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Posted to dev@airavata.apache.org by Marlon Pierce <ma...@iu.edu> on 2012/08/02 18:19:24 UTC
Some architectural documentation comments
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The write up at
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Architecture is a
good start, but I have some additional suggestions:
* We need a process flow description based on the "Airavata in 10
Minutes" demo that shows how the components interact.
* We need to go beyond the current component descriptions to be more
precise. For example, what SHALL a component do and what SHALL a
component NOT do? This will help when people try to integrate with
other grid job management systems.
* We need some written-out "thought exercises" on how to integrate
various related/complementary/competing projects such as Hadoop,
UNICORE, SAGA, etc.
I'll encode these as Jiras.
Marlon
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Re: Some architectural documentation comments
Posted by Heshan Suriyaarachchi <he...@gmail.com>.
Hi Chathuri,
Please see my inline comments.
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 12:37 PM, Chathuri Wimalasena
<ka...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> Adding few more to Amila's comment, IMO it will be really useful for users
> to see the overall picture of airavata than focusing on X-Baya UI in the
> documentation. At the moment most of the tutorials are focusing on how you
> can create a workflow etc. Having some screen-casts of actual use-cases
> will be an excellent way to get a good understanding of airavata for a
> newbie.
>
+1
Sometime back, when we were reviewing the documentation/wiki, we were
thinking of adding some video-casts of usecases but we were not able to do
it for 0.4-incubating release.
>
> And also it will be better to have the same name in the Advanced Workflow
> Samples<
> http://incubator.apache.org/airavata/documentation/system/advanced-workflow-samples.html
> >
> as the actual workflow located in <airavata-home>/samples/workflows. For
> example, 3rd workfolw is name as "LevenshteinDistance workflow" but the
> name of the actual workfolw is "ForeachCrossProductLevenshteinDistance".
>
Fixed.
Thanks,
Heshan.
>
> Thanks and Regards,
> Chathuri
>
>
>
> On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Supun Kamburugamuva <supun06@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Amila Jayasekara
> > <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Also it will be great if we can have a complete problem description of
> > > a real use case and how it is solved using "Science Gateway". I do see
> > > links related to Dark Energy [1] and Param Chem [2]. But it has little
> > > information about the real problem which we try to solve.
> >
> > +1, I think it is a great idea to have a complete use case described
> > in the documentation.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Supun..
> >
> > > [1]
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Dark+Energy+Survey
> > > [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Param+Chem
> > >
> > > Thanks
> > > AmilaJ
> > >
> > >
> > > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Marlon Pierce <ma...@iu.edu>
> wrote:
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> > >> The write up at
> > >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Architecture is
> a
> > >> good start, but I have some additional suggestions:
> > >>
> > >> * We need a process flow description based on the "Airavata in 10
> > >> Minutes" demo that shows how the components interact.
> > >>
> > >> * We need to go beyond the current component descriptions to be more
> > >> precise. For example, what SHALL a component do and what SHALL a
> > >> component NOT do? This will help when people try to integrate with
> > >> other grid job management systems.
> > >>
> > >> * We need some written-out "thought exercises" on how to integrate
> > >> various related/complementary/competing projects such as Hadoop,
> > >> UNICORE, SAGA, etc.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> I'll encode these as Jiras.
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> Marlon
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> >
> > --
> > Supun Kamburugamuva
> > Member, Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org
> > E-mail: supun06@gmail.com; Mobile: +94 77 431 3585
> > Blog: http://supunk.blogspot.com
> >
>
--
Regards,
Heshan Suriyaarachchi
http://heshans.blogspot.com/
Re: Some architectural documentation comments
Posted by Chathuri Wimalasena <ka...@gmail.com>.
Hi All,
Adding few more to Amila's comment, IMO it will be really useful for users
to see the overall picture of airavata than focusing on X-Baya UI in the
documentation. At the moment most of the tutorials are focusing on how you
can create a workflow etc. Having some screen-casts of actual use-cases
will be an excellent way to get a good understanding of airavata for a
newbie.
And also it will be better to have the same name in the Advanced Workflow
Samples<http://incubator.apache.org/airavata/documentation/system/advanced-workflow-samples.html>
as the actual workflow located in <airavata-home>/samples/workflows. For
example, 3rd workfolw is name as "LevenshteinDistance workflow" but the
name of the actual workfolw is "ForeachCrossProductLevenshteinDistance".
Thanks and Regards,
Chathuri
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 11:58 AM, Supun Kamburugamuva <su...@gmail.com>wrote:
> On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Amila Jayasekara
> <th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Also it will be great if we can have a complete problem description of
> > a real use case and how it is solved using "Science Gateway". I do see
> > links related to Dark Energy [1] and Param Chem [2]. But it has little
> > information about the real problem which we try to solve.
>
> +1, I think it is a great idea to have a complete use case described
> in the documentation.
>
> Thanks,
> Supun..
>
> > [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Dark+Energy+Survey
> > [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Param+Chem
> >
> > Thanks
> > AmilaJ
> >
> >
> > On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Marlon Pierce <ma...@iu.edu> wrote:
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> >> The write up at
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Architecture is a
> >> good start, but I have some additional suggestions:
> >>
> >> * We need a process flow description based on the "Airavata in 10
> >> Minutes" demo that shows how the components interact.
> >>
> >> * We need to go beyond the current component descriptions to be more
> >> precise. For example, what SHALL a component do and what SHALL a
> >> component NOT do? This will help when people try to integrate with
> >> other grid job management systems.
> >>
> >> * We need some written-out "thought exercises" on how to integrate
> >> various related/complementary/competing projects such as Hadoop,
> >> UNICORE, SAGA, etc.
> >>
> >>
> >> I'll encode these as Jiras.
> >>
> >>
> >> Marlon
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>
> --
> Supun Kamburugamuva
> Member, Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org
> E-mail: supun06@gmail.com; Mobile: +94 77 431 3585
> Blog: http://supunk.blogspot.com
>
Re: Some architectural documentation comments
Posted by Supun Kamburugamuva <su...@gmail.com>.
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Amila Jayasekara
<th...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Also it will be great if we can have a complete problem description of
> a real use case and how it is solved using "Science Gateway". I do see
> links related to Dark Energy [1] and Param Chem [2]. But it has little
> information about the real problem which we try to solve.
+1, I think it is a great idea to have a complete use case described
in the documentation.
Thanks,
Supun..
> [1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Dark+Energy+Survey
> [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Param+Chem
>
> Thanks
> AmilaJ
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Marlon Pierce <ma...@iu.edu> wrote:
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>> The write up at
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Architecture is a
>> good start, but I have some additional suggestions:
>>
>> * We need a process flow description based on the "Airavata in 10
>> Minutes" demo that shows how the components interact.
>>
>> * We need to go beyond the current component descriptions to be more
>> precise. For example, what SHALL a component do and what SHALL a
>> component NOT do? This will help when people try to integrate with
>> other grid job management systems.
>>
>> * We need some written-out "thought exercises" on how to integrate
>> various related/complementary/competing projects such as Hadoop,
>> UNICORE, SAGA, etc.
>>
>>
>> I'll encode these as Jiras.
>>
>>
>> Marlon
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--
Supun Kamburugamuva
Member, Apache Software Foundation; http://www.apache.org
E-mail: supun06@gmail.com; Mobile: +94 77 431 3585
Blog: http://supunk.blogspot.com
Re: Some architectural documentation comments
Posted by Heshan Suriyaarachchi <he...@gmail.com>.
Hi Amila,
I added those pages as place holders for those projects that are using
Airavata. The finer details should be filled in by the people who are
handling that project from our end. ie. Raman for Dark Energy Survey and
Saminda for Param Chem.
We mainly compiled this wiki targeting the XSEDE12 Airavata tutorial
audience and due to working on other critical tasks, these were left out as
it is. Since the conference work is done, these will be filled in by the
relevant people.
Please, provide feedback on the documentation and how it should be
improved. Since I have been working on the documentation for some time, I
might not see some pitfalls in the documentation. It's always nice to have
a fresh set of eyes looking at our documentation :).
Thanks,
Heshan.
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 10:41 AM, Amila Jayasekara
<th...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Also it will be great if we can have a complete problem description of
> a real use case and how it is solved using "Science Gateway". I do see
> links related to Dark Energy [1] and Param Chem [2]. But it has little
> information about the real problem which we try to solve.
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Dark+Energy+Survey
> [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Param+Chem
>
> Thanks
> AmilaJ
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Marlon Pierce <ma...@iu.edu> wrote:
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> > The write up at
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Architecture is a
> > good start, but I have some additional suggestions:
> >
> > * We need a process flow description based on the "Airavata in 10
> > Minutes" demo that shows how the components interact.
> >
> > * We need to go beyond the current component descriptions to be more
> > precise. For example, what SHALL a component do and what SHALL a
> > component NOT do? This will help when people try to integrate with
> > other grid job management systems.
> >
> > * We need some written-out "thought exercises" on how to integrate
> > various related/complementary/competing projects such as Hadoop,
> > UNICORE, SAGA, etc.
> >
> >
> > I'll encode these as Jiras.
> >
> >
> > Marlon
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--
Regards,
Heshan Suriyaarachchi
http://heshans.blogspot.com/
Re: Some architectural documentation comments
Posted by Shahani Markus Weerawarana <sh...@gmail.com>.
+1
As a start, I suggest we at least request some existing, introductory
presentations and papers from the Param Chem and DES groups so that we can
have content in the use cases, until those groups find the time to update
the wiki with further details.
Shahani
On Fri, Aug 3, 2012 at 7:41 AM, Amila Jayasekara <th...@gmail.com>wrote:
> Also it will be great if we can have a complete problem description of
> a real use case and how it is solved using "Science Gateway". I do see
> links related to Dark Energy [1] and Param Chem [2]. But it has little
> information about the real problem which we try to solve.
>
> [1]
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Dark+Energy+Survey
> [2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Param+Chem
>
> Thanks
> AmilaJ
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Marlon Pierce <ma...@iu.edu> wrote:
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> > The write up at
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Architecture is a
> > good start, but I have some additional suggestions:
> >
> > * We need a process flow description based on the "Airavata in 10
> > Minutes" demo that shows how the components interact.
> >
> > * We need to go beyond the current component descriptions to be more
> > precise. For example, what SHALL a component do and what SHALL a
> > component NOT do? This will help when people try to integrate with
> > other grid job management systems.
> >
> > * We need some written-out "thought exercises" on how to integrate
> > various related/complementary/competing projects such as Hadoop,
> > UNICORE, SAGA, etc.
> >
> >
> > I'll encode these as Jiras.
> >
> >
> > Marlon
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--
*Shahani Markus Weerawarana, Ph.D.*
*Computer Scientist*
Visiting Lecturer, University of Moratuwa, Sri Lanka.
Visiting Researcher, Indiana University, USA.
Re: Some architectural documentation comments
Posted by Amila Jayasekara <th...@gmail.com>.
Also it will be great if we can have a complete problem description of
a real use case and how it is solved using "Science Gateway". I do see
links related to Dark Energy [1] and Param Chem [2]. But it has little
information about the real problem which we try to solve.
[1] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Dark+Energy+Survey
[2] https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Param+Chem
Thanks
AmilaJ
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Marlon Pierce <ma...@iu.edu> wrote:
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>
> The write up at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Architecture is a
> good start, but I have some additional suggestions:
>
> * We need a process flow description based on the "Airavata in 10
> Minutes" demo that shows how the components interact.
>
> * We need to go beyond the current component descriptions to be more
> precise. For example, what SHALL a component do and what SHALL a
> component NOT do? This will help when people try to integrate with
> other grid job management systems.
>
> * We need some written-out "thought exercises" on how to integrate
> various related/complementary/competing projects such as Hadoop,
> UNICORE, SAGA, etc.
>
>
> I'll encode these as Jiras.
>
>
> Marlon
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Re: Some architectural documentation comments
Posted by Heshan Suriyaarachchi <he...@gmail.com>.
Hi Marlon,
Thanks for providing the feedback on the Architecture wiki page. I will add
the content that you requested to the wiki.
Thanks,
Heshan.
On Thu, Aug 2, 2012 at 12:19 PM, Marlon Pierce <ma...@iu.edu> wrote:
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>
> The write up at
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/AIRAVATA/Architecture is a
> good start, but I have some additional suggestions:
>
> * We need a process flow description based on the "Airavata in 10
> Minutes" demo that shows how the components interact.
>
> * We need to go beyond the current component descriptions to be more
> precise. For example, what SHALL a component do and what SHALL a
> component NOT do? This will help when people try to integrate with
> other grid job management systems.
>
> * We need some written-out "thought exercises" on how to integrate
> various related/complementary/competing projects such as Hadoop,
> UNICORE, SAGA, etc.
>
>
> I'll encode these as Jiras.
>
>
> Marlon
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Regards,
Heshan Suriyaarachchi
http://heshans.blogspot.com/