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Posted to users@openoffice.apache.org by Arthur Schwarz <as...@att.net> on 2014/01/07 00:48:36 UTC
Reading and Exporting spreadsheets
Win7
cygwin
I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it using my cygwin alias "alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/scalc.exe'" it (basically) says "what's that" but when I use open office directly and use "Recent Documents" it seems to have no problem. is my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine.
Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't recognize the file. It comes up with "no such directory or file. But when I go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand, using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe.
Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer. I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet.
Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above.
Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell?
Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Carmen Putrino <ca...@yahoo.com>.
Why am I getting this email?
Sent from my iPhone
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 7:28 PM, Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers
> <an...@att.net> wrote:
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent
>> in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of
>> seemingly-valid protocols & get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), & then
>> you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, & get an
>> entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would
>> indicate that there are instances of differing, &, consequently,
>> inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency
>> in OOo code in another area.
>>
>> I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ &
>> correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them & "move on" (as embodied
>> in the posting: "I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something
>> else?"), throw up their hands & say that such inherent problems are just "a
>> fact of life--so live w/ them," or, simply, verbally abuse & belittle the
>> OOo users who point them out to this "community"?
>
>
> So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and
> determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration
> issue in Cygwin. Wow, that was fast! Maybe now that you've
> troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to
> submit a patch to fix it? Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing
> how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice
> issue?
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Anthony J. Rudgers
>> Orlando, FL U.S.A.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Schwarz
>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM
>> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets
>>
>> Win7
>> cygwin
>>
>> I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it
>> using my cygwin alias "alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\
>> 4/program/scalc.exe'" it (basically) says "what's that" but when I use open
>> office directly and use "Recent Documents" it seems to have no problem. is
>> my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias
>> odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine.
>>
>> Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf
>> file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't
>> recognize the file. It comes up with "no such directory or file. But when I
>> go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The
>> filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand,
>> using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe.
>>
>> Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer.
>> I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list
>> it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet.
>>
>> Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do
>> not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file
>> is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to
>> adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above.
>>
>>
>> Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or
>> someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell?
>>
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RE: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Think <th...@gmail.com>.
I think we ruled out the "troll" possibility with the user at issue. Nothing like the smell of napalm in the evening.
I also believe that this user, below, should be banned for attacking another user on this listersv.
Brenda Hart Neihouse
-----Original Message-----
From: TN Patriot [mailto:irgunii@gmail.com]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 12:19 AM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 23:09:55 -0500
"Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Once, someone told me I
> digressed too much and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my
> verbiage.
They were right. Also, I'm a 'disabled' person and I wouldn't and don't *ever* want
you "yelling" at anyone for me.
>
> I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew
> what a computer was.
>
> Brenda Hart Neihouse
>
You're also apparently too stupid to realize that the OP is a troll and this is his
second attempt in two days to stir FUD with absolutely nothing to back up what
he's whining about (that's why he has to keep using "imho"'s so often, hint, hint)
It's also neat to know you're a mind reader and know you're "older than most of us
on here". Again your use of a straw man argument is nothing but lame. Your attempt
to tell everyone how great you are and how the planet should admire all you've
done - whether real or imagined and mostly for/about yourself only - will only
rile up us peons you love to denigrate (your word) yourself, because no one likes
a pompous hypocrite ass *telling* us how much smarter and better they are when
they're too stupid to see a group of people *DO* help when an actual post *ASKING*
for it comes up...*NOT* when an imbecile of a troll comes on here only to try and
put down an application he's not backing up with any instances of his so-called
claims.
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Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting
spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by TN Patriot <ir...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 23:09:55 -0500
"Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Once, someone told me I
> digressed too much and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my
> verbiage.
They were right. Also, I'm a 'disabled' person and I wouldn't and don't *ever* want
you "yelling" at anyone for me.
>
> I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew
> what a computer was.
>
> Brenda Hart Neihouse
>
You're also apparently too stupid to realize that the OP is a troll and this is his
second attempt in two days to stir FUD with absolutely nothing to back up what
he's whining about (that's why he has to keep using "imho"'s so often, hint, hint)
It's also neat to know you're a mind reader and know you're "older than most of us
on here". Again your use of a straw man argument is nothing but lame. Your attempt
to tell everyone how great you are and how the planet should admire all you've
done - whether real or imagined and mostly for/about yourself only - will only
rile up us peons you love to denigrate (your word) yourself, because no one likes
a pompous hypocrite ass *telling* us how much smarter and better they are when
they're too stupid to see a group of people *DO* help when an actual post *ASKING*
for it comes up...*NOT* when an imbecile of a troll comes on here only to try and
put down an application he's not backing up with any instances of his so-called
claims.
--
http://www.lawcollective.org/ Learn your rights through cartoons!
http://www.roadblock.org/rights/ Know your rights about and at roadblocks!
http://fija.org/ Learn about Jury Nullification! Take back your rights from the
over-reaching: police, justice system and government!
Why does the government want to ban semi-auto weapons? Because you won’t get in
the box car willingly.
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RE: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Think <th...@gmail.com>.
Thank you Vincent. I am a girl, even though I show up as "think." My name is
Brenda.
It's nice to know that I am not the only person on this listserv who expects
people to be nice to each other.
Brenda Hart Neihouse
From: Vincent Juliano [mailto:vjuliano@optonline.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 4:36 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting
spreadsheets--another commentary
BOB HOLTZMAN,
You're exactly the people he's talking about. Unfortunately you broke a
resolve and responded. His points are well taken. Perhaps your MOM didn't
teach YOU to say nice things or be quiet.
I am very old and probably out of my depth with all the new young
whippersnappers but Good manners have never gone away. There's just a lot of
people who cannot incorporate Binaural with social grace.
On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 11:09:55PM -0500, Think wrote:
I seldom reply to trolls but I'll make an exception in this case.
I have been quietly watching the notes back and forth and have only once or
twice ventured into the writing and reading space of this list. Once,
someone told me I digressed too much and that I was wrong for having
bothered everyone with my verbiage.
True.
I was like "wow, dude. I thought the listserv was for talking about the
product."
Again true. Get it?
Since then, I have been watching and reading.
Personally, I am disgusted at how many of you treat each other.
I am an advocate for disabled people. I "yell" at people for a "living" (I
don't get paid for it so I have to use the "".) And even I refuse to stoop
so low as to denigrate someone for being frustrated or for having newbie
problems.
I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you
knew what a computer was. I hand coded HTML from the early 90's until 2002.
I owned a brand development firm. I ran five businesses. My largest project
management job was a 14million$ project in my early 30's. I am currently
relearning CSS after going 12 years without coding a website, because I was
doing other things. I am learning it so I can direct our web designer and
our back end coder.
My God you're wonderful.
Open office is interesting to me because our project, the elai Project, will
be licensed wholly under the Creative Commons License. So I wanted to
specify one all purpose software package for the project, and for every
organization that adopts the package. Initially, elai will help to make
libraries completely accessible to disabled people. Hospitals are next, with
police stations, and many other locally, state and federally funded
organizations following.
But after watching you guys take pot shots at each other and work from an "I
don't have to be nice to anyone" paradigm, I am about to throw in the towel
on OO or alternatively to warn elai Project participants to stay away from
the listserv.
Be nice. Grow up. Get outside of yourselves and help each other. Focus on
where you connect and not where you disagree.
And posters: don't assume that everyone is here to help you. They have their
own lives and their own jobs and their own families and priorities. Be
polite. Don't be a bull in a china shop.
In case you haven't already learned it, attitudes are learned early in
life. You aren't going to change them by lecturing on this (or any
other) list. Save your figurative breath and your time. If it's too much
for you to bear, well.....don't let the door hit you on your way out.
And if more experienced users set a good example, it's more likely the
newbies will follow suit.
Likely this list needs a moderator. Does it have one? I am not stepping up
for the job, but someone with a sense of Zen and no fear of confrontation
should.
If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's
have a policy of no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their
ISP's before and I will do it again. There is a difference between free
speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected under the Constitution
and your ISP's won't tolerate it either.
Threats can get you kicked off the list if you continue.
Please stop treating each other like garbage. For none of you is garbage.
Each of you just comes from your own singular perspective, some of you are
frustrated, some of you don't understand how this works and some of you need
some perspective.
Perspective, best served up warm.
Sure thing, Mom.
P.S. It appears that you're unfamiliar with the protocol of posting to a
mail list re: over quoting.
--
Bob Holtzman
Your mail is being read by tight lipped
NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor
Strangelove
Key ID 8D549279
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Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another
commentary
Posted by Vincent Juliano <vj...@optonline.net>.
BOB HOLTZMAN,
You're exactly the people he's talking about. Unfortunately you broke a resolve and responded. His points are well taken. Perhaps your MOM didn't teach YOU to say nice things or be quiet.
I am very old and probably out of my depth with all the new young whippersnappers but Good manners have never gone away. There's just a lot of people who cannot incorporate Binaural with social grace.
On Jan 7, 2014, at 3:31 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 11:09:55PM -0500, Think wrote:
>
> I seldom reply to trolls but I'll make an exception in this case.
>
>> I have been quietly watching the notes back and forth and have only once or twice ventured into the writing and reading space of this list. Once, someone told me I digressed too much and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my verbiage.
>
> True.
>
>> I was like "wow, dude. I thought the listserv was for talking about the product."
>
> Again true. Get it?
>
>> Since then, I have been watching and reading.
>>
>> Personally, I am disgusted at how many of you treat each other.
>>
>> I am an advocate for disabled people. I "yell" at people for a "living" (I don't get paid for it so I have to use the "".) And even I refuse to stoop so low as to denigrate someone for being frustrated or for having newbie problems.
>>
>> I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew what a computer was. I hand coded HTML from the early 90's until 2002. I owned a brand development firm. I ran five businesses. My largest project management job was a 14million$ project in my early 30's. I am currently relearning CSS after going 12 years without coding a website, because I was doing other things. I am learning it so I can direct our web designer and our back end coder.
>
> My God you're wonderful.
>
>>
>> Open office is interesting to me because our project, the elai Project, will be licensed wholly under the Creative Commons License. So I wanted to specify one all purpose software package for the project, and for every organization that adopts the package. Initially, elai will help to make libraries completely accessible to disabled people. Hospitals are next, with police stations, and many other locally, state and federally funded organizations following.
>>
>> But after watching you guys take pot shots at each other and work from an "I don't have to be nice to anyone" paradigm, I am about to throw in the towel on OO or alternatively to warn elai Project participants to stay away from the listserv.
>>
>> Be nice. Grow up. Get outside of yourselves and help each other. Focus on where you connect and not where you disagree.
>>
>> And posters: don’t assume that everyone is here to help you. They have their own lives and their own jobs and their own families and priorities. Be polite. Don't be a bull in a china shop.
>
> In case you haven't already learned it, attitudes are learned early in
> life. You aren't going to change them by lecturing on this (or any
> other) list. Save your figurative breath and your time. If it's too much
> for you to bear, well.....don't let the door hit you on your way out.
>
>>
>> And if more experienced users set a good example, it's more likely the newbies will follow suit.
>>
>> Likely this list needs a moderator. Does it have one? I am not stepping up for the job, but someone with a sense of Zen and no fear of confrontation should.
>>
>> If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's have a policy of no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their ISP's before and I will do it again. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected under the Constitution and your ISP's won't tolerate it either.
>
> Threats can get you kicked off the list if you continue.
>
>>
>> Please stop treating each other like garbage. For none of you is garbage. Each of you just comes from your own singular perspective, some of you are frustrated, some of you don't understand how this works and some of you need some perspective.
>>
>> Perspective, best served up warm.
>
> Sure thing, Mom.
>
> P.S. It appears that you're unfamiliar with the protocol of posting to a
> mail list re: over quoting.
>
> --
> Bob Holtzman
> Your mail is being read by tight lipped
> NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor
> Strangelove
> Key ID 8D549279
Vincent Juliano
vjuliano@optonline.net
RE: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Think <th...@gmail.com>.
Actually, according to my Philosophy/Logics prof at UGA, attacking someone
does invalidate the argument. Any time there is a personal attack of any
kind, it shows an inability or lack of willingness to debate the "facts" in
evidence. Hence, attacking someone says "I am not going to play fair and
work with logic."
Brenda Hart Neihouse
-----Original Message-----
From: felmon davis [mailto:moelmoel2714@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Felmon Davis
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 1:04 AM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: RE: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting
spreadsheets--another commentary
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014, Think wrote:
> And again, we have the concept of "ad hominem." Attacking me voids
> your argument. This is not about me. This is about the behavior of
> those who post on this listserv.
minor correction: attacking a person does not void an argument.
suppose I say, "p implies q, q implies r, therefore p implies r, you
fool!" the argument is valid (not 'void') but I have also attacked a
person.
an 'ad hominem argument' is the fallacy of attempting to invalidate a
position because of some feature of the person holding the argument,
"ah, you only say that because you're a republican!" is an ad hominem
fallacy.
impoliteness does not 'void' arguments.
F.
--
Felmon Davis
I've enjoyed just about as much of this as I can stand.
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RE: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another
commentary
Posted by Felmon Davis <da...@union.edu>.
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014, Think wrote:
> And again, we have the concept of "ad hominem." Attacking me voids
> your argument. This is not about me. This is about the behavior of
> those who post on this listserv.
minor correction: attacking a person does not void an argument.
suppose I say, "p implies q, q implies r, therefore p implies r, you
fool!" the argument is valid (not 'void') but I have also attacked a
person.
an 'ad hominem argument' is the fallacy of attempting to invalidate a
position because of some feature of the person holding the argument,
"ah, you only say that because you're a republican!" is an ad hominem
fallacy.
impoliteness does not 'void' arguments.
F.
--
Felmon Davis
I've enjoyed just about as much of this as I can stand.
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RE: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Think <th...@gmail.com>.
Troll, per Wikipedia:
"In Internet slang, a troll (/ˈtroʊl/, /ˈtrɒl/) is a person who sows discord on the Internet by starting arguments or upsetting people,[1] by posting inflammatory,[2] extraneous, or off-topic messages in an online community (such as a forum, chat room, or blog), either accidentally[3][4] or with the deliberate intent of provoking readers into an emotional response[5] or of otherwise disrupting normal on-topic discussion.[6]"
"Like any pejorative term, it can be used as an ad hominem attack, suggesting a negative motivation"
I believe the topic had something to do with people commenting how people were treating each other on this listserv. So I was on topic.
I was calling on people in the group to act in a coordinated manner to ensure that the dripping sarcasm, bullying and abuse stopped on this listserv. Trolls work to sew discord, not to protect other people.
I was not looking to provoke an emotional response, I was looking to urge the listserv members and the moderators to reassess what was happening on this listserv and to behave appropriately. I think I succeeded in this area. I actually think the moderators should be replaced. That is not a threat, that is merely my opinion. If this much nastiness is being tolerated by the moderators and people are not getting banned for this behavior, the moderators are failing and should be replaced.
As to mailing lists. I sit on a mailing list of over 1100 users at a major university, most of them work at the university. I am well aware of proper etiquette regarding listservs. Additionally I utilized listservs and BBS' before most people had an internet connection, and I op'd on IRC on dal.net on a channel with hundreds of thousands of users. I work in policy and law. Every. Day. I believe in obeying the same rules that I ask others to obey.
And again, we have the concept of "ad hominem." Attacking me voids your argument. This is not about me. This is about the behavior of those who post on this listserv.
And yes, I believe in spreading "wonderful." I gave up my entire weekend to help a Chinese scholar at my university who didn't speak English get her power back on -- her brother did not pay the bill from China and she has a seven year old. I put aside my work the entire weekend, despite being under deadline, and also part of yesterday to do so. I am not a hero, I am just a neighbor. What did you do with your weekend Mr. Holtzman? After all if you are going to attack me publicly, we might as well get to know each other. (And what I just stated was on topic as no one has seen fit to publicly dress down Mr. Holtzman for this topic turn, so I will follow it.)
Brenda Hart Neihouse
PS: an interesting quote I ran across tonight:
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he doesn't become a monster.
Friedrich Nietzsche
-----Original Message-----
From: Robert Holtzman [mailto:holtzm@cox.net]
Sent: Tuesday, January 07, 2014 3:32 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 11:09:55PM -0500, Think wrote:
I seldom reply to trolls but I'll make an exception in this case.
> I have been quietly watching the notes back and forth and have only once or twice ventured into the writing and reading space of this list. Once, someone told me I digressed too much and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my verbiage.
True.
> I was like "wow, dude. I thought the listserv was for talking about the product."
Again true. Get it?
> Since then, I have been watching and reading.
>
> Personally, I am disgusted at how many of you treat each other.
>
> I am an advocate for disabled people. I "yell" at people for a "living" (I don't get paid for it so I have to use the "".) And even I refuse to stoop so low as to denigrate someone for being frustrated or for having newbie problems.
>
> I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew what a computer was. I hand coded HTML from the early 90's until 2002. I owned a brand development firm. I ran five businesses. My largest project management job was a 14million$ project in my early 30's. I am currently relearning CSS after going 12 years without coding a website, because I was doing other things. I am learning it so I can direct our web designer and our back end coder.
My God you're wonderful.
>
> Open office is interesting to me because our project, the elai Project, will be licensed wholly under the Creative Commons License. So I wanted to specify one all purpose software package for the project, and for every organization that adopts the package. Initially, elai will help to make libraries completely accessible to disabled people. Hospitals are next, with police stations, and many other locally, state and federally funded organizations following.
>
> But after watching you guys take pot shots at each other and work from an "I don't have to be nice to anyone" paradigm, I am about to throw in the towel on OO or alternatively to warn elai Project participants to stay away from the listserv.
>
> Be nice. Grow up. Get outside of yourselves and help each other. Focus on where you connect and not where you disagree.
>
> And posters: don’t assume that everyone is here to help you. They have their own lives and their own jobs and their own families and priorities. Be polite. Don't be a bull in a china shop.
In case you haven't already learned it, attitudes are learned early in life. You aren't going to change them by lecturing on this (or any
other) list. Save your figurative breath and your time. If it's too much for you to bear, well.....don't let the door hit you on your way out.
>
> And if more experienced users set a good example, it's more likely the newbies will follow suit.
>
> Likely this list needs a moderator. Does it have one? I am not stepping up for the job, but someone with a sense of Zen and no fear of confrontation should.
>
> If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's have a policy of no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their ISP's before and I will do it again. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected under the Constitution and your ISP's won't tolerate it either.
Threats can get you kicked off the list if you continue.
>
> Please stop treating each other like garbage. For none of you is garbage. Each of you just comes from your own singular perspective, some of you are frustrated, some of you don't understand how this works and some of you need some perspective.
>
> Perspective, best served up warm.
Sure thing, Mom.
P.S. It appears that you're unfamiliar with the protocol of posting to a mail list re: over quoting.
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Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another
commentary
Posted by Robert Holtzman <ho...@cox.net>.
On Mon, Jan 06, 2014 at 11:09:55PM -0500, Think wrote:
I seldom reply to trolls but I'll make an exception in this case.
> I have been quietly watching the notes back and forth and have only once or twice ventured into the writing and reading space of this list. Once, someone told me I digressed too much and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my verbiage.
True.
> I was like "wow, dude. I thought the listserv was for talking about the product."
Again true. Get it?
> Since then, I have been watching and reading.
>
> Personally, I am disgusted at how many of you treat each other.
>
> I am an advocate for disabled people. I "yell" at people for a "living" (I don't get paid for it so I have to use the "".) And even I refuse to stoop so low as to denigrate someone for being frustrated or for having newbie problems.
>
> I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew what a computer was. I hand coded HTML from the early 90's until 2002. I owned a brand development firm. I ran five businesses. My largest project management job was a 14million$ project in my early 30's. I am currently relearning CSS after going 12 years without coding a website, because I was doing other things. I am learning it so I can direct our web designer and our back end coder.
My God you're wonderful.
>
> Open office is interesting to me because our project, the elai Project, will be licensed wholly under the Creative Commons License. So I wanted to specify one all purpose software package for the project, and for every organization that adopts the package. Initially, elai will help to make libraries completely accessible to disabled people. Hospitals are next, with police stations, and many other locally, state and federally funded organizations following.
>
> But after watching you guys take pot shots at each other and work from an "I don't have to be nice to anyone" paradigm, I am about to throw in the towel on OO or alternatively to warn elai Project participants to stay away from the listserv.
>
> Be nice. Grow up. Get outside of yourselves and help each other. Focus on where you connect and not where you disagree.
>
> And posters: don’t assume that everyone is here to help you. They have their own lives and their own jobs and their own families and priorities. Be polite. Don't be a bull in a china shop.
In case you haven't already learned it, attitudes are learned early in
life. You aren't going to change them by lecturing on this (or any
other) list. Save your figurative breath and your time. If it's too much
for you to bear, well.....don't let the door hit you on your way out.
>
> And if more experienced users set a good example, it's more likely the newbies will follow suit.
>
> Likely this list needs a moderator. Does it have one? I am not stepping up for the job, but someone with a sense of Zen and no fear of confrontation should.
>
> If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's have a policy of no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their ISP's before and I will do it again. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected under the Constitution and your ISP's won't tolerate it either.
Threats can get you kicked off the list if you continue.
>
> Please stop treating each other like garbage. For none of you is garbage. Each of you just comes from your own singular perspective, some of you are frustrated, some of you don't understand how this works and some of you need some perspective.
>
> Perspective, best served up warm.
Sure thing, Mom.
P.S. It appears that you're unfamiliar with the protocol of posting to a
mail list re: over quoting.
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Re: Reminder on list policy
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 11:47 PM, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>wrote:
> Rob Weir wrote:
>
>> Speaking as a list moderator (yes we do have them) I'd like to remind
>> all posters that threats will not be tolerated on this list.
>>
>
> You can ask INFRA to add a link to the list conduct guidelines
> http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html
> to the footer of every list post.
>
+1 I think this would be an excellent idea!
>
> Also, I've seen messages in this thread (not by Rob; I'm simply answering
> here) calling people "stupid", "imbecile" and so on. Please do refrain from
> using that language. We do have moderators, but of course they can only act
> after the fact. If everybody sticks to the guidelines and does not use
> offensive language, life will be easier.
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
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Re: Reminder on list policy
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
Rob Weir wrote:
> Speaking as a list moderator (yes we do have them) I'd like to remind
> all posters that threats will not be tolerated on this list.
You can ask INFRA to add a link to the list conduct guidelines
http://openoffice.apache.org/list-conduct.html
to the footer of every list post.
Also, I've seen messages in this thread (not by Rob; I'm simply
answering here) calling people "stupid", "imbecile" and so on. Please do
refrain from using that language. We do have moderators, but of course
they can only act after the fact. If everybody sticks to the guidelines
and does not use offensive language, life will be easier.
Regards,
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Re: Reminder on list policy
Posted by Linda Hull <ch...@gmail.com>.
In the 1980s and more in the 90s, Unix and Linux developers began the
'Developer Attitude' - "We know it all and you are just too stupid to find
it out yet. Go read the (curse word) manual, you misbegotten worm!"
Sadly, this attitude became the "Cool thing to do", continuing in many Help
forums, Email, and on IRC.
We are only now, in the 21st Century, coming to realize that this attitude,
albeit in long-time practice by many, isn't such a good idea.
Users want reasonable attitudes from helpers.
There are more alternatives now than ever before. A person doesn't have to
take endless abuse to get (or give) help.
In fact, if helpers and forum managers will take the time to be pleasant
and listen, and reply decently to normal user's questions, they will be
rewarded with increased activity and usually more people using and enjoying
the product.
I mentioned IRC because the Irc.Freenode.Org #OpenOffice channel is often
empty of helpers and if anyone feels like answering a few question he or
she might be able to please a lot of people.
Thank you everyone for providing assistance to all users of Apache
OpenOffice.
Linda
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 4:18 PM, Alan B <ab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 to BHN regarding her desire for a civil list that provides supportive
> direction to people seeking help and one on which asking a question doesn't
> open the poster to incivil responses.
>
>
> On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Brian Waldner <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Delete!
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Robert Holtzman <ho...@cox.net> wrote:
> >
> > > On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:44:26AM -0600, TN Patriot wrote:
> > >> On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500
> > >> "Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>
> > >>> The fact that...
> > >>
> > >> You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when
> someone
> > disagrees
> > >> with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're
> > one of those
> > >> 'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing
> > about law
> > >> and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in
> > any way you
> > >> deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have
> > - threats of
> > >> censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe
> you
> > can
> > >> scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have
> been
> > around
> > >> people like you for a looooong time.
> > >
> > > He/she is exhibiting typical troll behavior. They will drag the thread
> > > out as long as possible. They want as many replies as they can get.
> It's
> > > an ego trip. Hence the frequent warning "don't feed the trolls". I do
> > > have to admit that this one's good. He/she is more irritating than
> most.
> > > If it keeps up I really wish the moderators would do something about
> it.
> > >
> > > BTW, I say he/she because a troll can always mask their
> > > identity/gender.
> > >
> > > .......snip......
> > >
> > > --
> > > Bob Holtzman
> > > Your mail is being read by tight lipped
> > > NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor
> > > Strangelove
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Re: Reminder on list policy
Posted by Alan B <ab...@gmail.com>.
+1 to BHN regarding her desire for a civil list that provides supportive
direction to people seeking help and one on which asking a question doesn't
open the poster to incivil responses.
On Wed, Jan 8, 2014 at 3:52 PM, Brian Waldner <bh...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Delete!
>
>
>
>
> On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Robert Holtzman <ho...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:44:26AM -0600, TN Patriot wrote:
> >> On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500
> >> "Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> The fact that...
> >>
> >> You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone
> disagrees
> >> with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're
> one of those
> >> 'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing
> about law
> >> and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in
> any way you
> >> deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have
> - threats of
> >> censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you
> can
> >> scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been
> around
> >> people like you for a looooong time.
> >
> > He/she is exhibiting typical troll behavior. They will drag the thread
> > out as long as possible. They want as many replies as they can get. It's
> > an ego trip. Hence the frequent warning "don't feed the trolls". I do
> > have to admit that this one's good. He/she is more irritating than most.
> > If it keeps up I really wish the moderators would do something about it.
> >
> > BTW, I say he/she because a troll can always mask their
> > identity/gender.
> >
> > .......snip......
> >
> > --
> > Bob Holtzman
> > Your mail is being read by tight lipped
> > NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor
> > Strangelove
> > Key ID 8D549279
>
>
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Re: Reminder on list policy
Posted by Brian Waldner <bh...@gmail.com>.
Delete!
On Jan 8, 2014, at 3:47 PM, Robert Holtzman <ho...@cox.net> wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:44:26AM -0600, TN Patriot wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500
>> "Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The fact that...
>>
>> You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees
>> with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those
>> 'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law
>> and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you
>> deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have - threats of
>> censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you can
>> scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been around
>> people like you for a looooong time.
>
> He/she is exhibiting typical troll behavior. They will drag the thread
> out as long as possible. They want as many replies as they can get. It's
> an ego trip. Hence the frequent warning "don't feed the trolls". I do
> have to admit that this one's good. He/she is more irritating than most.
> If it keeps up I really wish the moderators would do something about it.
>
> BTW, I say he/she because a troll can always mask their
> identity/gender.
>
> .......snip......
>
> --
> Bob Holtzman
> Your mail is being read by tight lipped
> NSA agents who fail to see humor in Doctor
> Strangelove
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Re: Reminder on list policy
Posted by John Meyer <jo...@pueblocomputing.com>.
On 1/8/2014 1:47 PM, Robert Holtzman wrote:
> On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:44:26AM -0600, TN Patriot wrote:
>> On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500
>> "Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> The fact that...
>> You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees
>> with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those
>> 'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law
>> and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you
>> deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have - threats of
>> censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you can
>> scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been around
>> people like you for a looooong time.
> He/she is exhibiting typical troll behavior. They will drag the thread
> out as long as possible. They want as many replies as they can get. It's
> an ego trip. Hence the frequent warning "don't feed the trolls". I do
> have to admit that this one's good. He/she is more irritating than most.
> If it keeps up I really wish the moderators would do something about it.
>
> BTW, I say he/she because a troll can always mask their
> identity/gender.
Best response is typically a good plonking.
>
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Re: Reminder on list policy
Posted by Robert Holtzman <ho...@cox.net>.
On Wed, Jan 08, 2014 at 08:44:26AM -0600, TN Patriot wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500
> "Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > The fact that...
>
> You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees
> with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those
> 'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law
> and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you
> deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have - threats of
> censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you can
> scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been around
> people like you for a looooong time.
He/she is exhibiting typical troll behavior. They will drag the thread
out as long as possible. They want as many replies as they can get. It's
an ego trip. Hence the frequent warning "don't feed the trolls". I do
have to admit that this one's good. He/she is more irritating than most.
If it keeps up I really wish the moderators would do something about it.
BTW, I say he/she because a troll can always mask their
identity/gender.
.......snip......
--
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RE: Reminder on list policy
Posted by Think <th...@gmail.com>.
A moderator who is asking for calm, shouldn’t be using exclamation marks.
Try educating the users on the policies of the list and how following those policies will keep the list safe for all to comment.
Also, provide the emails of all moderators and explain that the complaint process drives investigation into specific comments and instances, and that the group of moderators are not actually reading the entirety of the listserv at any point, because of their individual workloads. Hence, if someone feels bullied or harassed, they have to complain to a moderator. How would they complaint to a moderator without knowing the email addresses of the moderators?
Does OO send you a file up front telling you the rules and policies of the list and how to remediate problems?
I would say you just failed as a moderator for this list.
I know that sounds cold and hard hearted, however I would like this list to work, which is why I posted in the first place.
Brenda Hart Neihouse
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Junge [mailto:peter.junge@gmx.org]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 10:05 AM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Reminder on list policy
Please calm down! The only result of fueling the fire of such
discussions will be that users, who are solely interested in finding
support here, will leave.
Peter
On 01/08/2014 10:44 PM, TN Patriot wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500
> "Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The fact that...
>
> You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees
> with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those
> 'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law
> and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you
> deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have - threats of
> censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you can
> scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been around
> people like you for a looooong time.
>
> By the way, that's *your* prerogative to be exposed to the world by putting your
> name out there on the internet, no one's accused you of being intelligent yet. Me,
> I don't put mine out there because it's unnecessary and I don't fall for baseless
> and petulent little barbs like that particular kind. Have you told *everyone* you
> e-mail, interact with on forums/websites, and any other way on the internet to
> expose their real names so anyone on the planet can get information about them,
> whether you like them or not? Yeah, I didn't think so.
>
>
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Re: Reminder on list policy
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
Please calm down! The only result of fueling the fire of such
discussions will be that users, who are solely interested in finding
support here, will leave.
Peter
On 01/08/2014 10:44 PM, TN Patriot wrote:
> On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500
> "Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> The fact that...
>
> You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees
> with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those
> 'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law
> and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you
> deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have - threats of
> censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you can
> scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been around
> people like you for a looooong time.
>
> By the way, that's *your* prerogative to be exposed to the world by putting your
> name out there on the internet, no one's accused you of being intelligent yet. Me,
> I don't put mine out there because it's unnecessary and I don't fall for baseless
> and petulent little barbs like that particular kind. Have you told *everyone* you
> e-mail, interact with on forums/websites, and any other way on the internet to
> expose their real names so anyone on the planet can get information about them,
> whether you like them or not? Yeah, I didn't think so.
>
>
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Re: Reminder on list policy
Posted by Jim Plante <ji...@me.com>.
Or for the moderators to simply suspend your subscription. Please follow your own advice. I'm getting tired of deleting you.
On Jan 8, 2014, at 12:31 PM, Think wrote:
> All it will take is for the moderators to step up and ensure that this list is fair, equitable, open to all;
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RE: Reminder on list policy
Posted by Think <th...@gmail.com>.
All it will take is for the moderators to step up and ensure that this list is fair, equitable, open to all; that people who post on this list will not be bullied or ravaged, no matter how "stupid" or simple the question.
As one of those who is keeping this issue alive, I fully understand how my advocacy and the advocacy of others may be interfering with the "normal" business of this list. However, the "normal" business of this list included people berating newbies, bullying people into submission and being quiet, and generally harassing anyone who dared to step into the ring and say "enough." Obviously, some of those people have gone after me and tried to bully me. What they do not realize is that I am "Unbulliable." I deal with much bigger monsters in the real world and routinely stand up to them as well. Hence, I am relentless.
I am charging the moderators to do their jobs, for the people on this list to be civil, and for politeness and helpfulness to be qualities that are cultivated. I know that this is contrary to what is going on in the world, but I do know that there are good people out there.
When I get a full list of all moderators and the names and emails of the people who choose moderators, I will take this offlist, as I have already done in some cases. But what I am hearing from the moderators is not positive as far as the list is concerned. And of note: I was told by one moderator that any challenges to the moderators as to their job performance should be done on-list. More mob rule, instead of ensuring the policies and rules are adhered to.
Believe me, I, as all of us, have better things to do with my time. But I, as many of you, have an investment in using this product. (In my case I want to specify it as the software for all libraries, nationwide in the US to utilize for an ADA compliance project.) Those of us with an investment in this product, also have an investment in a safe, open environment in which to get help. THAT wasn't happening before I typed anything. That is why I posted.
Asking questions and getting help doesn’t matter if you have to get bullied to get the help. If that happens, this listserv and the product itself is no better than Microsoft. And yes, the Federal government has guidelines about bullying. Regardless of the server this project is housed on, when emails go to US recipients, certain laws have to be followed.
Brenda Hart Neihouse
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Parkhurst [mailto:Jim.Parkhurst@txdot.gov]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 12:47 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: RE: Reminder on list policy
Ya' know, all of this bantering has become LONG past being something to attempt to read. Please go to your respective corners and stop this nonsense. Or the list risks the possibility of losing lurkers - such as myself - to mindless bantering that has long since lost its appeal of anything relevant.
Jim Parkhurst
Jim.Parkhurst(at)TXDOT[dot]GOV
Work Hours = 07:00-16:00 [Central]
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From: Think [mailto:thinktanky@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 11:29 AM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: RE: Reminder on list policy
irgunii@gmail.com
https://www.mail-archive.com/slackbuilds-users@slackbuilds.org/msg08961.html
http://slackware.org.uk/slackbuilds.org/14.0/academic/convertall/convertall.SlackBuild
John Berger, you already put your name on the internet. So you have already exercised that "prerogative." Why not be a human and put it on here?
It would be one thing if you weren't attacking anyone. But here in the US, we have this thing about facing the people who are persecuting us.
It's only bullies that hide. If you have nothing at stake, for instance your good name, you have no reason to behave yourself.
And yes, I am all for people protecting their privacy ESPECIALLY if they are in a forum where people are hostile and bulling is de rigeur and acceptable.
Brenda Hart Neihouse
PS: about the "do as I say" comment: you have no idea if I do or do not do as I say. So that's an entirely false argument. If you want to know, you would have to talk to my daughter or any of the people I work with or work for. You might also talk to the people for whom I have advocacated. Right, you don't have access to any of those people. So you made an assumption from what data? Another personal attack.
-----Original Message-----
From: TN Patriot [mailto:irgunii@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:44 AM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Reminder on list policy
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500
"Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The fact that...
You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees
with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those
'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law
and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you
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RE: Reminder on list policy
Posted by Jim Parkhurst <Ji...@txdot.gov>.
Ya' know, all of this bantering has become LONG past being something to attempt to read. Please go to your respective corners and stop this nonsense. Or the list risks the possibility of losing lurkers - such as myself - to mindless bantering that has long since lost its appeal of anything relevant.
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Subject: RE: Reminder on list policy
irgunii@gmail.com
https://www.mail-archive.com/slackbuilds-users@slackbuilds.org/msg08961.html
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John Berger, you already put your name on the internet. So you have already exercised that "prerogative." Why not be a human and put it on here?
It would be one thing if you weren't attacking anyone. But here in the US, we have this thing about facing the people who are persecuting us.
It's only bullies that hide. If you have nothing at stake, for instance your good name, you have no reason to behave yourself.
And yes, I am all for people protecting their privacy ESPECIALLY if they are in a forum where people are hostile and bulling is de rigeur and acceptable.
Brenda Hart Neihouse
PS: about the "do as I say" comment: you have no idea if I do or do not do as I say. So that's an entirely false argument. If you want to know, you would have to talk to my daughter or any of the people I work with or work for. You might also talk to the people for whom I have advocacated. Right, you don't have access to any of those people. So you made an assumption from what data? Another personal attack.
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From: TN Patriot [mailto:irgunii@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:44 AM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Reminder on list policy
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500
"Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The fact that...
You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees
with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those
'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law
and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you
deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have - threats of
censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you can
scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been around
people like you for a looooong time.
By the way, that's *your* prerogative to be exposed to the world by putting your
name out there on the internet, no one's accused you of being intelligent yet. Me,
I don't put mine out there because it's unnecessary and I don't fall for baseless
and petulent little barbs like that particular kind. Have you told *everyone* you
e-mail, interact with on forums/websites, and any other way on the internet to
expose their real names so anyone on the planet can get information about them,
whether you like them or not? Yeah, I didn't think so.
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RE: Reminder on list policy
Posted by Think <th...@gmail.com>.
irgunii@gmail.com
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John Berger, you already put your name on the internet. So you have already exercised that "prerogative." Why not be a human and put it on here?
It would be one thing if you weren't attacking anyone. But here in the US, we have this thing about facing the people who are persecuting us.
It's only bullies that hide. If you have nothing at stake, for instance your good name, you have no reason to behave yourself.
And yes, I am all for people protecting their privacy ESPECIALLY if they are in a forum where people are hostile and bulling is de rigeur and acceptable.
Brenda Hart Neihouse
PS: about the "do as I say" comment: you have no idea if I do or do not do as I say. So that's an entirely false argument. If you want to know, you would have to talk to my daughter or any of the people I work with or work for. You might also talk to the people for whom I have advocacated. Right, you don't have access to any of those people. So you made an assumption from what data? Another personal attack.
-----Original Message-----
From: TN Patriot [mailto:irgunii@gmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, January 08, 2014 9:44 AM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Reminder on list policy
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500
"Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The fact that...
You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees
with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those
'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law
and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you
deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have - threats of
censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you can
scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been around
people like you for a looooong time.
By the way, that's *your* prerogative to be exposed to the world by putting your
name out there on the internet, no one's accused you of being intelligent yet. Me,
I don't put mine out there because it's unnecessary and I don't fall for baseless
and petulent little barbs like that particular kind. Have you told *everyone* you
e-mail, interact with on forums/websites, and any other way on the internet to
expose their real names so anyone on the planet can get information about them,
whether you like them or not? Yeah, I didn't think so.
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Re: Reminder on list policy
Posted by TN Patriot <ir...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:47:54 -0500
"Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The fact that...
You go on, and on, and on, and on, blathering and whining when someone disagrees
with you, yet anything you seem to want to say is just fine. You're one of those
'do as I say, not as I do' types. That's the reason you start spewing about law
and censoring and threatening the moment anyone disagrees with you in any way you
deem not stroking your ego nicely or softly enough. It's all you have - threats of
censorhip, laws, getting someone shut down, yada yada. You believe you can
scare-tactic people with your threats, but I don't scare and have been around
people like you for a looooong time.
By the way, that's *your* prerogative to be exposed to the world by putting your
name out there on the internet, no one's accused you of being intelligent yet. Me,
I don't put mine out there because it's unnecessary and I don't fall for baseless
and petulent little barbs like that particular kind. Have you told *everyone* you
e-mail, interact with on forums/websites, and any other way on the internet to
expose their real names so anyone on the planet can get information about them,
whether you like them or not? Yeah, I didn't think so.
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RE: Reminder on list policy
Posted by Think <th...@gmail.com>.
The fact that the attached email did not merit a quick censure is beyond me.
Anyone who takes pot shots at a specific person (not a job function) should be banned from the list. That is a general guideline for most listservs.
Ad hominem. TN Patriot should look it up. If you do legal work or try to teach the law via cartoons, you should understand the basic tenets of philosophy.
When you attack a particular person, you invalidate your argument.
So, by attacking me you invalidate your argument that what I am saying is without merit.
But then again, you know it has merit, which is why you responded as you did.
Brenda Hart Neihouse
PS: I put my entire name out there. You can Google me, you can check me out on LinkedIn or Academia.com. And please do. Where is your name TN Patriot?
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On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:14:34 -0500
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<SNIP pompous bloviation>
Aaaaahhhhh...that's better.
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Re: Reminder on list policy
Posted by TN Patriot <ir...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, 7 Jan 2014 19:14:34 -0500
"Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
<SNIP pompous bloviation>
Aaaaahhhhh...that's better.
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RE: Reminder on list policy
Posted by Think <th...@gmail.com>.
Stating applicable law is not a threat, neither is the promise to engage in a certain (legal) action should a certain action be taken by someone else.
What I did is called free speech. And it is protected speech. Especially since I quoted law and policy.
It is the policy of all US ISP's to ban users who flame/harass/etc. other people via the ISP's resources, i.e. using email to flame someone.
There is also a federal law regarding harassment/bullying and using electronic resources to do so. I would have to look it up. But I am certain you can Google it.
So we have a FAIL from the moderators as far as what constitutes a threat. And we have a FAIL from the moderators for reading my verbiage about ensuring that I use all methods to protect myself on this listserv, and to protect my right to my free speech on this listserv, as a threat. So the moderators have now engaged in an inappropriate warning.
My warning someone that the law exists and that I will use it is most decidedly NOT a threat. You have just now chilled other people's free speech and their exercise of applicable law to protect themselves. (I said it twice in case someone missed it the first time.)
We also have a FAIL from the moderators as to them appropriately doing their job-- that is to keep people safe on this listserv, to ensure the rules are followed and to ensure that people know what the rules are. Oh, yeah and not acting in such a way as to "chill" protected speech. (I think that is number three, but in a slightly different context -- overall fail in doing their job.)
Brenda Hart Neihouse
PS: I would have commented earlier but I was busy doing advocacy work. You know, the part where you speak for a large group of people to make sure their civil rights are protected. Oh yeah, that's what I am doing here. And that is what I was doing in my initial email. Only the group on here isn't in the millions.
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [mailto:rabastus@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 11:59 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Reminder on list policy
Speaking as a list moderator (yes we do have them) I'd like to remind
all posters that threats will not be tolerated on this list.
Regards, Rob
>> If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's have a policy of no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their ISP's before and I will do it again. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected under the Constitution and your ISP's won't tolerate it either.i
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Reminder on list policy
Posted by Rob Weir <ra...@gmail.com>.
Speaking as a list moderator (yes we do have them) I'd like to remind
all posters that threats will not be tolerated on this list.
Regards, Rob
>> If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's have a policy of no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their ISP's before and I will do it again. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected under the Constitution and your ISP's won't tolerate it either.i
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Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting
spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by TN Patriot <ir...@gmail.com>.
On Mon, 6 Jan 2014 23:49:11 -0500
"Think" <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I never said I was holier than thou. I said, "play nice kids. The world is
> watching."
Yeah, you said it in a manner that damn near painted a picture of you with your
nose in the air saying so.
>
> Snarks not needed.
Only from you it's 'okay', right?
>
> And, fyi, you weren't diagnosing or helping anyone with the comments you were
> making. If you were, I wouldn’t have penned my missive. Want to go after me,
> please do. Instead you might wish to behave yourself.
Nope, you're not an pompous ass posting holier-than-thou missives. Nope, not at
all.
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RE: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Think <th...@gmail.com>.
I want to ensure clarification of my oped:
I never said I was holier than thou. I said, "play nice kids. The world is watching."
Snarks not needed.
And, fyi, you weren't diagnosing or helping anyone with the comments you were making. If you were, I wouldn’t have penned my missive. Want to go after me, please do. Instead you might wish to behave yourself.
Brenda Hart Neihouse
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [mailto:rabastus@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 11:35 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Does anyone else care to post a "holier than thou" note, or we done
for the night? Anyone? Let's get it all out. Then those who remain
can get back to actually helping users diagnose their problems rather
than pontificate about software quality or list etiquette.
-Rob
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Think <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have been quietly watching the notes back and forth and have only once or twice ventured into the writing and reading space of this list. Once, someone told me I digressed too much and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my verbiage. I was like "wow, dude. I thought the listserv was for talking about the product."
>
> Since then, I have been watching and reading.
>
> Personally, I am disgusted at how many of you treat each other.
>
> I am an advocate for disabled people. I "yell" at people for a "living" (I don't get paid for it so I have to use the "".) And even I refuse to stoop so low as to denigrate someone for being frustrated or for having newbie problems.
>
> I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew what a computer was. I hand coded HTML from the early 90's until 2002. I owned a brand development firm. I ran five businesses. My largest project management job was a 14million$ project in my early 30's. I am currently relearning CSS after going 12 years without coding a website, because I was doing other things. I am learning it so I can direct our web designer and our back end coder.
>
> Open office is interesting to me because our project, the elai Project, will be licensed wholly under the Creative Commons License. So I wanted to specify one all purpose software package for the project, and for every organization that adopts the package. Initially, elai will help to make libraries completely accessible to disabled people. Hospitals are next, with police stations, and many other locally, state and federally funded organizations following.
>
> But after watching you guys take pot shots at each other and work from an "I don't have to be nice to anyone" paradigm, I am about to throw in the towel on OO or alternatively to warn elai Project participants to stay away from the listserv.
>
> Be nice. Grow up. Get outside of yourselves and help each other. Focus on where you connect and not where you disagree.
>
> And posters: don’t assume that everyone is here to help you. They have their own lives and their own jobs and their own families and priorities. Be polite. Don't be a bull in a china shop.
>
> And if more experienced users set a good example, it's more likely the newbies will follow suit.
>
> Likely this list needs a moderator. Does it have one? I am not stepping up for the job, but someone with a sense of Zen and no fear of confrontation should.
>
> If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's have a policy of no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their ISP's before and I will do it again. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected under the Constitution and your ISP's won't tolerate it either.
>
> Please stop treating each other like garbage. For none of you is garbage. Each of you just comes from your own singular perspective, some of you are frustrated, some of you don't understand how this works and some of you need some perspective.
>
> Perspective, best served up warm.
>
> Brenda Hart Neihouse
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 10:28 PM
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers
> <an...@att.net> wrote:
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent
>> in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of
>> seemingly-valid protocols & get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), & then
>> you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, & get an
>> entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would
>> indicate that there are instances of differing, &, consequently,
>> inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency
>> in OOo code in another area.
>>
>> I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ &
>> correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them & "move on" (as embodied
>> in the posting: "I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something
>> else?"), throw up their hands & say that such inherent problems are just "a
>> fact of life--so live w/ them," or, simply, verbally abuse & belittle the
>> OOo users who point them out to this "community"?
>
>
> So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and
> determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration
> issue in Cygwin. Wow, that was fast! Maybe now that you've
> troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to
> submit a patch to fix it? Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing
> how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice
> issue?
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Anthony J. Rudgers
>> Orlando, FL U.S.A.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Schwarz
>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM
>> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets
>>
>> Win7
>> cygwin
>>
>> I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it
>> using my cygwin alias "alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\
>> 4/program/scalc.exe'" it (basically) says "what's that" but when I use open
>> office directly and use "Recent Documents" it seems to have no problem. is
>> my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias
>> odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine.
>>
>> Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf
>> file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't
>> recognize the file. It comes up with "no such directory or file. But when I
>> go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The
>> filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand,
>> using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe.
>>
>> Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer.
>> I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list
>> it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet.
>>
>> Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do
>> not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file
>> is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to
>> adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above.
>>
>>
>> Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or
>> someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell?
>>
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Re: Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Rob Weir <ra...@gmail.com>.
Does anyone else care to post a "holier than thou" note, or we done
for the night? Anyone? Let's get it all out. Then those who remain
can get back to actually helping users diagnose their problems rather
than pontificate about software quality or list etiquette.
-Rob
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:10 PM, Think <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have been quietly watching the notes back and forth and have only once or twice ventured into the writing and reading space of this list. Once, someone told me I digressed too much and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my verbiage. I was like "wow, dude. I thought the listserv was for talking about the product."
>
> Since then, I have been watching and reading.
>
> Personally, I am disgusted at how many of you treat each other.
>
> I am an advocate for disabled people. I "yell" at people for a "living" (I don't get paid for it so I have to use the "".) And even I refuse to stoop so low as to denigrate someone for being frustrated or for having newbie problems.
>
> I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew what a computer was. I hand coded HTML from the early 90's until 2002. I owned a brand development firm. I ran five businesses. My largest project management job was a 14million$ project in my early 30's. I am currently relearning CSS after going 12 years without coding a website, because I was doing other things. I am learning it so I can direct our web designer and our back end coder.
>
> Open office is interesting to me because our project, the elai Project, will be licensed wholly under the Creative Commons License. So I wanted to specify one all purpose software package for the project, and for every organization that adopts the package. Initially, elai will help to make libraries completely accessible to disabled people. Hospitals are next, with police stations, and many other locally, state and federally funded organizations following.
>
> But after watching you guys take pot shots at each other and work from an "I don't have to be nice to anyone" paradigm, I am about to throw in the towel on OO or alternatively to warn elai Project participants to stay away from the listserv.
>
> Be nice. Grow up. Get outside of yourselves and help each other. Focus on where you connect and not where you disagree.
>
> And posters: don’t assume that everyone is here to help you. They have their own lives and their own jobs and their own families and priorities. Be polite. Don't be a bull in a china shop.
>
> And if more experienced users set a good example, it's more likely the newbies will follow suit.
>
> Likely this list needs a moderator. Does it have one? I am not stepping up for the job, but someone with a sense of Zen and no fear of confrontation should.
>
> If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's have a policy of no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their ISP's before and I will do it again. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected under the Constitution and your ISP's won't tolerate it either.
>
> Please stop treating each other like garbage. For none of you is garbage. Each of you just comes from your own singular perspective, some of you are frustrated, some of you don't understand how this works and some of you need some perspective.
>
> Perspective, best served up warm.
>
> Brenda Hart Neihouse
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 10:28 PM
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
>
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers
> <an...@att.net> wrote:
>> Greetings All,
>>
>> Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent
>> in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of
>> seemingly-valid protocols & get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), & then
>> you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, & get an
>> entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would
>> indicate that there are instances of differing, &, consequently,
>> inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency
>> in OOo code in another area.
>>
>> I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ &
>> correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them & "move on" (as embodied
>> in the posting: "I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something
>> else?"), throw up their hands & say that such inherent problems are just "a
>> fact of life--so live w/ them," or, simply, verbally abuse & belittle the
>> OOo users who point them out to this "community"?
>
>
> So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and
> determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration
> issue in Cygwin. Wow, that was fast! Maybe now that you've
> troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to
> submit a patch to fix it? Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing
> how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice
> issue?
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Anthony J. Rudgers
>> Orlando, FL U.S.A.
>>
>> -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Schwarz
>> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM
>> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
>> Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets
>>
>> Win7
>> cygwin
>>
>> I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it
>> using my cygwin alias "alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\
>> 4/program/scalc.exe'" it (basically) says "what's that" but when I use open
>> office directly and use "Recent Documents" it seems to have no problem. is
>> my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias
>> odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine.
>>
>> Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf
>> file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't
>> recognize the file. It comes up with "no such directory or file. But when I
>> go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The
>> filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand,
>> using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe.
>>
>> Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer.
>> I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list
>> it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet.
>>
>> Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do
>> not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file
>> is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to
>> adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above.
>>
>>
>> Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or
>> someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell?
>>
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Being Good, was: RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Think <th...@gmail.com>.
I have been quietly watching the notes back and forth and have only once or twice ventured into the writing and reading space of this list. Once, someone told me I digressed too much and that I was wrong for having bothered everyone with my verbiage. I was like "wow, dude. I thought the listserv was for talking about the product."
Since then, I have been watching and reading.
Personally, I am disgusted at how many of you treat each other.
I am an advocate for disabled people. I "yell" at people for a "living" (I don't get paid for it so I have to use the "".) And even I refuse to stoop so low as to denigrate someone for being frustrated or for having newbie problems.
I am 53. I coded in Fortran in 1974. I was on a mainframe before most of you knew what a computer was. I hand coded HTML from the early 90's until 2002. I owned a brand development firm. I ran five businesses. My largest project management job was a 14million$ project in my early 30's. I am currently relearning CSS after going 12 years without coding a website, because I was doing other things. I am learning it so I can direct our web designer and our back end coder.
Open office is interesting to me because our project, the elai Project, will be licensed wholly under the Creative Commons License. So I wanted to specify one all purpose software package for the project, and for every organization that adopts the package. Initially, elai will help to make libraries completely accessible to disabled people. Hospitals are next, with police stations, and many other locally, state and federally funded organizations following.
But after watching you guys take pot shots at each other and work from an "I don't have to be nice to anyone" paradigm, I am about to throw in the towel on OO or alternatively to warn elai Project participants to stay away from the listserv.
Be nice. Grow up. Get outside of yourselves and help each other. Focus on where you connect and not where you disagree.
And posters: don’t assume that everyone is here to help you. They have their own lives and their own jobs and their own families and priorities. Be polite. Don't be a bull in a china shop.
And if more experienced users set a good example, it's more likely the newbies will follow suit.
Likely this list needs a moderator. Does it have one? I am not stepping up for the job, but someone with a sense of Zen and no fear of confrontation should.
If you want to flame me, you might want to think again. Most of your ISP's have a policy of no spam/hate/scam/flame. I have reported people to their ISP's before and I will do it again. There is a difference between free speech and hate speech. Hate speech is not protected under the Constitution and your ISP's won't tolerate it either.
Please stop treating each other like garbage. For none of you is garbage. Each of you just comes from your own singular perspective, some of you are frustrated, some of you don't understand how this works and some of you need some perspective.
Perspective, best served up warm.
Brenda Hart Neihouse
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [mailto:robweir@apache.org]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 10:28 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers
<an...@att.net> wrote:
> Greetings All,
>
> Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent
> in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of
> seemingly-valid protocols & get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), & then
> you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, & get an
> entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would
> indicate that there are instances of differing, &, consequently,
> inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency
> in OOo code in another area.
>
> I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ &
> correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them & "move on" (as embodied
> in the posting: "I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something
> else?"), throw up their hands & say that such inherent problems are just "a
> fact of life--so live w/ them," or, simply, verbally abuse & belittle the
> OOo users who point them out to this "community"?
>
So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and
determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration
issue in Cygwin. Wow, that was fast! Maybe now that you've
troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to
submit a patch to fix it? Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing
how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice
issue?
Regards,
-Rob
> Best wishes,
>
> Anthony J. Rudgers
> Orlando, FL U.S.A.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Schwarz
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets
>
> Win7
> cygwin
>
> I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it
> using my cygwin alias "alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\
> 4/program/scalc.exe'" it (basically) says "what's that" but when I use open
> office directly and use "Recent Documents" it seems to have no problem. is
> my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias
> odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine.
>
> Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf
> file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't
> recognize the file. It comes up with "no such directory or file. But when I
> go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The
> filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand,
> using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe.
>
> Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer.
> I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list
> it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet.
>
> Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do
> not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file
> is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to
> adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above.
>
>
> Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or
> someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell?
>
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Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Peter Junge <pe...@gmx.org>.
Me, beside others. What's your problem?
Best regards,
Peter
On 07/01/14 12:53, Think wrote:
> Who is the moderator of this list?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Brenda Hart Neihouse
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Rob Weir [mailto:rabastus@gmail.com]
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 11:46 PM
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
>
>> On Jan 6, 2014, at 10:42 PM, Greg Madden <go...@gci.net> wrote:
>>
>>> On Monday 06 January 2014 18:28:15 you wrote:
>>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers
>>>
>>> <an...@att.net> wrote:
>>>> Greetings All,
>>>>
>>>> Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws
>>>> inherent in the present OOo software suite. You do something
>>>> according to one set of seemingly-valid protocols & get one result
>>>> (or, perhaps, non-result), & then you do it according to another
>>>> set of also-valid protocols, & get an entirely different result (or
>>>> non-result). This, at least to me, would indicate that there are
>>>> instances of differing, &, consequently, inconsistent, coding
>>>> within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency in OOo code
>>>> in another area.
>>>>
>>>> I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal
>>>> w/ & correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them & "move
>>>> on" (as embodied in the posting: "I'm tired of this thread, can't
>>>> we talk about something else?"), throw up their hands & say that
>>>> such inherent problems are just "a fact of life--so live w/ them,"
>>>> or, simply, verbally abuse & belittle the OOo users who point them
>>>> out to this "community"?
>>> So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and
>>> determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration
>>> issue in Cygwin. Wow, that was fast! Maybe now that you've
>>> troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to
>>> submit a patch to fix it? Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing
>>> how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice
>>> issue?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>> -Rob
>> Rob, just a reminder, these type of comments are best left alone. It is
>> to hard to determine if they are just trolls disrupting legitimate
>> users time and resources or merely clueless users frustrated by their
>> lack of knowledge. Either way..ignore..imho
>>
> I'm merely pointing the constructive ways to deal with user problems.
> Our productive choices are:
>
> 1. Answer questions about functionality
>
> 2. Confirm known problems and offer workarounds
>
> 3. Help troubleshoot new issues
>
> 4. Once issues are confirmed entering them into Bugzilla
>
> 5. Fixing issues
>
> At no time is complaining a productive use of this list, especially
> for a new issue, just reported, when it is not clear it is even an
> OpenOffice issue.
>
> So let's get back to the the intended purpose of the list, which is to
> support users of OpenOffice. As users have made clear, they are
> frustrated when this list is used as a general discussion/gripe list.
>
> -Rob
>
>
>> I thank you for your contributiions to AOO.
>>
>> I have been using OpenOffice for quite some time without issues.. ( not
>> helpfull to those with issues..I lnow)...or only one.. when Libreoffice
>> became the default for Linux, not LO bashing, just AOO works better
>> here.
>>
>> --
>> Peace,
>>
>> Greg
>>
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RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Think <th...@gmail.com>.
Who is the moderator of this list?
Thanks.
Brenda Hart Neihouse
-----Original Message-----
From: Rob Weir [mailto:rabastus@gmail.com]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 11:46 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 10:42 PM, Greg Madden <go...@gci.net> wrote:
>
>> On Monday 06 January 2014 18:28:15 you wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers
>>
>> <an...@att.net> wrote:
>>> Greetings All,
>>>
>>> Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws
>>> inherent in the present OOo software suite. You do something
>>> according to one set of seemingly-valid protocols & get one result
>>> (or, perhaps, non-result), & then you do it according to another
>>> set of also-valid protocols, & get an entirely different result (or
>>> non-result). This, at least to me, would indicate that there are
>>> instances of differing, &, consequently, inconsistent, coding
>>> within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency in OOo code
>>> in another area.
>>>
>>> I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal
>>> w/ & correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them & "move
>>> on" (as embodied in the posting: "I'm tired of this thread, can't
>>> we talk about something else?"), throw up their hands & say that
>>> such inherent problems are just "a fact of life--so live w/ them,"
>>> or, simply, verbally abuse & belittle the OOo users who point them
>>> out to this "community"?
>>
>> So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and
>> determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration
>> issue in Cygwin. Wow, that was fast! Maybe now that you've
>> troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to
>> submit a patch to fix it? Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing
>> how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice
>> issue?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>
> Rob, just a reminder, these type of comments are best left alone. It is
> to hard to determine if they are just trolls disrupting legitimate
> users time and resources or merely clueless users frustrated by their
> lack of knowledge. Either way..ignore..imho
>
I'm merely pointing the constructive ways to deal with user problems.
Our productive choices are:
1. Answer questions about functionality
2. Confirm known problems and offer workarounds
3. Help troubleshoot new issues
4. Once issues are confirmed entering them into Bugzilla
5. Fixing issues
At no time is complaining a productive use of this list, especially
for a new issue, just reported, when it is not clear it is even an
OpenOffice issue.
So let's get back to the the intended purpose of the list, which is to
support users of OpenOffice. As users have made clear, they are
frustrated when this list is used as a general discussion/gripe list.
-Rob
> I thank you for your contributiions to AOO.
>
> I have been using OpenOffice for quite some time without issues.. ( not
> helpfull to those with issues..I lnow)...or only one.. when Libreoffice
> became the default for Linux, not LO bashing, just AOO works better
> here.
>
> --
> Peace,
>
> Greg
>
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Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Rob Weir <ra...@gmail.com>.
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 10:42 PM, Greg Madden <go...@gci.net> wrote:
>
>> On Monday 06 January 2014 18:28:15 you wrote:
>> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers
>>
>> <an...@att.net> wrote:
>>> Greetings All,
>>>
>>> Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws
>>> inherent in the present OOo software suite. You do something
>>> according to one set of seemingly-valid protocols & get one result
>>> (or, perhaps, non-result), & then you do it according to another
>>> set of also-valid protocols, & get an entirely different result (or
>>> non-result). This, at least to me, would indicate that there are
>>> instances of differing, &, consequently, inconsistent, coding
>>> within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency in OOo code
>>> in another area.
>>>
>>> I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal
>>> w/ & correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them & "move
>>> on" (as embodied in the posting: "I'm tired of this thread, can't
>>> we talk about something else?"), throw up their hands & say that
>>> such inherent problems are just "a fact of life--so live w/ them,"
>>> or, simply, verbally abuse & belittle the OOo users who point them
>>> out to this "community"?
>>
>> So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and
>> determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration
>> issue in Cygwin. Wow, that was fast! Maybe now that you've
>> troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to
>> submit a patch to fix it? Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing
>> how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice
>> issue?
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> -Rob
>
> Rob, just a reminder, these type of comments are best left alone. It is
> to hard to determine if they are just trolls disrupting legitimate
> users time and resources or merely clueless users frustrated by their
> lack of knowledge. Either way..ignore..imho
>
I'm merely pointing the constructive ways to deal with user problems.
Our productive choices are:
1. Answer questions about functionality
2. Confirm known problems and offer workarounds
3. Help troubleshoot new issues
4. Once issues are confirmed entering them into Bugzilla
5. Fixing issues
At no time is complaining a productive use of this list, especially
for a new issue, just reported, when it is not clear it is even an
OpenOffice issue.
So let's get back to the the intended purpose of the list, which is to
support users of OpenOffice. As users have made clear, they are
frustrated when this list is used as a general discussion/gripe list.
-Rob
> I thank you for your contributiions to AOO.
>
> I have been using OpenOffice for quite some time without issues.. ( not
> helpfull to those with issues..I lnow)...or only one.. when Libreoffice
> became the default for Linux, not LO bashing, just AOO works better
> here.
>
> --
> Peace,
>
> Greg
>
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Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Greg Madden <go...@gci.net>.
On Monday 06 January 2014 18:28:15 you wrote:
> On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers
>
> <an...@att.net> wrote:
> > Greetings All,
> >
> > Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws
> > inherent in the present OOo software suite. You do something
> > according to one set of seemingly-valid protocols & get one result
> > (or, perhaps, non-result), & then you do it according to another
> > set of also-valid protocols, & get an entirely different result (or
> > non-result). This, at least to me, would indicate that there are
> > instances of differing, &, consequently, inconsistent, coding
> > within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency in OOo code
> > in another area.
> >
> > I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal
> > w/ & correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them & "move
> > on" (as embodied in the posting: "I'm tired of this thread, can't
> > we talk about something else?"), throw up their hands & say that
> > such inherent problems are just "a fact of life--so live w/ them,"
> > or, simply, verbally abuse & belittle the OOo users who point them
> > out to this "community"?
>
> So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and
> determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration
> issue in Cygwin. Wow, that was fast! Maybe now that you've
> troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to
> submit a patch to fix it? Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing
> how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice
> issue?
>
> Regards,
>
> -Rob
Rob, just a reminder, these type of comments are best left alone. It is
to hard to determine if they are just trolls disrupting legitimate
users time and resources or merely clueless users frustrated by their
lack of knowledge. Either way..ignore..imho
I thank you for your contributiions to AOO.
I have been using OpenOffice for quite some time without issues.. ( not
helpfull to those with issues..I lnow)...or only one.. when Libreoffice
became the default for Linux, not LO bashing, just AOO works better
here.
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Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
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Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
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Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Rob Weir <ro...@apache.org>.
On Mon, Jan 6, 2014 at 8:07 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers
<an...@att.net> wrote:
> Greetings All,
>
> Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent
> in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of
> seemingly-valid protocols & get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), & then
> you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, & get an
> entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would
> indicate that there are instances of differing, &, consequently,
> inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency
> in OOo code in another area.
>
> I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ &
> correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them & "move on" (as embodied
> in the posting: "I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something
> else?"), throw up their hands & say that such inherent problems are just "a
> fact of life--so live w/ them," or, simply, verbally abuse & belittle the
> OOo users who point them out to this "community"?
>
So I take it that you have completely diagnosed the problem and
determined that it is a bug in OpenOffice and not a configuration
issue in Cygwin. Wow, that was fast! Maybe now that you've
troubleshooted and debugged the issue you would be so kind as to
submit a patch to fix it? Or write up a report in Bugzilla detailing
how you reproduced the problem and showed that it was an OpenOffice
issue?
Regards,
-Rob
> Best wishes,
>
> Anthony J. Rudgers
> Orlando, FL U.S.A.
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Arthur Schwarz
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets
>
> Win7
> cygwin
>
> I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it
> using my cygwin alias "alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\
> 4/program/scalc.exe'" it (basically) says "what's that" but when I use open
> office directly and use "Recent Documents" it seems to have no problem. is
> my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias
> odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine.
>
> Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf
> file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't
> recognize the file. It comes up with "no such directory or file. But when I
> go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The
> filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand,
> using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe.
>
> Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer.
> I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list
> it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet.
>
> Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do
> not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file
> is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to
> adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above.
>
>
> Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or
> someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell?
>
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Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Rob Weir <ra...@gmail.com>.
> On Jan 6, 2014, at 11:38 PM, Arthur Schwarz <as...@att.net> wrote:
>
>
> This is an embarrassment for me. I checked and checked and found out that I
> had copied the same directory in two places and had one shell in one folder
> and another in another. And so, being the Great And Wonderful (smart and
> clever also) person that I am, I exported my pdf file into one folder and
> looked for it in another. At least that's my current story and I'm sticking
> with it (until tomorrow).
>
Doh! I'm glad, though, it worked out. One less bug to fix.
Regards, Rob
> But in a soft way I do think your points are valid. I have had problems with
> the swriter software and lists. Then again, I contribute nothing to a
> volunteer effort. I am a passive beneficiary of excellent software that has
> a few bugs. I also have Microsoft software. In 2000 I tried to report a bug
> (very hard when dealing with Microsoft). In 2008(?) software, the bug is
> still there (in lists, by the way). I expect that in 2050 software the bug
> will still remain in Microsoft but in Open Office the bugs I see today will
> probably be gone.
>
> And so, although OOo is not perfect, they are better than Microsoft dreams
> of in their better days, and the OOo team seems to want to better the
> product.
>
> art
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Anthony J. Rudgers [mailto:anthonyrudgers@att.net]
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 5:07 PM
> To: Arthur Schwarz; users@openoffice.apache.org
> Cc: Anthony Rudgers
> Subject: Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
>
> Greetings All,
>
> Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent
> in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of
>
> seemingly-valid protocols & get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), & then
>
> you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, & get an
> entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would
> indicate that there are instances of differing, &, consequently,
> inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency
> in OOo code in another area.
>
> I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ &
> correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them & "move on" (as embodied
>
> in the posting: "I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something
> else?"), throw up their hands & say that such inherent problems are just "a
> fact of life--so live w/ them," or, simply, verbally abuse & belittle the
> OOo users who point them out to this "community"?
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Anthony J. Rudgers
> Orlando, FL U.S.A.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Arthur Schwarz
> Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets
>
> Win7
> cygwin
>
> I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it
> using my cygwin alias "alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\
> 4/program/scalc.exe'" it (basically) says "what's that" but when I use open
> office directly and use "Recent Documents" it seems to have no problem. is
> my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias
> odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine.
>
> Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf
> file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't
> recognize the file. It comes up with "no such directory or file. But when I
> go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The
> filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand,
>
> using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe.
>
> Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer.
> I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list
> it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet.
>
> Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do
> not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file
> is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to
> adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above.
>
>
> Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or
> someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell?
>
>
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Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Julian Thomas <jt...@jt-mj.net>.
On 6 Jan 2014, at 23:35, Arthur Schwarz <as...@att.net> wrote:
> And so, although OOo is not perfect, they are better than Microsoft dreams
> of in their better days, and the OOo team seems to want to better the
> product.
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RE: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by Arthur Schwarz <as...@att.net>.
This is an embarrassment for me. I checked and checked and found out that I
had copied the same directory in two places and had one shell in one folder
and another in another. And so, being the Great And Wonderful (smart and
clever also) person that I am, I exported my pdf file into one folder and
looked for it in another. At least that's my current story and I'm sticking
with it (until tomorrow).
But in a soft way I do think your points are valid. I have had problems with
the swriter software and lists. Then again, I contribute nothing to a
volunteer effort. I am a passive beneficiary of excellent software that has
a few bugs. I also have Microsoft software. In 2000 I tried to report a bug
(very hard when dealing with Microsoft). In 2008(?) software, the bug is
still there (in lists, by the way). I expect that in 2050 software the bug
will still remain in Microsoft but in Open Office the bugs I see today will
probably be gone.
And so, although OOo is not perfect, they are better than Microsoft dreams
of in their better days, and the OOo team seems to want to better the
product.
art
-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony J. Rudgers [mailto:anthonyrudgers@att.net]
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 5:07 PM
To: Arthur Schwarz; users@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Anthony Rudgers
Subject: Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Greetings All,
Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent
in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of
seemingly-valid protocols & get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), & then
you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, & get an
entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would
indicate that there are instances of differing, &, consequently,
inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency
in OOo code in another area.
I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ &
correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them & "move on" (as embodied
in the posting: "I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something
else?"), throw up their hands & say that such inherent problems are just "a
fact of life--so live w/ them," or, simply, verbally abuse & belittle the
OOo users who point them out to this "community"?
Best wishes,
Anthony J. Rudgers
Orlando, FL U.S.A.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Schwarz
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets
Win7
cygwin
I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it
using my cygwin alias "alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\
4/program/scalc.exe'" it (basically) says "what's that" but when I use open
office directly and use "Recent Documents" it seems to have no problem. is
my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias
odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine.
Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf
file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't
recognize the file. It comes up with "no such directory or file. But when I
go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The
filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand,
using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe.
Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer.
I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list
it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet.
Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do
not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file
is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to
adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above.
Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or
someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell?
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Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets--another commentary
Posted by "Anthony J. Rudgers" <an...@att.net>.
Greetings All,
Here's (imho) another example of the symptoms of the coding flaws inherent
in the present OOo software suite. You do something according to one set of
seemingly-valid protocols & get one result (or, perhaps, non-result), & then
you do it according to another set of also-valid protocols, & get an
entirely different result (or non-result). This, at least to me, would
indicate that there are instances of differing, &, consequently,
inconsistent, coding within OOo. I've experienced a similar inconsistency
in OOo code in another area.
I submit this query. Do proponents of OOo software, want to deal w/ &
correct such problems, deny they exist, ignore them & "move on" (as embodied
in the posting: "I'm tired of this thread, can't we talk about something
else?"), throw up their hands & say that such inherent problems are just "a
fact of life--so live w/ them," or, simply, verbally abuse & belittle the
OOo users who point them out to this "community"?
Best wishes,
Anthony J. Rudgers
Orlando, FL U.S.A.
-----Original Message-----
From: Arthur Schwarz
Sent: Monday, January 06, 2014 6:48 PM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets
Win7
cygwin
I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to read it
using my cygwin alias "alias ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\
4/program/scalc.exe'" it (basically) says "what's that" but when I use open
office directly and use "Recent Documents" it seems to have no problem. is
my alias correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias
odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it works fine.
Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet as a pdf
file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is, 'find', 'ls' don't
recognize the file. It comes up with "no such directory or file. But when I
go to the Windows explorer or import the file using Adobe, no problem. The
filename is there bold as lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand,
using cygwin, I can't input the file to adobe.
Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in the writer.
I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use it in adobe, list
it, and I guess do everything needful. But not when I create a spreadsheet.
Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell (but do
not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but now the ods file
is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I can load the pdf file to
adobe in the cygwin shell the exact opposite of above.
Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done wrong or
someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by cygwin shell?
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Re: Reading and Exporting spreadsheets
Posted by "Keith N. McKenna" <ke...@comcast.net>.
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Arthur Schwarz wrote:
> Win7 cygwin
>
> I created and saved a spreadsheet, 'ods' ,document. When I try to
> read it using my cygwin alias "alias
> ods='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/scalc.exe'" it
> (basically) says "what's that" but when I use open office directly
> and use "Recent Documents" it seems to have no problem. is my alias
> correct? I use a similar alias for the writer (alias
> odt='/ProgramFiles86/OpenOffice\ 4/program/swriter.exe') and it
> works fine.
>
> Now comes the real puzzler (for me), when I export the spreadseet
> as a pdf file, the cygwin shell doesn't recognize it. That is,
> 'find', 'ls' don't recognize the file. It comes up with "no such
> directory or file. But when I go to the Windows explorer or import
> the file using Adobe, no problem. The filename is there bold as
> lightning. and I have no issue. On the other hand, using cygwin, I
> can't input the file to adobe.
>
> Now for the confounding aspect. Everything works as expected in
> the writer. I can create a pdf file, see it in cygwin, open and use
> it in adobe, list it, and I guess do everything needful. But not
> when I create a spreadsheet.
>
> Wait, wait. I have (yet) another mystery. When I open a new shell
> (but do not reboot), the new shell shows the created pdf file but
> now the ods file is missing. And, contrary to everything above, I
> can load the pdf file to adobe in the cygwin shell the exact
> opposite of above.
>
>
> Right now it's an irritation but is there something that I've done
> wrong or someway to fix the problem so that it shows up in by
> cygwin shell?
>
Mr Schwartz;
You may be better posting this request to the dev list at
mailto:dev@openoffice.apache.org rather than here.
Many of the developers work in a cygwin environment and may be better
able to help with this. Though some of the developers do frequent this
list this type of question stands a better chance of being answered
over there. Most of the people who answer questions here are users of
OpenOffice but not necessarily conversant in usage of cygwin.
Please be advised that I have cc'd you as a courtesy. You would do
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then follow the directions in the return email.
Regards
Keith McKenna
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