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[status] Static webside migration

Hello all,


Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?

Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.

I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would love to
see George delivering something, so we can review committer status in
the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on our door.)


Thanks

All the Best

Peter


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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.

> On Oct 1, 2019, at 11:18 AM, Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de> wrote:
> 
> Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
> 
> thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration.
> 
>>> I propose these:
>>> 
>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
> 
> May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case:
> 
> ooo-dev-site
> ooo-org-site

The reason to use openoffice- is due to ease in finding the repositories on GitHub and seeing that they belong to us (both Apache and the OpenOffice project). It is not a big deal in SVN, but I think git differs due to a lot of the automation that connects gitbox and GitHub.

Try this search:
https://github.com/apache?utf8=✓&q=openoffice&type=&language=

Or this page:
https://gitbox.apache.org/repos/asf
And then search on the page for “openoffice”

To use “ooo” will require Infra to make an exception in their whole logic including matching of Apache LDAP roles to Github authorization groups.

I can ask, but I don’t think we need to be that special. I rather take their time on supporting whatever we need in builedbot/jenkins.

Regards,
Dave

> 
> I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Marcus
> 
> 
> 
>> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will have staging and production.
>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used. Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local build.
>> This will take sometime.
>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals welcome. I may play with it myself...
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>> 
>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> All the Best
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>> 
>>>>> See inline.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new CMS
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find additional information?
>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in parallel.
>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives of both even before that. Yes?
>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to keep a local copy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the results.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would love to
>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer status in
>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on our door.)
> 
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Am 01.10.19 um 21:43 schrieb Matthias Seidel:
> Am 01.10.19 um 20:18 schrieb Marcus:
>> Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>>>
>>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
>> thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration.
>>
>>>> I propose these:
>>>>
>>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
>> May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case:
>>
>> ooo-dev-site
>> ooo-org-site
>>
>> I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use.
> +1
>
> Matthias

Thinking about it, we may have to use "openoffice" because of the GitHub
space, so

openoffice-dev-site
openoffice-org-site

would be my favorites.

Matthias

>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Marcus
>>
>>
>>
>>> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>>>
>>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will
>>> have staging and production.
>>>
>>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does
>>> not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I
>>> may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>>>
>>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used.
>>> Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be
>>> instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local
>>> build.
>>>
>>> This will take sometime.
>>>
>>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals
>>> welcome. I may play with it myself...
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
>>>>
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All the Best
>>>>>
>>>>> Peter
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> See inline.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new
>>>>>>> CMS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to
>>>>>>> do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to
>>>>>>> size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find
>>>>>>> additional information?
>>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few
>>>>>> different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the
>>>>>> incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the
>>>>>>> current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with
>>>>>>> the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in
>>>>>> parallel.
>>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both
>>>>>>> www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking
>>>>>> issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss
>>>>>> our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning
>>>>>>> on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is
>>>>>>> quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the
>>>>>>> "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn
>>>>>>> accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives
>>>>>>> of both even before that. Yes?
>>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to
>>>>>> keep a local copy.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the
>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would
>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer
>>>>>>>> status in
>>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on
>>>>>>>> our door.)
>>
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Am 01.10.19 um 20:18 schrieb Marcus:
> Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>>
>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
>
> thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration.
>
>>> I propose these:
>>>
>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
>
> May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case:
>
> ooo-dev-site
> ooo-org-site
>
> I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use.

+1

Matthias

>
> Thanks
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>>
>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will
>> have staging and production.
>>
>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does
>> not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I
>> may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>>
>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used.
>> Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be
>> instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local
>> build.
>>
>> This will take sometime.
>>
>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals
>> welcome. I may play with it myself...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>>
>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the Best
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>>
>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>>
>>>>> See inline.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new
>>>>>> CMS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to
>>>>>> do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to
>>>>>> size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find
>>>>>> additional information?
>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>>
>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few
>>>>> different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the
>>>>> incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>>
>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>>
>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the
>>>>>> current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with
>>>>>> the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in
>>>>> parallel.
>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both
>>>>>> www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking
>>>>> issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss
>>>>> our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>>
>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning
>>>>>> on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is
>>>>>> quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the
>>>>>> "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn
>>>>>> accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives
>>>>>> of both even before that. Yes?
>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to
>>>>> keep a local copy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the
>>>>> results.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would
>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer
>>>>>>> status in
>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on
>>>>>>> our door.)
>
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 01.10.19 um 22:24 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 01.10.19 20:18, Marcus wrote:
>>> Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>>>>
>>>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
>>>
>>> thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration.
>>>
>>>>> I propose these:
>>>>>
>>>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>>>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
>>>
>>> May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case:
>>>
>>> ooo-dev-site
>>> ooo-org-site
>>>
>>> I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use.
>> I prefer descriptiveness over shortness. we are not able to shorten
>> openoffice.
>>
>> How about:
>>
>> openoffice-org-www (I am fine with -website or -web-site, but -site is
>> missing something for me.
> 
> openoffice-org is very descriptive
> 
>>
>> openoffice-dev-doc (Maybe the repo works without web interpretation too)
> 
> openoffice-dev is descriptive

OK, when we have to use "openoffice" in the name then your both 
suggestions are good. Please use them.

Thanks

Marcus



>>>> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>>>>
>>>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will
>>>> have staging and production.
>>>>
>>>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does
>>>> not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I
>>>> may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>>>>
>>>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used.
>>>> Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be
>>>> instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local
>>>> build.
>>>>
>>>> This will take sometime.
>>>>
>>>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals
>>>> welcome. I may play with it myself...
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>>>>
>>>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
>> cool. I like this.
>>>>>
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the Best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See inline.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new
>>>>>>>> CMS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to
>>>>>>>> do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to
>>>>>>>> size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find
>>>>>>>> additional information?
>>>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few
>>>>>>> different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the
>>>>>>> incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the
>>>>>>>> current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with
>>>>>>>> the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in
>>>>>>> parallel.
>>>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both
>>>>>>>> www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking
>>>>>>> issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss
>>>>>>> our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning
>>>>>>>> on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is
>>>>>>>> quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the
>>>>>>>> "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn
>>>>>>>> accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives
>>>>>>>> of both even before that. Yes?
>>>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to
>>>>>>> keep a local copy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the
>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would
>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer
>>>>>>>>> status in
>>>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on
>>>>>>>>> our door.)


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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 01.10.19 um 22:33 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> On 01.10.19 22:24, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 01.10.19 20:18, Marcus wrote:
>>>> Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>>>>>
>>>>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
>>>> thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration.
>>>>
>>>>>> I propose these:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>>>>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
>>>> May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case:
>>>>
>>>> ooo-dev-site
>>>> ooo-org-site
>>>>
>>>> I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use.
>>> I prefer descriptiveness over shortness. we are not able to shorten
>>> openoffice.
>>>
>>> How about:
>>>
>>> openoffice-org-www (I am fine with -website or -web-site, but -site is
>>> missing something for me.
>> openoffice-org is very descriptive
> yea agreed. +1
>>
>>> openoffice-dev-doc (Maybe the repo works without web interpretation too)
>> openoffice-dev is descriptive
> 
> Not for me. Dev is heavyliy overloded shortcut, for me. We use it for
> all contexts.
> 
> I prefer openoffice-doc over openoffice-dev. Even openoffice-pgm-doc I
> like more.

sorry, I don't know what you mean with dev oder doc or pgm. Please let 
us use what we know already.

Marcus



>>> we would deliver a read me anyhow. Also I would like to be addressable
>>> to Github for low feedback loop or can anyone think any reason why we
>>> want to switch this off?
>> Switch off what? Using Github for changes is a feature.
> We can switch off the propagation to the feature Github. I am just
> asking. I like the feature it offers.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>>>>>
>>>>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will
>>>>> have staging and production.
>>>>>
>>>>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does
>>>>> not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I
>>>>> may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>>>>>
>>>>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used.
>>>>> Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be
>>>>> instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local
>>>>> build.
>>>>>
>>>>> This will take sometime.
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals
>>>>> welcome. I may play with it myself...
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>>>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>>>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>>>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>>>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
>>> cool. I like this.
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the Best
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See inline.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new
>>>>>>>>> CMS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to
>>>>>>>>> do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to
>>>>>>>>> size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find
>>>>>>>>> additional information?
>>>>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few
>>>>>>>> different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the
>>>>>>>> incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the
>>>>>>>>> current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with
>>>>>>>>> the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>>>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in
>>>>>>>> parallel.
>>>>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both
>>>>>>>>> www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking
>>>>>>>> issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss
>>>>>>>> our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning
>>>>>>>>> on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is
>>>>>>>>> quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the
>>>>>>>>> "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn
>>>>>>>>> accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives
>>>>>>>>> of both even before that. Yes?
>>>>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to
>>>>>>>> keep a local copy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the
>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would
>>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer
>>>>>>>>>> status in
>>>>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on
>>>>>>>>>> our door.)


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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org>.
+1

On 02.10.19 00:22, Dave Fisher wrote:
> No problem.
>
> Let’s go with the following.
>
> openoffice-project for the project site - openoffice.apache.org
>
> openoffice-org for the user site - www.openoffice.org
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I am confused. I thought the developer site is something like dev doku I
>> found somewhere in the svn.
>>
>> The developer side is not about development. It is about the project.
>>
>> On 01.10.19 23:12, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> Am 01.10.19 um 22:33 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>>> On 01.10.19 22:24, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01.10.19 20:18, Marcus wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>>>>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
>>>>>>> thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I propose these:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>>>>>>>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
>>>>>>> May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ooo-dev-site
>>>>>>> ooo-org-site
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use.
>>>>>> I prefer descriptiveness over shortness. we are not able to shorten
>>>>>> openoffice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> openoffice-org-www (I am fine with -website or -web-site, but -site is
>>>>>> missing something for me.
>>>>> openoffice-org is very descriptive
>>>> yea agreed. +1
>>>>>> openoffice-dev-doc (Maybe the repo works without web interpretation too)
>>>>> openoffice-dev is descriptive
>>>> Not for me. Dev is heavyliy overloded shortcut, for me. We use it for
>>>> all contexts.
>>>>
>>>> I prefer openoffice-doc over openoffice-dev. Even openoffice-pgm-doc I
>>>> like more.
>>> Which website would that be?!
>>>
>>> We are talking about migration of
>>>
>>> https://www.openoffice.org (OpenOffice.org website for user)
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> https://openoffice.apache.org (Project website for developer)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>    Matthias
>>>
>>>>>> we would deliver a read me anyhow. Also I would like to be addressable
>>>>>> to Github for low feedback loop or can anyone think any reason why we
>>>>>> want to switch this off?
>>>>> Switch off what? Using Github for changes is a feature.
>>>> We can switch off the propagation to the feature Github. I am just
>>>> asking. I like the feature it offers.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will
>>>>>>>> have staging and production.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does
>>>>>>>> not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I
>>>>>>>> may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used.
>>>>>>>> Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be
>>>>>>>> instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local
>>>>>>>> build.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This will take sometime.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals
>>>>>>>> welcome. I may play with it myself...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>>>>>>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>>>>>>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>>>>>>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>>>>>>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
>>>>>> cool. I like this.
>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All the Best
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> See inline.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new
>>>>>>>>>>>> CMS
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to
>>>>>>>>>>>> size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find
>>>>>>>>>>>> additional information?
>>>>>>>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few
>>>>>>>>>>> different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the
>>>>>>>>>>> incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>>>>>>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in
>>>>>>>>>>> parallel.
>>>>>>>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>>>>>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking
>>>>>>>>>>> issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss
>>>>>>>>>>> our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning
>>>>>>>>>>>> on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>> quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn
>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives
>>>>>>>>>>>> of both even before that. Yes?
>>>>>>>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to
>>>>>>>>>>> keep a local copy.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the
>>>>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>>>>>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>>>>>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> status in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our door.)
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 02.10.19 um 00:22 schrieb Dave Fisher:
> No problem.
> 
> Let’s go with the following.
> 
> openoffice-project for the project site - openoffice.apache.org
> 
> openoffice-org for the user site - www.openoffice.org

OK, not really short. But therefor it's easy to understand.

+1

Marcus



>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I am confused. I thought the developer site is something like dev doku I
>> found somewhere in the svn.
>>
>> The developer side is not about development. It is about the project.
>>
>> On 01.10.19 23:12, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>>> Hi Peter,
>>>
>>> Am 01.10.19 um 22:33 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>>> On 01.10.19 22:24, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 01.10.19 20:18, Marcus wrote:
>>>>>>> Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>>>>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
>>>>>>> thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I propose these:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>>>>>>>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
>>>>>>> May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ooo-dev-site
>>>>>>> ooo-org-site
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use.
>>>>>> I prefer descriptiveness over shortness. we are not able to shorten
>>>>>> openoffice.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How about:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> openoffice-org-www (I am fine with -website or -web-site, but -site is
>>>>>> missing something for me.
>>>>> openoffice-org is very descriptive
>>>> yea agreed. +1
>>>>>> openoffice-dev-doc (Maybe the repo works without web interpretation too)
>>>>> openoffice-dev is descriptive
>>>> Not for me. Dev is heavyliy overloded shortcut, for me. We use it for
>>>> all contexts.
>>>>
>>>> I prefer openoffice-doc over openoffice-dev. Even openoffice-pgm-doc I
>>>> like more.
>>> Which website would that be?!
>>>
>>> We are talking about migration of
>>>
>>> https://www.openoffice.org (OpenOffice.org website for user)
>>>
>>> and
>>>
>>> https://openoffice.apache.org (Project website for developer)
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>>
>>>     Matthias
>>>
>>>>>> we would deliver a read me anyhow. Also I would like to be addressable
>>>>>> to Github for low feedback loop or can anyone think any reason why we
>>>>>> want to switch this off?
>>>>> Switch off what? Using Github for changes is a feature.
>>>> We can switch off the propagation to the feature Github. I am just
>>>> asking. I like the feature it offers.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will
>>>>>>>> have staging and production.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does
>>>>>>>> not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I
>>>>>>>> may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used.
>>>>>>>> Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be
>>>>>>>> instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local
>>>>>>>> build.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> This will take sometime.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals
>>>>>>>> welcome. I may play with it myself...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>>>>>>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>>>>>>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>>>>>>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>>>>>>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
>>>>>> cool. I like this.
>>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> All the Best
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> See inline.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new
>>>>>>>>>>>> CMS
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to
>>>>>>>>>>>> do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to
>>>>>>>>>>>> size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find
>>>>>>>>>>>> additional information?
>>>>>>>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few
>>>>>>>>>>> different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the
>>>>>>>>>>> incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the
>>>>>>>>>>>> current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with
>>>>>>>>>>>> the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>>>>>>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in
>>>>>>>>>>> parallel.
>>>>>>>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both
>>>>>>>>>>>> www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>>>>>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking
>>>>>>>>>>> issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss
>>>>>>>>>>> our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning
>>>>>>>>>>>> on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is
>>>>>>>>>>>> quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the
>>>>>>>>>>>> "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn
>>>>>>>>>>>> accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives
>>>>>>>>>>>> of both even before that. Yes?
>>>>>>>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to
>>>>>>>>>>> keep a local copy.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the
>>>>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>>>>>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>>>>>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>>>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would
>>>>>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer
>>>>>>>>>>>>> status in
>>>>>>>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on
>>>>>>>>>>>>> our door.)


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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
No problem.

Let’s go with the following.

openoffice-project for the project site - openoffice.apache.org

openoffice-org for the user site - www.openoffice.org

Regards,
Dave

> On Oct 1, 2019, at 2:38 PM, Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org> wrote:
> 
> I am confused. I thought the developer site is something like dev doku I
> found somewhere in the svn.
> 
> The developer side is not about development. It is about the project.
> 
> On 01.10.19 23:12, Matthias Seidel wrote:
>> Hi Peter,
>> 
>> Am 01.10.19 um 22:33 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>>> On 01.10.19 22:24, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org> wrote:
>>>>> 
>>>>> On 01.10.19 20:18, Marcus wrote:
>>>>>> Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>>>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
>>>>>> thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I propose these:
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>>>>>>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
>>>>>> May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> ooo-dev-site
>>>>>> ooo-org-site
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use.
>>>>> I prefer descriptiveness over shortness. we are not able to shorten
>>>>> openoffice.
>>>>> 
>>>>> How about:
>>>>> 
>>>>> openoffice-org-www (I am fine with -website or -web-site, but -site is
>>>>> missing something for me.
>>>> openoffice-org is very descriptive
>>> yea agreed. +1
>>>>> openoffice-dev-doc (Maybe the repo works without web interpretation too)
>>>> openoffice-dev is descriptive
>>> Not for me. Dev is heavyliy overloded shortcut, for me. We use it for
>>> all contexts.
>>> 
>>> I prefer openoffice-doc over openoffice-dev. Even openoffice-pgm-doc I
>>> like more.
>> Which website would that be?!
>> 
>> We are talking about migration of
>> 
>> https://www.openoffice.org (OpenOffice.org website for user)
>> 
>> and
>> 
>> https://openoffice.apache.org (Project website for developer)
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>>    Matthias
>> 
>>>>> we would deliver a read me anyhow. Also I would like to be addressable
>>>>> to Github for low feedback loop or can anyone think any reason why we
>>>>> want to switch this off?
>>>> Switch off what? Using Github for changes is a feature.
>>> We can switch off the propagation to the feature Github. I am just
>>> asking. I like the feature it offers.
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will
>>>>>>> have staging and production.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does
>>>>>>> not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I
>>>>>>> may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used.
>>>>>>> Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be
>>>>>>> instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local
>>>>>>> build.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> This will take sometime.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals
>>>>>>> welcome. I may play with it myself...
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>>>>>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>>>>>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>>>>>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>>>>>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
>>>>> cool. I like this.
>>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> All the Best
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> See inline.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new
>>>>>>>>>>> CMS
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to
>>>>>>>>>>> do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to
>>>>>>>>>>> size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find
>>>>>>>>>>> additional information?
>>>>>>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few
>>>>>>>>>> different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the
>>>>>>>>>> incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the
>>>>>>>>>>> current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with
>>>>>>>>>>> the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>>>>>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in
>>>>>>>>>> parallel.
>>>>>>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both
>>>>>>>>>>> www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>>>>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking
>>>>>>>>>> issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss
>>>>>>>>>> our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning
>>>>>>>>>>> on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is
>>>>>>>>>>> quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the
>>>>>>>>>>> "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn
>>>>>>>>>>> accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives
>>>>>>>>>>> of both even before that. Yes?
>>>>>>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to
>>>>>>>>>> keep a local copy.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the
>>>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>>>>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>>>>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would
>>>>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer
>>>>>>>>>>>> status in
>>>>>>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on
>>>>>>>>>>>> our door.)
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: dev-help@openoffice.apache.org
>>>>>> 
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org>.
I am confused. I thought the developer site is something like dev doku I
found somewhere in the svn.

The developer side is not about development. It is about the project.

On 01.10.19 23:12, Matthias Seidel wrote:
> Hi Peter,
>
> Am 01.10.19 um 22:33 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
>> On 01.10.19 22:24, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> On 01.10.19 20:18, Marcus wrote:
>>>>> Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
>>>>> thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration.
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I propose these:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>>>>>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
>>>>> May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case:
>>>>>
>>>>> ooo-dev-site
>>>>> ooo-org-site
>>>>>
>>>>> I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use.
>>>> I prefer descriptiveness over shortness. we are not able to shorten
>>>> openoffice.
>>>>
>>>> How about:
>>>>
>>>> openoffice-org-www (I am fine with -website or -web-site, but -site is
>>>> missing something for me.
>>> openoffice-org is very descriptive
>> yea agreed. +1
>>>> openoffice-dev-doc (Maybe the repo works without web interpretation too)
>>> openoffice-dev is descriptive
>> Not for me. Dev is heavyliy overloded shortcut, for me. We use it for
>> all contexts.
>>
>> I prefer openoffice-doc over openoffice-dev. Even openoffice-pgm-doc I
>> like more.
> Which website would that be?!
>
> We are talking about migration of
>
> https://www.openoffice.org (OpenOffice.org website for user)
>
> and
>
> https://openoffice.apache.org (Project website for developer)
>
> Regards,
>
>    Matthias
>
>>>> we would deliver a read me anyhow. Also I would like to be addressable
>>>> to Github for low feedback loop or can anyone think any reason why we
>>>> want to switch this off?
>>> Switch off what? Using Github for changes is a feature.
>> We can switch off the propagation to the feature Github. I am just
>> asking. I like the feature it offers.
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>> Marcus
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will
>>>>>> have staging and production.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does
>>>>>> not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I
>>>>>> may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used.
>>>>>> Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be
>>>>>> instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local
>>>>>> build.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> This will take sometime.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals
>>>>>> welcome. I may play with it myself...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>>>>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>>>>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>>>>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>>>>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
>>>> cool. I like this.
>>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> All the Best
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> See inline.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new
>>>>>>>>>> CMS
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to
>>>>>>>>>> do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to
>>>>>>>>>> size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find
>>>>>>>>>> additional information?
>>>>>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few
>>>>>>>>> different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the
>>>>>>>>> incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the
>>>>>>>>>> current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with
>>>>>>>>>> the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>>>>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in
>>>>>>>>> parallel.
>>>>>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both
>>>>>>>>>> www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>>>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking
>>>>>>>>> issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss
>>>>>>>>> our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning
>>>>>>>>>> on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is
>>>>>>>>>> quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the
>>>>>>>>>> "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn
>>>>>>>>>> accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives
>>>>>>>>>> of both even before that. Yes?
>>>>>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to
>>>>>>>>> keep a local copy.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the
>>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>>>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>>>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would
>>>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer
>>>>>>>>>>> status in
>>>>>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on
>>>>>>>>>>> our door.)
>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>>>
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Peter,

Am 01.10.19 um 22:33 schrieb Peter Kovacs:
> On 01.10.19 22:24, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> On 01.10.19 20:18, Marcus wrote:
>>>> Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>>>>>
>>>>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
>>>> thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration.
>>>>
>>>>>> I propose these:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>>>>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
>>>> May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case:
>>>>
>>>> ooo-dev-site
>>>> ooo-org-site
>>>>
>>>> I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use.
>>> I prefer descriptiveness over shortness. we are not able to shorten
>>> openoffice.
>>>
>>> How about:
>>>
>>> openoffice-org-www (I am fine with -website or -web-site, but -site is
>>> missing something for me.
>> openoffice-org is very descriptive
> yea agreed. +1
>>> openoffice-dev-doc (Maybe the repo works without web interpretation too)
>> openoffice-dev is descriptive
> Not for me. Dev is heavyliy overloded shortcut, for me. We use it for
> all contexts.
>
> I prefer openoffice-doc over openoffice-dev. Even openoffice-pgm-doc I
> like more.

Which website would that be?!

We are talking about migration of

https://www.openoffice.org (OpenOffice.org website for user)

and

https://openoffice.apache.org (Project website for developer)

Regards,

   Matthias

>
>>> we would deliver a read me anyhow. Also I would like to be addressable
>>> to Github for low feedback loop or can anyone think any reason why we
>>> want to switch this off?
>> Switch off what? Using Github for changes is a feature.
> We can switch off the propagation to the feature Github. I am just
> asking. I like the feature it offers.
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Marcus
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>>>>>
>>>>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will
>>>>> have staging and production.
>>>>>
>>>>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does
>>>>> not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I
>>>>> may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>>>>>
>>>>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used.
>>>>> Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be
>>>>> instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local
>>>>> build.
>>>>>
>>>>> This will take sometime.
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals
>>>>> welcome. I may play with it myself...
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>>>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>>>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>>>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>>>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
>>> cool. I like this.
>>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> All the Best
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> See inline.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new
>>>>>>>>> CMS
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to
>>>>>>>>> do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to
>>>>>>>>> size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find
>>>>>>>>> additional information?
>>>>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few
>>>>>>>> different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the
>>>>>>>> incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the
>>>>>>>>> current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with
>>>>>>>>> the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>>>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in
>>>>>>>> parallel.
>>>>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both
>>>>>>>>> www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking
>>>>>>>> issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss
>>>>>>>> our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning
>>>>>>>>> on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is
>>>>>>>>> quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the
>>>>>>>>> "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn
>>>>>>>>> accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives
>>>>>>>>> of both even before that. Yes?
>>>>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to
>>>>>>>> keep a local copy.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the
>>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would
>>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer
>>>>>>>>>> status in
>>>>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on
>>>>>>>>>> our door.)
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org>.
On 01.10.19 22:24, Dave Fisher wrote:
>
>> On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> On 01.10.19 20:18, Marcus wrote:
>>> Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>>>>
>>>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
>>> thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration.
>>>
>>>>> I propose these:
>>>>>
>>>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>>>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
>>> May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case:
>>>
>>> ooo-dev-site
>>> ooo-org-site
>>>
>>> I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use.
>> I prefer descriptiveness over shortness. we are not able to shorten
>> openoffice.
>>
>> How about:
>>
>> openoffice-org-www (I am fine with -website or -web-site, but -site is
>> missing something for me.
> openoffice-org is very descriptive
yea agreed. +1
>
>> openoffice-dev-doc (Maybe the repo works without web interpretation too)
> openoffice-dev is descriptive

Not for me. Dev is heavyliy overloded shortcut, for me. We use it for
all contexts.

I prefer openoffice-doc over openoffice-dev. Even openoffice-pgm-doc I
like more.

>
>> we would deliver a read me anyhow. Also I would like to be addressable
>> to Github for low feedback loop or can anyone think any reason why we
>> want to switch this off?
> Switch off what? Using Github for changes is a feature.
We can switch off the propagation to the feature Github. I am just
asking. I like the feature it offers.
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Marcus
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>>>>
>>>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will
>>>> have staging and production.
>>>>
>>>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does
>>>> not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I
>>>> may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>>>>
>>>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used.
>>>> Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be
>>>> instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local
>>>> build.
>>>>
>>>> This will take sometime.
>>>>
>>>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals
>>>> welcome. I may play with it myself...
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
>> cool. I like this.
>>>>> Best Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the Best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> See inline.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new
>>>>>>>> CMS
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to
>>>>>>>> do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to
>>>>>>>> size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find
>>>>>>>> additional information?
>>>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few
>>>>>>> different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the
>>>>>>> incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the
>>>>>>>> current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with
>>>>>>>> the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in
>>>>>>> parallel.
>>>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both
>>>>>>>> www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking
>>>>>>> issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss
>>>>>>> our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning
>>>>>>>> on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is
>>>>>>>> quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the
>>>>>>>> "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn
>>>>>>>> accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives
>>>>>>>> of both even before that. Yes?
>>>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to
>>>>>>> keep a local copy.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the
>>>>>>> results.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would
>>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer
>>>>>>>>> status in
>>>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on
>>>>>>>>> our door.)
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.

> On Oct 1, 2019, at 1:16 PM, Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org> wrote:
> 
> On 01.10.19 20:18, Marcus wrote:
>> Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>>> 
>>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
>> 
>> thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration.
>> 
>>>> I propose these:
>>>> 
>>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
>> 
>> May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case:
>> 
>> ooo-dev-site
>> ooo-org-site
>> 
>> I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use.
> I prefer descriptiveness over shortness. we are not able to shorten
> openoffice.
> 
> How about:
> 
> openoffice-org-www (I am fine with -website or -web-site, but -site is
> missing something for me.

openoffice-org is very descriptive

> 
> openoffice-dev-doc (Maybe the repo works without web interpretation too)

openoffice-dev is descriptive

> 
> we would deliver a read me anyhow. Also I would like to be addressable
> to Github for low feedback loop or can anyone think any reason why we
> want to switch this off?

Switch off what? Using Github for changes is a feature.

Regards,
Dave

> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> Marcus
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>>> 
>>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will
>>> have staging and production.
>>> 
>>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does
>>> not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I
>>> may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>>> 
>>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used.
>>> Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be
>>> instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local
>>> build.
>>> 
>>> This will take sometime.
>>> 
>>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals
>>> welcome. I may play with it myself...
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>>> 
>>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
> cool. I like this.
>>>> 
>>>> Best Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> All the Best
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> See inline.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new
>>>>>>> CMS
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to
>>>>>>> do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to
>>>>>>> size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find
>>>>>>> additional information?
>>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few
>>>>>> different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the
>>>>>> incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the
>>>>>>> current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with
>>>>>>> the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in
>>>>>> parallel.
>>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both
>>>>>>> www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking
>>>>>> issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss
>>>>>> our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning
>>>>>>> on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is
>>>>>>> quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the
>>>>>>> "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn
>>>>>>> accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives
>>>>>>> of both even before that. Yes?
>>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to
>>>>>> keep a local copy.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the
>>>>>> results.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Regards,
>>>>>> Dave
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would
>>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer
>>>>>>>> status in
>>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on
>>>>>>>> our door.)
>> 
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org>.
On 01.10.19 20:18, Marcus wrote:
> Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher:
>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>>
>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
>
> thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration.
>
>>> I propose these:
>>>
>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
>
> May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case:
>
> ooo-dev-site
> ooo-org-site
>
> I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use.
I prefer descriptiveness over shortness. we are not able to shorten
openoffice.

How about:

openoffice-org-www (I am fine with -website or -web-site, but -site is
missing something for me.

openoffice-dev-doc (Maybe the repo works without web interpretation too)

we would deliver a read me anyhow. Also I would like to be addressable
to Github for low feedback loop or can anyone think any reason why we
want to switch this off?

>
> Thanks
>
> Marcus
>
>
>
>> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>>
>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will
>> have staging and production.
>>
>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does
>> not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I
>> may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>>
>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used.
>> Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be
>> instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local
>> build.
>>
>> This will take sometime.
>>
>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals
>> welcome. I may play with it myself...
>>
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>>
>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
cool. I like this.
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Dave
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> All the Best
>>>>
>>>> Peter
>>>>
>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>>
>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>>
>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>>
>>>>> See inline.
>>>>>
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>>
>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new
>>>>>> CMS
>>>>>>
>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>>
>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to
>>>>>> do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to
>>>>>> size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>>
>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find
>>>>>> additional information?
>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>>
>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few
>>>>> different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the
>>>>> incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>>
>>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>>
>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>>
>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the
>>>>>> current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with
>>>>>> the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>>
>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in
>>>>> parallel.
>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both
>>>>>> www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking
>>>>> issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss
>>>>> our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>>
>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning
>>>>>> on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is
>>>>>> quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the
>>>>>> "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn
>>>>>> accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives
>>>>>> of both even before that. Yes?
>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to
>>>>> keep a local copy.
>>>>>
>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the
>>>>> results.
>>>>>
>>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>>
>>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>>
>>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would
>>>>>>> love to
>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer
>>>>>>> status in
>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on
>>>>>>> our door.)
>
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Marcus <ma...@wtnet.de>.
Am 01.10.19 um 19:31 schrieb Dave Fisher:
> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
> 
>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.

thanks a lot for starting this beast of migration.

>> I propose these:
>>
>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite

May I ask you to use shorter names and all in lower case:

ooo-dev-site
ooo-org-site

I prefer this as it looks easier to remember and to use.

Thanks

Marcus



> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
> 
> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will have staging and production.
> 
> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
> 
> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used. Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local build.
> 
> This will take sometime.
> 
> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals welcome. I may play with it myself...
> 
> Regards,
> Dave
> 
>>
>>>
>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>
>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>>
>>> All the Best
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>
>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>
>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>
>>>> See inline.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>
>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new CMS
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>
>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>
>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find additional information?
>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>
>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>
>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>
>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>
>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>
>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>
>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in parallel.
>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>
>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives of both even before that. Yes?
>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to keep a local copy.
>>>>
>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the results.
>>>>
>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>
>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would love to
>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer status in
>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on our door.)


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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
:
> 
> Quick question. So once this migration is complete, we can only use git for changes?

Yes. Staging will exist. I’m not sure of the exact publishing mechanics yet, but it should be straight forward to the user.

> 
> Good that you're making use of the old CMS scripts. I didn't see any BIG reason not to do this.

Thanks.

Regards,
Dave
> 
> "And in the end, only kindness matters."
>   -- Jewel, "Hands"
> ______
> MzK
> 
> 
>> On 10/1/19 10:31 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> Hi -
>> 
>> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>> 
>>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
>>> 
>>> I propose these:
>>> 
>>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
>> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>> 
>> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will have staging and production.
>> 
>> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>> 
>> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used. Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local build.
>> 
>> This will take sometime.
>> 
>> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals welcome. I may play with it myself...
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
>>> 
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> All the Best
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>> 
>>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>> 
>>>>> See inline.
>>>>> 
>>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>> 
>>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new CMS
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find additional information?
>>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>> 
>>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>> 
>>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in parallel.
>>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>> 
>>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives of both even before that. Yes?
>>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to keep a local copy.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the results.
>>>>> 
>>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>> 
>>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>> 
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dave
>>>>> 
>>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would love to
>>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer status in
>>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on our door.)
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> All the Best
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>> 
>>>>>>> 
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
Quick question. So once this migration is complete, we can only use git 
for changes?

Good that you're making use of the old CMS scripts. I didn't see any BIG 
reason not to do this.

"And in the end, only kindness matters."
    -- Jewel, "Hands"
______
  MzK


On 10/1/19 10:31 AM, Dave Fisher wrote:
> Hi -
>
> Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,
>
>> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
>>
>> I propose these:
>>
>> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
>> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite
> I’ll be tackling the project site first.
>
> I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will have staging and production.
>
> I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.
>
> Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used. Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local build.
>
> This will take sometime.
>
> If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals welcome. I may play with it myself...
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
>> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Dave
>>
>>>
>>> All the Best
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>>> Hi Kay,
>>>>
>>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>>>
>>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>>>
>>>> See inline.
>>>>
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>
>>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Hi --
>>>>>
>>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new CMS
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>>>
>>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>>>
>>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>>>
>>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find additional information?
>>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>>>
>>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>>>
>>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>>>
>>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>>>
>>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>>>
>>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>>>
>>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in parallel.
>>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>>>
>>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>>>
>>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives of both even before that. Yes?
>>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to keep a local copy.
>>>>
>>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the results.
>>>>
>>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>>>
>>>> (1) Cleanup
>>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>>>
>>>> Regards,
>>>> Dave
>>>>
>>>>> -- MzK
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would love to
>>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer status in
>>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on our door.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks
>>>>>>
>>>>>> All the Best
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Peter
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi -

Heads up that I’m starting to do the migration,

> Repos name must start with OpenOffice.
> 
> I propose these:
> 
> OpenOffice-DevWebsite
> OpenOffice-OrgWebsite

I’ll be tackling the project site first.

I plan to make use of https://S.apache.org/asfyaml so that we will have staging and production.

I may use the Apache CMS scripts for page generation. Infra-VP does not have trouble with those being on a Jenkins or Buildbot node. I may use jBake which I’ve used with the Incubator site. It may use both.

Changes will be done in GIT and the CMS WebGUI will not be used. Committers will be able to change the git repos. There will be instructions on the local build as well. I’m starting with the local build.

This will take sometime.

If someone wants to redesign our Websites Look & Feel then proposals welcome. I may play with it myself...

Regards,
Dave

> 
>> 
>> I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
>> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
>> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
>> sort of hint to update their link lists?
> 
> If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.
> 
> Best Regards,
> Dave
> 
>> 
>> 
>> All the Best
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>>> Hi Kay,
>>> 
>>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>>> 
>>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>>> 
>>> See inline.
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi --
>>>> 
>>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new CMS
>>>> 
>>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>>> 
>>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to size and no longer pertinent information.
>>>> 
>>>> Some questions at this point --
>>>> 
>>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find additional information?
>>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>>> 
>>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>>> 
>>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>>> 
>>> (3) Finish the project site.
>>> 
>>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>>> 
>>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>>> We’ll figure that out.
>>> 
>>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in parallel.
>>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>>> 
>>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>>> 
>>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives of both even before that. Yes?
>>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to keep a local copy.
>>> 
>>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the results.
>>> 
>>> So, three parallel threads.
>>> 
>>> (1) Cleanup
>>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> Dave
>>> 
>>>> -- MzK
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>>> Hello all,
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>>> 
>>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>>> 
>>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would love to
>>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer status in
>>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on our door.)
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
>>>>> Thanks
>>>>> 
>>>>> All the Best
>>>>> 
>>>>> Peter
>>>>> 
>>>>> 
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>>>>> 
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@comcast.net>.
Hi -

> On Sep 24, 2019, at 3:26 PM, Peter Kovacs <Pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> 
> yes, last post has been from my side. I have the issue that I am
> involved in to many things and I have currently a hard time to do one
> thing right. I must sadly descope and priorize.
> 
> So I wanted to leave the main task to someone else. At the same time I
> know that removal of the CMS is on Gregs whishlist, and before we deal
> with deadlines I think I try to put as much efforts in this project to
> get other volunteering and support them in their decisions and empower them.
> 
> So I am basically fine and in agreement with Daves plan. I hope it will
> receive a broader support. What should be the git repo name?
> OOstaticWebsite?

Repos name must start with OpenOffice.

I propose these:

OpenOffice-DevWebsite
OpenOffice-OrgWebsite

> 
>  I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
> links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
> make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
> sort of hint to update their link lists?

If we track what we change then we can create https redirection rules.

Best Regards,
Dave

> 
> 
> All the Best
> 
> Peter
> 
>> On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
>> Hi Kay,
>> 
>> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>> 
>> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>> 
>> See inline.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi --
>>> 
>>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new CMS
>>> 
>>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>> 
>>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to size and no longer pertinent information.
>>> 
>>> Some questions at this point --
>>> 
>>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find additional information?
>> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>> 
>> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>> 
>> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>> 
>> (3) Finish the project site.
>> 
>> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>> 
>>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
>> We’ll figure that out.
>> 
>> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in parallel.
>>> * How long will svn continue to function for both www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
>> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>> 
>>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>> 
>>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives of both even before that. Yes?
>> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to keep a local copy.
>> 
>> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the results.
>> 
>> So, three parallel threads.
>> 
>> (1) Cleanup
>> (2) Redesign if needed.
>> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Dave
>> 
>>> -- MzK
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>>> Hello all,
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>> 
>>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>> 
>>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would love to
>>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer status in
>>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on our door.)
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> 
>>>> All the Best
>>>> 
>>>> Peter
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
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>>>> 
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Peter Kovacs <Pe...@Apache.org>.
Hello all,


yes, last post has been from my side. I have the issue that I am
involved in to many things and I have currently a hard time to do one
thing right. I must sadly descope and priorize.

So I wanted to leave the main task to someone else. At the same time I
know that removal of the CMS is on Gregs whishlist, and before we deal
with deadlines I think I try to put as much efforts in this project to
get other volunteering and support them in their decisions and empower them.

So I am basically fine and in agreement with Daves plan. I hope it will
receive a broader support. What should be the git repo name?
OOstaticWebsite?

 I have one more question. Jörg has mentioned that a lot of outside
links point to the current web pages. What do we do with this? Do we
make an announcement that this will happen and maybe give people some
sort of hint to update their link lists?


All the Best

Peter

On 24.09.19 22:54, Dave Fisher wrote:
> Hi Kay,
>
> I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.
>
> I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.
>
> See inline.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Hi --
>>
>> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new CMS
>>
>> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
>>
>> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to size and no longer pertinent information.
>>
>> Some questions at this point --
>>
>> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find additional information?
> Not exactly. Here is the plan.
>
> (1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.
>
> (2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the incubator build but Pelican is possible.
>
> (3) Finish the project site.
>
> (4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site
>
>> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.
> We’ll figure that out.
>
> If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in parallel.
>> * How long will svn continue to function for both www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?
> The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.
>
>> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning on www.openoffice.org before migration
>>
>> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives of both even before that. Yes?
> Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to keep a local copy.
>
> I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the results.
>
> So, three parallel threads.
>
> (1) Cleanup
> (2) Redesign if needed.
> (3) Move to git and away from CMS
>
> Regards,
> Dave
>
>> -- MzK
>>
>>
>>
>>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>>> Hello all,
>>>
>>>
>>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>>>
>>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>>>
>>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would love to
>>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer status in
>>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on our door.)
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> All the Best
>>>
>>> Peter
>>>
>>>
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>>>
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
Hi Kay,

I promised to look into this migration after Apachecon.

I’ve been thinking through a plan the last few days.

See inline.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 24, 2019, at 1:38 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi --
> 
> The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new CMS
> 
> https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html
> 
> and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to do some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to size and no longer pertinent information.
> 
> Some questions at this point --
> 
> * was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find additional information?

Not exactly. Here is the plan.

(1) Copy OpenOffice.apache.org svn to a new git repository.

(2) Learn to use the new infra supported yaml tags to try a few different build techniques. I am familiar with JBake from the incubator build but Pelican is possible.

(3) Finish the project site.

(4) Rinse and repeat with the OpenOffice.org site

> 
> The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the current CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with the many languages of the site etc. to render the static content.

We’ll figure that out.

If someone wants to redesign the site we can work through it in parallel.
> 
> * How long will svn continue to function for both www.openoffice.org and openoffice.apache.org?

The CMS is fragile and if it falls down it could become a blocking issue. Infra will warm is if things are immanent. I did discuss our migration briefly with an infra person at ACNA19.

> 
> * It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning on www.openoffice.org before migration
> 
> I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is quite large. I could certainly help in about a month with the "housecleaning" aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn accessible for a while. But I'm assuming we might want archives of both even before that. Yes?

Tag the SVN repository before starting its cleanup. Feel free to keep a local copy.

I recommend doing cleanup on a local copy and checking in the results.

So, three parallel threads.

(1) Cleanup
(2) Redesign if needed.
(3) Move to git and away from CMS

Regards,
Dave

> 
> -- MzK
> 
> 
> 
>> On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> 
>> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>> 
>> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
>> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>> 
>> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would love to
>> see George delivering something, so we can review committer status in
>> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on our door.)
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> All the Best
>> 
>> Peter
>> 
>> 
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Re: [status] Static webside migration

Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
Hi --

The last item I saw on this topic was this one concerning the new CMS

https://www.mail-archive.com/dev@openoffice.apache.org/msg36504.html

and I recall you mentioning at one point that it was desirable to do 
some housecleaning on the www.openoffice.org web site due to size and no 
longer pertinent information.

Some questions at this point --

* was a new "CMS" chosen? If so what is it and where can we find 
additional information?

The current site, as Dave pointed out earlier, uses a lot of the current 
CMS capabilities in terms of page rendering, dealing with the many 
languages of the site etc. to render the static content.

* How long will svn continue to function for both www.openoffice.org and 
openoffice.apache.org?

* It seems it would be advantageous to do a LOT of housecleaning on 
www.openoffice.org before migration

I don't have ANY ideas about archiving www.openoffice.org. It is quite 
large. I could certainly help in about a month with the "housecleaning" 
aspect of both sites assuming they remain svn accessible for a while. 
But I'm assuming we might want archives of both even before that. Yes?

-- MzK



On 9/19/19 10:01 PM, Peter Kovacs wrote:
> Hello all,
>
>
> Can everyone interested in this topic give a short status?
>
> Short ping on the current availability. And list any impediments or
> difficulties that he currently sees where others can help with.
>
> I would very much like to see this take some drive. And I would love to
> see George delivering something, so we can review committer status in
> the near future. (As I do with any other volunteer knocking on our door.)
>
>
> Thanks
>
> All the Best
>
> Peter
>
>
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