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CVS parameters
I'm getting this error when I try to update my project:
[ERROR] No CVS root is set. Check your <repository> information in the POM.
Where in the POM do I set the CVS Root?
How can I specify the user id and password outside of the POM?
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com>.
You may also find some info on this page useful:
http://docs.codehaus.org/display/MAVENUSER/Continuous+Integration
Specifically, the sections ".cvspass file creation" and "Configure
settings.xml file".
Wayne
On 5/21/07, Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> This is pretty well-documented on the website:
> http://maven.apache.org/scm/cvs.html
>
> Wayne
>
> On 5/21/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
> > I'm getting this error when I try to update my project:
> > [ERROR] No CVS root is set. Check your <repository> information in the POM.
> >
> > Where in the POM do I set the CVS Root?
> > How can I specify the user id and password outside of the POM?
> >
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> > To Be, rather than to Seem
> >
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Emmanuel Venisse <em...@venisse.net>.
We need the version of the changelog plugin and the scm plugin too.
Emmanuel
Wayne Fay a écrit :
> I'm not really sure what's going on -- I haven't used CVS in a while,
> just SVN. What OS and what CVS client software are you running?
>
> And please send the <scm> section of your pom as well. Perhaps someone
> else who is using CVS will notice something (obviously) wrong with
> your configuration. ;-)
>
> Wayne
>
> On 5/23/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
>> [ERROR] Didn't find password for CVSROOT ':
>> pserver:js6285@cipe801.sldc.sbc.com:12310/appl/pkg1/cvs/reps/theteam/cvs'.
>>
>>
>> BTW, the user id I have in the pom is "maven", so I'm thinking that it's
>> picking up the id from the Root entry is the CVS directory.
>>
>> Is that a feature or a bug? :-)
>>
>>
>> On 5/23/07, Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >
>> > Fail with what error message?
>> >
>> > Wayne
>> >
>> > On 5/23/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
>> > > Why would mvn scm:changelog work but mvn scm:update fail?
>> > >
>> > >
>> > > --
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com>.
I'm not really sure what's going on -- I haven't used CVS in a while,
just SVN. What OS and what CVS client software are you running?
And please send the <scm> section of your pom as well. Perhaps someone
else who is using CVS will notice something (obviously) wrong with
your configuration. ;-)
Wayne
On 5/23/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
> [ERROR] Didn't find password for CVSROOT ':
> pserver:js6285@cipe801.sldc.sbc.com:12310/appl/pkg1/cvs/reps/theteam/cvs'.
>
> BTW, the user id I have in the pom is "maven", so I'm thinking that it's
> picking up the id from the Root entry is the CVS directory.
>
> Is that a feature or a bug? :-)
>
>
> On 5/23/07, Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Fail with what error message?
> >
> > Wayne
> >
> > On 5/23/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
> > > Why would mvn scm:changelog work but mvn scm:update fail?
> > >
> > >
> > > --
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org>.
[ERROR] Didn't find password for CVSROOT ':
pserver:js6285@cipe801.sldc.sbc.com:12310/appl/pkg1/cvs/reps/theteam/cvs'.
BTW, the user id I have in the pom is "maven", so I'm thinking that it's
picking up the id from the Root entry is the CVS directory.
Is that a feature or a bug? :-)
On 5/23/07, Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Fail with what error message?
>
> Wayne
>
> On 5/23/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
> > Why would mvn scm:changelog work but mvn scm:update fail?
> >
> >
> > --
> > Esse Quam Videre
> > To Be, rather than to Seem
> >
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com>.
Fail with what error message?
Wayne
On 5/23/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
> Why would mvn scm:changelog work but mvn scm:update fail?
>
>
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org>.
Why would mvn scm:changelog work but mvn scm:update fail?
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org>.
On 5/22/07, Emmanuel Venisse <em...@venisse.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> Jon Strayer a écrit :
> > On 5/21/07, Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm not clear -- is this response not sufficient and you're asking for
> >> more help, or do you have things working?
> >>
> >> If you still need help, I'd suggest looking at example pom.xml files
> >> for some open source projects to see how they have configured their
> >> SCM. Here's a few links:
> >> http://svn.plexus.codehaus.org/browse/plexus/trunk/pom.xml?r=1500
> >> http://vmgump.apache.org/gump/public/jline/jline/gump_file/pom.xml.html
> >> http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/wsmo4j/ext/pom.xml?r=1.4
> >>
> >> If you're having specific problems, tell us what you've done, what
> >> specifically isn't working, what error messages you're receiving, etc.
> >>
> >> Wayne
> >>
> >>
> > This is my scm section:
> > <scm>
> > <connection>
> > scm:cvs:pserver:js6285:password@cipe801.sldc.sbc.com:12310
> > :/appl/pkg1/cvs/reps/theteam/cvs:CSPCookieFilter
> > </connection>
> > <developerConnection>
> > scm:cvs:pserver:js6285:password@cipe801.sldc.sbc.com:12310
> > :/appl/pkg1/cvs/reps/theteam/cvs:CSPCookieFilter
> > </developerConnection>
> > <tag>HEAD</tag>
> > <url></url>
> > </scm>
> >
> > This is the command I'm executing:
> > $ mvn -e scm:update
> >
> > This is the error message:
> >
> > [ERROR] No CVS root is set. Check your <repository> information in the
> POM.
> > [ERROR] Provider message:
> > [ERROR] The cvs command failed.
> > [ERROR] Command output:
> > [ERROR]
>
> Do you use this command in a CVS working copy directory?
>
> >
> >
> > Nothing I've read says anything about cvsroot in the POM.
> >
> > Slightly more interesting is that if I execute the same command with the
> > same POM in a directory where I've already checked out the code I get
> this
> > error:
> > [ERROR] Didn't find password for CVSROOT ':
> > pserver:js6285@cipe801.sldc.sbc.com:12310/appl/pkg1/cvs/reps/theteam/cvs
> '.
> >
> > The user ID in the error message is always the one I used to check out
> the
> > code, not the one in the POM (when they are different). The password is
> in
> > the POM but it's not being used. Also, there seems to be a colon
> missing
> > between the port number and the path to the repository.
>
> colon isn't missing, it's the format used in .cvspass
> how did you checked out your project?
Eclipse.
What is the version of your scm plugin?
I take it that there is no way to get it to print out for me?
I see 1.0-rc1 in my personal repository (but 1.0-beta-3 is also there).
Emmanuel
> >
> >
> >
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Emmanuel Venisse <em...@venisse.net>.
Jon Strayer a écrit :
> On 5/21/07, Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> I'm not clear -- is this response not sufficient and you're asking for
>> more help, or do you have things working?
>>
>> If you still need help, I'd suggest looking at example pom.xml files
>> for some open source projects to see how they have configured their
>> SCM. Here's a few links:
>> http://svn.plexus.codehaus.org/browse/plexus/trunk/pom.xml?r=1500
>> http://vmgump.apache.org/gump/public/jline/jline/gump_file/pom.xml.html
>> http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/wsmo4j/ext/pom.xml?r=1.4
>>
>> If you're having specific problems, tell us what you've done, what
>> specifically isn't working, what error messages you're receiving, etc.
>>
>> Wayne
>>
>>
> This is my scm section:
> <scm>
> <connection>
> scm:cvs:pserver:js6285:password@cipe801.sldc.sbc.com:12310
> :/appl/pkg1/cvs/reps/theteam/cvs:CSPCookieFilter
> </connection>
> <developerConnection>
> scm:cvs:pserver:js6285:password@cipe801.sldc.sbc.com:12310
> :/appl/pkg1/cvs/reps/theteam/cvs:CSPCookieFilter
> </developerConnection>
> <tag>HEAD</tag>
> <url></url>
> </scm>
>
> This is the command I'm executing:
> $ mvn -e scm:update
>
> This is the error message:
>
> [ERROR] No CVS root is set. Check your <repository> information in the POM.
> [ERROR] Provider message:
> [ERROR] The cvs command failed.
> [ERROR] Command output:
> [ERROR]
Do you use this command in a CVS working copy directory?
>
>
> Nothing I've read says anything about cvsroot in the POM.
>
> Slightly more interesting is that if I execute the same command with the
> same POM in a directory where I've already checked out the code I get this
> error:
> [ERROR] Didn't find password for CVSROOT ':
> pserver:js6285@cipe801.sldc.sbc.com:12310/appl/pkg1/cvs/reps/theteam/cvs'.
>
> The user ID in the error message is always the one I used to check out the
> code, not the one in the POM (when they are different). The password is in
> the POM but it's not being used. Also, there seems to be a colon missing
> between the port number and the path to the repository.
colon isn't missing, it's the format used in .cvspass
how did you checked out your project?
What is the version of your scm plugin?
Emmanuel
>
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org>.
On 5/21/07, Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not clear -- is this response not sufficient and you're asking for
> more help, or do you have things working?
>
> If you still need help, I'd suggest looking at example pom.xml files
> for some open source projects to see how they have configured their
> SCM. Here's a few links:
> http://svn.plexus.codehaus.org/browse/plexus/trunk/pom.xml?r=1500
> http://vmgump.apache.org/gump/public/jline/jline/gump_file/pom.xml.html
> http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/wsmo4j/ext/pom.xml?r=1.4
>
> If you're having specific problems, tell us what you've done, what
> specifically isn't working, what error messages you're receiving, etc.
>
> Wayne
>
>
This is my scm section:
<scm>
<connection>
scm:cvs:pserver:js6285:password@cipe801.sldc.sbc.com:12310
:/appl/pkg1/cvs/reps/theteam/cvs:CSPCookieFilter
</connection>
<developerConnection>
scm:cvs:pserver:js6285:password@cipe801.sldc.sbc.com:12310
:/appl/pkg1/cvs/reps/theteam/cvs:CSPCookieFilter
</developerConnection>
<tag>HEAD</tag>
<url></url>
</scm>
This is the command I'm executing:
$ mvn -e scm:update
This is the error message:
[ERROR] No CVS root is set. Check your <repository> information in the POM.
[ERROR] Provider message:
[ERROR] The cvs command failed.
[ERROR] Command output:
[ERROR]
Nothing I've read says anything about cvsroot in the POM.
Slightly more interesting is that if I execute the same command with the
same POM in a directory where I've already checked out the code I get this
error:
[ERROR] Didn't find password for CVSROOT ':
pserver:js6285@cipe801.sldc.sbc.com:12310/appl/pkg1/cvs/reps/theteam/cvs'.
The user ID in the error message is always the one I used to check out the
code, not the one in the POM (when they are different). The password is in
the POM but it's not being used. Also, there seems to be a colon missing
between the port number and the path to the repository.
--
Esse Quam Videre
To Be, rather than to Seem
Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com>.
I'm not clear -- is this response not sufficient and you're asking for
more help, or do you have things working?
If you still need help, I'd suggest looking at example pom.xml files
for some open source projects to see how they have configured their
SCM. Here's a few links:
http://svn.plexus.codehaus.org/browse/plexus/trunk/pom.xml?r=1500
http://vmgump.apache.org/gump/public/jline/jline/gump_file/pom.xml.html
http://fisheye1.cenqua.com/browse/wsmo4j/ext/pom.xml?r=1.4
If you're having specific problems, tell us what you've done, what
specifically isn't working, what error messages you're receiving, etc.
Wayne
On 5/21/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
> On 5/21/07, Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > This is pretty well-documented on the website:
> > http://maven.apache.org/scm/cvs.html
>
>
> I assume that's true if you already know the answer. Trust me when I tell
> you that after spending hours reading the site and searching through mailing
> list archives it's not clear to me.
>
>
> Wayne
> >
> > On 5/21/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
> > > I'm getting this error when I try to update my project:
> > > [ERROR] No CVS root is set. Check your <repository> information in the
> > POM.
> > >
> > > Where in the POM do I set the CVS Root?
> > > How can I specify the user id and password outside of the POM?
> > >
> > > --
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> > > To Be, rather than to Seem
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org>.
On 5/21/07, Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is pretty well-documented on the website:
> http://maven.apache.org/scm/cvs.html
I assume that's true if you already know the answer. Trust me when I tell
you that after spending hours reading the site and searching through mailing
list archives it's not clear to me.
Wayne
>
> On 5/21/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
> > I'm getting this error when I try to update my project:
> > [ERROR] No CVS root is set. Check your <repository> information in the
> POM.
> >
> > Where in the POM do I set the CVS Root?
> > How can I specify the user id and password outside of the POM?
> >
> > --
> > Esse Quam Videre
> > To Be, rather than to Seem
> >
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Wayne Fay <wa...@gmail.com>.
This is pretty well-documented on the website:
http://maven.apache.org/scm/cvs.html
Wayne
On 5/21/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
> I'm getting this error when I try to update my project:
> [ERROR] No CVS root is set. Check your <repository> information in the POM.
>
> Where in the POM do I set the CVS Root?
> How can I specify the user id and password outside of the POM?
>
> --
> Esse Quam Videre
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Re: maven 2 command
Posted by Seth Mason <se...@slackorama.com>.
I found this page really helpful when I was starting off with maven.
http://maven.apache.org/plugins/
HTH,
SETH
On 5/25/07, xiaojie han <xi...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> I am new to maven2 and is in the learning process.
> Is there any site that has list of all the maven commands, such as mvn
> compile, etc and explains what that command will complish?
> it will be very helpful reference.
>
> thanks.
>
>
>
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org>.
Thanks.
On 5/25/07, Emmanuel Venisse <em...@venisse.net> wrote:
>
> In pom.xml
>
> <project>
> ...
> <scm>
> <connection>scm:cvs:pserver:${cvs.user}:${cvs.password
> }@host:/cvs/root:module</connection>
> <developerConnection>scm:cvs:pserver:${cvs.user}:${cvs.password
> }@host:/cvs/root:module</developerConnection>
> </scm>
> ...
> </project>
>
> in settings.xml
> <settings>
> ...
> <profiles>
> <profile>
> <id>cvs_conf</id>
> <properties>
> <cvs.user>username</cvs.user>
> <cvs.password>mypassword</cvs.password>
> </properties>
> </profile>
> </profiles>
> <activeProfiles>
> <activeProfile>cvs_conf</activeProfile>
> </activeProfiles>
> ...
> </settings>
>
> Emmanuel
>
> Jon Strayer a écrit :
> > I don't mind putting it in settings.xml. What do I need to wrap it in?
> >
> > On 5/24/07, Emmanuel Venisse <em...@venisse.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> You can run a cvs login command so you won't have to store your
> password
> >> in your pom or settings.xml. It will be stored in .cvspass if you use a
> >> standard cvs or in the windows registry if you use cvsnt
> >>
> >> Emmanuel
> >>
> >> Jon Strayer a écrit :
> >> > Getting back to my original question, how can I set the password
> >> outside
> >> of
> >> > the POM?
> >> >
> >> > On 5/21/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm getting this error when I try to update my project:
> >> >> [ERROR] No CVS root is set. Check your <repository> information in
> the
> >> >> POM.
> >> >>
> >> >> Where in the POM do I set the CVS Root?
> >> >> How can I specify the user id and password outside of the POM?
> >> >>
> >> >> --
> >> >> Esse Quam Videre
> >> >> To Be, rather than to Seem
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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maven 2 command
Posted by xiaojie han <xi...@yahoo.com>.
I am new to maven2 and is in the learning process.
Is there any site that has list of all the maven commands, such as mvn
compile, etc and explains what that command will complish?
it will be very helpful reference.
thanks.
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Emmanuel Venisse <em...@venisse.net>.
In pom.xml
<project>
...
<scm>
<connection>scm:cvs:pserver:${cvs.user}:${cvs.password}@host:/cvs/root:module</connection>
<developerConnection>scm:cvs:pserver:${cvs.user}:${cvs.password}@host:/cvs/root:module</developerConnection>
</scm>
...
</project>
in settings.xml
<settings>
...
<profiles>
<profile>
<id>cvs_conf</id>
<properties>
<cvs.user>username</cvs.user>
<cvs.password>mypassword</cvs.password>
</properties>
</profile>
</profiles>
<activeProfiles>
<activeProfile>cvs_conf</activeProfile>
</activeProfiles>
...
</settings>
Emmanuel
Jon Strayer a écrit :
> I don't mind putting it in settings.xml. What do I need to wrap it in?
>
> On 5/24/07, Emmanuel Venisse <em...@venisse.net> wrote:
>>
>> You can run a cvs login command so you won't have to store your password
>> in your pom or settings.xml. It will be stored in .cvspass if you use a
>> standard cvs or in the windows registry if you use cvsnt
>>
>> Emmanuel
>>
>> Jon Strayer a écrit :
>> > Getting back to my original question, how can I set the password
>> outside
>> of
>> > the POM?
>> >
>> > On 5/21/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> I'm getting this error when I try to update my project:
>> >> [ERROR] No CVS root is set. Check your <repository> information in the
>> >> POM.
>> >>
>> >> Where in the POM do I set the CVS Root?
>> >> How can I specify the user id and password outside of the POM?
>> >>
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org>.
I don't mind putting it in settings.xml. What do I need to wrap it in?
On 5/24/07, Emmanuel Venisse <em...@venisse.net> wrote:
>
> You can run a cvs login command so you won't have to store your password
> in your pom or settings.xml. It will be stored in .cvspass if you use a
> standard cvs or in the windows registry if you use cvsnt
>
> Emmanuel
>
> Jon Strayer a écrit :
> > Getting back to my original question, how can I set the password outside
> of
> > the POM?
> >
> > On 5/21/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
> >>
> >> I'm getting this error when I try to update my project:
> >> [ERROR] No CVS root is set. Check your <repository> information in the
> >> POM.
> >>
> >> Where in the POM do I set the CVS Root?
> >> How can I specify the user id and password outside of the POM?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Esse Quam Videre
> >> To Be, rather than to Seem
> >
> >
> >
> >
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Emmanuel Venisse <em...@venisse.net>.
You can run a cvs login command so you won't have to store your password in your pom or settings.xml. It will be stored in .cvspass if you use a standard cvs or in the windows registry if you use cvsnt
Emmanuel
Jon Strayer a écrit :
> Getting back to my original question, how can I set the password outside of
> the POM?
>
> On 5/21/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm getting this error when I try to update my project:
>> [ERROR] No CVS root is set. Check your <repository> information in the
>> POM.
>>
>> Where in the POM do I set the CVS Root?
>> How can I specify the user id and password outside of the POM?
>>
>> --
>> Esse Quam Videre
>> To Be, rather than to Seem
>
>
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Re: CVS parameters
Posted by Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org>.
Getting back to my original question, how can I set the password outside of
the POM?
On 5/21/07, Jon Strayer <jo...@strayer.org> wrote:
>
> I'm getting this error when I try to update my project:
> [ERROR] No CVS root is set. Check your <repository> information in the
> POM.
>
> Where in the POM do I set the CVS Root?
> How can I specify the user id and password outside of the POM?
>
> --
> Esse Quam Videre
> To Be, rather than to Seem
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