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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org> on 2003/04/17 17:56:03 UTC
[OT] Email clients [was: test]
On Friday 18 April 2003 07:24 am, Steven Sajous wrote:
> Outlook did that I am trying to figure out how to make it stop. It does not
> do that on any other email
Speaking of email. What do you prefer as your email client?
I've used Outlook (Office 97), Outlook 2002, Outlook XP, and Outlook express
(almost every version), Ximian (RH8), KMail (Mandrake 9), pine (freebsd and
cygwin), and Mozilla (on both windoze and linux).
I don't understand why Outlook doesn't support threading or why the only
client I've ever used that let's me "undelete" multiple mails is KMail. All
others either let you undelete a single item (Outlook) or don't let you do
anything (Outlook Express, Mozilla, etc).
Also the only client I've even heard of having a "bounce" feature (handy for
spam) is KMail.
What do you use and why do you like it?
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: James Mitchell [mailto:jmitchell@apache.org]
> Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:21 AM
> To: Struts Users Mailing List
> Subject: Re: test
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> On Friday 18 April 2003 07:13 am, Steven Sajous wrote:
> > test
>
> Got your message. Why the lewd attachment?
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Re: [OT] Email clients [was: test]
Posted by Dan Allen <da...@mojavelinux.com>.
Rick Reumann (r@reumann.net) wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 18,'03 (01:07 AM GMT-0500), Dan wrote:
>
> > If you are interested in reading massive amounts of messages such as
> > this mailinglist, your best bet is either Mutt or Pine or the fastest
> > GUI email client possible, such as Sylpheed.
>
> Dan, I happen to use Sylpheed (claws branch) and find it very powerful.
> What I'm curious about is I hear people mention how much more powerful
> and customizable Mutt and Pine are (assuming you can put up with a text
> based client), yet looking through the docs I'm not able to see what
> makes these clients so much more 'powerful' than sylpheed? I'm sure
> possibly the search capabilities are faster, but other than that what
> makes them so much more powerful and customizable. I'm thinking of
> trying out Mutt but it involves also configuring procmail, fetchmail,
> etc. And then never mind all the keys you have to learn. I'd certainly
> be into it though if at the end of all that it paid off in some way. I'm
> just not sure what the 'way' would be. (I understand their strength for
> dealing with mail remotely but other than that I would appreciate any
> comments on what else makes it so worthwhile to use).
If you use VIM at all, then explaing why Mutt is powerful is like
explaining why VIM is powerful. With VIM and Mutt (and perhaps
Emacs, I just don't know because I have never used it) you can
actually "walk" with your fingers. You won't understand what this
means until you do it. Just my moving your fingers around you can
get to the top, bottom into a message, out of a message, close a
thread, open a thread. It is literally the fastest way to read a
list of messages. Just like with VIM where you can jump to the end
of a paragraph or the beginnging with a keystroke, same goes for
Mutt. It has synax highlighting for the message, so quotes can be
easily ignored by using the human ability to filter like colors.
I am not going to sit here and say everyone should use Mutt. Half
of the VIM/Emac flame wars are foolish. What I am going to say is
that if you feel like it takes you a long time to browse a large
amount of messages, then try Mutt or Pine. I like Mutt because I
have been using it for a long time and it works for me. Other
people might like Pine for the same reason. When I go back to a GUI
client I slow down big time trying to work through the messages.
Dan
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Re: [OT] Email clients [was: test]
Posted by Rick Reumann <r...@reumann.net>.
On Fri, Apr 18,'03 (01:07 AM GMT-0500), Dan wrote:
> If you are interested in reading massive amounts of messages such as
> this mailinglist, your best bet is either Mutt or Pine or the fastest
> GUI email client possible, such as Sylpheed.
Dan, I happen to use Sylpheed (claws branch) and find it very powerful.
What I'm curious about is I hear people mention how much more powerful
and customizable Mutt and Pine are (assuming you can put up with a text
based client), yet looking through the docs I'm not able to see what
makes these clients so much more 'powerful' than sylpheed? I'm sure
possibly the search capabilities are faster, but other than that what
makes them so much more powerful and customizable. I'm thinking of
trying out Mutt but it involves also configuring procmail, fetchmail,
etc. And then never mind all the keys you have to learn. I'd certainly
be into it though if at the end of all that it paid off in some way. I'm
just not sure what the 'way' would be. (I understand their strength for
dealing with mail remotely but other than that I would appreciate any
comments on what else makes it so worthwhile to use).
Thanks. Feel free to e-mail me off list.
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Re: [OT] Email clients [was: test]
Posted by Dan Allen <da...@mojavelinux.com>.
If you like pine, you will like mutt as well. The nice thing about
Mutt is that mutt can pretend to be just like Pine because you can
configure every single key stroke you make. You can remap the
entire functionality using the .muttrc client. While it takes time
to setup, I can now fly through these mailinglist archives just like
a piano player.
When I want to have the eye candy and see all of those pretty
attachments inline I go with Kmail and/or Evolution. I would be
hands down Evolution, but I hate GTK 1.2...and as soon as I get the
time I am going Evolution 1.3 for a while.
All in all, the best way to do mail is IMAP since you can change
e-mail clients and still see the same messages since they all stay
on the server. For this I heard Mahogony is the best since it
makes the server do most of the work.
You people that use Outlook Express scare me. That is all I have to
say about that.
In the end, the reason there are so many e-mail clients is because
it is such a personal preference. If you are interested in reading
massive amounts of messages such as this mailinglist, your best bet
is either Mutt or Pine or the fastest GUI email client possible,
such as Sylpheed.
If you are viewing tons of attachments and/or html mail, you
probably want Kmail (Konqueror is an amazing rendering engine),
Mozilla mail or Evolution (although I wish Ximian would use
gtk-moz-embed rather than ghtml which sux).
Anyway, you really have to see what you like since no one can tell
you what you like best. If you want to see what is out there, hit
freshmeat.net and start cruising.
Dan
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Re: [OT] Email clients [was: test]
Posted by Becky Norum <bn...@coe.neu.edu>.
On Thu, 2003-04-17 at 18:20, Rick Reumann wrote:
> On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:56:03 +0000
> James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> > Speaking of email. What do you prefer as your email client?
I use Ximian Evolution on RH8 - I like being able to view attachments
pretty easily ala Outlook, but without the viruses. Also, I use the
calender and task functions pretty extensively and it's nice to have all
in one.
Pine I use for remote email checks.
Becky
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Re: [OT] Email clients [was: test]
Posted by Rick Reumann <r...@reumann.net>.
On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:56:03 +0000
James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org> wrote:
> Speaking of email. What do you prefer as your email client?
Hands down the best e-mail client is "The Bat." Unfortunately it's only
for Windows. I'm on Linux now and the closest thing I've found to it's
power and functions is "Sylpheed-claws" for Linux.
If you are on windows just play with it for a week and see how much it
has to offer: http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/
It is the mac-daddy of e-mail clients:)
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Re: [OT] Email clients [was: test]
Posted by Jeff Smith <je...@centralscheduling.net>.
Can anyone offer comment on ICEmail? Shouldn't we all have a built-in
predisposition to it, given that its an open source, Java-based email
client?
I'm playing with it now, but its hard to judge stability issues, which
for me are more important than specific mail handling features.
Jefficus
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Re: [OT] Email clients [was: test]
Posted by Jeff Smith <je...@smithicus.com>.
Funny you should ask. As this message came in, I was in the process of
uninstalling Outlook Express. I just can't stand it anymore. And now I'm
looking around for a replacement. So I'm very interested to see the
responses.
At this point I don't have a favorite to recommend (except a negative
vote for Outlook Express). I too have used a lot of clients over the
years. I even wrote one, but that's a whole "nother story".
Jefficus
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answer to why The Bat. Re: [OT] Email clients [was: test]
Posted by Rick Reumann <r...@reumann.net>.
On Thu, 17 Apr 2003 15:56:03 +0000
James Mitchell <jm...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> What do you use and why do you like it?
>
Here are some of the features it had that I found particularly useful
that not all clients had. Some had them (and on Linux sylpheed has the
most but not all of these)...
- park/lock messages. (When you delete all from a folder these messages
remain. Useful for large lists where you plan on reading a bunch later
you can just lock the messages you want and then delete all of the
folder and these messages remain behind).
- powerful scripting built in to the client. (template idea in other
clients but I find the Bat's much easier to use and more versatile).
- add memos to any message and see them in the list of messages. Very
useful when a huge long thread of re: emails in which you'd like to add
a memo to the message so you can give some more detail to what's in the
contents.
- add as many color categories as you want so that you can color code
messages. (A lot of clients have this now but you are often limited in
the number of colors you can create and/or limited by the titles of what
those colors stand for).
-** threading is the best by far in the client. You can thread by all
different criteria. Most clients only have simple threading protocols.
- the filtering options are tremendous. Just install The Bat and see the
different options for filtering and how customizable it is.
- ability to customize display. So many clients won't even let me add
the "To" field to the list of messages. With the Bat you can add as many
fields as you want to display in the messages list. The "to" field is
useful if you possibly want to group several lists together in one
folder (maybe some light traffic lists). With the To field showing in
the message list you can easily pick out and sort the messages.
- fast. And fast powerful search capabilities. You can search by many
more options than I've seen in other clients and across folders and
accounts which many won't let you do.
- the editor. Some don't like the editor at first, but I think any
programmer will love the editor. It can be set up so that it works by
following an indent which is really nice. So if I indent the first line
of the next sentence like so:
here is a new line. Now the next line automatically when I
hit return would line up right under the 'here' from the
previous line. Of course I had to manually do that in this
client since I'm on Linux. Sure opening the e-mail in an
external editor can do it, but it's nice having it integrated.
- It's the only editor that really handles broken up quoted text
correctly. For example when replying to a message and you want to break
up the original author's line it can be set to keep the reply marker and
will also wrap the quoted text automatically. Some editors handle either
or none of the above correctly. I haven't found one yet that handles
both correctly.
Well, I could go on if I think about it. I only use Linux now so I miss
The Bat. (That and powermarks is the only thing I miss from Windows
though:)
E-mail me if you have any other questions.
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Re: [OT] Email clients [was: test]
Posted by Melissa L Kelley <st...@stuology.net>.
On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, James Mitchell wrote:
> On Friday 18 April 2003 07:24 am, Steven Sajous wrote:
> > Outlook did that I am trying to figure out how to make it stop. It does not
> > do that on any other email
>
> Speaking of email. What do you prefer as your email client?
>
> I've used Outlook (Office 97), Outlook 2002, Outlook XP, and Outlook express
> (almost every version), Ximian (RH8), KMail (Mandrake 9), pine (freebsd and
> cygwin), and Mozilla (on both windoze and linux).
>
> I don't understand why Outlook doesn't support threading or why the only
> client I've ever used that let's me "undelete" multiple mails is KMail. All
> others either let you undelete a single item (Outlook) or don't let you do
> anything (Outlook Express, Mozilla, etc).
>
> Also the only client I've even heard of having a "bounce" feature (handy for
> spam) is KMail.
>
> What do you use and why do you like it?
>
I use Pine (4.44 on FreeBSD) for my personal e-mail. It was my second
e-mail client, and no matter how hard people try to turn me over to a GUI client, I go back
to using Pine. It can filter, sort, and thread with the best of them (at
least to my satisfaction) as well as provide alternate roles (AKA
stu.strutsusers@stuology.net whenever I send mail here). Plus, I'm not
annoyed by the animated, image-heavy, "cute" musical e-mails I get from my
family.
Pine has a Bounce command, but I've never used it.
I've also used Mozilla(Windows/Linux), Outlook(Windows), Evolution(Linux),
and Eudora(Mac/Windows) and KMail(Linux).
I use Outlook 2000 at work because I don't have much of a choice. I do
successfully thread messages at work though. And I can quickly toggle
between threading by subject and threading by sender.
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Re: [OT] Email clients [was: test]
Posted by Casey Forbes <cf...@kensfoods.com>.
Pine is the greatest.
Yep. I love Pine.
http://www.ii.com/internet/messaging/pine
Casey
On Thu, 17 Apr 2003, James Mitchell said:
> On Friday 18 April 2003 07:24 am, Steven Sajous wrote:
> > Outlook did that I am trying to figure out how to make it stop. It does not
> > do that on any other email
>
> Speaking of email. What do you prefer as your email client?
>
> I've used Outlook (Office 97), Outlook 2002, Outlook XP, and Outlook express
> (almost every version), Ximian (RH8), KMail (Mandrake 9), pine (freebsd and
> cygwin), and Mozilla (on both windoze and linux).
>
> I don't understand why Outlook doesn't support threading or why the only
> client I've ever used that let's me "undelete" multiple mails is KMail. All
> others either let you undelete a single item (Outlook) or don't let you do
> anything (Outlook Express, Mozilla, etc).
>
> Also the only client I've even heard of having a "bounce" feature (handy for
> spam) is KMail.
>
> What do you use and why do you like it?
>
>
>
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: James Mitchell [mailto:jmitchell@apache.org]
> > Sent: Thursday, April 17, 2003 11:21 AM
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List
> > Subject: Re: test
> >
> > On Friday 18 April 2003 07:13 am, Steven Sajous wrote:
> > > test
> >
> > Got your message. Why the lewd attachment?
>
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>
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