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Posted to user@tuscany.apache.org by haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> on 2006/11/09 06:44:59 UTC
Re: Tuscany Website Updates
Hi,
I have been checking the new website that is published at this link
http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ on several different
occasions to see if I can adapt to the new coloring. I think our current
site color combo (http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/) is much more
inviting and easier on the eyes. what does everyone else think?
I am copying tuscany users on this mail to get your input. The prototype at
http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ has changed the
layout of the website and got rid of the tabs. Is this easier to follow?
Your feedback to make the site more user friendly is important to us. Thank
you for taking the time to give feedback.
Haleh
On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Venkat,
> Thanks for the website work. It looks better and is easier to navigate
> through.
>
> Minor comments
> - We already mention that Tuscany is under Apache License 2.0 in the
> overview. It does not seem necessary to have an entry called license and ASF
> under General section.
> - Down load page should contain an entry that describes content of each
> release. For example, what is in SCA Java M1.
> - Can FAQ be a link to Wiki? It would be easier to update by anyone.
>
> - How to Add info about SCA extensions?
> 1. Add Extension entry to SCA navigation tab on the left after SCA C++.
> 2. Create a top level navigation for 'SCA lang extensions' just like what
> we have for SCA, SDO, DAS. It could contain overview, documentation,
> download (maybe) entries. The challenge will then be how to separate
> extensions provided on top of C++ or Java runtimes.
>
> Option 2 seems easier to navigate through.
>
>
> On 11/6/06, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > You should be able to run build.bat and get the site-publish created.
> >
> > Also, rfeng had posted a snapshot of the site during today's IRC chat,
> > and
> > it's available at :
> > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/
> >
> > PS.: I think I like the greenish version better then the new colors...
> >
> > - Luciano Resende
> >
> > On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi Venkat,
> > > There is no site-publish directory in this zip file. How do I look at
> > the
> > > content?
> > > Haleh
> > >
> > >
> > > On 11/6/06, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I have put in a new zip file -
> > > > tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip<
> > > >
> > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12344405/tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip
> >
> > > > >in
> > > > the JIRA (
> > > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703) containing the
> > updates
> > > > to
> > > > the look and feel. I have linked up all (hopefully) the content
> > that
> > > > exists
> > > > today. If people find this agreeable I can commit this and we can
> > start
> > > > pushing in contents into various areas from now on.
> > > >
> > > > Raymond, could you please over write your last post on
> > > > people.apache.orgwith the contents of this zip file. Thanks
> > > >
> > > > - Venkat
> > > >
> > > > On 11/4/06, haleh mahbod <hmahbod@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > Information presented on the website needs to be progressive. This
> > > means
> > > > > that we expose critical/interesting information as top level
> > > > information
> > > > > and allow the reader to learn more as they advance.
> > > > >
> > > > > I agree that it is interesting for users and developers to know
> > > > > about SCA's
> > > > > flexibility to extend beyond Java and C++ at the first glance.
> > This is
> > > > > something we'd want to promote as a top level piece of information
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > website.
> > > > >
> > > > > On the other hand, information about bindings seem to be
> > > implementation
> > > > > details that are not critical as a top level information. User
> > will
> > > > reach
> > > > > to
> > > > > this information when he/she drills down for more information.
> > > > >
> > > > > Haleh
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please find my comments inline. Thanks
> > > > > >
> > > > > > - Venkat
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/3/06, Andrew Borley <aj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For SCA, I'd like to see a little more emphasis on the things
> > we
> > > > > > > support in our releases - Tuscany SCA does more than just C++
> > or
> > > > Java,
> > > > > > > and the fact that we implement in these 2 languages doesn't
> > really
> > > > > > > need to be quite so highlighted on the site (IMO).
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > If we have more than just Java and C++ lets go and mention that,
> > but
> > > > > under
> > > > > > SCA - is all that I am asking. So that a user knows where all
> > of
> > > this
> > > > > > goes
> > > > > > into or what the common thread is to all of this. Remember we
> > also
> > > > have
> > > > > > DAS
> > > > > > and SDO.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What would be cool
> > > > > > > would be a listing of all the stuff we support, and then link
> > to
> > > > some
> > > > > > > info about where and how we provide that support. E.g:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Component language bindings:
> > > > > > > Java
> > > > > > > C++
> > > > > > > Javascript
> > > > > > > Python
> > > > > > > Ruby
> > > > > > > PHP (with a link to the SCA for PHP project for now)
> > > > > > > etc..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Containers:
> > > > > > > Tomcat
> > > > > > > HTTPD
> > > > > > > etc..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Bindings:
> > > > > > > Axis2 Web Services
> > > > > > > etc..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What do people think?
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > This will certainly interest the users.. but what's in your mind
> > > about
> > > > > > presenting this.. are you suggesting that we simply list all of
> > this
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > Navigation Pane on the left?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks Everbody for looking into this and providing your
> > > comments.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Rick, I am ok with the Tabs as long as we provide enhanced
> > user
> > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > thro them. We must either have the tabs or the pane on the
> > left
> > > > for
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > first level navigation. i.e. For every tab selected the
> > > > navigation
> > > > > > pane
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the left has a diff set of relevant options. So if SCA tab
> > is
> > > > > seleced
> > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > on the left pane we see only stuff releated to SCA. I would
> >
> > > feel
> > > > > this
> > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > consistent and less confusing.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Lee and Raymond, it is no surprise that the links are not
> > > working
> > > > > > :). I
> > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > submitted ahead that this is just to get a top level feel of
> > the
> > > > > > > navigation
> > > > > > > > I am proposing and the links may either not work or work
> > > wrongly.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Meanwhile I am proceeding with the changes and will get up
> > more
> > > > > > updates
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > that JIRA before this weekend.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > - Venkat
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Raymond Feng < enjoyjava@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I uploaded Venkat's patch to
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/index.htmlfor
> > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > viewing. I found quite a few links bring me to the wrong
> > page.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > I would suggest that we keep the GUI template (panes and
> > tabs)
> > > > as
> > > > > is
> > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > focus on adding more contents.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > Raymond
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > From: "Venkata Krishnan" < for.svkrish@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:33 AM
> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tuscany Website Updates
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Sure yes Ant. For the Documentation, as mentioned
> > earlier,
> > > I
> > > > > plan
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > separate pages for SCA Docs, SDO Docs. and DAS Docs.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Each of these pages will have a list of topics that will
> > > > further
> > > > > > > link to
> > > > > > > > > > separate pages. Here is something that I can imagine
> > for
> > > now
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > this.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 1) SCA Java Overview
> > > > > > > > > > <will will have something in general about how we
> > have
> > > > > > > partitioned as
> > > > > > > > > > APIs SPI Core etc.>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 2) SCA Java - Extensions
> > > > > > > > > > <About extensions... Implementation Types, Bindings
> > and
> > > the
> > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > prog. model around loaders, buliders, invokers>
> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own impl. type and binding
> > extensions>
> > > > > > > > > > <Tuscany Implementatin Extensions>
> > > > > > > > > > <JavaScript>
> > > > > > > > > > <Groovy>
> > > > > > > > > > <Ruby>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 3) SCA Java - DataBinding Facility
> > > > > > > > > > <About DataBinding and its advantage>
> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own data bindings>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 4) Java SCA Runtimes and Application Deployment
> > > > > > > > > > <Standalone>
> > > > > > > > > > <WebApp>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > 5) Java SCA Samples
> > > > > > > > > > <Overview of samples available in SCA Java>
> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own SCA Application>
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > So I guess, what you wish to do might go into one of the
> > > lind
> > > > > uder
> > > > > > > Topic
> > > > > > > > > > 2.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Please feel free to correct this or fill in if I have
> > > grossly
> > > > > > missed
> > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > somethings.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > - Venkat
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > On 11/2/06, Venkata Krishnan <for.svkrish@gmail.com >
> > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > I am putting up some proposals for updates to our
> > > website
> > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > request
> > > > > > > > > >> > > feedback on this or suggestions for the better.
> > Right
> > > > > away
> > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > top
> > > > > > > > > >> > > level
> > > > > > > > > >> > > ones are:
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > - Do away with the tabs. This is because I don't
> > see
> > > > > > > correlation
> > > > > > > > > >> > > between
> > > > > > > > > >> > > the Tab options and the options on the navigation
> > pane
> > > in
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > left.
> > > > > > > > > >> i.e
> > > > > > > > > >> > > . if
> > > > > > > > > >> > > the tabs are first level navigation then the pane
> > on
> > > the
> > > > > left
> > > > > > > must
> > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > >> > > sub-options within a selected tab - I don't see
> > such a
> > > > > > > > > >> correlation. So
> > > > > > > > > >> > > let's avoid confusion to the website visitor
> > > > > > > > > >> > > - There is lots of green :) and am having some
> > > > difficulties
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > >> > > additional colors that gel with this. Either
> > somebody
> > > > with
> > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > >> > > colour
> > > > > > > > > >> > > sense helps or we moderate the green a bit.
> > > > > > > > > >> > > - The images that are used for the Navigation
> > Optoins
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > > left
> > > > > > > > > >> > > pane
> > > > > > > > > >> > > and
> > > > > > > > > >> > > for the titles of various boxes may need to be
> > > sharpened
> > > > a
> > > > > > bit
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > All this besides the fact the the various
> > navigations
> > > > paths
> > > > > > > need to
> > > > > > > > > >> > > be
> > > > > > > > > >> > > reviewed and set right. I shall get to these as
> > well.
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Meanwhile I have created a JIRA
> > > > > > > > > >> > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703where
> > > I
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > >> attempted
> > > > > > > > > >> > > to
> > > > > > > > > >> > > provide a view of what's in my mind for the
> > Navigation
> > > > Pane
> > > > > > on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > >> left
> > > > > > > > > >> > > together with some changes for the Downloads page.
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > You simply have to extract the zip that is attached
> > in
> > > > that
> > > > > > > JIRA
> > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > >> > > take a
> > > > > > > > > >> > > look at /site-publish/downloads.html.
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Also, I have a diagram posted for the Java_SCA
> > Overview
> > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > >> > > JIRA,
> > > > > > > > > >> > > please see if you can say somethings about that as
> > > well.
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks.
> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > >> > > - Venkat
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >> > Its really good you're looking at the website Venkat,
> > it
> > > > has
> > > > > > > become a
> > > > > > > > > >> bit
> > > > > > > > > >> > neglected. What you've suggested above all sounds
> > good to
> > > > me,
> > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > >> suggest
> > > > > > > > > >> > just going ahead and making changes as you think
> > > > appropriate
> > > > > as
> > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > >> will be
> > > > > > > > > >> > much easier for you. Maybe for big ones mention on
> > the
> > > dev
> > > > > list
> > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > >> but
> > > > > > > > > >> > otherwise just dive in and send emails after the fact
> > so
> > > > > others
> > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > >> review -
> > > > > > > > > >> > just as with the code CTR not RTC :)
> > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> I meant to add, I'd like to help, specifically with
> > adding
> > > > > pages
> > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > doc
> > > > > > > > > >> about the various extensions, maybe along the lines of
> > that
> > > > > > example
> > > > > > > i
> > > > > > > > > >> posted
> > > > > > > > > >> earlier [1]. Could you find a space for me on the
> > website
> > > for
> > > > > me
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > >> that?
> > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > >> ...ant
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Re: Tuscany Website Updates
Posted by Raymond Feng <en...@gmail.com>.
Hi, Venkat.
The site has been updated with your latest patch. Please review it again at:
http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/
Thanks,
Raymond
----- Original Message -----
From: "Venkata Krishnan" <fo...@gmail.com>
To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 5:55 AM
Subject: Re: Tuscany Website Updates
> Hi,
>
> Thanks for the inputs. Theres good news for all of you - the popular
> GREEN
> is back. I have attached the modified zip as before in the JIRA
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703. Please build it and
> take
> a look.
>
> Raymond, as before could you please overwrite the contents of this zip to
> people.apache.org where the earlier ones were posted. Thanks.
>
> Luciano, I have brought back the Documenation link and have put back that
> page too. Please feel free to modify or add what you might think fits
> there
> best. I am not able to think of anything that cannot fall in any of sca,
> das or sdo and which should go to this general page.
>
> Rick, I am not yet convinced about the tabs. Yet, if people still want
> them,
> it can be done with a few uncommenting - its not wipe out for good :).
>
> Thanks.
>
> - Venkat
>
> On 11/9/06, Rick <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I agree with the color, my experience is that it sets a theme using
>> different
>> shades and usually matches the logo. If we switch to this brown we
>> should
>> switch the Tuscany logo there too.
>>
>> As for the top tabs from an aesthetics view I liked them and they add
>> another
>> dimension to the site. It seems most sites incorporate them maybe for
>> this very
>> reason. From a functional view maybe they should have been rethought. I
>> don't
>> buy into the argument that they need to work left panel as I can find
>> sites that
>> have them where they don't link to left tabs; they're just another view
>> mostly
>> to quickly get to pages people are interested in or we want to high
>> light.
>> Maybe the current two dimensional aspect of them was too much. I could
>> see on
>> the top row having tabs for: "Home", "News", "Getting Started", "FAQ",
>> "Downloads". Take a look at the apache Geronimo site
>> http://geronimo.apache.org/index.html as an idea of what I'm talking
>> about.
>>
>>
>>
>> haleh mahbod wrote:
>> > Hi,
>> >
>> > I have been checking the new website that is published at this link
>> > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ on several
>> different
>> > occasions to see if I can adapt to the new coloring. I think our
>> current
>> > site color combo (http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/) is much more
>> > inviting and easier on the eyes. what does everyone else think?
>> >
>> > I am copying tuscany users on this mail to get your input. The
>> > prototype
>> at
>> > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ has changed the
>> > layout of the website and got rid of the tabs. Is this easier to
>> > follow?
>> > Your feedback to make the site more user friendly is important to us.
>> Thank
>> > you for taking the time to give feedback.
>> >
>> > Haleh
>> >
>> >
>> > On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Venkat,
>> >> Thanks for the website work. It looks better and is easier to navigate
>> >> through.
>> >>
>> >> Minor comments
>> >> - We already mention that Tuscany is under Apache License 2.0 in the
>> >> overview. It does not seem necessary to have an entry called license
>> >> and ASF
>> >> under General section.
>> >> - Down load page should contain an entry that describes content of
>> >> each
>> >> release. For example, what is in SCA Java M1.
>> >> - Can FAQ be a link to Wiki? It would be easier to update by anyone.
>> >>
>> >> - How to Add info about SCA extensions?
>> >> 1. Add Extension entry to SCA navigation tab on the left after SCA
>> >> C++.
>> >> 2. Create a top level navigation for 'SCA lang extensions' just like
>> >> what
>> >> we have for SCA, SDO, DAS. It could contain overview, documentation,
>> >> download (maybe) entries. The challenge will then be how to separate
>> >> extensions provided on top of C++ or Java runtimes.
>> >>
>> >> Option 2 seems easier to navigate through.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On 11/6/06, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > You should be able to run build.bat and get the site-publish
>> >> > created.
>> >> >
>> >> > Also, rfeng had posted a snapshot of the site during today's IRC
>> chat,
>> >> > and
>> >> > it's available at :
>> >> > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/
>> >> >
>> >> > PS.: I think I like the greenish version better then the new
>> colors...
>> >> >
>> >> > - Luciano Resende
>> >> >
>> >> > On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > >
>> >> > > Hi Venkat,
>> >> > > There is no site-publish directory in this zip file. How do I look
>> at
>> >> > the
>> >> > > content?
>> >> > > Haleh
>> >> > >
>> >> > >
>> >> > > On 11/6/06, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Hi,
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > I have put in a new zip file -
>> >> > > > tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip<
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >>
>> http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12344405/tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip
>> >>
>> >> >
>> >> > > > >in
>> >> > > > the JIRA (
>> >> > > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703) containing the
>> >> > updates
>> >> > > > to
>> >> > > > the look and feel. I have linked up all (hopefully) the content
>> >> > that
>> >> > > > exists
>> >> > > > today. If people find this agreeable I can commit this and we
>> can
>> >> > start
>> >> > > > pushing in contents into various areas from now on.
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > Raymond, could you please over write your last post on
>> >> > > > people.apache.orgwith the contents of this zip file. Thanks
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > - Venkat
>> >> > > >
>> >> > > > On 11/4/06, haleh mahbod <hmahbod@gmail.com > wrote:
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Hi,
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Information presented on the website needs to be progressive.
>> >> This
>> >> > > means
>> >> > > > > that we expose critical/interesting information as top level
>> >> > > > information
>> >> > > > > and allow the reader to learn more as they advance.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > I agree that it is interesting for users and developers to
>> >> > > > > know
>> >> > > > > about SCA's
>> >> > > > > flexibility to extend beyond Java and C++ at the first glance.
>> >> > This is
>> >> > > > > something we'd want to promote as a top level piece of
>> >> information
>> >> > on
>> >> > > > the
>> >> > > > > website.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > On the other hand, information about bindings seem to be
>> >> > > implementation
>> >> > > > > details that are not critical as a top level information. User
>> >> > will
>> >> > > > reach
>> >> > > > > to
>> >> > > > > this information when he/she drills down for more information.
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > Haleh
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Hi,
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Please find my comments inline. Thanks
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > - Venkat
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > On 11/3/06, Andrew Borley <aj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > For SCA, I'd like to see a little more emphasis on the
>> things
>> >> > we
>> >> > > > > > > support in our releases - Tuscany SCA does more than just
>> C++
>> >> > or
>> >> > > > Java,
>> >> > > > > > > and the fact that we implement in these 2 languages
>> >> > > > > > > doesn't
>> >> > really
>> >> > > > > > > need to be quite so highlighted on the site (IMO).
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > If we have more than just Java and C++ lets go and mention
>> >> that,
>> >> > but
>> >> > > > > under
>> >> > > > > > SCA - is all that I am asking. So that a user knows where
>> all
>> >> > of
>> >> > > this
>> >> > > > > > goes
>> >> > > > > > into or what the common thread is to all of this. Remember
>> we
>> >> > also
>> >> > > > have
>> >> > > > > > DAS
>> >> > > > > > and SDO.
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > What would be cool
>> >> > > > > > > would be a listing of all the stuff we support, and then
>> link
>> >> > to
>> >> > > > some
>> >> > > > > > > info about where and how we provide that support. E.g:
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > Component language bindings:
>> >> > > > > > > Java
>> >> > > > > > > C++
>> >> > > > > > > Javascript
>> >> > > > > > > Python
>> >> > > > > > > Ruby
>> >> > > > > > > PHP (with a link to the SCA for PHP project for now)
>> >> > > > > > > etc..
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > Containers:
>> >> > > > > > > Tomcat
>> >> > > > > > > HTTPD
>> >> > > > > > > etc..
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > Bindings:
>> >> > > > > > > Axis2 Web Services
>> >> > > > > > > etc..
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > What do people think?
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > This will certainly interest the users.. but what's in your
>> >> mind
>> >> > > about
>> >> > > > > > presenting this.. are you suggesting that we simply list all
>> of
>> >> > this
>> >> > > > on
>> >> > > > > > the
>> >> > > > > > Navigation Pane on the left?
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > Andy
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > > Hi
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Thanks Everbody for looking into this and providing your
>> >> > > comments.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Rick, I am ok with the Tabs as long as we provide
>> enhanced
>> >> > user
>> >> > > > > > > experience
>> >> > > > > > > > thro them. We must either have the tabs or the pane on
>> the
>> >> > left
>> >> > > > for
>> >> > > > > > the
>> >> > > > > > > > first level navigation. i.e. For every tab selected the
>> >> > > > navigation
>> >> > > > > > pane
>> >> > > > > > > on
>> >> > > > > > > > the left has a diff set of relevant options. So if SCA
>> tab
>> >> > is
>> >> > > > > seleced
>> >> > > > > > > then
>> >> > > > > > > > on the left pane we see only stuff releated to SCA. I
>> >> would
>> >> >
>> >> > > feel
>> >> > > > > this
>> >> > > > > > > to be
>> >> > > > > > > > consistent and less confusing.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Lee and Raymond, it is no surprise that the links are
>> >> > > > > > > > not
>> >> > > working
>> >> > > > > > :). I
>> >> > > > > > > had
>> >> > > > > > > > submitted ahead that this is just to get a top level
>> >> feel of
>> >> > the
>> >> > > > > > > navigation
>> >> > > > > > > > I am proposing and the links may either not work or work
>> >> > > wrongly.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Meanwhile I am proceeding with the changes and will get
>> up
>> >> > more
>> >> > > > > > updates
>> >> > > > > > > on
>> >> > > > > > > > that JIRA before this weekend.
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > Thanks
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > - Venkat
>> >> > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Raymond Feng < enjoyjava@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Hi,
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > I uploaded Venkat's patch to
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/index.htmlfor
>> >> > > > > > > better
>> >> > > > > > > > > viewing. I found quite a few links bring me to the
>> wrong
>> >> > page.
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > I would suggest that we keep the GUI template (panes
>> and
>> >> > tabs)
>> >> > > > as
>> >> > > > > is
>> >> > > > > > > and
>> >> > > > > > > > > focus on adding more contents.
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
>> >> > > > > > > > > Raymond
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> >> > > > > > > > > From: "Venkata Krishnan" < for.svkrish@gmail.com>
>> >> > > > > > > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
>> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:33 AM
>> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tuscany Website Updates
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > Sure yes Ant. For the Documentation, as mentioned
>> >> > earlier,
>> >> > > I
>> >> > > > > plan
>> >> > > > > > > to
>> >> > > > > > > > > have
>> >> > > > > > > > > > separate pages for SCA Docs, SDO Docs. and DAS Docs.
>> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > Each of these pages will have a list of topics that
>> >> will
>> >> > > > further
>> >> > > > > > > link to
>> >> > > > > > > > > > separate pages. Here is something that I can
>> >> > > > > > > > > > imagine
>> >> > for
>> >> > > now
>> >> > > > > for
>> >> > > > > > > this.
>> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > 1) SCA Java Overview
>> >> > > > > > > > > > <will will have something in general about how we
>> >> > have
>> >> > > > > > > partitioned as
>> >> > > > > > > > > > APIs SPI Core etc.>
>> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > 2) SCA Java - Extensions
>> >> > > > > > > > > > <About extensions... Implementation Types,
>> Bindings
>> >> > and
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > > > > > general
>> >> > > > > > > > > > prog. model around loaders, buliders, invokers>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own impl. type and binding
>> >> > extensions>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > <Tuscany Implementatin Extensions>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > <JavaScript>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > <Groovy>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > <Ruby>
>> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > 3) SCA Java - DataBinding Facility
>> >> > > > > > > > > > <About DataBinding and its advantage>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own data bindings>
>> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > 4) Java SCA Runtimes and Application Deployment
>> >> > > > > > > > > > <Standalone>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > <WebApp>
>> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > 5) Java SCA Samples
>> >> > > > > > > > > > <Overview of samples available in SCA Java>
>> >> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own SCA Application>
>> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > So I guess, what you wish to do might go into one of
>> >> the
>> >> > > lind
>> >> > > > > uder
>> >> > > > > > > Topic
>> >> > > > > > > > > > 2.
>> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > Please feel free to correct this or fill in if I
>> >> > > > > > > > > > have
>> >> > > grossly
>> >> > > > > > missed
>> >> > > > > > > out
>> >> > > > > > > > > > on
>> >> > > > > > > > > > somethings.
>> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks
>> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > - Venkat
>> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > > On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > On 11/2/06, Venkata Krishnan
>> >> <for.svkrish@gmail.com >
>> >> > > wrote:
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Hi,
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > I am putting up some proposals for updates to
>> our
>> >> > > website
>> >> > > > > and
>> >> > > > > > > > > request
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > feedback on this or suggestions for the better.
>> >> > Right
>> >> > > > > away
>> >> > > > > > > some
>> >> > > > > > > > > top
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > level
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > ones are:
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > - Do away with the tabs. This is because I
>> don't
>> >> > see
>> >> > > > > > > correlation
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > between
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > the Tab options and the options on the
>> navigation
>> >> > pane
>> >> > > in
>> >> > > > > the
>> >> > > > > > > left.
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> i.e
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > . if
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > the tabs are first level navigation then the
>> pane
>> >> > on
>> >> > > the
>> >> > > > > left
>> >> > > > > > > must
>> >> > > > > > > > > be
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > sub-options within a selected tab - I don't see
>> >> > such a
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> correlation. So
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > let's avoid confusion to the website visitor
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > - There is lots of green :) and am having some
>> >> > > > difficulties
>> >> > > > > > to
>> >> > > > > > > get
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > additional colors that gel with this. Either
>> >> > somebody
>> >> > > > with
>> >> > > > > > > better
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > colour
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > sense helps or we moderate the green a bit.
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > - The images that are used for the Navigation
>> >> > Optoins
>> >> > > on
>> >> > > > > the
>> >> > > > > > > left
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > pane
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > and
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > for the titles of various boxes may need to be
>> >> > > sharpened
>> >> > > > a
>> >> > > > > > bit
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > All this besides the fact the the various
>> >> > navigations
>> >> > > > paths
>> >> > > > > > > need to
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > be
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > reviewed and set right. I shall get to these
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > as
>> >> > well.
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Meanwhile I have created a JIRA
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> >> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703where
>> >> > > I
>> >> > > > > have
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> attempted
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > to
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > provide a view of what's in my mind for the
>> >> > Navigation
>> >> > > > Pane
>> >> > > > > > on
>> >> > > > > > > the
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> left
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > together with some changes for the Downloads
>> page.
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > You simply have to extract the zip that is
>> >> attached
>> >> > in
>> >> > > > that
>> >> > > > > > > JIRA
>> >> > > > > > > > > and
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > take a
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > look at /site-publish/downloads.html.
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Also, I have a diagram posted for the Java_SCA
>> >> > Overview
>> >> > > > in
>> >> > > > > > the
>> >> > > > > > > same
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > JIRA,
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > please see if you can say somethings about that
>> as
>> >> > > well.
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks.
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > - Venkat
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Its really good you're looking at the website
>> >> Venkat,
>> >> > it
>> >> > > > has
>> >> > > > > > > become a
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> bit
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > neglected. What you've suggested above all sounds
>> >> > good to
>> >> > > > me,
>> >> > > > > > I'd
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> suggest
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > just going ahead and making changes as you think
>> >> > > > appropriate
>> >> > > > > as
>> >> > > > > > > that
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> will be
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > much easier for you. Maybe for big ones mention
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > on
>> >> > the
>> >> > > dev
>> >> > > > > list
>> >> > > > > > > first
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> but
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > otherwise just dive in and send emails after the
>> >> fact
>> >> > so
>> >> > > > > others
>> >> > > > > > > can
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> review -
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> > just as with the code CTR not RTC :)
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> >> > > > > > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> I meant to add, I'd like to help, specifically with
>> >> > adding
>> >> > > > > pages
>> >> > > > > > > with
>> >> > > > > > > > > doc
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> about the various extensions, maybe along the lines
>> of
>> >> > that
>> >> > > > > > example
>> >> > > > > > > i
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> posted
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> earlier [1]. Could you find a space for me on the
>> >> > website
>> >> > > for
>> >> > > > > me
>> >> > > > > > to
>> >> > > > > > > do
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> that?
>> >> > > > > > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> ...ant
>> >> > > > > > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > > > > > >> [1]
>> >> > > > > > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > > > > > >>
>> >> > > > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > > >
>> >> > > > > >
>> >> > > > >
>> >> > > >
>> >> > >
>> >> >
>> >>
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Re: Tuscany Website Updates
Posted by Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Thanks for the inputs. Theres good news for all of you - the popular GREEN
is back. I have attached the modified zip as before in the JIRA
http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703. Please build it and take
a look.
Raymond, as before could you please overwrite the contents of this zip to
people.apache.org where the earlier ones were posted. Thanks.
Luciano, I have brought back the Documenation link and have put back that
page too. Please feel free to modify or add what you might think fits there
best. I am not able to think of anything that cannot fall in any of sca,
das or sdo and which should go to this general page.
Rick, I am not yet convinced about the tabs. Yet, if people still want them,
it can be done with a few uncommenting - its not wipe out for good :).
Thanks.
- Venkat
On 11/9/06, Rick <cr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I agree with the color, my experience is that it sets a theme using
> different
> shades and usually matches the logo. If we switch to this brown we
> should
> switch the Tuscany logo there too.
>
> As for the top tabs from an aesthetics view I liked them and they add
> another
> dimension to the site. It seems most sites incorporate them maybe for
> this very
> reason. From a functional view maybe they should have been rethought. I
> don't
> buy into the argument that they need to work left panel as I can find
> sites that
> have them where they don't link to left tabs; they're just another view
> mostly
> to quickly get to pages people are interested in or we want to high light.
> Maybe the current two dimensional aspect of them was too much. I could
> see on
> the top row having tabs for: "Home", "News", "Getting Started", "FAQ",
> "Downloads". Take a look at the apache Geronimo site
> http://geronimo.apache.org/index.html as an idea of what I'm talking
> about.
>
>
>
> haleh mahbod wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > I have been checking the new website that is published at this link
> > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ on several
> different
> > occasions to see if I can adapt to the new coloring. I think our
> current
> > site color combo (http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/) is much more
> > inviting and easier on the eyes. what does everyone else think?
> >
> > I am copying tuscany users on this mail to get your input. The prototype
> at
> > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ has changed the
> > layout of the website and got rid of the tabs. Is this easier to follow?
> > Your feedback to make the site more user friendly is important to us.
> Thank
> > you for taking the time to give feedback.
> >
> > Haleh
> >
> >
> > On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> Venkat,
> >> Thanks for the website work. It looks better and is easier to navigate
> >> through.
> >>
> >> Minor comments
> >> - We already mention that Tuscany is under Apache License 2.0 in the
> >> overview. It does not seem necessary to have an entry called license
> >> and ASF
> >> under General section.
> >> - Down load page should contain an entry that describes content of each
> >> release. For example, what is in SCA Java M1.
> >> - Can FAQ be a link to Wiki? It would be easier to update by anyone.
> >>
> >> - How to Add info about SCA extensions?
> >> 1. Add Extension entry to SCA navigation tab on the left after SCA C++.
> >> 2. Create a top level navigation for 'SCA lang extensions' just like
> >> what
> >> we have for SCA, SDO, DAS. It could contain overview, documentation,
> >> download (maybe) entries. The challenge will then be how to separate
> >> extensions provided on top of C++ or Java runtimes.
> >>
> >> Option 2 seems easier to navigate through.
> >>
> >>
> >> On 11/6/06, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > You should be able to run build.bat and get the site-publish created.
> >> >
> >> > Also, rfeng had posted a snapshot of the site during today's IRC
> chat,
> >> > and
> >> > it's available at :
> >> > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/
> >> >
> >> > PS.: I think I like the greenish version better then the new
> colors...
> >> >
> >> > - Luciano Resende
> >> >
> >> > On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > >
> >> > > Hi Venkat,
> >> > > There is no site-publish directory in this zip file. How do I look
> at
> >> > the
> >> > > content?
> >> > > Haleh
> >> > >
> >> > >
> >> > > On 11/6/06, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Hi,
> >> > > >
> >> > > > I have put in a new zip file -
> >> > > > tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip<
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >>
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12344405/tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip
> >>
> >> >
> >> > > > >in
> >> > > > the JIRA (
> >> > > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703) containing the
> >> > updates
> >> > > > to
> >> > > > the look and feel. I have linked up all (hopefully) the content
> >> > that
> >> > > > exists
> >> > > > today. If people find this agreeable I can commit this and we
> can
> >> > start
> >> > > > pushing in contents into various areas from now on.
> >> > > >
> >> > > > Raymond, could you please over write your last post on
> >> > > > people.apache.orgwith the contents of this zip file. Thanks
> >> > > >
> >> > > > - Venkat
> >> > > >
> >> > > > On 11/4/06, haleh mahbod <hmahbod@gmail.com > wrote:
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Hi,
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Information presented on the website needs to be progressive.
> >> This
> >> > > means
> >> > > > > that we expose critical/interesting information as top level
> >> > > > information
> >> > > > > and allow the reader to learn more as they advance.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > I agree that it is interesting for users and developers to know
> >> > > > > about SCA's
> >> > > > > flexibility to extend beyond Java and C++ at the first glance.
> >> > This is
> >> > > > > something we'd want to promote as a top level piece of
> >> information
> >> > on
> >> > > > the
> >> > > > > website.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On the other hand, information about bindings seem to be
> >> > > implementation
> >> > > > > details that are not critical as a top level information. User
> >> > will
> >> > > > reach
> >> > > > > to
> >> > > > > this information when he/she drills down for more information.
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > Haleh
> >> > > > >
> >> > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Hi,
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Please find my comments inline. Thanks
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > - Venkat
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > On 11/3/06, Andrew Borley <aj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > For SCA, I'd like to see a little more emphasis on the
> things
> >> > we
> >> > > > > > > support in our releases - Tuscany SCA does more than just
> C++
> >> > or
> >> > > > Java,
> >> > > > > > > and the fact that we implement in these 2 languages doesn't
> >> > really
> >> > > > > > > need to be quite so highlighted on the site (IMO).
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > If we have more than just Java and C++ lets go and mention
> >> that,
> >> > but
> >> > > > > under
> >> > > > > > SCA - is all that I am asking. So that a user knows where
> all
> >> > of
> >> > > this
> >> > > > > > goes
> >> > > > > > into or what the common thread is to all of this. Remember
> we
> >> > also
> >> > > > have
> >> > > > > > DAS
> >> > > > > > and SDO.
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > What would be cool
> >> > > > > > > would be a listing of all the stuff we support, and then
> link
> >> > to
> >> > > > some
> >> > > > > > > info about where and how we provide that support. E.g:
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Component language bindings:
> >> > > > > > > Java
> >> > > > > > > C++
> >> > > > > > > Javascript
> >> > > > > > > Python
> >> > > > > > > Ruby
> >> > > > > > > PHP (with a link to the SCA for PHP project for now)
> >> > > > > > > etc..
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Containers:
> >> > > > > > > Tomcat
> >> > > > > > > HTTPD
> >> > > > > > > etc..
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > Bindings:
> >> > > > > > > Axis2 Web Services
> >> > > > > > > etc..
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > What do people think?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > This will certainly interest the users.. but what's in your
> >> mind
> >> > > about
> >> > > > > > presenting this.. are you suggesting that we simply list all
> of
> >> > this
> >> > > > on
> >> > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > Navigation Pane on the left?
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > > > Andy
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > Hi
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Thanks Everbody for looking into this and providing your
> >> > > comments.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Rick, I am ok with the Tabs as long as we provide
> enhanced
> >> > user
> >> > > > > > > experience
> >> > > > > > > > thro them. We must either have the tabs or the pane on
> the
> >> > left
> >> > > > for
> >> > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > first level navigation. i.e. For every tab selected the
> >> > > > navigation
> >> > > > > > pane
> >> > > > > > > on
> >> > > > > > > > the left has a diff set of relevant options. So if SCA
> tab
> >> > is
> >> > > > > seleced
> >> > > > > > > then
> >> > > > > > > > on the left pane we see only stuff releated to SCA. I
> >> would
> >> >
> >> > > feel
> >> > > > > this
> >> > > > > > > to be
> >> > > > > > > > consistent and less confusing.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Lee and Raymond, it is no surprise that the links are not
> >> > > working
> >> > > > > > :). I
> >> > > > > > > had
> >> > > > > > > > submitted ahead that this is just to get a top level
> >> feel of
> >> > the
> >> > > > > > > navigation
> >> > > > > > > > I am proposing and the links may either not work or work
> >> > > wrongly.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Meanwhile I am proceeding with the changes and will get
> up
> >> > more
> >> > > > > > updates
> >> > > > > > > on
> >> > > > > > > > that JIRA before this weekend.
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > Thanks
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > - Venkat
> >> > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Raymond Feng < enjoyjava@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Hi,
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > I uploaded Venkat's patch to
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > >
> http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/index.htmlfor
> >> > > > > > > better
> >> > > > > > > > > viewing. I found quite a few links bring me to the
> wrong
> >> > page.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > I would suggest that we keep the GUI template (panes
> and
> >> > tabs)
> >> > > > as
> >> > > > > is
> >> > > > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > > focus on adding more contents.
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> >> > > > > > > > > Raymond
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> >> > > > > > > > > From: "Venkata Krishnan" < for.svkrish@gmail.com>
> >> > > > > > > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> >> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:33 AM
> >> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tuscany Website Updates
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Sure yes Ant. For the Documentation, as mentioned
> >> > earlier,
> >> > > I
> >> > > > > plan
> >> > > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > have
> >> > > > > > > > > > separate pages for SCA Docs, SDO Docs. and DAS Docs.
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Each of these pages will have a list of topics that
> >> will
> >> > > > further
> >> > > > > > > link to
> >> > > > > > > > > > separate pages. Here is something that I can imagine
> >> > for
> >> > > now
> >> > > > > for
> >> > > > > > > this.
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > 1) SCA Java Overview
> >> > > > > > > > > > <will will have something in general about how we
> >> > have
> >> > > > > > > partitioned as
> >> > > > > > > > > > APIs SPI Core etc.>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > 2) SCA Java - Extensions
> >> > > > > > > > > > <About extensions... Implementation Types,
> Bindings
> >> > and
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > > > general
> >> > > > > > > > > > prog. model around loaders, buliders, invokers>
> >> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own impl. type and binding
> >> > extensions>
> >> > > > > > > > > > <Tuscany Implementatin Extensions>
> >> > > > > > > > > > <JavaScript>
> >> > > > > > > > > > <Groovy>
> >> > > > > > > > > > <Ruby>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > 3) SCA Java - DataBinding Facility
> >> > > > > > > > > > <About DataBinding and its advantage>
> >> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own data bindings>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > 4) Java SCA Runtimes and Application Deployment
> >> > > > > > > > > > <Standalone>
> >> > > > > > > > > > <WebApp>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > 5) Java SCA Samples
> >> > > > > > > > > > <Overview of samples available in SCA Java>
> >> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own SCA Application>
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > So I guess, what you wish to do might go into one of
> >> the
> >> > > lind
> >> > > > > uder
> >> > > > > > > Topic
> >> > > > > > > > > > 2.
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Please feel free to correct this or fill in if I have
> >> > > grossly
> >> > > > > > missed
> >> > > > > > > out
> >> > > > > > > > > > on
> >> > > > > > > > > > somethings.
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > - Venkat
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > > > > > On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > >> On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > On 11/2/06, Venkata Krishnan
> >> <for.svkrish@gmail.com >
> >> > > wrote:
> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Hi,
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > I am putting up some proposals for updates to
> our
> >> > > website
> >> > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > > request
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > feedback on this or suggestions for the better.
> >> > Right
> >> > > > > away
> >> > > > > > > some
> >> > > > > > > > > top
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > level
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > ones are:
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > - Do away with the tabs. This is because I
> don't
> >> > see
> >> > > > > > > correlation
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > between
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > the Tab options and the options on the
> navigation
> >> > pane
> >> > > in
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > left.
> >> > > > > > > > > >> i.e
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > . if
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > the tabs are first level navigation then the
> pane
> >> > on
> >> > > the
> >> > > > > left
> >> > > > > > > must
> >> > > > > > > > > be
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > sub-options within a selected tab - I don't see
> >> > such a
> >> > > > > > > > > >> correlation. So
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > let's avoid confusion to the website visitor
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > - There is lots of green :) and am having some
> >> > > > difficulties
> >> > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > get
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > additional colors that gel with this. Either
> >> > somebody
> >> > > > with
> >> > > > > > > better
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > colour
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > sense helps or we moderate the green a bit.
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > - The images that are used for the Navigation
> >> > Optoins
> >> > > on
> >> > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > left
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > pane
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > and
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > for the titles of various boxes may need to be
> >> > > sharpened
> >> > > > a
> >> > > > > > bit
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > All this besides the fact the the various
> >> > navigations
> >> > > > paths
> >> > > > > > > need to
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > be
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > reviewed and set right. I shall get to these as
> >> > well.
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Meanwhile I have created a JIRA
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> >> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703where
> >> > > I
> >> > > > > have
> >> > > > > > > > > >> attempted
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > to
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > provide a view of what's in my mind for the
> >> > Navigation
> >> > > > Pane
> >> > > > > > on
> >> > > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > > > >> left
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > together with some changes for the Downloads
> page.
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > You simply have to extract the zip that is
> >> attached
> >> > in
> >> > > > that
> >> > > > > > > JIRA
> >> > > > > > > > > and
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > take a
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > look at /site-publish/downloads.html.
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Also, I have a diagram posted for the Java_SCA
> >> > Overview
> >> > > > in
> >> > > > > > the
> >> > > > > > > same
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > JIRA,
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > please see if you can say somethings about that
> as
> >> > > well.
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks.
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > >
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > > - Venkat
> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > Its really good you're looking at the website
> >> Venkat,
> >> > it
> >> > > > has
> >> > > > > > > become a
> >> > > > > > > > > >> bit
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > neglected. What you've suggested above all sounds
> >> > good to
> >> > > > me,
> >> > > > > > I'd
> >> > > > > > > > > >> suggest
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > just going ahead and making changes as you think
> >> > > > appropriate
> >> > > > > as
> >> > > > > > > that
> >> > > > > > > > > >> will be
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > much easier for you. Maybe for big ones mention on
> >> > the
> >> > > dev
> >> > > > > list
> >> > > > > > > first
> >> > > > > > > > > >> but
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > otherwise just dive in and send emails after the
> >> fact
> >> > so
> >> > > > > others
> >> > > > > > > can
> >> > > > > > > > > >> review -
> >> > > > > > > > > >> > just as with the code CTR not RTC :)
> >> > > > > > > > > >> >
> >> > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > >> I meant to add, I'd like to help, specifically with
> >> > adding
> >> > > > > pages
> >> > > > > > > with
> >> > > > > > > > > doc
> >> > > > > > > > > >> about the various extensions, maybe along the lines
> of
> >> > that
> >> > > > > > example
> >> > > > > > > i
> >> > > > > > > > > >> posted
> >> > > > > > > > > >> earlier [1]. Could you find a space for me on the
> >> > website
> >> > > for
> >> > > > > me
> >> > > > > > to
> >> > > > > > > do
> >> > > > > > > > > >> that?
> >> > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > >> ...ant
> >> > > > > > > > > >>
> >> > > > > > > > > >> [1]
> >> > > > > > > > > >>
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> >> > > > > > > > >
> >> > > > > > >
> >> > > > > >
> >> > > > >
> >> > > >
> >> > >
> >> >
> >>
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Re: Tuscany Website Updates
Posted by Rick <cr...@gmail.com>.
I agree with the color, my experience is that it sets a theme using different
shades and usually matches the logo. If we switch to this brown we should
switch the Tuscany logo there too.
As for the top tabs from an aesthetics view I liked them and they add another
dimension to the site. It seems most sites incorporate them maybe for this very
reason. From a functional view maybe they should have been rethought. I don't
buy into the argument that they need to work left panel as I can find sites that
have them where they don't link to left tabs; they're just another view mostly
to quickly get to pages people are interested in or we want to high light.
Maybe the current two dimensional aspect of them was too much. I could see on
the top row having tabs for: "Home", "News", "Getting Started", "FAQ",
"Downloads". Take a look at the apache Geronimo site
http://geronimo.apache.org/index.html as an idea of what I'm talking about.
haleh mahbod wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been checking the new website that is published at this link
> http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ on several different
> occasions to see if I can adapt to the new coloring. I think our current
> site color combo (http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/) is much more
> inviting and easier on the eyes. what does everyone else think?
>
> I am copying tuscany users on this mail to get your input. The prototype at
> http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ has changed the
> layout of the website and got rid of the tabs. Is this easier to follow?
> Your feedback to make the site more user friendly is important to us. Thank
> you for taking the time to give feedback.
>
> Haleh
>
>
> On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Venkat,
>> Thanks for the website work. It looks better and is easier to navigate
>> through.
>>
>> Minor comments
>> - We already mention that Tuscany is under Apache License 2.0 in the
>> overview. It does not seem necessary to have an entry called license
>> and ASF
>> under General section.
>> - Down load page should contain an entry that describes content of each
>> release. For example, what is in SCA Java M1.
>> - Can FAQ be a link to Wiki? It would be easier to update by anyone.
>>
>> - How to Add info about SCA extensions?
>> 1. Add Extension entry to SCA navigation tab on the left after SCA C++.
>> 2. Create a top level navigation for 'SCA lang extensions' just like
>> what
>> we have for SCA, SDO, DAS. It could contain overview, documentation,
>> download (maybe) entries. The challenge will then be how to separate
>> extensions provided on top of C++ or Java runtimes.
>>
>> Option 2 seems easier to navigate through.
>>
>>
>> On 11/6/06, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > You should be able to run build.bat and get the site-publish created.
>> >
>> > Also, rfeng had posted a snapshot of the site during today's IRC chat,
>> > and
>> > it's available at :
>> > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/
>> >
>> > PS.: I think I like the greenish version better then the new colors...
>> >
>> > - Luciano Resende
>> >
>> > On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi Venkat,
>> > > There is no site-publish directory in this zip file. How do I look at
>> > the
>> > > content?
>> > > Haleh
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 11/6/06, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > >
>> > > > I have put in a new zip file -
>> > > > tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip<
>> > > >
>> > >
>> http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12344405/tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip
>>
>> >
>> > > > >in
>> > > > the JIRA (
>> > > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703) containing the
>> > updates
>> > > > to
>> > > > the look and feel. I have linked up all (hopefully) the content
>> > that
>> > > > exists
>> > > > today. If people find this agreeable I can commit this and we can
>> > start
>> > > > pushing in contents into various areas from now on.
>> > > >
>> > > > Raymond, could you please over write your last post on
>> > > > people.apache.orgwith the contents of this zip file. Thanks
>> > > >
>> > > > - Venkat
>> > > >
>> > > > On 11/4/06, haleh mahbod <hmahbod@gmail.com > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hi,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Information presented on the website needs to be progressive.
>> This
>> > > means
>> > > > > that we expose critical/interesting information as top level
>> > > > information
>> > > > > and allow the reader to learn more as they advance.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I agree that it is interesting for users and developers to know
>> > > > > about SCA's
>> > > > > flexibility to extend beyond Java and C++ at the first glance.
>> > This is
>> > > > > something we'd want to promote as a top level piece of
>> information
>> > on
>> > > > the
>> > > > > website.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On the other hand, information about bindings seem to be
>> > > implementation
>> > > > > details that are not critical as a top level information. User
>> > will
>> > > > reach
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > this information when he/she drills down for more information.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Haleh
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Hi,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Please find my comments inline. Thanks
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > - Venkat
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On 11/3/06, Andrew Borley <aj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > For SCA, I'd like to see a little more emphasis on the things
>> > we
>> > > > > > > support in our releases - Tuscany SCA does more than just C++
>> > or
>> > > > Java,
>> > > > > > > and the fact that we implement in these 2 languages doesn't
>> > really
>> > > > > > > need to be quite so highlighted on the site (IMO).
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If we have more than just Java and C++ lets go and mention
>> that,
>> > but
>> > > > > under
>> > > > > > SCA - is all that I am asking. So that a user knows where all
>> > of
>> > > this
>> > > > > > goes
>> > > > > > into or what the common thread is to all of this. Remember we
>> > also
>> > > > have
>> > > > > > DAS
>> > > > > > and SDO.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > What would be cool
>> > > > > > > would be a listing of all the stuff we support, and then link
>> > to
>> > > > some
>> > > > > > > info about where and how we provide that support. E.g:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Component language bindings:
>> > > > > > > Java
>> > > > > > > C++
>> > > > > > > Javascript
>> > > > > > > Python
>> > > > > > > Ruby
>> > > > > > > PHP (with a link to the SCA for PHP project for now)
>> > > > > > > etc..
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Containers:
>> > > > > > > Tomcat
>> > > > > > > HTTPD
>> > > > > > > etc..
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Bindings:
>> > > > > > > Axis2 Web Services
>> > > > > > > etc..
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > What do people think?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > This will certainly interest the users.. but what's in your
>> mind
>> > > about
>> > > > > > presenting this.. are you suggesting that we simply list all of
>> > this
>> > > > on
>> > > > > > the
>> > > > > > Navigation Pane on the left?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Andy
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > Hi
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Thanks Everbody for looking into this and providing your
>> > > comments.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Rick, I am ok with the Tabs as long as we provide enhanced
>> > user
>> > > > > > > experience
>> > > > > > > > thro them. We must either have the tabs or the pane on the
>> > left
>> > > > for
>> > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > first level navigation. i.e. For every tab selected the
>> > > > navigation
>> > > > > > pane
>> > > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > > the left has a diff set of relevant options. So if SCA tab
>> > is
>> > > > > seleced
>> > > > > > > then
>> > > > > > > > on the left pane we see only stuff releated to SCA. I
>> would
>> >
>> > > feel
>> > > > > this
>> > > > > > > to be
>> > > > > > > > consistent and less confusing.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Lee and Raymond, it is no surprise that the links are not
>> > > working
>> > > > > > :). I
>> > > > > > > had
>> > > > > > > > submitted ahead that this is just to get a top level
>> feel of
>> > the
>> > > > > > > navigation
>> > > > > > > > I am proposing and the links may either not work or work
>> > > wrongly.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Meanwhile I am proceeding with the changes and will get up
>> > more
>> > > > > > updates
>> > > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > > that JIRA before this weekend.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Thanks
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > - Venkat
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Raymond Feng < enjoyjava@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Hi,
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > I uploaded Venkat's patch to
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/index.htmlfor
>> > > > > > > better
>> > > > > > > > > viewing. I found quite a few links bring me to the wrong
>> > page.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > I would suggest that we keep the GUI template (panes and
>> > tabs)
>> > > > as
>> > > > > is
>> > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > focus on adding more contents.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > > > > > Raymond
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > > > > > From: "Venkata Krishnan" < for.svkrish@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
>> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:33 AM
>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tuscany Website Updates
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Sure yes Ant. For the Documentation, as mentioned
>> > earlier,
>> > > I
>> > > > > plan
>> > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > have
>> > > > > > > > > > separate pages for SCA Docs, SDO Docs. and DAS Docs.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Each of these pages will have a list of topics that
>> will
>> > > > further
>> > > > > > > link to
>> > > > > > > > > > separate pages. Here is something that I can imagine
>> > for
>> > > now
>> > > > > for
>> > > > > > > this.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > 1) SCA Java Overview
>> > > > > > > > > > <will will have something in general about how we
>> > have
>> > > > > > > partitioned as
>> > > > > > > > > > APIs SPI Core etc.>
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > 2) SCA Java - Extensions
>> > > > > > > > > > <About extensions... Implementation Types, Bindings
>> > and
>> > > the
>> > > > > > > general
>> > > > > > > > > > prog. model around loaders, buliders, invokers>
>> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own impl. type and binding
>> > extensions>
>> > > > > > > > > > <Tuscany Implementatin Extensions>
>> > > > > > > > > > <JavaScript>
>> > > > > > > > > > <Groovy>
>> > > > > > > > > > <Ruby>
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > 3) SCA Java - DataBinding Facility
>> > > > > > > > > > <About DataBinding and its advantage>
>> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own data bindings>
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > 4) Java SCA Runtimes and Application Deployment
>> > > > > > > > > > <Standalone>
>> > > > > > > > > > <WebApp>
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > 5) Java SCA Samples
>> > > > > > > > > > <Overview of samples available in SCA Java>
>> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own SCA Application>
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > So I guess, what you wish to do might go into one of
>> the
>> > > lind
>> > > > > uder
>> > > > > > > Topic
>> > > > > > > > > > 2.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Please feel free to correct this or fill in if I have
>> > > grossly
>> > > > > > missed
>> > > > > > > out
>> > > > > > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > > > > somethings.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Thanks
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > - Venkat
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > On 11/2/06, Venkata Krishnan
>> <for.svkrish@gmail.com >
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > Hi,
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > I am putting up some proposals for updates to our
>> > > website
>> > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > request
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > feedback on this or suggestions for the better.
>> > Right
>> > > > > away
>> > > > > > > some
>> > > > > > > > > top
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > level
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > ones are:
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > - Do away with the tabs. This is because I don't
>> > see
>> > > > > > > correlation
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > between
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > the Tab options and the options on the navigation
>> > pane
>> > > in
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > left.
>> > > > > > > > > >> i.e
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > . if
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > the tabs are first level navigation then the pane
>> > on
>> > > the
>> > > > > left
>> > > > > > > must
>> > > > > > > > > be
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > sub-options within a selected tab - I don't see
>> > such a
>> > > > > > > > > >> correlation. So
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > let's avoid confusion to the website visitor
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > - There is lots of green :) and am having some
>> > > > difficulties
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > get
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > additional colors that gel with this. Either
>> > somebody
>> > > > with
>> > > > > > > better
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > colour
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > sense helps or we moderate the green a bit.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > - The images that are used for the Navigation
>> > Optoins
>> > > on
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > left
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > pane
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > and
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > for the titles of various boxes may need to be
>> > > sharpened
>> > > > a
>> > > > > > bit
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > All this besides the fact the the various
>> > navigations
>> > > > paths
>> > > > > > > need to
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > be
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > reviewed and set right. I shall get to these as
>> > well.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > Meanwhile I have created a JIRA
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703where
>> > > I
>> > > > > have
>> > > > > > > > > >> attempted
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > provide a view of what's in my mind for the
>> > Navigation
>> > > > Pane
>> > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > >> left
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > together with some changes for the Downloads page.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > You simply have to extract the zip that is
>> attached
>> > in
>> > > > that
>> > > > > > > JIRA
>> > > > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > take a
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > look at /site-publish/downloads.html.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > Also, I have a diagram posted for the Java_SCA
>> > Overview
>> > > > in
>> > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > same
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > JIRA,
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > please see if you can say somethings about that as
>> > > well.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > - Venkat
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > Its really good you're looking at the website
>> Venkat,
>> > it
>> > > > has
>> > > > > > > become a
>> > > > > > > > > >> bit
>> > > > > > > > > >> > neglected. What you've suggested above all sounds
>> > good to
>> > > > me,
>> > > > > > I'd
>> > > > > > > > > >> suggest
>> > > > > > > > > >> > just going ahead and making changes as you think
>> > > > appropriate
>> > > > > as
>> > > > > > > that
>> > > > > > > > > >> will be
>> > > > > > > > > >> > much easier for you. Maybe for big ones mention on
>> > the
>> > > dev
>> > > > > list
>> > > > > > > first
>> > > > > > > > > >> but
>> > > > > > > > > >> > otherwise just dive in and send emails after the
>> fact
>> > so
>> > > > > others
>> > > > > > > can
>> > > > > > > > > >> review -
>> > > > > > > > > >> > just as with the code CTR not RTC :)
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> I meant to add, I'd like to help, specifically with
>> > adding
>> > > > > pages
>> > > > > > > with
>> > > > > > > > > doc
>> > > > > > > > > >> about the various extensions, maybe along the lines of
>> > that
>> > > > > > example
>> > > > > > > i
>> > > > > > > > > >> posted
>> > > > > > > > > >> earlier [1]. Could you find a space for me on the
>> > website
>> > > for
>> > > > > me
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > do
>> > > > > > > > > >> that?
>> > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> ...ant
>> > > > > > > > > >>
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>> > >
>> >
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Re: Tuscany Website Updates
Posted by Rick <cr...@gmail.com>.
I agree with the color, my experience is that it sets a theme using different
shades and usually matches the logo. If we switch to this brown we should
switch the Tuscany logo there too.
As for the top tabs from an aesthetics view I liked them and they add another
dimension to the site. It seems most sites incorporate them maybe for this very
reason. From a functional view maybe they should have been rethought. I don't
buy into the argument that they need to work left panel as I can find sites that
have them where they don't link to left tabs; they're just another view mostly
to quickly get to pages people are interested in or we want to high light.
Maybe the current two dimensional aspect of them was too much. I could see on
the top row having tabs for: "Home", "News", "Getting Started", "FAQ",
"Downloads". Take a look at the apache Geronimo site
http://geronimo.apache.org/index.html as an idea of what I'm talking about.
haleh mahbod wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I have been checking the new website that is published at this link
> http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ on several different
> occasions to see if I can adapt to the new coloring. I think our current
> site color combo (http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/) is much more
> inviting and easier on the eyes. what does everyone else think?
>
> I am copying tuscany users on this mail to get your input. The prototype at
> http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ has changed the
> layout of the website and got rid of the tabs. Is this easier to follow?
> Your feedback to make the site more user friendly is important to us. Thank
> you for taking the time to give feedback.
>
> Haleh
>
>
> On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Venkat,
>> Thanks for the website work. It looks better and is easier to navigate
>> through.
>>
>> Minor comments
>> - We already mention that Tuscany is under Apache License 2.0 in the
>> overview. It does not seem necessary to have an entry called license
>> and ASF
>> under General section.
>> - Down load page should contain an entry that describes content of each
>> release. For example, what is in SCA Java M1.
>> - Can FAQ be a link to Wiki? It would be easier to update by anyone.
>>
>> - How to Add info about SCA extensions?
>> 1. Add Extension entry to SCA navigation tab on the left after SCA C++.
>> 2. Create a top level navigation for 'SCA lang extensions' just like
>> what
>> we have for SCA, SDO, DAS. It could contain overview, documentation,
>> download (maybe) entries. The challenge will then be how to separate
>> extensions provided on top of C++ or Java runtimes.
>>
>> Option 2 seems easier to navigate through.
>>
>>
>> On 11/6/06, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > You should be able to run build.bat and get the site-publish created.
>> >
>> > Also, rfeng had posted a snapshot of the site during today's IRC chat,
>> > and
>> > it's available at :
>> > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/
>> >
>> > PS.: I think I like the greenish version better then the new colors...
>> >
>> > - Luciano Resende
>> >
>> > On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Hi Venkat,
>> > > There is no site-publish directory in this zip file. How do I look at
>> > the
>> > > content?
>> > > Haleh
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > On 11/6/06, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > >
>> > > > Hi,
>> > > >
>> > > > I have put in a new zip file -
>> > > > tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip<
>> > > >
>> > >
>> http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12344405/tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip
>>
>> >
>> > > > >in
>> > > > the JIRA (
>> > > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703) containing the
>> > updates
>> > > > to
>> > > > the look and feel. I have linked up all (hopefully) the content
>> > that
>> > > > exists
>> > > > today. If people find this agreeable I can commit this and we can
>> > start
>> > > > pushing in contents into various areas from now on.
>> > > >
>> > > > Raymond, could you please over write your last post on
>> > > > people.apache.orgwith the contents of this zip file. Thanks
>> > > >
>> > > > - Venkat
>> > > >
>> > > > On 11/4/06, haleh mahbod <hmahbod@gmail.com > wrote:
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Hi,
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Information presented on the website needs to be progressive.
>> This
>> > > means
>> > > > > that we expose critical/interesting information as top level
>> > > > information
>> > > > > and allow the reader to learn more as they advance.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > I agree that it is interesting for users and developers to know
>> > > > > about SCA's
>> > > > > flexibility to extend beyond Java and C++ at the first glance.
>> > This is
>> > > > > something we'd want to promote as a top level piece of
>> information
>> > on
>> > > > the
>> > > > > website.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On the other hand, information about bindings seem to be
>> > > implementation
>> > > > > details that are not critical as a top level information. User
>> > will
>> > > > reach
>> > > > > to
>> > > > > this information when he/she drills down for more information.
>> > > > >
>> > > > > Haleh
>> > > > >
>> > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Hi,
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Please find my comments inline. Thanks
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > - Venkat
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > On 11/3/06, Andrew Borley <aj...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > For SCA, I'd like to see a little more emphasis on the things
>> > we
>> > > > > > > support in our releases - Tuscany SCA does more than just C++
>> > or
>> > > > Java,
>> > > > > > > and the fact that we implement in these 2 languages doesn't
>> > really
>> > > > > > > need to be quite so highlighted on the site (IMO).
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > If we have more than just Java and C++ lets go and mention
>> that,
>> > but
>> > > > > under
>> > > > > > SCA - is all that I am asking. So that a user knows where all
>> > of
>> > > this
>> > > > > > goes
>> > > > > > into or what the common thread is to all of this. Remember we
>> > also
>> > > > have
>> > > > > > DAS
>> > > > > > and SDO.
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > What would be cool
>> > > > > > > would be a listing of all the stuff we support, and then link
>> > to
>> > > > some
>> > > > > > > info about where and how we provide that support. E.g:
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Component language bindings:
>> > > > > > > Java
>> > > > > > > C++
>> > > > > > > Javascript
>> > > > > > > Python
>> > > > > > > Ruby
>> > > > > > > PHP (with a link to the SCA for PHP project for now)
>> > > > > > > etc..
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Containers:
>> > > > > > > Tomcat
>> > > > > > > HTTPD
>> > > > > > > etc..
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > Bindings:
>> > > > > > > Axis2 Web Services
>> > > > > > > etc..
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > What do people think?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > This will certainly interest the users.. but what's in your
>> mind
>> > > about
>> > > > > > presenting this.. are you suggesting that we simply list all of
>> > this
>> > > > on
>> > > > > > the
>> > > > > > Navigation Pane on the left?
>> > > > > >
>> > > > > > Andy
>> > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > Hi
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Thanks Everbody for looking into this and providing your
>> > > comments.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Rick, I am ok with the Tabs as long as we provide enhanced
>> > user
>> > > > > > > experience
>> > > > > > > > thro them. We must either have the tabs or the pane on the
>> > left
>> > > > for
>> > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > first level navigation. i.e. For every tab selected the
>> > > > navigation
>> > > > > > pane
>> > > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > > the left has a diff set of relevant options. So if SCA tab
>> > is
>> > > > > seleced
>> > > > > > > then
>> > > > > > > > on the left pane we see only stuff releated to SCA. I
>> would
>> >
>> > > feel
>> > > > > this
>> > > > > > > to be
>> > > > > > > > consistent and less confusing.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Lee and Raymond, it is no surprise that the links are not
>> > > working
>> > > > > > :). I
>> > > > > > > had
>> > > > > > > > submitted ahead that this is just to get a top level
>> feel of
>> > the
>> > > > > > > navigation
>> > > > > > > > I am proposing and the links may either not work or work
>> > > wrongly.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Meanwhile I am proceeding with the changes and will get up
>> > more
>> > > > > > updates
>> > > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > > that JIRA before this weekend.
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > Thanks
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > - Venkat
>> > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Raymond Feng < enjoyjava@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Hi,
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > I uploaded Venkat's patch to
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/index.htmlfor
>> > > > > > > better
>> > > > > > > > > viewing. I found quite a few links bring me to the wrong
>> > page.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > I would suggest that we keep the GUI template (panes and
>> > tabs)
>> > > > as
>> > > > > is
>> > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > focus on adding more contents.
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > Thanks,
>> > > > > > > > > Raymond
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
>> > > > > > > > > From: "Venkata Krishnan" < for.svkrish@gmail.com>
>> > > > > > > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
>> > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:33 AM
>> > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tuscany Website Updates
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Sure yes Ant. For the Documentation, as mentioned
>> > earlier,
>> > > I
>> > > > > plan
>> > > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > > > have
>> > > > > > > > > > separate pages for SCA Docs, SDO Docs. and DAS Docs.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Each of these pages will have a list of topics that
>> will
>> > > > further
>> > > > > > > link to
>> > > > > > > > > > separate pages. Here is something that I can imagine
>> > for
>> > > now
>> > > > > for
>> > > > > > > this.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > 1) SCA Java Overview
>> > > > > > > > > > <will will have something in general about how we
>> > have
>> > > > > > > partitioned as
>> > > > > > > > > > APIs SPI Core etc.>
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > 2) SCA Java - Extensions
>> > > > > > > > > > <About extensions... Implementation Types, Bindings
>> > and
>> > > the
>> > > > > > > general
>> > > > > > > > > > prog. model around loaders, buliders, invokers>
>> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own impl. type and binding
>> > extensions>
>> > > > > > > > > > <Tuscany Implementatin Extensions>
>> > > > > > > > > > <JavaScript>
>> > > > > > > > > > <Groovy>
>> > > > > > > > > > <Ruby>
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > 3) SCA Java - DataBinding Facility
>> > > > > > > > > > <About DataBinding and its advantage>
>> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own data bindings>
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > 4) Java SCA Runtimes and Application Deployment
>> > > > > > > > > > <Standalone>
>> > > > > > > > > > <WebApp>
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > 5) Java SCA Samples
>> > > > > > > > > > <Overview of samples available in SCA Java>
>> > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own SCA Application>
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > So I guess, what you wish to do might go into one of
>> the
>> > > lind
>> > > > > uder
>> > > > > > > Topic
>> > > > > > > > > > 2.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Please feel free to correct this or fill in if I have
>> > > grossly
>> > > > > > missed
>> > > > > > > out
>> > > > > > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > > > > somethings.
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > Thanks
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > - Venkat
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > >
>> > > > > > > > > > On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > On 11/2/06, Venkata Krishnan
>> <for.svkrish@gmail.com >
>> > > wrote:
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > Hi,
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > I am putting up some proposals for updates to our
>> > > website
>> > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > request
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > feedback on this or suggestions for the better.
>> > Right
>> > > > > away
>> > > > > > > some
>> > > > > > > > > top
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > level
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > ones are:
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > - Do away with the tabs. This is because I don't
>> > see
>> > > > > > > correlation
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > between
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > the Tab options and the options on the navigation
>> > pane
>> > > in
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > left.
>> > > > > > > > > >> i.e
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > . if
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > the tabs are first level navigation then the pane
>> > on
>> > > the
>> > > > > left
>> > > > > > > must
>> > > > > > > > > be
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > sub-options within a selected tab - I don't see
>> > such a
>> > > > > > > > > >> correlation. So
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > let's avoid confusion to the website visitor
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > - There is lots of green :) and am having some
>> > > > difficulties
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > get
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > additional colors that gel with this. Either
>> > somebody
>> > > > with
>> > > > > > > better
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > colour
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > sense helps or we moderate the green a bit.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > - The images that are used for the Navigation
>> > Optoins
>> > > on
>> > > > > the
>> > > > > > > left
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > pane
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > and
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > for the titles of various boxes may need to be
>> > > sharpened
>> > > > a
>> > > > > > bit
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > All this besides the fact the the various
>> > navigations
>> > > > paths
>> > > > > > > need to
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > be
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > reviewed and set right. I shall get to these as
>> > well.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > Meanwhile I have created a JIRA
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703where
>> > > I
>> > > > > have
>> > > > > > > > > >> attempted
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > to
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > provide a view of what's in my mind for the
>> > Navigation
>> > > > Pane
>> > > > > > on
>> > > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > > > >> left
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > together with some changes for the Downloads page.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > You simply have to extract the zip that is
>> attached
>> > in
>> > > > that
>> > > > > > > JIRA
>> > > > > > > > > and
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > take a
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > look at /site-publish/downloads.html.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > Also, I have a diagram posted for the Java_SCA
>> > Overview
>> > > > in
>> > > > > > the
>> > > > > > > same
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > JIRA,
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > please see if you can say somethings about that as
>> > > well.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks.
>> > > > > > > > > >> > >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > > - Venkat
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >> > Its really good you're looking at the website
>> Venkat,
>> > it
>> > > > has
>> > > > > > > become a
>> > > > > > > > > >> bit
>> > > > > > > > > >> > neglected. What you've suggested above all sounds
>> > good to
>> > > > me,
>> > > > > > I'd
>> > > > > > > > > >> suggest
>> > > > > > > > > >> > just going ahead and making changes as you think
>> > > > appropriate
>> > > > > as
>> > > > > > > that
>> > > > > > > > > >> will be
>> > > > > > > > > >> > much easier for you. Maybe for big ones mention on
>> > the
>> > > dev
>> > > > > list
>> > > > > > > first
>> > > > > > > > > >> but
>> > > > > > > > > >> > otherwise just dive in and send emails after the
>> fact
>> > so
>> > > > > others
>> > > > > > > can
>> > > > > > > > > >> review -
>> > > > > > > > > >> > just as with the code CTR not RTC :)
>> > > > > > > > > >> >
>> > > > > > > > > >>
>> > > > > > > > > >> I meant to add, I'd like to help, specifically with
>> > adding
>> > > > > pages
>> > > > > > > with
>> > > > > > > > > doc
>> > > > > > > > > >> about the various extensions, maybe along the lines of
>> > that
>> > > > > > example
>> > > > > > > i
>> > > > > > > > > >> posted
>> > > > > > > > > >> earlier [1]. Could you find a space for me on the
>> > website
>> > > for
>> > > > > me
>> > > > > > to
>> > > > > > > do
>> > > > > > > > > >> that?
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Re: Tuscany Website Updates
Posted by Katja <kr...@gmx.de>.
Hi!
Just a short feedback:
I think the new design is a lot easier to understand. I never used the tabs in the old design. The green colouring is more friendly, but the brown is also okay and does a more obvious separation of the sections.
The only thing I would like to mention is that I would prefer a sans-serif font in the navigation area on the left like it is in the old design. It is better to read.
Best regards,
Katja
-------- Original-Nachricht --------
Datum: Wed, 8 Nov 2006 21:44:59 -0800
Von: "haleh mahbod" <hm...@gmail.com>
An: tuscany-dev@ws.apache.org, tuscany-user@ws.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Tuscany Website Updates
> Hi,
>
> I have been checking the new website that is published at this link
> http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ on several different
> occasions to see if I can adapt to the new coloring. I think our current
> site color combo (http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/) is much more
> inviting and easier on the eyes. what does everyone else think?
>
> I am copying tuscany users on this mail to get your input. The prototype
> at
> http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ has changed the
> layout of the website and got rid of the tabs. Is this easier to follow?
> Your feedback to make the site more user friendly is important to us.
> Thank
> you for taking the time to give feedback.
>
> Haleh
>
>
> On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Venkat,
> > Thanks for the website work. It looks better and is easier to navigate
> > through.
> >
> > Minor comments
> > - We already mention that Tuscany is under Apache License 2.0 in the
> > overview. It does not seem necessary to have an entry called license and
> ASF
> > under General section.
> > - Down load page should contain an entry that describes content of each
> > release. For example, what is in SCA Java M1.
> > - Can FAQ be a link to Wiki? It would be easier to update by anyone.
> >
> > - How to Add info about SCA extensions?
> > 1. Add Extension entry to SCA navigation tab on the left after SCA C++.
> > 2. Create a top level navigation for 'SCA lang extensions' just like
> what
> > we have for SCA, SDO, DAS. It could contain overview, documentation,
> > download (maybe) entries. The challenge will then be how to separate
> > extensions provided on top of C++ or Java runtimes.
> >
> > Option 2 seems easier to navigate through.
> >
> >
> > On 11/6/06, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > You should be able to run build.bat and get the site-publish created.
> > >
> > > Also, rfeng had posted a snapshot of the site during today's IRC chat,
> > > and
> > > it's available at :
> > > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/
> > >
> > > PS.: I think I like the greenish version better then the new colors...
> > >
> > > - Luciano Resende
> > >
> > > On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Venkat,
> > > > There is no site-publish directory in this zip file. How do I look
> at
> > > the
> > > > content?
> > > > Haleh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 11/6/06, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have put in a new zip file -
> > > > > tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip<
> > > > >
> > > >
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12344405/tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip
> > >
> > > > > >in
> > > > > the JIRA (
> > > > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703) containing the
> > > updates
> > > > > to
> > > > > the look and feel. I have linked up all (hopefully) the content
> > > that
> > > > > exists
> > > > > today. If people find this agreeable I can commit this and we can
> > > start
> > > > > pushing in contents into various areas from now on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Raymond, could you please over write your last post on
> > > > > people.apache.orgwith the contents of this zip file. Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > - Venkat
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/4/06, haleh mahbod <hmahbod@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Information presented on the website needs to be progressive.
> This
> > > > means
> > > > > > that we expose critical/interesting information as top level
> > > > > information
> > > > > > and allow the reader to learn more as they advance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree that it is interesting for users and developers to know
> > > > > > about SCA's
> > > > > > flexibility to extend beyond Java and C++ at the first glance.
> > > This is
> > > > > > something we'd want to promote as a top level piece of
> information
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > website.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the other hand, information about bindings seem to be
> > > > implementation
> > > > > > details that are not critical as a top level information. User
> > > will
> > > > > reach
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > this information when he/she drills down for more information.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Haleh
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please find my comments inline. Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Venkat
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Andrew Borley <aj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For SCA, I'd like to see a little more emphasis on the
> things
> > > we
> > > > > > > > support in our releases - Tuscany SCA does more than just
> C++
> > > or
> > > > > Java,
> > > > > > > > and the fact that we implement in these 2 languages doesn't
> > > really
> > > > > > > > need to be quite so highlighted on the site (IMO).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If we have more than just Java and C++ lets go and mention
> that,
> > > but
> > > > > > under
> > > > > > > SCA - is all that I am asking. So that a user knows where all
> > > of
> > > > this
> > > > > > > goes
> > > > > > > into or what the common thread is to all of this. Remember we
> > > also
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > DAS
> > > > > > > and SDO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What would be cool
> > > > > > > > would be a listing of all the stuff we support, and then
> link
> > > to
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > > info about where and how we provide that support. E.g:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Component language bindings:
> > > > > > > > Java
> > > > > > > > C++
> > > > > > > > Javascript
> > > > > > > > Python
> > > > > > > > Ruby
> > > > > > > > PHP (with a link to the SCA for PHP project for now)
> > > > > > > > etc..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Containers:
> > > > > > > > Tomcat
> > > > > > > > HTTPD
> > > > > > > > etc..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bindings:
> > > > > > > > Axis2 Web Services
> > > > > > > > etc..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What do people think?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This will certainly interest the users.. but what's in your
> mind
> > > > about
> > > > > > > presenting this.. are you suggesting that we simply list all
> of
> > > this
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Navigation Pane on the left?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks Everbody for looking into this and providing your
> > > > comments.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rick, I am ok with the Tabs as long as we provide enhanced
> > > user
> > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > thro them. We must either have the tabs or the pane on
> the
> > > left
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > first level navigation. i.e. For every tab selected the
> > > > > navigation
> > > > > > > pane
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > the left has a diff set of relevant options. So if SCA
> tab
> > > is
> > > > > > seleced
> > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > on the left pane we see only stuff releated to SCA. I
> would
> > >
> > > > feel
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > > consistent and less confusing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lee and Raymond, it is no surprise that the links are not
> > > > working
> > > > > > > :). I
> > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > submitted ahead that this is just to get a top level feel
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > navigation
> > > > > > > > > I am proposing and the links may either not work or work
> > > > wrongly.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Meanwhile I am proceeding with the changes and will get up
> > > more
> > > > > > > updates
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > that JIRA before this weekend.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - Venkat
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Raymond Feng < enjoyjava@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I uploaded Venkat's patch to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/index.htmlfor
> > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > viewing. I found quite a few links bring me to the wrong
> > > page.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would suggest that we keep the GUI template (panes and
> > > tabs)
> > > > > as
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > focus on adding more contents.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > Raymond
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Venkata Krishnan" < for.svkrish@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:33 AM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tuscany Website Updates
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sure yes Ant. For the Documentation, as mentioned
> > > earlier,
> > > > I
> > > > > > plan
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > separate pages for SCA Docs, SDO Docs. and DAS Docs.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Each of these pages will have a list of topics that
> will
> > > > > further
> > > > > > > > link to
> > > > > > > > > > > separate pages. Here is something that I can imagine
> > > for
> > > > now
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > this.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1) SCA Java Overview
> > > > > > > > > > > <will will have something in general about how we
> > > have
> > > > > > > > partitioned as
> > > > > > > > > > > APIs SPI Core etc.>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 2) SCA Java - Extensions
> > > > > > > > > > > <About extensions... Implementation Types, Bindings
> > > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > prog. model around loaders, buliders, invokers>
> > > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own impl. type and binding
> > > extensions>
> > > > > > > > > > > <Tuscany Implementatin Extensions>
> > > > > > > > > > > <JavaScript>
> > > > > > > > > > > <Groovy>
> > > > > > > > > > > <Ruby>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 3) SCA Java - DataBinding Facility
> > > > > > > > > > > <About DataBinding and its advantage>
> > > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own data bindings>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 4) Java SCA Runtimes and Application Deployment
> > > > > > > > > > > <Standalone>
> > > > > > > > > > > <WebApp>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 5) Java SCA Samples
> > > > > > > > > > > <Overview of samples available in SCA Java>
> > > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own SCA Application>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So I guess, what you wish to do might go into one of
> the
> > > > lind
> > > > > > uder
> > > > > > > > Topic
> > > > > > > > > > > 2.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Please feel free to correct this or fill in if I have
> > > > grossly
> > > > > > > missed
> > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > somethings.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > - Venkat
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > On 11/2/06, Venkata Krishnan <for.svkrish@gmail.com
> >
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > I am putting up some proposals for updates to our
> > > > website
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > request
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > feedback on this or suggestions for the better.
> > > Right
> > > > > > away
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > top
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > level
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > ones are:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > - Do away with the tabs. This is because I don't
> > > see
> > > > > > > > correlation
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > between
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > the Tab options and the options on the navigation
> > > pane
> > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > left.
> > > > > > > > > > >> i.e
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > . if
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > the tabs are first level navigation then the pane
> > > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > left
> > > > > > > > must
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > sub-options within a selected tab - I don't see
> > > such a
> > > > > > > > > > >> correlation. So
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > let's avoid confusion to the website visitor
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > - There is lots of green :) and am having some
> > > > > difficulties
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > additional colors that gel with this. Either
> > > somebody
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > colour
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > sense helps or we moderate the green a bit.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > - The images that are used for the Navigation
> > > Optoins
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > left
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > pane
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > for the titles of various boxes may need to be
> > > > sharpened
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > bit
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > All this besides the fact the the various
> > > navigations
> > > > > paths
> > > > > > > > need to
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > reviewed and set right. I shall get to these as
> > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Meanwhile I have created a JIRA
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703where
> > > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > >> attempted
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > provide a view of what's in my mind for the
> > > Navigation
> > > > > Pane
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> left
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > together with some changes for the Downloads
> page.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > You simply have to extract the zip that is
> attached
> > > in
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > JIRA
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > take a
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > look at /site-publish/downloads.html.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Also, I have a diagram posted for the Java_SCA
> > > Overview
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > JIRA,
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > please see if you can say somethings about that
> as
> > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > - Venkat
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Its really good you're looking at the website
> Venkat,
> > > it
> > > > > has
> > > > > > > > become a
> > > > > > > > > > >> bit
> > > > > > > > > > >> > neglected. What you've suggested above all sounds
> > > good to
> > > > > me,
> > > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > > >> suggest
> > > > > > > > > > >> > just going ahead and making changes as you think
> > > > > appropriate
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > >> will be
> > > > > > > > > > >> > much easier for you. Maybe for big ones mention on
> > > the
> > > > dev
> > > > > > list
> > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > > >> but
> > > > > > > > > > >> > otherwise just dive in and send emails after the
> fact
> > > so
> > > > > > others
> > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > >> review -
> > > > > > > > > > >> > just as with the code CTR not RTC :)
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> I meant to add, I'd like to help, specifically with
> > > adding
> > > > > > pages
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > doc
> > > > > > > > > > >> about the various extensions, maybe along the lines
> of
> > > that
> > > > > > > example
> > > > > > > > i
> > > > > > > > > > >> posted
> > > > > > > > > > >> earlier [1]. Could you find a space for me on the
> > > website
> > > > for
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > >> that?
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Re: Tuscany Website Updates
Posted by David Sanders <ds...@gmail.com>.
I prefer:
- the new website's tab-less look. If the menu on the left gets too
cluttered, the SCA, SDO, etc. sections could be made collapsible/expandable.
- the current (live) site's color combo
Also, on both sites, the instructions for building Tuscany, running samples,
and Eclipse usage appear in multiple places, with some differences:
http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/java-projects.html
http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/building_source.html
http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/java_sdo_overview.html
http://wiki.apache.org/ws/Tuscany/TuscanyJava/SDO_Java_Overview
On 11/8/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have been checking the new website that is published at this link
> http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ on several different
> occasions to see if I can adapt to the new coloring. I think our current
> site color combo (http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/) is much more
> inviting and easier on the eyes. what does everyone else think?
>
> I am copying tuscany users on this mail to get your input. The prototype
> at
> http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ has changed the
> layout of the website and got rid of the tabs. Is this easier to follow?
> Your feedback to make the site more user friendly is important to us.
> Thank
> you for taking the time to give feedback.
>
> Haleh
>
>
> On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Venkat,
> > Thanks for the website work. It looks better and is easier to navigate
> > through.
> >
> > Minor comments
> > - We already mention that Tuscany is under Apache License 2.0 in the
> > overview. It does not seem necessary to have an entry called license and
> ASF
> > under General section.
> > - Down load page should contain an entry that describes content of each
> > release. For example, what is in SCA Java M1.
> > - Can FAQ be a link to Wiki? It would be easier to update by anyone.
> >
> > - How to Add info about SCA extensions?
> > 1. Add Extension entry to SCA navigation tab on the left after SCA C++.
> > 2. Create a top level navigation for 'SCA lang extensions' just like
> what
> > we have for SCA, SDO, DAS. It could contain overview, documentation,
> > download (maybe) entries. The challenge will then be how to separate
> > extensions provided on top of C++ or Java runtimes.
> >
> > Option 2 seems easier to navigate through.
> >
> >
> > On 11/6/06, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > You should be able to run build.bat and get the site-publish created.
> > >
> > > Also, rfeng had posted a snapshot of the site during today's IRC chat,
> > > and
> > > it's available at :
> > > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/
> > >
> > > PS.: I think I like the greenish version better then the new colors...
> > >
> > > - Luciano Resende
> > >
> > > On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Venkat,
> > > > There is no site-publish directory in this zip file. How do I look
> at
> > > the
> > > > content?
> > > > Haleh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 11/6/06, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have put in a new zip file -
> > > > > tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip<
> > > > >
> > > >
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12344405/tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip
> > >
> > > > > >in
> > > > > the JIRA (
> > > > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703) containing the
> > > updates
> > > > > to
> > > > > the look and feel. I have linked up all (hopefully) the content
> > > that
> > > > > exists
> > > > > today. If people find this agreeable I can commit this and we can
> > > start
> > > > > pushing in contents into various areas from now on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Raymond, could you please over write your last post on
> > > > > people.apache.orgwith the contents of this zip file. Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > - Venkat
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/4/06, haleh mahbod <hmahbod@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Information presented on the website needs to be progressive.
> This
> > > > means
> > > > > > that we expose critical/interesting information as top level
> > > > > information
> > > > > > and allow the reader to learn more as they advance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree that it is interesting for users and developers to know
> > > > > > about SCA's
> > > > > > flexibility to extend beyond Java and C++ at the first glance.
> > > This is
> > > > > > something we'd want to promote as a top level piece of
> information
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > website.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the other hand, information about bindings seem to be
> > > > implementation
> > > > > > details that are not critical as a top level information. User
> > > will
> > > > > reach
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > this information when he/she drills down for more information.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Haleh
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please find my comments inline. Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Venkat
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Andrew Borley <aj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For SCA, I'd like to see a little more emphasis on the
> things
> > > we
> > > > > > > > support in our releases - Tuscany SCA does more than just
> C++
> > > or
> > > > > Java,
> > > > > > > > and the fact that we implement in these 2 languages doesn't
> > > really
> > > > > > > > need to be quite so highlighted on the site (IMO).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If we have more than just Java and C++ lets go and mention
> that,
> > > but
> > > > > > under
> > > > > > > SCA - is all that I am asking. So that a user knows where all
> > > of
> > > > this
> > > > > > > goes
> > > > > > > into or what the common thread is to all of this. Remember we
> > > also
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > DAS
> > > > > > > and SDO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What would be cool
> > > > > > > > would be a listing of all the stuff we support, and then
> link
> > > to
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > > info about where and how we provide that support. E.g:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Component language bindings:
> > > > > > > > Java
> > > > > > > > C++
> > > > > > > > Javascript
> > > > > > > > Python
> > > > > > > > Ruby
> > > > > > > > PHP (with a link to the SCA for PHP project for now)
> > > > > > > > etc..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Containers:
> > > > > > > > Tomcat
> > > > > > > > HTTPD
> > > > > > > > etc..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bindings:
> > > > > > > > Axis2 Web Services
> > > > > > > > etc..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What do people think?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This will certainly interest the users.. but what's in your
> mind
> > > > about
> > > > > > > presenting this.. are you suggesting that we simply list all
> of
> > > this
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Navigation Pane on the left?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks Everbody for looking into this and providing your
> > > > comments.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rick, I am ok with the Tabs as long as we provide enhanced
> > > user
> > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > thro them. We must either have the tabs or the pane on
> the
> > > left
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > first level navigation. i.e. For every tab selected the
> > > > > navigation
> > > > > > > pane
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > the left has a diff set of relevant options. So if SCA
> tab
> > > is
> > > > > > seleced
> > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > on the left pane we see only stuff releated to SCA. I
> would
> > >
> > > > feel
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > > consistent and less confusing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lee and Raymond, it is no surprise that the links are not
> > > > working
> > > > > > > :). I
> > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > submitted ahead that this is just to get a top level feel
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > navigation
> > > > > > > > > I am proposing and the links may either not work or work
> > > > wrongly.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Meanwhile I am proceeding with the changes and will get up
> > > more
> > > > > > > updates
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > that JIRA before this weekend.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - Venkat
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Raymond Feng < enjoyjava@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I uploaded Venkat's patch to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/index.htmlfor
> > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > viewing. I found quite a few links bring me to the wrong
> > > page.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would suggest that we keep the GUI template (panes and
> > > tabs)
> > > > > as
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > focus on adding more contents.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > Raymond
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Venkata Krishnan" < for.svkrish@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:33 AM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tuscany Website Updates
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sure yes Ant. For the Documentation, as mentioned
> > > earlier,
> > > > I
> > > > > > plan
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > separate pages for SCA Docs, SDO Docs. and DAS Docs.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Each of these pages will have a list of topics that
> will
> > > > > further
> > > > > > > > link to
> > > > > > > > > > > separate pages. Here is something that I can imagine
> > > for
> > > > now
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > this.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1) SCA Java Overview
> > > > > > > > > > > <will will have something in general about how we
> > > have
> > > > > > > > partitioned as
> > > > > > > > > > > APIs SPI Core etc.>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 2) SCA Java - Extensions
> > > > > > > > > > > <About extensions... Implementation Types, Bindings
> > > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > prog. model around loaders, buliders, invokers>
> > > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own impl. type and binding
> > > extensions>
> > > > > > > > > > > <Tuscany Implementatin Extensions>
> > > > > > > > > > > <JavaScript>
> > > > > > > > > > > <Groovy>
> > > > > > > > > > > <Ruby>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 3) SCA Java - DataBinding Facility
> > > > > > > > > > > <About DataBinding and its advantage>
> > > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own data bindings>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 4) Java SCA Runtimes and Application Deployment
> > > > > > > > > > > <Standalone>
> > > > > > > > > > > <WebApp>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 5) Java SCA Samples
> > > > > > > > > > > <Overview of samples available in SCA Java>
> > > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own SCA Application>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So I guess, what you wish to do might go into one of
> the
> > > > lind
> > > > > > uder
> > > > > > > > Topic
> > > > > > > > > > > 2.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Please feel free to correct this or fill in if I have
> > > > grossly
> > > > > > > missed
> > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > somethings.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > - Venkat
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > On 11/2/06, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > I am putting up some proposals for updates to our
> > > > website
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > request
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > feedback on this or suggestions for the better.
> > > Right
> > > > > > away
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > top
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > level
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > ones are:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > - Do away with the tabs. This is because I don't
> > > see
> > > > > > > > correlation
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > between
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > the Tab options and the options on the navigation
> > > pane
> > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > left.
> > > > > > > > > > >> i.e
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > . if
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > the tabs are first level navigation then the pane
> > > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > left
> > > > > > > > must
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > sub-options within a selected tab - I don't see
> > > such a
> > > > > > > > > > >> correlation. So
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > let's avoid confusion to the website visitor
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > - There is lots of green :) and am having some
> > > > > difficulties
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > additional colors that gel with this. Either
> > > somebody
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > colour
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > sense helps or we moderate the green a bit.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > - The images that are used for the Navigation
> > > Optoins
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > left
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > pane
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > for the titles of various boxes may need to be
> > > > sharpened
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > bit
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > All this besides the fact the the various
> > > navigations
> > > > > paths
> > > > > > > > need to
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > reviewed and set right. I shall get to these as
> > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Meanwhile I have created a JIRA
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703where
> > > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > >> attempted
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > provide a view of what's in my mind for the
> > > Navigation
> > > > > Pane
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> left
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > together with some changes for the Downloads
> page.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > You simply have to extract the zip that is
> attached
> > > in
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > JIRA
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > take a
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > look at /site-publish/downloads.html.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Also, I have a diagram posted for the Java_SCA
> > > Overview
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > JIRA,
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > please see if you can say somethings about that
> as
> > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > - Venkat
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Its really good you're looking at the website
> Venkat,
> > > it
> > > > > has
> > > > > > > > become a
> > > > > > > > > > >> bit
> > > > > > > > > > >> > neglected. What you've suggested above all sounds
> > > good to
> > > > > me,
> > > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > > >> suggest
> > > > > > > > > > >> > just going ahead and making changes as you think
> > > > > appropriate
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > >> will be
> > > > > > > > > > >> > much easier for you. Maybe for big ones mention on
> > > the
> > > > dev
> > > > > > list
> > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > > >> but
> > > > > > > > > > >> > otherwise just dive in and send emails after the
> fact
> > > so
> > > > > > others
> > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > >> review -
> > > > > > > > > > >> > just as with the code CTR not RTC :)
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> I meant to add, I'd like to help, specifically with
> > > adding
> > > > > > pages
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > doc
> > > > > > > > > > >> about the various extensions, maybe along the lines
> of
> > > that
> > > > > > > example
> > > > > > > > i
> > > > > > > > > > >> posted
> > > > > > > > > > >> earlier [1]. Could you find a space for me on the
> > > website
> > > > for
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > >> that?
> > > > > > > > > > >>
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Re: Tuscany Website Updates
Posted by Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>.
On 11/8/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I have been checking the new website that is published at this link
> http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ on several different
> occasions to see if I can adapt to the new coloring. I think our current
> site color combo (http://incubator.apache.org/tuscany/) is much more
> inviting and easier on the eyes. what does everyone else think?
My preference is for the current green color schema, that is on the live
web-site.
I am copying tuscany users on this mail to get your input. The prototype at
> http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/ has changed the
> layout of the website and got rid of the tabs. Is this easier to follow?
> Your feedback to make the site more user friendly is important to us.
> Thank
> you for taking the time to give feedback.
The navigation looks good, but i'd like to see a central documentation page
back, as we discussed on IRC.
Haleh
>
On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Venkat,
> > Thanks for the website work. It looks better and is easier to navigate
> > through.
> >
> > Minor comments
> > - We already mention that Tuscany is under Apache License 2.0 in the
> > overview. It does not seem necessary to have an entry called license and
> ASF
> > under General section.
> > - Down load page should contain an entry that describes content of each
> > release. For example, what is in SCA Java M1.
> > - Can FAQ be a link to Wiki? It would be easier to update by anyone.
> >
> > - How to Add info about SCA extensions?
> > 1. Add Extension entry to SCA navigation tab on the left after SCA C++.
> > 2. Create a top level navigation for 'SCA lang extensions' just like
> what
> > we have for SCA, SDO, DAS. It could contain overview, documentation,
> > download (maybe) entries. The challenge will then be how to separate
> > extensions provided on top of C++ or Java runtimes.
> >
> > Option 2 seems easier to navigate through.
> >
> >
> > On 11/6/06, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > You should be able to run build.bat and get the site-publish created.
> > >
> > > Also, rfeng had posted a snapshot of the site during today's IRC chat,
> > > and
> > > it's available at :
> > > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/
> > >
> > > PS.: I think I like the greenish version better then the new colors...
> > >
> > > - Luciano Resende
> > >
> > > On 11/6/06, haleh mahbod <hm...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi Venkat,
> > > > There is no site-publish directory in this zip file. How do I look
> at
> > > the
> > > > content?
> > > > Haleh
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On 11/6/06, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I have put in a new zip file -
> > > > > tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip<
> > > > >
> > > >
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/secure/attachment/12344405/tuscany_site_Nov_6.zip
> > >
> > > > > >in
> > > > > the JIRA (
> > > > > http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703) containing the
> > > updates
> > > > > to
> > > > > the look and feel. I have linked up all (hopefully) the content
> > > that
> > > > > exists
> > > > > today. If people find this agreeable I can commit this and we can
> > > start
> > > > > pushing in contents into various areas from now on.
> > > > >
> > > > > Raymond, could you please over write your last post on
> > > > > people.apache.orgwith the contents of this zip file. Thanks
> > > > >
> > > > > - Venkat
> > > > >
> > > > > On 11/4/06, haleh mahbod <hmahbod@gmail.com > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Information presented on the website needs to be progressive.
> This
> > > > means
> > > > > > that we expose critical/interesting information as top level
> > > > > information
> > > > > > and allow the reader to learn more as they advance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I agree that it is interesting for users and developers to know
> > > > > > about SCA's
> > > > > > flexibility to extend beyond Java and C++ at the first glance.
> > > This is
> > > > > > something we'd want to promote as a top level piece of
> information
> > > on
> > > > > the
> > > > > > website.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On the other hand, information about bindings seem to be
> > > > implementation
> > > > > > details that are not critical as a top level information. User
> > > will
> > > > > reach
> > > > > > to
> > > > > > this information when he/she drills down for more information.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Haleh
> > > > > >
> > > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Please find my comments inline. Thanks
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > - Venkat
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Andrew Borley <aj...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > For SCA, I'd like to see a little more emphasis on the
> things
> > > we
> > > > > > > > support in our releases - Tuscany SCA does more than just
> C++
> > > or
> > > > > Java,
> > > > > > > > and the fact that we implement in these 2 languages doesn't
> > > really
> > > > > > > > need to be quite so highlighted on the site (IMO).
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > If we have more than just Java and C++ lets go and mention
> that,
> > > but
> > > > > > under
> > > > > > > SCA - is all that I am asking. So that a user knows where all
> > > of
> > > > this
> > > > > > > goes
> > > > > > > into or what the common thread is to all of this. Remember we
> > > also
> > > > > have
> > > > > > > DAS
> > > > > > > and SDO.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > What would be cool
> > > > > > > > would be a listing of all the stuff we support, and then
> link
> > > to
> > > > > some
> > > > > > > > info about where and how we provide that support. E.g:
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Component language bindings:
> > > > > > > > Java
> > > > > > > > C++
> > > > > > > > Javascript
> > > > > > > > Python
> > > > > > > > Ruby
> > > > > > > > PHP (with a link to the SCA for PHP project for now)
> > > > > > > > etc..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Containers:
> > > > > > > > Tomcat
> > > > > > > > HTTPD
> > > > > > > > etc..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Bindings:
> > > > > > > > Axis2 Web Services
> > > > > > > > etc..
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > What do people think?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > This will certainly interest the users.. but what's in your
> mind
> > > > about
> > > > > > > presenting this.. are you suggesting that we simply list all
> of
> > > this
> > > > > on
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > Navigation Pane on the left?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Andy
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Venkata Krishnan < for.svkrish@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > Hi
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks Everbody for looking into this and providing your
> > > > comments.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Rick, I am ok with the Tabs as long as we provide enhanced
> > > user
> > > > > > > > experience
> > > > > > > > > thro them. We must either have the tabs or the pane on
> the
> > > left
> > > > > for
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > first level navigation. i.e. For every tab selected the
> > > > > navigation
> > > > > > > pane
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > the left has a diff set of relevant options. So if SCA
> tab
> > > is
> > > > > > seleced
> > > > > > > > then
> > > > > > > > > on the left pane we see only stuff releated to SCA. I
> would
> > >
> > > > feel
> > > > > > this
> > > > > > > > to be
> > > > > > > > > consistent and less confusing.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Lee and Raymond, it is no surprise that the links are not
> > > > working
> > > > > > > :). I
> > > > > > > > had
> > > > > > > > > submitted ahead that this is just to get a top level feel
> of
> > > the
> > > > > > > > navigation
> > > > > > > > > I am proposing and the links may either not work or work
> > > > wrongly.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Meanwhile I am proceeding with the changes and will get up
> > > more
> > > > > > > updates
> > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > that JIRA before this weekend.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > - Venkat
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > On 11/3/06, Raymond Feng < enjoyjava@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I uploaded Venkat's patch to
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > http://people.apache.org/~rfeng/tuscany/site-publish/index.htmlfor
> > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > viewing. I found quite a few links bring me to the wrong
> > > page.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > I would suggest that we keep the GUI template (panes and
> > > tabs)
> > > > > as
> > > > > > is
> > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > focus on adding more contents.
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > Thanks,
> > > > > > > > > > Raymond
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > > > > > > From: "Venkata Krishnan" < for.svkrish@gmail.com>
> > > > > > > > > > To: <tu...@ws.apache.org>
> > > > > > > > > > Sent: Thursday, November 02, 2006 3:33 AM
> > > > > > > > > > Subject: Re: Tuscany Website Updates
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Sure yes Ant. For the Documentation, as mentioned
> > > earlier,
> > > > I
> > > > > > plan
> > > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > > separate pages for SCA Docs, SDO Docs. and DAS Docs.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Each of these pages will have a list of topics that
> will
> > > > > further
> > > > > > > > link to
> > > > > > > > > > > separate pages. Here is something that I can imagine
> > > for
> > > > now
> > > > > > for
> > > > > > > > this.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 1) SCA Java Overview
> > > > > > > > > > > <will will have something in general about how we
> > > have
> > > > > > > > partitioned as
> > > > > > > > > > > APIs SPI Core etc.>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 2) SCA Java - Extensions
> > > > > > > > > > > <About extensions... Implementation Types, Bindings
> > > and
> > > > the
> > > > > > > > general
> > > > > > > > > > > prog. model around loaders, buliders, invokers>
> > > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own impl. type and binding
> > > extensions>
> > > > > > > > > > > <Tuscany Implementatin Extensions>
> > > > > > > > > > > <JavaScript>
> > > > > > > > > > > <Groovy>
> > > > > > > > > > > <Ruby>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 3) SCA Java - DataBinding Facility
> > > > > > > > > > > <About DataBinding and its advantage>
> > > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own data bindings>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 4) Java SCA Runtimes and Application Deployment
> > > > > > > > > > > <Standalone>
> > > > > > > > > > > <WebApp>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > 5) Java SCA Samples
> > > > > > > > > > > <Overview of samples available in SCA Java>
> > > > > > > > > > > <How to write your own SCA Application>
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > So I guess, what you wish to do might go into one of
> the
> > > > lind
> > > > > > uder
> > > > > > > > Topic
> > > > > > > > > > > 2.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Please feel free to correct this or fill in if I have
> > > > grossly
> > > > > > > missed
> > > > > > > > out
> > > > > > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > > > > somethings.
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > Thanks
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > - Venkat
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > > > On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> On 11/2/06, ant elder < ant.elder@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > On 11/2/06, Venkata Krishnan <fo...@gmail.com>
> > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Hi,
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > I am putting up some proposals for updates to our
> > > > website
> > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > request
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > feedback on this or suggestions for the better.
> > > Right
> > > > > > away
> > > > > > > > some
> > > > > > > > > > top
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > level
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > ones are:
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > - Do away with the tabs. This is because I don't
> > > see
> > > > > > > > correlation
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > between
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > the Tab options and the options on the navigation
> > > pane
> > > > in
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > left.
> > > > > > > > > > >> i.e
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > . if
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > the tabs are first level navigation then the pane
> > > on
> > > > the
> > > > > > left
> > > > > > > > must
> > > > > > > > > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > sub-options within a selected tab - I don't see
> > > such a
> > > > > > > > > > >> correlation. So
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > let's avoid confusion to the website visitor
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > - There is lots of green :) and am having some
> > > > > difficulties
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > get
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > additional colors that gel with this. Either
> > > somebody
> > > > > with
> > > > > > > > better
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > colour
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > sense helps or we moderate the green a bit.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > - The images that are used for the Navigation
> > > Optoins
> > > > on
> > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > left
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > pane
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > for the titles of various boxes may need to be
> > > > sharpened
> > > > > a
> > > > > > > bit
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > All this besides the fact the the various
> > > navigations
> > > > > paths
> > > > > > > > need to
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > be
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > reviewed and set right. I shall get to these as
> > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Meanwhile I have created a JIRA
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> http://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/TUSCANY-703where
> > > > I
> > > > > > have
> > > > > > > > > > >> attempted
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > to
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > provide a view of what's in my mind for the
> > > Navigation
> > > > > Pane
> > > > > > > on
> > > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > > > >> left
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > together with some changes for the Downloads
> page.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > You simply have to extract the zip that is
> attached
> > > in
> > > > > that
> > > > > > > > JIRA
> > > > > > > > > > and
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > take a
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > look at /site-publish/downloads.html.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Also, I have a diagram posted for the Java_SCA
> > > Overview
> > > > > in
> > > > > > > the
> > > > > > > > same
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > JIRA,
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > please see if you can say somethings about that
> as
> > > > well.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > Thanks.
> > > > > > > > > > >> > >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > > - Venkat
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >> > Its really good you're looking at the website
> Venkat,
> > > it
> > > > > has
> > > > > > > > become a
> > > > > > > > > > >> bit
> > > > > > > > > > >> > neglected. What you've suggested above all sounds
> > > good to
> > > > > me,
> > > > > > > I'd
> > > > > > > > > > >> suggest
> > > > > > > > > > >> > just going ahead and making changes as you think
> > > > > appropriate
> > > > > > as
> > > > > > > > that
> > > > > > > > > > >> will be
> > > > > > > > > > >> > much easier for you. Maybe for big ones mention on
> > > the
> > > > dev
> > > > > > list
> > > > > > > > first
> > > > > > > > > > >> but
> > > > > > > > > > >> > otherwise just dive in and send emails after the
> fact
> > > so
> > > > > > others
> > > > > > > > can
> > > > > > > > > > >> review -
> > > > > > > > > > >> > just as with the code CTR not RTC :)
> > > > > > > > > > >> >
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> I meant to add, I'd like to help, specifically with
> > > adding
> > > > > > pages
> > > > > > > > with
> > > > > > > > > > doc
> > > > > > > > > > >> about the various extensions, maybe along the lines
> of
> > > that
> > > > > > > example
> > > > > > > > i
> > > > > > > > > > >> posted
> > > > > > > > > > >> earlier [1]. Could you find a space for me on the
> > > website
> > > > for
> > > > > > me
> > > > > > > to
> > > > > > > > do
> > > > > > > > > > >> that?
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> ...ant
> > > > > > > > > > >>
> > > > > > > > > > >> [1]
> > > > > > > > > > >>
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> > > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
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