Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!)

["Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>]

I think both projects have nice advantages and features.  Maven has good
documentation.  Centipede is easier to setup and is a bit more advanced
in the way it generates documentation.  Its a bit alpha but I think the
code generation stuff in centipede shows some promise.  I can personally
vouch it works great for lazy people who don't want to type too much if
they don't have too.  I kinda don't lik the way the feather looks
against the sold color on the Maven home page.  Centipedes multiple
skins are kinda nice.  Maven has nicer names for things.  

As for dog food.  I tend to be anti-quibble over pedantics.  I could
give a rats behind what build everyone uses.  But set the record
straight.  Centipede was developed primarily BY Apache committers,
primarily to the requirements of Apache projects and the just happens to
be hosted elsewhere.  Largely because of the politics (read: so Jon
wouldn't have a fit) and the projects who it was developed for/out of
don't really want to host a *build* project.  For us its secondary.  I
don't see POI converting. Centipede more precisely fits our needs.  And
even if it didn't we've got bigger fish to fry (read: formulas, graphs
and word doc format).  

So why I applaud the effort.  I really think the marketing campaign
could be a bit more low key and pragmatic.  Just my opinion...maybe I
should read my tagline again before expressing it.  Flame away.

-Andy

On Tue, 2002-04-30 at 18:02, Jon Scott Stevens wrote:
> on 4/30/02 2:46 PM, "Nicola Ken Barozzi" <ni...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> > Krysalis Centipede:
> > http://www.sf.net/projects/krysalis/
> > 
> > Site using Centipede:
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/poi/
> > 
> > You make the decision.
> 
> To me, the decision is simple:
> 
> Krysalis isn't our own dog food.
> 
> I would far rather see whatever Krysalis has incorporated into Maven because
> Maven is here, not there. I also see Maven as being more feature complete as
> well as having more developer interest. I also have a serious bias towards
> Maven's stylesheet. :-)
> 
> But, the community will decide in the long run...
> 
> -jon
> 
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Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!)

["Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org>]

Daniel Rall wrote:

>"Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> writes:
>
>>I think both projects have nice advantages and features.  Maven has good
>>documentation.  Centipede is easier to setup and is a bit more advanced
>>in the way it generates documentation.  Its a bit alpha but I think the
>>code generation stuff in centipede shows some promise.
>>
>[snip]
>
>What type of code does your build framework generate?
>
Java code.  This isn't yet in the main trunk of centipede.  It needs to 
be further genericised.  Granted I wouldn't generate ALL java code from 
XML but in these particular cases it makes sense.  We even generate a 
junit test.. .  Like I said, beats the heck out of typing.

http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-poi/src/types/definitions/
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-poi/src/types/styles/

http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-poi/src/records/definitions/
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs/jakarta-poi/src/records/styles/

The generation stuff is a bit immature but it beats the hell out of 
typing any day.  For more information on this whole subject:

http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/ppbook/index.shtml

(The why, what and etc of code generation) and perhaps the accompanying 
wiki:

http://www.pragmaticprogrammer.com/cgi-local/pragprog?RaleighPractitioners

-Andy

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Re: You make the decision (was Re: Quick! convert all your projects to maven!)

[Daniel Rall <dl...@finemaltcoding.com>]

"Andrew C. Oliver" <ac...@apache.org> writes:

> I think both projects have nice advantages and features.  Maven has good
> documentation.  Centipede is easier to setup and is a bit more advanced
> in the way it generates documentation.  Its a bit alpha but I think the
> code generation stuff in centipede shows some promise.
[snip]

What type of code does your build framework generate?

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