thought I'd just mention a few resources that you might find useful in
your Groovy adventures:
1. Groovy in Action (2nd ed):
https://www.manning.com/books/groovy-in-action-second-edition - this is the
key text for Groovy
2. mrhaki has a wonderful trove of Groovy how-tos:
http://mrhaki.blogspot.com.au/search/label/Groovy
3. The InfoQ website has a range of Groovy presentations - I recommend
Guillaume's "Groovy with Style!": http://www.infoq.com/groovy/presentations/
4. The Groovy 2 Tutorial is free to read online:
https://leanpub.com/groovytutorial (disclaimer: I wrote this)
There are a few others also listed on the website:
http://www.groovy-lang.org/learn.html
The website documentation has good language coverage but I suggest that the
resources listed above really will help you in learning not only the
language but also its versatility.
Welcome to Groovy - as you can see it's backed by a very helpful community.
Regards,
Duncan
On Sat, Jan 9, 2016 at 7:27 AM, jim northrop <
james.b.northrop@googlemail.com> wrote:
> second that motion ;-}
>
> On 8 January 2016 at 21:38, Gerald Wiltse <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Sure, to that I would add that I am probably a textbook definition of a
>> "devops" person. I'm someone with extensive IT background, who has dabbled
>> in scripting and debugging apps for years to automate and solve operational
>> problems. Now I"m going deep into Groovy, for operational use cases. I
>> think it rare that a true novice would wake up one day and start coding in
>> Groovy. I would have never touched Groovy if it was not embedded in
>> Logicmonitor, an IT operations platform.
>>
>> One thing I love / commend the groovy doc authors on is the examples
>> where they exist. This is something that almost never exists in Javadocs
>> (if ever). They have been tremendous help. Usually I only get stuck when
>> there are no examples in the groovydoc. I think just adding even one
>> example to docs that have none, would be the best use of any free time
>> someone has for doing documentation.
>>
>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jim Northrop <
>> james.b.northrop@googlemail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Rather sounds like our docs could use a second viewpoint for those many
>>> peoplewho know nothing about I.T. at all, or just dipping their toe in the
>>> proverbial waters of hacking rather than the pros who already do this 4 a
>>> living. Something like a walk-thru of why would we do this? How do you waLk
>>> a file tree? When would a URL be needed? Whats a 'Rest' service? How do
>>> other languagessolve this issue and why should i usegroovy ?
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPad
>>>
>>> On 8 Jan 2016, at 20:25, Gerald Wiltse <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> I understand, you are probably right.
>>>
>>> I will use this opportunity to point out what I feel is a significant
>>> problem in general for people in my situation (sometimes). I'm not a java
>>> developer, and am only trying to teach myself groovy. The problem is that
>>> many groovy documents and examples assume you are a Java developer trying
>>> to transition. Not a super huge deal, and probably unavoidable given the
>>> circumstances, but it's a noteworthy barrier to adoption and learning for
>>> the novice. I'm glad the Groovy team is working on new features, not trying
>>> to port endless examples and use cases from Java to Groovy, however
>>> unfortunately for me, many of my problems are a result of this situation.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> but I must say, I would not classify your question as a Groovy novice
>>>> question. @Log just uses normal logger, if you want more, you have to set a
>>>> logger that can do the things you want... which is actually more a java
>>>> question then
>>>>
>>>> Am 08.01.2016 um 19:47 schrieb Gerald Wiltse:
>>>>
>>>>> Ok, you guys got it :)
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>>>> 248-893-9110 (c)
>>>>> 888-248-7095 (p)
>>>>> 888-272-6046 (f)
>>>>>
>>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org
>>>>> <ma...@gmx.org>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> I confirm what Pascal said.$
>>>>> I give you my perspective on SO:
>>>>> I do try to answer as many question over at SO as possible... of
>>>>> the
>>>>> few Tim does leave me ;) But recently I had not so much time and
>>>>> the
>>>>> wrong setup to do these things, so I was not very active there...
>>>>> and even then it is easy to oversee an question at SO for me.
>>>>>
>>>>> bye blackdrag
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 08.01.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Pascal Schumacher:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>>>
>>>>> I think it is perfectly fine to send novice questions to the
>>>>> mailing
>>>>> list. There were a lot of these on the old user list at
>>>>> codehaus.
>>>>>
>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>> Pascal
>>>>>
>>>>> Am 8. Januar 2016 16:02:58 MEZ, schrieb Gerald Wiltse
>>>>> <jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't feel right posting novice level questions to the
>>>>> user group
>>>>> because it seems it should be more for language-level
>>>>> discussion.
>>>>>
>>>>> At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any
>>>>> responses to
>>>>> Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation
>>>>>
>>>>> Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC
>>>>> Room, or
>>>>> otherwise, where such questions would be appropriate?
>>>>>
>>>>> It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet
>>>>> are for
>>>>> Grails or Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those,
>>>>> I'm just
>>>>> not sure how many of those things translate to my use
>>>>> cases.
>>>>>
>>>>> Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers to
>>>>> questions on
>>>>> Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim Yates,
>>>>> who's
>>>>> posts are always amazing).
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Jerry
>>>>>
>>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>>>> <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>
>>
>
Re: Community Support for Novices
Posted by jim northrop <ja...@googlemail.com>.
second that motion ;-}
On 8 January 2016 at 21:38, Gerald Wiltse <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Sure, to that I would add that I am probably a textbook definition of a
> "devops" person. I'm someone with extensive IT background, who has dabbled
> in scripting and debugging apps for years to automate and solve operational
> problems. Now I"m going deep into Groovy, for operational use cases. I
> think it rare that a true novice would wake up one day and start coding in
> Groovy. I would have never touched Groovy if it was not embedded in
> Logicmonitor, an IT operations platform.
>
> One thing I love / commend the groovy doc authors on is the examples where
> they exist. This is something that almost never exists in Javadocs (if
> ever). They have been tremendous help. Usually I only get stuck when
> there are no examples in the groovydoc. I think just adding even one
> example to docs that have none, would be the best use of any free time
> someone has for doing documentation.
>
> Gerald R. Wiltse
> jerrywiltse@gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jim Northrop <
> james.b.northrop@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>> Rather sounds like our docs could use a second viewpoint for those many
>> peoplewho know nothing about I.T. at all, or just dipping their toe in the
>> proverbial waters of hacking rather than the pros who already do this 4 a
>> living. Something like a walk-thru of why would we do this? How do you waLk
>> a file tree? When would a URL be needed? Whats a 'Rest' service? How do
>> other languagessolve this issue and why should i usegroovy ?
>>
>>
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On 8 Jan 2016, at 20:25, Gerald Wiltse <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I understand, you are probably right.
>>
>> I will use this opportunity to point out what I feel is a significant
>> problem in general for people in my situation (sometimes). I'm not a java
>> developer, and am only trying to teach myself groovy. The problem is that
>> many groovy documents and examples assume you are a Java developer trying
>> to transition. Not a super huge deal, and probably unavoidable given the
>> circumstances, but it's a noteworthy barrier to adoption and learning for
>> the novice. I'm glad the Groovy team is working on new features, not trying
>> to port endless examples and use cases from Java to Groovy, however
>> unfortunately for me, many of my problems are a result of this situation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> but I must say, I would not classify your question as a Groovy novice
>>> question. @Log just uses normal logger, if you want more, you have to set a
>>> logger that can do the things you want... which is actually more a java
>>> question then
>>>
>>> Am 08.01.2016 um 19:47 schrieb Gerald Wiltse:
>>>
>>>> Ok, you guys got it :)
>>>>
>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>>> 248-893-9110 (c)
>>>> 888-248-7095 (p)
>>>> 888-272-6046 (f)
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org
>>>> <ma...@gmx.org>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> I confirm what Pascal said.$
>>>> I give you my perspective on SO:
>>>> I do try to answer as many question over at SO as possible... of the
>>>> few Tim does leave me ;) But recently I had not so much time and the
>>>> wrong setup to do these things, so I was not very active there...
>>>> and even then it is easy to oversee an question at SO for me.
>>>>
>>>> bye blackdrag
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 08.01.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Pascal Schumacher:
>>>>
>>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>>
>>>> I think it is perfectly fine to send novice questions to the
>>>> mailing
>>>> list. There were a lot of these on the old user list at
>>>> codehaus.
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Pascal
>>>>
>>>> Am 8. Januar 2016 16:02:58 MEZ, schrieb Gerald Wiltse
>>>> <jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>:
>>>>
>>>> I don't feel right posting novice level questions to the
>>>> user group
>>>> because it seems it should be more for language-level
>>>> discussion.
>>>>
>>>> At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any responses
>>>> to
>>>> Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation
>>>>
>>>> Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC Room,
>>>> or
>>>> otherwise, where such questions would be appropriate?
>>>>
>>>> It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet
>>>> are for
>>>> Grails or Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those,
>>>> I'm just
>>>> not sure how many of those things translate to my use
>>>> cases.
>>>>
>>>> Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers to
>>>> questions on
>>>> Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim Yates,
>>>> who's
>>>> posts are always amazing).
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Jerry
>>>>
>>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>>> <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>
>
Re: Community Support for Novices
Posted by James Northrop <ja...@orange.fr>.
Must agree on this one Gerald. Nothing brings home the point of a doc. more than a concrete example of 'HOW' ? And many time i've just copied a sample directly into groovyConsole, done a small tweek, tested and then used that result to solve the problem much more quickly than doing it all from scratch. Think that's a 'Win' for GroovyDocs ;-}
On Jan 8, 2016, at 9:38 PM, Gerald Wiltse wrote:
> Sure, to that I would add that I am probably a textbook definition of a "devops" person. I'm someone with extensive IT background, who has dabbled in scripting and debugging apps for years to automate and solve operational problems. Now I"m going deep into Groovy, for operational use cases. I think it rare that a true novice would wake up one day and start coding in Groovy. I would have never touched Groovy if it was not embedded in Logicmonitor, an IT operations platform.
>
> One thing I love / commend the groovy doc authors on is the examples where they exist. This is something that almost never exists in Javadocs (if ever). They have been tremendous help. Usually I only get stuck when there are no examples in the groovydoc. I think just adding even one example to docs that have none, would be the best use of any free time someone has for doing documentation.
>
> Gerald R. Wiltse
> jerrywiltse@gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jim Northrop <ja...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Rather sounds like our docs could use a second viewpoint for those many peoplewho know nothing about I.T. at all, or just dipping their toe in the proverbial waters of hacking rather than the pros who already do this 4 a living. Something like a walk-thru of why would we do this? How do you waLk a file tree? When would a URL be needed? Whats a 'Rest' service? How do other languagessolve this issue and why should i usegroovy ?
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 8 Jan 2016, at 20:25, Gerald Wiltse <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I understand, you are probably right.
>>
>> I will use this opportunity to point out what I feel is a significant problem in general for people in my situation (sometimes). I'm not a java developer, and am only trying to teach myself groovy. The problem is that many groovy documents and examples assume you are a Java developer trying to transition. Not a super huge deal, and probably unavoidable given the circumstances, but it's a noteworthy barrier to adoption and learning for the novice. I'm glad the Groovy team is working on new features, not trying to port endless examples and use cases from Java to Groovy, however unfortunately for me, many of my problems are a result of this situation.
>>
>>
>>
>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org> wrote:
>> but I must say, I would not classify your question as a Groovy novice question. @Log just uses normal logger, if you want more, you have to set a logger that can do the things you want... which is actually more a java question then
>>
>> Am 08.01.2016 um 19:47 schrieb Gerald Wiltse:
>> Ok, you guys got it :)
>>
>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>> 248-893-9110 (c)
>> 888-248-7095 (p)
>> 888-272-6046 (f)
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org
>> <ma...@gmx.org>> wrote:
>>
>> I confirm what Pascal said.$
>> I give you my perspective on SO:
>> I do try to answer as many question over at SO as possible... of the
>> few Tim does leave me ;) But recently I had not so much time and the
>> wrong setup to do these things, so I was not very active there...
>> and even then it is easy to oversee an question at SO for me.
>>
>> bye blackdrag
>>
>>
>> Am 08.01.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Pascal Schumacher:
>>
>> Hi Jerry,
>>
>> I think it is perfectly fine to send novice questions to the mailing
>> list. There were a lot of these on the old user list at codehaus.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Pascal
>>
>> Am 8. Januar 2016 16:02:58 MEZ, schrieb Gerald Wiltse
>> <jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>:
>>
>> I don't feel right posting novice level questions to the
>> user group
>> because it seems it should be more for language-level
>> discussion.
>>
>> At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any responses to
>> Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow:
>>
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation
>>
>> Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC Room, or
>> otherwise, where such questions would be appropriate?
>>
>> It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet
>> are for
>> Grails or Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those,
>> I'm just
>> not sure how many of those things translate to my use cases.
>>
>> Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers to
>> questions on
>> Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim Yates, who's
>> posts are always amazing).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jerry
>>
>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>>
>
Re: Community Support for Novices
Posted by Gerald Wiltse <je...@gmail.com>.
Sure, to that I would add that I am probably a textbook definition of a
"devops" person. I'm someone with extensive IT background, who has dabbled
in scripting and debugging apps for years to automate and solve operational
problems. Now I"m going deep into Groovy, for operational use cases. I
think it rare that a true novice would wake up one day and start coding in
Groovy. I would have never touched Groovy if it was not embedded in
Logicmonitor, an IT operations platform.
One thing I love / commend the groovy doc authors on is the examples where
they exist. This is something that almost never exists in Javadocs (if
ever). They have been tremendous help. Usually I only get stuck when
there are no examples in the groovydoc. I think just adding even one
example to docs that have none, would be the best use of any free time
someone has for doing documentation.
Gerald R. Wiltse
jerrywiltse@gmail.com
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 3:23 PM, Jim Northrop <
james.b.northrop@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Rather sounds like our docs could use a second viewpoint for those many
> peoplewho know nothing about I.T. at all, or just dipping their toe in the
> proverbial waters of hacking rather than the pros who already do this 4 a
> living. Something like a walk-thru of why would we do this? How do you waLk
> a file tree? When would a URL be needed? Whats a 'Rest' service? How do
> other languagessolve this issue and why should i usegroovy ?
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On 8 Jan 2016, at 20:25, Gerald Wiltse <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I understand, you are probably right.
>
> I will use this opportunity to point out what I feel is a significant
> problem in general for people in my situation (sometimes). I'm not a java
> developer, and am only trying to teach myself groovy. The problem is that
> many groovy documents and examples assume you are a Java developer trying
> to transition. Not a super huge deal, and probably unavoidable given the
> circumstances, but it's a noteworthy barrier to adoption and learning for
> the novice. I'm glad the Groovy team is working on new features, not trying
> to port endless examples and use cases from Java to Groovy, however
> unfortunately for me, many of my problems are a result of this situation.
>
>
>
> Gerald R. Wiltse
> jerrywiltse@gmail.com
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org>
> wrote:
>
>> but I must say, I would not classify your question as a Groovy novice
>> question. @Log just uses normal logger, if you want more, you have to set a
>> logger that can do the things you want... which is actually more a java
>> question then
>>
>> Am 08.01.2016 um 19:47 schrieb Gerald Wiltse:
>>
>>> Ok, you guys got it :)
>>>
>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>> 248-893-9110 (c)
>>> 888-248-7095 (p)
>>> 888-272-6046 (f)
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org
>>> <ma...@gmx.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I confirm what Pascal said.$
>>> I give you my perspective on SO:
>>> I do try to answer as many question over at SO as possible... of the
>>> few Tim does leave me ;) But recently I had not so much time and the
>>> wrong setup to do these things, so I was not very active there...
>>> and even then it is easy to oversee an question at SO for me.
>>>
>>> bye blackdrag
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 08.01.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Pascal Schumacher:
>>>
>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>
>>> I think it is perfectly fine to send novice questions to the
>>> mailing
>>> list. There were a lot of these on the old user list at codehaus.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Pascal
>>>
>>> Am 8. Januar 2016 16:02:58 MEZ, schrieb Gerald Wiltse
>>> <jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>> I don't feel right posting novice level questions to the
>>> user group
>>> because it seems it should be more for language-level
>>> discussion.
>>>
>>> At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any responses
>>> to
>>> Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow:
>>>
>>>
>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation
>>>
>>> Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC Room,
>>> or
>>> otherwise, where such questions would be appropriate?
>>>
>>> It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet
>>> are for
>>> Grails or Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those,
>>> I'm just
>>> not sure how many of those things translate to my use cases.
>>>
>>> Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers to
>>> questions on
>>> Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim Yates,
>>> who's
>>> posts are always amazing).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>
Re: Community Support for Novices
Posted by Jim Northrop <ja...@googlemail.com>.
Rather sounds like our docs could use a second viewpoint for those many peoplewho know nothing about I.T. at all, or just dipping their toe in the proverbial waters of hacking rather than the pros who already do this 4 a living. Something like a walk-thru of why would we do this? How do you waLk a file tree? When would a URL be needed? Whats a 'Rest' service? How do other languagessolve this issue and why should i usegroovy ?
Sent from my iPad
> On 8 Jan 2016, at 20:25, Gerald Wiltse <je...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I understand, you are probably right.
>
> I will use this opportunity to point out what I feel is a significant problem in general for people in my situation (sometimes). I'm not a java developer, and am only trying to teach myself groovy. The problem is that many groovy documents and examples assume you are a Java developer trying to transition. Not a super huge deal, and probably unavoidable given the circumstances, but it's a noteworthy barrier to adoption and learning for the novice. I'm glad the Groovy team is working on new features, not trying to port endless examples and use cases from Java to Groovy, however unfortunately for me, many of my problems are a result of this situation.
>
>
>
> Gerald R. Wiltse
> jerrywiltse@gmail.com
>
>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org> wrote:
>> but I must say, I would not classify your question as a Groovy novice question. @Log just uses normal logger, if you want more, you have to set a logger that can do the things you want... which is actually more a java question then
>>
>>> Am 08.01.2016 um 19:47 schrieb Gerald Wiltse:
>>> Ok, you guys got it :)
>>>
>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>> 248-893-9110 (c)
>>> 888-248-7095 (p)
>>> 888-272-6046 (f)
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org
>>> <ma...@gmx.org>> wrote:
>>>
>>> I confirm what Pascal said.$
>>> I give you my perspective on SO:
>>> I do try to answer as many question over at SO as possible... of the
>>> few Tim does leave me ;) But recently I had not so much time and the
>>> wrong setup to do these things, so I was not very active there...
>>> and even then it is easy to oversee an question at SO for me.
>>>
>>> bye blackdrag
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 08.01.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Pascal Schumacher:
>>>
>>> Hi Jerry,
>>>
>>> I think it is perfectly fine to send novice questions to the mailing
>>> list. There were a lot of these on the old user list at codehaus.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Pascal
>>>
>>> Am 8. Januar 2016 16:02:58 MEZ, schrieb Gerald Wiltse
>>> <jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>:
>>>
>>> I don't feel right posting novice level questions to the
>>> user group
>>> because it seems it should be more for language-level
>>> discussion.
>>>
>>> At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any responses to
>>> Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow:
>>>
>>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation
>>>
>>> Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC Room, or
>>> otherwise, where such questions would be appropriate?
>>>
>>> It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet
>>> are for
>>> Grails or Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those,
>>> I'm just
>>> not sure how many of those things translate to my use cases.
>>>
>>> Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers to
>>> questions on
>>> Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim Yates, who's
>>> posts are always amazing).
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Jerry
>>>
>>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>> <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>
Re: Community Support for Novices
Posted by Gerald Wiltse <je...@gmail.com>.
I understand, you are probably right.
I will use this opportunity to point out what I feel is a significant
problem in general for people in my situation (sometimes). I'm not a java
developer, and am only trying to teach myself groovy. The problem is that
many groovy documents and examples assume you are a Java developer trying
to transition. Not a super huge deal, and probably unavoidable given the
circumstances, but it's a noteworthy barrier to adoption and learning for
the novice. I'm glad the Groovy team is working on new features, not trying
to port endless examples and use cases from Java to Groovy, however
unfortunately for me, many of my problems are a result of this situation.
Gerald R. Wiltse
jerrywiltse@gmail.com
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:53 PM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org> wrote:
> but I must say, I would not classify your question as a Groovy novice
> question. @Log just uses normal logger, if you want more, you have to set a
> logger that can do the things you want... which is actually more a java
> question then
>
> Am 08.01.2016 um 19:47 schrieb Gerald Wiltse:
>
>> Ok, you guys got it :)
>>
>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>> 248-893-9110 (c)
>> 888-248-7095 (p)
>> 888-272-6046 (f)
>>
>> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org
>> <ma...@gmx.org>> wrote:
>>
>> I confirm what Pascal said.$
>> I give you my perspective on SO:
>> I do try to answer as many question over at SO as possible... of the
>> few Tim does leave me ;) But recently I had not so much time and the
>> wrong setup to do these things, so I was not very active there...
>> and even then it is easy to oversee an question at SO for me.
>>
>> bye blackdrag
>>
>>
>> Am 08.01.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Pascal Schumacher:
>>
>> Hi Jerry,
>>
>> I think it is perfectly fine to send novice questions to the
>> mailing
>> list. There were a lot of these on the old user list at codehaus.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Pascal
>>
>> Am 8. Januar 2016 16:02:58 MEZ, schrieb Gerald Wiltse
>> <jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>:
>>
>> I don't feel right posting novice level questions to the
>> user group
>> because it seems it should be more for language-level
>> discussion.
>>
>> At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any responses to
>> Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow:
>>
>>
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation
>>
>> Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC Room, or
>> otherwise, where such questions would be appropriate?
>>
>> It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet
>> are for
>> Grails or Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those,
>> I'm just
>> not sure how many of those things translate to my use cases.
>>
>> Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers to
>> questions on
>> Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim Yates,
>> who's
>> posts are always amazing).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jerry
>>
>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>> <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>>
>>
>>
Re: Community Support for Novices
Posted by Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org>.
but I must say, I would not classify your question as a Groovy novice
question. @Log just uses normal logger, if you want more, you have to
set a logger that can do the things you want... which is actually more
a java question then
Am 08.01.2016 um 19:47 schrieb Gerald Wiltse:
> Ok, you guys got it :)
>
> Gerald R. Wiltse
> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
> 248-893-9110 (c)
> 888-248-7095 (p)
> 888-272-6046 (f)
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jochen Theodorou <blackdrag@gmx.org
> <ma...@gmx.org>> wrote:
>
> I confirm what Pascal said.$
> I give you my perspective on SO:
> I do try to answer as many question over at SO as possible... of the
> few Tim does leave me ;) But recently I had not so much time and the
> wrong setup to do these things, so I was not very active there...
> and even then it is easy to oversee an question at SO for me.
>
> bye blackdrag
>
>
> Am 08.01.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Pascal Schumacher:
>
> Hi Jerry,
>
> I think it is perfectly fine to send novice questions to the mailing
> list. There were a lot of these on the old user list at codehaus.
>
> Cheers,
> Pascal
>
> Am 8. Januar 2016 16:02:58 MEZ, schrieb Gerald Wiltse
> <jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>:
>
> I don't feel right posting novice level questions to the
> user group
> because it seems it should be more for language-level
> discussion.
>
> At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any responses to
> Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow:
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation
>
> Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC Room, or
> otherwise, where such questions would be appropriate?
>
> It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet
> are for
> Grails or Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those,
> I'm just
> not sure how many of those things translate to my use cases.
>
> Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers to
> questions on
> Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim Yates, who's
> posts are always amazing).
>
> Regards,
> Jerry
>
> Gerald R. Wiltse
> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
> <mailto:jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>>
>
>
Re: Community Support for Novices
Posted by Gerald Wiltse <je...@gmail.com>.
Ok, you guys got it :)
Gerald R. Wiltse
jerrywiltse@gmail.com
248-893-9110 (c)
888-248-7095 (p)
888-272-6046 (f)
On Fri, Jan 8, 2016 at 1:45 PM, Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org> wrote:
> I confirm what Pascal said.$
> I give you my perspective on SO:
> I do try to answer as many question over at SO as possible... of the few
> Tim does leave me ;) But recently I had not so much time and the wrong
> setup to do these things, so I was not very active there... and even then
> it is easy to oversee an question at SO for me.
>
> bye blackdrag
>
>
> Am 08.01.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Pascal Schumacher:
>
>> Hi Jerry,
>>
>> I think it is perfectly fine to send novice questions to the mailing
>> list. There were a lot of these on the old user list at codehaus.
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Pascal
>>
>> Am 8. Januar 2016 16:02:58 MEZ, schrieb Gerald Wiltse
>> <je...@gmail.com>:
>>
>> I don't feel right posting novice level questions to the user group
>> because it seems it should be more for language-level discussion.
>>
>> At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any responses to
>> Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow:
>>
>>
>> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation
>>
>> Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC Room, or
>> otherwise, where such questions would be appropriate?
>>
>> It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet are for
>> Grails or Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those, I'm just
>> not sure how many of those things translate to my use cases.
>>
>> Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers to questions on
>> Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim Yates, who's
>> posts are always amazing).
>>
>> Regards,
>> Jerry
>>
>> Gerald R. Wiltse
>> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>>
>>
Re: Community Support for Novices
Posted by Jochen Theodorou <bl...@gmx.org>.
I confirm what Pascal said.$
I give you my perspective on SO:
I do try to answer as many question over at SO as possible... of the few
Tim does leave me ;) But recently I had not so much time and the wrong
setup to do these things, so I was not very active there... and even
then it is easy to oversee an question at SO for me.
bye blackdrag
Am 08.01.2016 um 16:37 schrieb Pascal Schumacher:
> Hi Jerry,
>
> I think it is perfectly fine to send novice questions to the mailing
> list. There were a lot of these on the old user list at codehaus.
>
> Cheers,
> Pascal
>
> Am 8. Januar 2016 16:02:58 MEZ, schrieb Gerald Wiltse
> <je...@gmail.com>:
>
> I don't feel right posting novice level questions to the user group
> because it seems it should be more for language-level discussion.
>
> At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any responses to
> Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow:
>
> http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation
>
> Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC Room, or
> otherwise, where such questions would be appropriate?
>
> It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet are for
> Grails or Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those, I'm just
> not sure how many of those things translate to my use cases.
>
> Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers to questions on
> Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim Yates, who's
> posts are always amazing).
>
> Regards,
> Jerry
>
> Gerald R. Wiltse
> jerrywiltse@gmail.com <ma...@gmail.com>
>
Re: Community Support for Novices
Posted by Pascal Schumacher <pa...@gmx.net>.
Hi Jerry,
I think it is perfectly fine to send novice questions to the mailing list. There were a lot of these on the old user list at codehaus.
Cheers,
Pascal
Am 8. Januar 2016 16:02:58 MEZ, schrieb Gerald Wiltse <je...@gmail.com>:
>I don't feel right posting novice level questions to the user group
>because
>it seems it should be more for language-level discussion.
>
>At the same time, I'm stuck when I don't get any responses to
>Groovy-related questions on StackOverflow:
>
>http://stackoverflow.com/questions/34574498/groovy-log-to-file-log-annotation
>
>Is there any novice level Groovy-Specific forum, IRC Room, or
>otherwise,
>where such questions would be appropriate?
>
>It's also hard because so many solutions on the internet are for Grails
>or
>Gradle, and as a novice who does not use those, I'm just not sure how
>many
>of those things translate to my use cases.
>
>Also, FYI, Thanks to everyone who does post answers to questions on
>Stackoverflow/exchange/etc (special mention to Tim Yates, who's posts
>are
>always amazing).
>
>Regards,
>Jerry
>
>Gerald R. Wiltse
>jerrywiltse@gmail.com