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Posted to user@nutch.apache.org by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov> on 2014/07/15 20:07:33 UTC
[DISCUSS] [VOTE] Remove pom.xml from source
Hey Julien,
Does the ant deploy generate a fully POM though? I don't think it does
I think it just generates the dependencies, and not e.g., the developer
list, etc. So, we need the pom.xml as the template that has that stuff,
until someone cooks up a XSL combining solution with that original template
and then what ant deploy spits out, no?
Cheers,
Chris
-----Original Message-----
From: Julien Nioche <li...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "user@nutch.apache.org" <us...@nutch.apache.org>
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:36 AM
To: "dev@nutch.apache.org" <de...@nutch.apache.org>, "user@nutch.apache.org"
<us...@nutch.apache.org>
Subject: [VOTE] Remove pom.xml from source
>Hi,
>
>One of the frequent issues on the mailing list / JIRA is that users can be
>led to think that Nutch is built with Maven as they can see what looks
>like
>a perfectly valid pom.xml at the root of the project. It becomes clearer
>when reading the WIKI or FAQ that ANT should be used instead but it isn't
>an unreasonnable assumption, is it?
>
>As we know this pom.xml is generated automatically when we publish the
>Maven artefacts with the deploy task i.e. it is never done by end users
>and
>only when we release a new version. This pom.xml is generated from a
>template file in the ivy dir and uses the ivy dependencies.
>
>This pom.xml file cannot be used to build Nutch core nor the plugins but
>was used by Eclipse users to easily import the project and get the
>dependencies, which can be done very neatly with the 'ant eclipse' task or
>by using the IvyDE plugin for Eclipse. Moreover there is no guarantee
>that
>it is in sync with the content of the Ivy deps.
>
>I suggest that we remove the pom.xml file from the source (and the
>releases) to get rid of this source of confusion. Apart from the solutions
>I just mentioned to get the dependencies in Eclipse etc... there is always
>the option of calling 'ant deploy' to generate a fresh new pom.xml if you
>really need one.
>
>Can we please have your views on this?
>
>[+1] yes
>[-1] no, here is why...
>[0] don't mind
>
>Thanks
>
>Julien
>
>--
>
>Open Source Solutions for Text Engineering
>
>http://digitalpebble.blogspot.com/
>http://www.digitalpebble.com
>http://twitter.com/digitalpebble
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Remove pom.xml from source
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Gotcha, then yep we can remove it!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-----Original Message-----
From: Julien Nioche <li...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "user@nutch.apache.org" <us...@nutch.apache.org>
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:45 AM
To: "dev@nutch.apache.org" <de...@nutch.apache.org>
Cc: "user@nutch.apache.org" <us...@nutch.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Remove pom.xml from source
>Hi Chris,
>
>It does. See https://github.com/apache/nutch/blob/trunk/ivy/mvn.template
><https://github.com/apache/nutch/blob/trunk/ivy/mvn.template>, which
>contains everything we need to generate the pom.xml, including the dev
>list, deps etc... The pom contains nothing else and is fully regenerated
>from the template at every release. We can remove it.
>
>Thanks
>
>Julien
>
>On 15 July 2014 19:07, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Hey Julien,
>>
>> Does the ant deploy generate a fully POM though? I don't think it does
>> I think it just generates the dependencies, and not e.g., the developer
>> list, etc. So, we need the pom.xml as the template that has that stuff,
>
>until someone cooks up a XSL combining solution with that original
>template
>> and then what ant deploy spits out, no?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Julien Nioche <li...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "user@nutch.apache.org" <us...@nutch.apache.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:36 AM
>> To: "dev@nutch.apache.org" <de...@nutch.apache.org>,
>>"user@nutch.apache.org"
>> <us...@nutch.apache.org>
>> Subject: [VOTE] Remove pom.xml from source
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >One of the frequent issues on the mailing list / JIRA is that users
>>can be
>> >led to think that Nutch is built with Maven as they can see what looks
>> >like
>> >a perfectly valid pom.xml at the root of the project. It becomes
>>clearer
>> >when reading the WIKI or FAQ that ANT should be used instead but it
>>isn't
>> >an unreasonnable assumption, is it?
>> >
>> >As we know this pom.xml is generated automatically when we publish the
>> >Maven artefacts with the deploy task i.e. it is never done by end users
>> >and
>> >only when we release a new version. This pom.xml is generated from a
>> >template file in the ivy dir and uses the ivy dependencies.
>> >
>> >This pom.xml file cannot be used to build Nutch core nor the plugins
>>but
>> >was used by Eclipse users to easily import the project and get the
>> >dependencies, which can be done very neatly with the 'ant eclipse'
>>task or
>> >by using the IvyDE plugin for Eclipse. Moreover there is no guarantee
>> >that
>> >it is in sync with the content of the Ivy deps.
>> >
>> >I suggest that we remove the pom.xml file from the source (and the
>> >releases) to get rid of this source of confusion. Apart from the
>>solutions
>> >I just mentioned to get the dependencies in Eclipse etc... there is
>>always
>> >the option of calling 'ant deploy' to generate a fresh new pom.xml if
>>you
>> >really need one.
>> >
>> >Can we please have your views on this?
>> >
>> >[+1] yes
>> >[-1] no, here is why...
>> >[0] don't mind
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >
>> >Julien
>> >
>> >--
>> >
>> >Open Source Solutions for Text Engineering
>> >
>> >http://digitalpebble.blogspot.com/
>> >http://www.digitalpebble.com
>> >http://twitter.com/digitalpebble
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>
>Open Source Solutions for Text Engineering
>
>http://digitalpebble.blogspot.com/
>http://www.digitalpebble.com
>http://twitter.com/digitalpebble
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Remove pom.xml from source
Posted by "Mattmann, Chris A (3980)" <ch...@jpl.nasa.gov>.
Gotcha, then yep we can remove it!
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Chris Mattmann, Ph.D.
Chief Architect
Instrument Software and Science Data Systems Section (398)
NASA Jet Propulsion Laboratory Pasadena, CA 91109 USA
Office: 168-519, Mailstop: 168-527
Email: chris.a.mattmann@nasa.gov
WWW: http://sunset.usc.edu/~mattmann/
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Adjunct Associate Professor, Computer Science Department
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089 USA
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
-----Original Message-----
From: Julien Nioche <li...@gmail.com>
Reply-To: "user@nutch.apache.org" <us...@nutch.apache.org>
Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 11:45 AM
To: "dev@nutch.apache.org" <de...@nutch.apache.org>
Cc: "user@nutch.apache.org" <us...@nutch.apache.org>
Subject: Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Remove pom.xml from source
>Hi Chris,
>
>It does. See https://github.com/apache/nutch/blob/trunk/ivy/mvn.template
><https://github.com/apache/nutch/blob/trunk/ivy/mvn.template>, which
>contains everything we need to generate the pom.xml, including the dev
>list, deps etc... The pom contains nothing else and is fully regenerated
>from the template at every release. We can remove it.
>
>Thanks
>
>Julien
>
>On 15 July 2014 19:07, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
>chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
>
>> Hey Julien,
>>
>> Does the ant deploy generate a fully POM though? I don't think it does
>> I think it just generates the dependencies, and not e.g., the developer
>> list, etc. So, we need the pom.xml as the template that has that stuff,
>
>until someone cooks up a XSL combining solution with that original
>template
>> and then what ant deploy spits out, no?
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Chris
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Julien Nioche <li...@gmail.com>
>> Reply-To: "user@nutch.apache.org" <us...@nutch.apache.org>
>> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:36 AM
>> To: "dev@nutch.apache.org" <de...@nutch.apache.org>,
>>"user@nutch.apache.org"
>> <us...@nutch.apache.org>
>> Subject: [VOTE] Remove pom.xml from source
>>
>> >Hi,
>> >
>> >One of the frequent issues on the mailing list / JIRA is that users
>>can be
>> >led to think that Nutch is built with Maven as they can see what looks
>> >like
>> >a perfectly valid pom.xml at the root of the project. It becomes
>>clearer
>> >when reading the WIKI or FAQ that ANT should be used instead but it
>>isn't
>> >an unreasonnable assumption, is it?
>> >
>> >As we know this pom.xml is generated automatically when we publish the
>> >Maven artefacts with the deploy task i.e. it is never done by end users
>> >and
>> >only when we release a new version. This pom.xml is generated from a
>> >template file in the ivy dir and uses the ivy dependencies.
>> >
>> >This pom.xml file cannot be used to build Nutch core nor the plugins
>>but
>> >was used by Eclipse users to easily import the project and get the
>> >dependencies, which can be done very neatly with the 'ant eclipse'
>>task or
>> >by using the IvyDE plugin for Eclipse. Moreover there is no guarantee
>> >that
>> >it is in sync with the content of the Ivy deps.
>> >
>> >I suggest that we remove the pom.xml file from the source (and the
>> >releases) to get rid of this source of confusion. Apart from the
>>solutions
>> >I just mentioned to get the dependencies in Eclipse etc... there is
>>always
>> >the option of calling 'ant deploy' to generate a fresh new pom.xml if
>>you
>> >really need one.
>> >
>> >Can we please have your views on this?
>> >
>> >[+1] yes
>> >[-1] no, here is why...
>> >[0] don't mind
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >
>> >Julien
>> >
>> >--
>> >
>> >Open Source Solutions for Text Engineering
>> >
>> >http://digitalpebble.blogspot.com/
>> >http://www.digitalpebble.com
>> >http://twitter.com/digitalpebble
>>
>>
>
>
>--
>
>Open Source Solutions for Text Engineering
>
>http://digitalpebble.blogspot.com/
>http://www.digitalpebble.com
>http://twitter.com/digitalpebble
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Remove pom.xml from source
Posted by Julien Nioche <li...@gmail.com>.
Hi Chris,
It does. See https://github.com/apache/nutch/blob/trunk/ivy/mvn.template
<https://github.com/apache/nutch/blob/trunk/ivy/mvn.template>, which
contains everything we need to generate the pom.xml, including the dev
list, deps etc... The pom contains nothing else and is fully regenerated
from the template at every release. We can remove it.
Thanks
Julien
On 15 July 2014 19:07, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hey Julien,
>
> Does the ant deploy generate a fully POM though? I don't think it does
> I think it just generates the dependencies, and not e.g., the developer
> list, etc. So, we need the pom.xml as the template that has that stuff,
until someone cooks up a XSL combining solution with that original template
> and then what ant deploy spits out, no?
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julien Nioche <li...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "user@nutch.apache.org" <us...@nutch.apache.org>
> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:36 AM
> To: "dev@nutch.apache.org" <de...@nutch.apache.org>, "user@nutch.apache.org"
> <us...@nutch.apache.org>
> Subject: [VOTE] Remove pom.xml from source
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >One of the frequent issues on the mailing list / JIRA is that users can be
> >led to think that Nutch is built with Maven as they can see what looks
> >like
> >a perfectly valid pom.xml at the root of the project. It becomes clearer
> >when reading the WIKI or FAQ that ANT should be used instead but it isn't
> >an unreasonnable assumption, is it?
> >
> >As we know this pom.xml is generated automatically when we publish the
> >Maven artefacts with the deploy task i.e. it is never done by end users
> >and
> >only when we release a new version. This pom.xml is generated from a
> >template file in the ivy dir and uses the ivy dependencies.
> >
> >This pom.xml file cannot be used to build Nutch core nor the plugins but
> >was used by Eclipse users to easily import the project and get the
> >dependencies, which can be done very neatly with the 'ant eclipse' task or
> >by using the IvyDE plugin for Eclipse. Moreover there is no guarantee
> >that
> >it is in sync with the content of the Ivy deps.
> >
> >I suggest that we remove the pom.xml file from the source (and the
> >releases) to get rid of this source of confusion. Apart from the solutions
> >I just mentioned to get the dependencies in Eclipse etc... there is always
> >the option of calling 'ant deploy' to generate a fresh new pom.xml if you
> >really need one.
> >
> >Can we please have your views on this?
> >
> >[+1] yes
> >[-1] no, here is why...
> >[0] don't mind
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Julien
> >
> >--
> >
> >Open Source Solutions for Text Engineering
> >
> >http://digitalpebble.blogspot.com/
> >http://www.digitalpebble.com
> >http://twitter.com/digitalpebble
>
>
--
Open Source Solutions for Text Engineering
http://digitalpebble.blogspot.com/
http://www.digitalpebble.com
http://twitter.com/digitalpebble
Re: [DISCUSS] [VOTE] Remove pom.xml from source
Posted by Julien Nioche <li...@gmail.com>.
Hi Chris,
It does. See https://github.com/apache/nutch/blob/trunk/ivy/mvn.template
<https://github.com/apache/nutch/blob/trunk/ivy/mvn.template>, which
contains everything we need to generate the pom.xml, including the dev
list, deps etc... The pom contains nothing else and is fully regenerated
from the template at every release. We can remove it.
Thanks
Julien
On 15 July 2014 19:07, Mattmann, Chris A (3980) <
chris.a.mattmann@jpl.nasa.gov> wrote:
> Hey Julien,
>
> Does the ant deploy generate a fully POM though? I don't think it does
> I think it just generates the dependencies, and not e.g., the developer
> list, etc. So, we need the pom.xml as the template that has that stuff,
until someone cooks up a XSL combining solution with that original template
> and then what ant deploy spits out, no?
>
> Cheers,
> Chris
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Julien Nioche <li...@gmail.com>
> Reply-To: "user@nutch.apache.org" <us...@nutch.apache.org>
> Date: Tuesday, July 15, 2014 3:36 AM
> To: "dev@nutch.apache.org" <de...@nutch.apache.org>, "user@nutch.apache.org"
> <us...@nutch.apache.org>
> Subject: [VOTE] Remove pom.xml from source
>
> >Hi,
> >
> >One of the frequent issues on the mailing list / JIRA is that users can be
> >led to think that Nutch is built with Maven as they can see what looks
> >like
> >a perfectly valid pom.xml at the root of the project. It becomes clearer
> >when reading the WIKI or FAQ that ANT should be used instead but it isn't
> >an unreasonnable assumption, is it?
> >
> >As we know this pom.xml is generated automatically when we publish the
> >Maven artefacts with the deploy task i.e. it is never done by end users
> >and
> >only when we release a new version. This pom.xml is generated from a
> >template file in the ivy dir and uses the ivy dependencies.
> >
> >This pom.xml file cannot be used to build Nutch core nor the plugins but
> >was used by Eclipse users to easily import the project and get the
> >dependencies, which can be done very neatly with the 'ant eclipse' task or
> >by using the IvyDE plugin for Eclipse. Moreover there is no guarantee
> >that
> >it is in sync with the content of the Ivy deps.
> >
> >I suggest that we remove the pom.xml file from the source (and the
> >releases) to get rid of this source of confusion. Apart from the solutions
> >I just mentioned to get the dependencies in Eclipse etc... there is always
> >the option of calling 'ant deploy' to generate a fresh new pom.xml if you
> >really need one.
> >
> >Can we please have your views on this?
> >
> >[+1] yes
> >[-1] no, here is why...
> >[0] don't mind
> >
> >Thanks
> >
> >Julien
> >
> >--
> >
> >Open Source Solutions for Text Engineering
> >
> >http://digitalpebble.blogspot.com/
> >http://www.digitalpebble.com
> >http://twitter.com/digitalpebble
>
>
--
Open Source Solutions for Text Engineering
http://digitalpebble.blogspot.com/
http://www.digitalpebble.com
http://twitter.com/digitalpebble