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Posted to docs@cocoon.apache.org by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au> on 2002/07/04 11:10:04 UTC
deny postings from non-subscribers
Does anyone know if this cocoon-docs mail list has been
configured to deny postings from people who are not yet
subscribed?
I ask this for two reasons:
We do not want spammers to discover the existence of
the list and find that they can get through.
We do not want people on other lists to simply send a Cc
to this list and think that we will just happily deal
with every doc-related issue without their involvement.
--David
Re: deny postings from non-subscribers
Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
David Crossley wrote:
...
> The cocoon/mail-lists.html says that both cocoon-users and
> cocoon-dev are moderated for the first posting. I think that
> is probably why we see little spam there. If a list gets known
> as a spam target, then it will make the moderator's job hard.
>
> Yes, there is talk at the moment on the 'infrastructure' list
> about SpamAssassin. This seems to be a new thing. I reckon
> that the moderators have saved us from spam in the past.
I'm the moderator of this list, the anti-spam knight! ;-)
If you have an address not on this list just send a mail, and see what
happens...
--
Nicola Ken Barozzi nicolaken@apache.org
- verba volant, scripta manent -
(discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: deny postings from non-subscribers
Posted by David Crossley <cr...@indexgeo.com.au>.
Christian Haul wrote:
> David Crossley wrote:
> > Does anyone know if this cocoon-docs mail list has been
> > configured to deny postings from people who are not yet
> > subscribed?
>
> Many people find this rather inconvenient. If you receive mail through
> a number of addresses and use different ISPs, you end up registering
> all your addresses or -- worse -- just don't post.
We certainly do not want to make it difficult for anyone
to post. Maybe it is the first postings that we need to vet,
rather than non-subscribers.
I am not sure what the Apache procedures are. Perhaps these
issues are already taken care of.
> > I ask this for two reasons:
> >
> > We do not want spammers to discover the existence of
> > the list and find that they can get through.
>
> IIRC apache lists use spam filters, judging from cocoon-dev
> they work quite well.
We recently saw spammers hit various Apache lists. It turned
out that xml-commons was letting spam through to start with.
It was fixed. I still think that it is necessary to have
front-line defence.
The cocoon/mail-lists.html says that both cocoon-users and
cocoon-dev are moderated for the first posting. I think that
is probably why we see little spam there. If a list gets known
as a spam target, then it will make the moderator's job hard.
Yes, there is talk at the moment on the 'infrastructure' list
about SpamAssassin. This seems to be a new thing. I reckon
that the moderators have saved us from spam in the past.
> > We do not want people on other lists to simply send a Cc
> > to this list and think that we will just happily deal
> > with every doc-related issue without their involvement.
>
> So? Someone spending hours writing one how-to or writing a long and
> good reply to a cocoon-users question, covering the whole topic, may
> not send it in? She / he needs to subscribe to cocoon-docs first?
> That's not really "open", is it.
I thought that with most lists you cannot post if you
are not subscribed.
> Anyway, this can still be done *if* it turns out to be such a mess.
Perhaps i worry un-necessarily, but i can see the potential
for people to leave it up to the "documentation team".
Just send them a Cc and they can deal with it.
--David
> Chris.
>
> --
> C h r i s t i a n H a u l
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Re: deny postings from non-subscribers
Posted by Christian Haul <ha...@dvs1.informatik.tu-darmstadt.de>.
On 04.Jul.2002 -- 07:10 PM, David Crossley wrote:
> Does anyone know if this cocoon-docs mail list has been
> configured to deny postings from people who are not yet
> subscribed?
Many people find this rather inconvenient. If you receive mail through
a number of addresses and use different ISPs, you end up registering
all your addresses or -- worse -- just don't post.
> I ask this for two reasons:
>
> We do not want spammers to discover the existence of
> the list and find that they can get through.
IIRC apache lists use spam filters, judging from cocoon-dev they work
quite well.
> We do not want people on other lists to simply send a Cc
> to this list and think that we will just happily deal
> with every doc-related issue without their involvement.
So? Someone spending hours writing one how-to or writing a long and
good reply to a cocoon-users question, covering the whole topic, may
not send it in? She / he needs to subscribe to cocoon-docs first?
That's not really "open", is it.
Anyway, this can still be done *if* it turns out to be such a mess.
Chris.
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C h r i s t i a n H a u l
haul@informatik.tu-darmstadt.de
fingerprint: 99B0 1D9D 7919 644A 4837 7D73 FEF9 6856 335A 9E08