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Hupa or Alternative
I realize that Hupa project has been retired. However, I need to embed
a webMail client into my web site, and Hupa appears to be able to do
what I need. But all of the source and binary download links on the
Apache Hupa page are dead.
Is there a new/better alternative to Hupa now? If not, is there some
place I can download the binary for Hupa?
Thanks.
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Re: Hupa or Alternative
Posted by Jerry Malcolm <te...@malcolms.com>.
David, thanks for the quick response. JWMA didn't show up in my
original google search. It looks like it will definitely meet my
needs. Is there a forum for tech discussions for JWMA?
Thanks again.
Jerry
On 4/29/2023 2:08 AM, David Matthews wrote:
>> I realize that Hupa project has been retired. However, I need to embed
>> a webMail client into my web site, and Hupa appears to be able to do
>> what I need. But all of the source and binary download links on the
>> Apache Hupa page are dead.
>>
>> Is there a new/better alternative to Hupa now? If not, is there some
>> place I can download the binary for Hupa?
> hi Jerry
>
> consider jwma?
>
> https://jwma.sourceforge.net/
>
> I anyway doubt running unsupported software would be a great idea.
>
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Re: Hupa or Alternative
Posted by Jerry Malcolm <te...@malcolms.com>.
David,
Thanks again. I'm not really concerned about it working properly.
Totally trust you there... :-) I have a few specific
requirements/desires that I might want to discuss with you. It might be
a bit premature now since I haven't yet started playing with it. But
I'd like to embed this into my client's backoffice web site and have a
user's JWMA instance as part of the user's currently existing profile
page. The login to JWMA would be automatic based on the user's
profile. The fewer moving parts I have to expose to the user, the
better :-). I'm having fits with users having to configure
Thunderbird/Outlook/iPhone/Android/etc in order to get their mail.
Initially, just having a link to the JWMA client page will be a huge
improvement. I'll likely be back to you with a few questions about
future integration when I get the first step going.
Jerry
On 4/29/2023 10:11 AM, David Matthews wrote:
>> David, thanks for the quick response. JWMA didn't show up in my
>> original google search. It looks like it will definitely meet my
>> needs. Is there a forum for tech discussions for JWMA?
> hi Jerry
>
> Any questions - ask me - after you've ready the doc, which is pretty good; it's my project these days.
>
> I got onto it around 2012 or something like; I thought it looked very pretty, but it worked like ... no I don't want to be rude. Problem was the original people had rolled their own instead of using a framework and the code was pretty pasta like - the long thin stuff.
>
> I rewrote it all using the stripes framework, which was excellent - very sad that it seems to be slipping to oblivion. I wrote the view stuff for small screen clients, but the desktop view code and appearance is pretty mush as the original guys did it. I tried to rewrite it in "modern" html - doing away with tables, but came to the opinion it wasn't possible.
>
> I also extended it a bit by making maildir storage format an option - it was mbox only originally. I don't use maildir, so it's not had a lot of testing, but I think it's ok. You'll need maildir of course if james is your imap server as I don't think it does mbox?. mail exchanger, imap server (james acts as both of course) and webmail client must all use same storage format.
>
> TBH it's unlikely I'll do much more with it as it works perfectly and does exactly what I need. the code is a bit clunking in places where I bolted on stuff I didn't appreciate would be necessary at original design stage, but :-) it's not so bad!
>
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Re: Hupa or Alternative
Posted by Jerry Malcolm <te...@malcolms.com>.
David,
Definitely wouldn't ask for additional coding from you. I could create
private Git branch and tweak it there.
The only thing I would really like to have initially is some way to
bypass the signin page and bring up JWMA already authenticated to a
certain ID/PW. Something like calling JWMA with a hashcode on the URL
that can be resolved to a user ID/PW entry in the user db. Again, I can
tweak the code and add a few things, just as long as I can figure out
how to do it.
I may be in touch later :-). Thanks for all your help.
Jerry
On 4/29/2023 1:12 PM, David Matthews wrote:
> hi Jerry
>
>> Thanks again. I'm not really concerned about it working properly.
>> Totally trust you there... :-)
> :-) total? Not sure I can recommend that!
>
> As for your requirements, I just run a few tomcat apps on a subdomain, including jwma. I've written up how to do that also incidentally and wire up tomacat to apache. If that's adequate for your customers, all other things being equal, it should be straightforward enough.
>
> Not sure I like "embedded" - well I don't dislike it, but I think that would require some coding that I'm probably not interested in doing.
>
> Best wishes with it anyway; I'd be delighted if it works out.
>
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Re: Hupa or Alternative
Posted by David Matthews <ma...@dmatthews.org.INVALID>.
hi Jerry
If you add code which is going to make jwma useful more widely than just yourself there's no reason why you'd need to do it privately. My main interest is that the arty black + shades of grey is kept, which was never my work.
I think it's a bit of a pity that the jakarta/java email stuff is not more widely used, in particular for webmail access. Seems like a easy solution to me. I also despair at email being handed over entirely to big interests; more people should run their own mail exchangers.
My private email is on the jwma site at sourcforge and this is not a James issue - please use that if you want to chat more
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Re: Hupa or Alternative
Posted by David Matthews <ma...@dmatthews.org.INVALID>.
hi Jerry
>Thanks again. I'm not really concerned about it working properly.
>Totally trust you there... :-)
:-) total? Not sure I can recommend that!
As for your requirements, I just run a few tomcat apps on a subdomain, including jwma. I've written up how to do that also incidentally and wire up tomacat to apache. If that's adequate for your customers, all other things being equal, it should be straightforward enough.
Not sure I like "embedded" - well I don't dislike it, but I think that would require some coding that I'm probably not interested in doing.
Best wishes with it anyway; I'd be delighted if it works out.
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Re: Hupa or Alternative
Posted by David Matthews <ma...@dmatthews.org.INVALID>.
>David, thanks for the quick response. JWMA didn't show up in my
>original google search. It looks like it will definitely meet my
>needs. Is there a forum for tech discussions for JWMA?
hi Jerry
Any questions - ask me - after you've ready the doc, which is pretty good; it's my project these days.
I got onto it around 2012 or something like; I thought it looked very pretty, but it worked like ... no I don't want to be rude. Problem was the original people had rolled their own instead of using a framework and the code was pretty pasta like - the long thin stuff.
I rewrote it all using the stripes framework, which was excellent - very sad that it seems to be slipping to oblivion. I wrote the view stuff for small screen clients, but the desktop view code and appearance is pretty mush as the original guys did it. I tried to rewrite it in "modern" html - doing away with tables, but came to the opinion it wasn't possible.
I also extended it a bit by making maildir storage format an option - it was mbox only originally. I don't use maildir, so it's not had a lot of testing, but I think it's ok. You'll need maildir of course if james is your imap server as I don't think it does mbox?. mail exchanger, imap server (james acts as both of course) and webmail client must all use same storage format.
TBH it's unlikely I'll do much more with it as it works perfectly and does exactly what I need. the code is a bit clunking in places where I bolted on stuff I didn't appreciate would be necessary at original design stage, but :-) it's not so bad!
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Re: Hupa or Alternative
Posted by David Matthews <ma...@dmatthews.org.INVALID>.
>I realize that Hupa project has been retired. However, I need to embed
>a webMail client into my web site, and Hupa appears to be able to do
>what I need. But all of the source and binary download links on the
>Apache Hupa page are dead.
>
>Is there a new/better alternative to Hupa now? If not, is there some
>place I can download the binary for Hupa?
hi Jerry
consider jwma?
https://jwma.sourceforge.net/
I anyway doubt running unsupported software would be a great idea.
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mail@dmatthews.org
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