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[Fwd: gPhoenix To Change Name (fwd)]
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Re: [Fwd: gPhoenix To Change Name (fwd)]
Posted by Leif Mortenson <le...@tanukisoftware.com>.
Berin Loritsch wrote:
>Also, anyone using "Avalon" or any names from Arthurian legend
>as part of a company name or product name has to live with
>the fact that it is very common, and nearly impossible to
>protect from trademark infringement.
>
You mean common words like "Windows"? :-)
Unless Apache pays to have names registered, then any name will be in
danger.
We have been using Avalon and Cocoon for a long time and so we should in
theory
fall under prior art... But until we are threatened with legal action
and asked to
change it, any new name does not seem like it would be any safer.
Leif
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RE: [Fwd: gPhoenix To Change Name (fwd)]
Posted by Berin Loritsch <bl...@citi-us.com>.
> From: Leo Sutic [mailto:leo.sutic@inspireinfrastructure.com]
>
> I think all this was discussed at Cocoon-dev a while ago
> when Sony launched a video recorder (or something) called
> Cocoon.
>
> Can't for the life of me remember what the conclusion was,
> though.
Conclusion:
Video recorder is "Sony Cocoon" (by the sales flyers and
everything), and what we have here is "Apache Cocoon".
There is no conflict.
Also, anyone using "Avalon" or any names from Arthurian legend
as part of a company name or product name has to live with
the fact that it is very common, and nearly impossible to
protect from trademark infringement.
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RE: [Fwd: gPhoenix To Change Name (fwd)]
Posted by Leo Sutic <le...@inspireinfrastructure.com>.
I think all this was discussed at Cocoon-dev a while ago
when Sony launched a video recorder (or something) called
Cocoon.
Can't for the life of me remember what the conclusion was,
though.
/LS
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Re: [Fwd: gPhoenix To Change Name (fwd)]
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Paul Hammant wrote:
> Nicola,
>
> 'prior art' will allow us to use Avalon if MS try protect their new
> namespace.
>
> 'xdocs' is under attack by MS too.
Yeah, that too, good you mentioned it now too.
So it's Avalon, xdocs, Phoenix... *ugh*
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Re: [Fwd: gPhoenix To Change Name (fwd)]
Posted by Paul Hammant <Pa...@yahoo.com>.
Nicola,
'prior art' will allow us to use Avalon if MS try protect their new
namespace.
'xdocs' is under attack by MS too.
- Paul
>
>
> Paul Hammant wrote:
>
>> Stefano,
>>
>> We have been trying to brand as "Avalon-Phoenix" for some time. Why?
>> people (not wthshtinding recent events) get confused between Avalon
>> and its sub projects (framework, logkit, excalibur, phoenix etc). At
>> various times in the last eight months you'll have found me picking
>> people up on naming in the mail list...
>
>
> Yes, I've seen it.
>
> But now there is probably a worse problem: Avalon itself.
>
> http://www.customize.org/news/570
> "Microsoft has replaced the standard Display Properties with a
> complete XML-based configuration panel that uses a new API framework
> named Avalon."
>
> I've read this in other places too, but funny enough I read it 5
> minutes after your post.
>
> For now, I'm +1 to call it Avalon-Phoenix, the fullname of which is
> Apache Avalon-Phoenix.
>
> This problem will probably be less present in the future, with the new
> easy-to-understand-and-not-too-fancy names.
>
>
>>>
>>>
>>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>
>>> Subject:
>>> gPhoenix To Change Name (fwd)
>>> From:
>>> Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>
>>> Date:
>>> Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:51:57 -0800 (PST)
>>> To:
>>> stefano@apache.org
>>>
>>>
>>> maybe worry about avalon?
>>>
>>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>>> Date: 28 Nov 2002 15:26:04 -0000
>>> From: brian-slashdotnews@hyperreal.org
>>> To: slashdotnews@hyperreal.org
>>> Subject: Phoenix To Change Name
>>>
>>> Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/28/1246238
>>> Posted by: Hemos, on 2002-11-28 14:46:13
>>> Topic: mozilla, 83 comments
>>>
>>> from the way-up-in-the-sky-where-the-little-birds-play dept.
>>> [1]e8johan writes "Phoenix, the Mozilla-based web browser, is forced
>>> to change name. The new name has not yet been decided, but it is
>>> being
>>> [2]discussed . The reason is that the BIOS manufacturer [3]Phoenix
>>> Technologies dislikes the trademark infrigment. Next week version 0.5
>>> will be released, with a new name."
>>>
>>> [4]Click Here
>>>
>>> References
>>>
>>> 1. http://www.etek.chalmers.se/~e8johan
>>> 2. http://www.mozillazine.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=291
>>> 3. http://www.phoenix.com/
>>> 4. http://images.slashdot.org/cgi-bin/adlog.pl?article,scfg0015en
>>>
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Re: [Fwd: gPhoenix To Change Name (fwd)]
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Paul Hammant wrote:
> Stefano,
>
> We have been trying to brand as "Avalon-Phoenix" for some time. Why?
> people (not wthshtinding recent events) get confused between Avalon and
> its sub projects (framework, logkit, excalibur, phoenix etc). At
> various times in the last eight months you'll have found me picking
> people up on naming in the mail list...
Yes, I've seen it.
But now there is probably a worse problem: Avalon itself.
http://www.customize.org/news/570
"Microsoft has replaced the standard Display Properties with a complete
XML-based configuration panel that uses a new API framework named Avalon."
I've read this in other places too, but funny enough I read it 5 minutes
after your post.
For now, I'm +1 to call it Avalon-Phoenix, the fullname of which is
Apache Avalon-Phoenix.
This problem will probably be less present in the future, with the new
easy-to-understand-and-not-too-fancy names.
>>
>>
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>>
>> Subject:
>> gPhoenix To Change Name (fwd)
>> From:
>> Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>
>> Date:
>> Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:51:57 -0800 (PST)
>> To:
>> stefano@apache.org
>>
>>
>> maybe worry about avalon?
>>
>> ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> Date: 28 Nov 2002 15:26:04 -0000
>> From: brian-slashdotnews@hyperreal.org
>> To: slashdotnews@hyperreal.org
>> Subject: Phoenix To Change Name
>>
>> Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/28/1246238
>> Posted by: Hemos, on 2002-11-28 14:46:13
>> Topic: mozilla, 83 comments
>>
>> from the way-up-in-the-sky-where-the-little-birds-play dept.
>> [1]e8johan writes "Phoenix, the Mozilla-based web browser, is forced
>> to change name. The new name has not yet been decided, but it is being
>> [2]discussed . The reason is that the BIOS manufacturer [3]Phoenix
>> Technologies dislikes the trademark infrigment. Next week version 0.5
>> will be released, with a new name."
>>
>> [4]Click Here
>>
>> References
>>
>> 1. http://www.etek.chalmers.se/~e8johan
>> 2. http://www.mozillazine.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=291
>> 3. http://www.phoenix.com/
>> 4. http://images.slashdot.org/cgi-bin/adlog.pl?article,scfg0015en
>>
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Re: [Fwd: gPhoenix To Change Name (fwd)]
Posted by Paul Hammant <Pa...@yahoo.com>.
Stefano,
We have been trying to brand as "Avalon-Phoenix" for some time. Why?
people (not wthshtinding recent events) get confused between Avalon and
its sub projects (framework, logkit, excalibur, phoenix etc). At
various times in the last eight months you'll have found me picking
people up on naming in the mail list...
- Paul
>
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
> Subject:
> gPhoenix To Change Name (fwd)
> From:
> Jon Stevens <jo...@latchkey.com>
> Date:
> Fri, 29 Nov 2002 01:51:57 -0800 (PST)
> To:
> stefano@apache.org
>
>
>maybe worry about avalon?
>
>---------- Forwarded message ----------
>Date: 28 Nov 2002 15:26:04 -0000
>From: brian-slashdotnews@hyperreal.org
>To: slashdotnews@hyperreal.org
>Subject: Phoenix To Change Name
>
>Link: http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=02/11/28/1246238
>Posted by: Hemos, on 2002-11-28 14:46:13
>Topic: mozilla, 83 comments
>
> from the way-up-in-the-sky-where-the-little-birds-play dept.
> [1]e8johan writes "Phoenix, the Mozilla-based web browser, is forced
> to change name. The new name has not yet been decided, but it is being
> [2]discussed . The reason is that the BIOS manufacturer [3]Phoenix
> Technologies dislikes the trademark infrigment. Next week version 0.5
> will be released, with a new name."
>
> [4]Click Here
>
>References
>
> 1. http://www.etek.chalmers.se/~e8johan
> 2. http://www.mozillazine.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=291
> 3. http://www.phoenix.com/
> 4. http://images.slashdot.org/cgi-bin/adlog.pl?article,scfg0015en
>
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