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Posted to dev@felix.apache.org by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> on 2008/10/15 22:08:44 UTC
Using ApacheDS as a back-end for ConfigurationAdmin
I'd like to investigate the use of ApacheDS as a backing store for the
ConfigurationAdmin service.
I've googled a bit and found some emails about that, but not any
pointer to some existing code.
Has anyone already worked on that ?
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Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
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Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
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Re: Using ApacheDS as a back-end for ConfigurationAdmin
Posted by Marcel Offermans <ma...@luminis.nl>.
On Oct 15, 2008, at 22:08 , Guillaume Nodet wrote:
> I'd like to investigate the use of ApacheDS as a backing store for the
> ConfigurationAdmin service.
> I've googled a bit and found some emails about that, but not any
> pointer to some existing code.
> Has anyone already worked on that ?
There was some very old stuff in someone's sandbox, but I doubt it
(still) works.
Greetings, Marcel
Re: Using ApacheDS as a back-end for ConfigurationAdmin
Posted by Felix Meschberger <fm...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Guillaume Nodet schrieb:
> I'd like to investigate the use of ApacheDS as a backing store for the
> ConfigurationAdmin service.
> I've googled a bit and found some emails about that, but not any
> pointer to some existing code.
> Has anyone already worked on that ?
I don't know.
But the Felix ConfigurationAdmin implementation has a PersistanceManager
interface, which you might want to implement to use ApacheDS as a
backing store. But be aware, that the Configuration Admin implementation
does not adapt to changes to persisted data from outside.
Regards
Felix
Re: Using ApacheDS as a back-end for ConfigurationAdmin
Posted by Felix Meschberger <fm...@gmail.com>.
Hi Guillaume,
Guillaume Nodet schrieb:
> For the ConfigurationAdmin service, there are two choices:
> re-implement it from scratch, or leverage the felix one and just plug
> in a different backend store. I would rather go the second way, as
> the interface to implement is quite simple:
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/felix/trunk/configadmin/src/main/java/org/apache/felix/cm/PersistenceManager.java
> However, it seems that this interface is not able to notify the config
> admin service of any changes, so it may be easier to restart from
> scratch.
I could imagine extending this interface making it possible to inject
from below (though I have to admit, that I am not a big fan of this,
because it creates secondary management of the same stuff).
Regards
Felix
>
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Chris Custine <cc...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Hi Guillaume,
>> Alex Karasulu and I were just talking about this exact same subject this
>> week. We also want to implement the UserAdmin spec with ApacheDS as well if
>> there is any interest. There was an effort last year to do some of this but
>> the core of ApacheDS underwent a major overhaul and is just now
>> stabilizing. It is also on the roadmap to package ApacheDS as OSGi bundles
>> which will help with embedding.
>>
>> There is some old code in the ApacheDS sandbox but it is all based on an
>> older version of ApacheDS and would require a lot of work. Here is the link
>> if you are interested:
>> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/directory/sandbox/jconlon/trunk/osgi-services/configuration-service/
>>
>> If this is something that
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> --
>> Chris Custine
>> My Blog :: http://blog.organicelement.com
>> Apache ServiceMix :: http://servicemix.apache.org
>> Apache Directory Server :: http://directory.apache.org
>>
>>
>> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I'd like to investigate the use of ApacheDS as a backing store for the
>>> ConfigurationAdmin service.
>>> I've googled a bit and found some emails about that, but not any
>>> pointer to some existing code.
>>> Has anyone already worked on that ?
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Guillaume Nodet
>>> ------------------------
>>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>>> ------------------------
>>> Open Source SOA
>>> http://fusesource.com
>>>
>
>
>
Re: Using ApacheDS as a back-end for ConfigurationAdmin
Posted by Stuart McCulloch <mc...@gmail.com>.
2008/10/16 Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
> Hey Chris!
>
> Thanks for the pointer. I had seen some code about the OSGi packaging
> but I missed that piece of code.
> I've downloaded the latest distribution and for the packaging, it may
> be easier to just use a single bundle with all the apacheds-* and
> shared-* jars.
> We have already most (if not all) the other dependencies packaged as
> OSGi bundles available for ServiceMix.
> I guess I'll try that first and see how it goes. I can easily provide
> a patch to do that.
> I don't know the apacheds internals and I'm not sure if some of the
> jars are optional or not, so if it makes sense to deploy only a subset
> of these jars.
> If yes, it may be better to directly package those jars as bundles,
> provided that there is no clashes in the packages (no classes from two
> different jars belong to the same package).
>
> For the ConfigurationAdmin service, there are two choices:
> re-implement it from scratch, or leverage the felix one and just plug
> in a different backend store. I would rather go the second way, as
> the interface to implement is quite simple:
>
> https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/felix/trunk/configadmin/src/main/java/org/apache/felix/cm/PersistenceManager.java
> However, it seems that this interface is not able to notify the config
> admin service of any changes, so it may be easier to restart from
> scratch.
>
if you do decide to (re)start from scratch then you might want to look at
Alin's work on a configurable, extensible configuration admin service:
http://wiki.ops4j.org/confluence/display/ops4j/Pax+Coin
afaik it's not yet complete, but you may find it helpful / a starting point
> On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Chris Custine <cc...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> > Hi Guillaume,
> > Alex Karasulu and I were just talking about this exact same subject this
> > week. We also want to implement the UserAdmin spec with ApacheDS as well
> if
> > there is any interest. There was an effort last year to do some of this
> but
> > the core of ApacheDS underwent a major overhaul and is just now
> > stabilizing. It is also on the roadmap to package ApacheDS as OSGi
> bundles
> > which will help with embedding.
> >
> > There is some old code in the ApacheDS sandbox but it is all based on an
> > older version of ApacheDS and would require a lot of work. Here is the
> link
> > if you are interested:
> >
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/directory/sandbox/jconlon/trunk/osgi-services/configuration-service/
> >
> > If this is something that
> >
> > Chris
> >
> > --
> > Chris Custine
> > My Blog :: http://blog.organicelement.com
> > Apache ServiceMix :: http://servicemix.apache.org
> > Apache Directory Server :: http://directory.apache.org
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> >> I'd like to investigate the use of ApacheDS as a backing store for the
> >> ConfigurationAdmin service.
> >> I've googled a bit and found some emails about that, but not any
> >> pointer to some existing code.
> >> Has anyone already worked on that ?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Cheers,
> >> Guillaume Nodet
> >> ------------------------
> >> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> >> ------------------------
> >> Open Source SOA
> >> http://fusesource.com
> >>
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>
--
Cheers, Stuart
Re: Using ApacheDS as a back-end for ConfigurationAdmin
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Hey Chris!
Thanks for the pointer. I had seen some code about the OSGi packaging
but I missed that piece of code.
I've downloaded the latest distribution and for the packaging, it may
be easier to just use a single bundle with all the apacheds-* and
shared-* jars.
We have already most (if not all) the other dependencies packaged as
OSGi bundles available for ServiceMix.
I guess I'll try that first and see how it goes. I can easily provide
a patch to do that.
I don't know the apacheds internals and I'm not sure if some of the
jars are optional or not, so if it makes sense to deploy only a subset
of these jars.
If yes, it may be better to directly package those jars as bundles,
provided that there is no clashes in the packages (no classes from two
different jars belong to the same package).
For the ConfigurationAdmin service, there are two choices:
re-implement it from scratch, or leverage the felix one and just plug
in a different backend store. I would rather go the second way, as
the interface to implement is quite simple:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/felix/trunk/configadmin/src/main/java/org/apache/felix/cm/PersistenceManager.java
However, it seems that this interface is not able to notify the config
admin service of any changes, so it may be easier to restart from
scratch.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Chris Custine <cc...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Guillaume,
> Alex Karasulu and I were just talking about this exact same subject this
> week. We also want to implement the UserAdmin spec with ApacheDS as well if
> there is any interest. There was an effort last year to do some of this but
> the core of ApacheDS underwent a major overhaul and is just now
> stabilizing. It is also on the roadmap to package ApacheDS as OSGi bundles
> which will help with embedding.
>
> There is some old code in the ApacheDS sandbox but it is all based on an
> older version of ApacheDS and would require a lot of work. Here is the link
> if you are interested:
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/directory/sandbox/jconlon/trunk/osgi-services/configuration-service/
>
> If this is something that
>
> Chris
>
> --
> Chris Custine
> My Blog :: http://blog.organicelement.com
> Apache ServiceMix :: http://servicemix.apache.org
> Apache Directory Server :: http://directory.apache.org
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to investigate the use of ApacheDS as a backing store for the
>> ConfigurationAdmin service.
>> I've googled a bit and found some emails about that, but not any
>> pointer to some existing code.
>> Has anyone already worked on that ?
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Using ApacheDS as a back-end for ConfigurationAdmin
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Hey Chris!
Thanks for the pointer. I had seen some code about the OSGi packaging
but I missed that piece of code.
I've downloaded the latest distribution and for the packaging, it may
be easier to just use a single bundle with all the apacheds-* and
shared-* jars.
We have already most (if not all) the other dependencies packaged as
OSGi bundles available for ServiceMix.
I guess I'll try that first and see how it goes. I can easily provide
a patch to do that.
I don't know the apacheds internals and I'm not sure if some of the
jars are optional or not, so if it makes sense to deploy only a subset
of these jars.
If yes, it may be better to directly package those jars as bundles,
provided that there is no clashes in the packages (no classes from two
different jars belong to the same package).
For the ConfigurationAdmin service, there are two choices:
re-implement it from scratch, or leverage the felix one and just plug
in a different backend store. I would rather go the second way, as
the interface to implement is quite simple:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/felix/trunk/configadmin/src/main/java/org/apache/felix/cm/PersistenceManager.java
However, it seems that this interface is not able to notify the config
admin service of any changes, so it may be easier to restart from
scratch.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Chris Custine <cc...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Guillaume,
> Alex Karasulu and I were just talking about this exact same subject this
> week. We also want to implement the UserAdmin spec with ApacheDS as well if
> there is any interest. There was an effort last year to do some of this but
> the core of ApacheDS underwent a major overhaul and is just now
> stabilizing. It is also on the roadmap to package ApacheDS as OSGi bundles
> which will help with embedding.
>
> There is some old code in the ApacheDS sandbox but it is all based on an
> older version of ApacheDS and would require a lot of work. Here is the link
> if you are interested:
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/directory/sandbox/jconlon/trunk/osgi-services/configuration-service/
>
> If this is something that
>
> Chris
>
> --
> Chris Custine
> My Blog :: http://blog.organicelement.com
> Apache ServiceMix :: http://servicemix.apache.org
> Apache Directory Server :: http://directory.apache.org
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to investigate the use of ApacheDS as a backing store for the
>> ConfigurationAdmin service.
>> I've googled a bit and found some emails about that, but not any
>> pointer to some existing code.
>> Has anyone already worked on that ?
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Using ApacheDS as a back-end for ConfigurationAdmin
Posted by Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com>.
Hey Chris!
Thanks for the pointer. I had seen some code about the OSGi packaging
but I missed that piece of code.
I've downloaded the latest distribution and for the packaging, it may
be easier to just use a single bundle with all the apacheds-* and
shared-* jars.
We have already most (if not all) the other dependencies packaged as
OSGi bundles available for ServiceMix.
I guess I'll try that first and see how it goes. I can easily provide
a patch to do that.
I don't know the apacheds internals and I'm not sure if some of the
jars are optional or not, so if it makes sense to deploy only a subset
of these jars.
If yes, it may be better to directly package those jars as bundles,
provided that there is no clashes in the packages (no classes from two
different jars belong to the same package).
For the ConfigurationAdmin service, there are two choices:
re-implement it from scratch, or leverage the felix one and just plug
in a different backend store. I would rather go the second way, as
the interface to implement is quite simple:
https://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/felix/trunk/configadmin/src/main/java/org/apache/felix/cm/PersistenceManager.java
However, it seems that this interface is not able to notify the config
admin service of any changes, so it may be easier to restart from
scratch.
On Thu, Oct 16, 2008 at 5:40 AM, Chris Custine <cc...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi Guillaume,
> Alex Karasulu and I were just talking about this exact same subject this
> week. We also want to implement the UserAdmin spec with ApacheDS as well if
> there is any interest. There was an effort last year to do some of this but
> the core of ApacheDS underwent a major overhaul and is just now
> stabilizing. It is also on the roadmap to package ApacheDS as OSGi bundles
> which will help with embedding.
>
> There is some old code in the ApacheDS sandbox but it is all based on an
> older version of ApacheDS and would require a lot of work. Here is the link
> if you are interested:
> http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/directory/sandbox/jconlon/trunk/osgi-services/configuration-service/
>
> If this is something that
>
> Chris
>
> --
> Chris Custine
> My Blog :: http://blog.organicelement.com
> Apache ServiceMix :: http://servicemix.apache.org
> Apache Directory Server :: http://directory.apache.org
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'd like to investigate the use of ApacheDS as a backing store for the
>> ConfigurationAdmin service.
>> I've googled a bit and found some emails about that, but not any
>> pointer to some existing code.
>> Has anyone already worked on that ?
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Guillaume Nodet
>> ------------------------
>> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
>> ------------------------
>> Open Source SOA
>> http://fusesource.com
>>
>
--
Cheers,
Guillaume Nodet
------------------------
Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
------------------------
Open Source SOA
http://fusesource.com
Re: Using ApacheDS as a back-end for ConfigurationAdmin
Posted by Chris Custine <cc...@apache.org>.
Hi Guillaume,
Alex Karasulu and I were just talking about this exact same subject this
week. We also want to implement the UserAdmin spec with ApacheDS as well if
there is any interest. There was an effort last year to do some of this but
the core of ApacheDS underwent a major overhaul and is just now
stabilizing. It is also on the roadmap to package ApacheDS as OSGi bundles
which will help with embedding.
There is some old code in the ApacheDS sandbox but it is all based on an
older version of ApacheDS and would require a lot of work. Here is the link
if you are interested:
http://svn.apache.org/repos/asf/directory/sandbox/jconlon/trunk/osgi-services/configuration-service/
If this is something that
Chris
--
Chris Custine
My Blog :: http://blog.organicelement.com
Apache ServiceMix :: http://servicemix.apache.org
Apache Directory Server :: http://directory.apache.org
On Wed, Oct 15, 2008 at 2:08 PM, Guillaume Nodet <gn...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'd like to investigate the use of ApacheDS as a backing store for the
> ConfigurationAdmin service.
> I've googled a bit and found some emails about that, but not any
> pointer to some existing code.
> Has anyone already worked on that ?
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Guillaume Nodet
> ------------------------
> Blog: http://gnodet.blogspot.com/
> ------------------------
> Open Source SOA
> http://fusesource.com
>