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Problems auto correct writer
I've recently found myself needing to a more advance text processor
then notepad, so I've turn to your open office writer. However I find
myself unable to use for one main reason. The auto correct function. I
can't seem to fully turn it off. I've gone to "extra -> options for
auto correct", and turned ever option off. I've looked through every
setting I could find to find more things to turn off, but it keeps
changing things. I found a remark online suggesting the "makeup/layout
-> autocorrect -> during input" option would turn it on and off, but
it doesn't matter if it's checked or unchecked it keeps meddling with
what I type. This mainly manifests itself in trying to remove 0's in
numbers, dates and trying to make summeries wen I don't want it or
modifying the ones I make myself.
Could you please tell him how to turn every possible, every last,
every single one function of the auto correct off. Forever.
What is the point of using writer for it's more advanced layout
options, wen I don't have full control over it? I want to be able to
type and do whatever I want. Type in any number, any word or sentence
even bash my head randomly on the keyboard without the program trying
to dictate its idea of writing and layout to me. The only option that
is useful is having the program underline spelling mistakes and
correcting them when I ask for it and that part works fine. The rest
is down right terrible and prevents me from properly using the
program.
(I have might have gotten some of the menu terms a bit wrong as I've
translated from a Dutch version of the program.)
I'd appreciate a quick, detailed and useful response.
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of
the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Dan Lewis <el...@gmail.com>.
On 06/26/2015 12:08 AM, Jim McLaughlin wrote:
> "It's only money."
>
> You couldn't be more wrong.
>
> With OO 4.1.1 there is no money involved.
>
> What is involved is how I choose to employ my time.
>
> And with me, and apparently a lot of other people, learning the "styles"
> silliness is not worthwhile.
Please do not make statements that you can not backup with proof.
It is highly unlikely that you know the ratio of people who do not use
styles to those that do. Also, mentioning "silliness" has nothing to do
with the topic except in your head. In reality, what one person calls
"silliness" would not be what another person would call it.
It seems to me that you made a very good point: how people choose
to employ their time. Regardless of what word processor a person chooses
to use, it takes time to learn how to use it so that the final document
is what he wants. This is an excellent use of his time and effort. Not
to do this would be silliness.
Yes, using AOO without learning how to use styles is silliness. So
is using MS Word without learning how to use its "ribbons". So is using
Word Perfect without learning to use its strong points. Yet, the
opposite is also true: using AOO with styles in not silliness; using MS
Word with "ribbons" is not silliness; and using Word Perfect with its
strong points is not silliness. So, please do not "put down" anyone who
is doing well with what they have learned just because it is different
from what you would do.
Dan
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org>
> wrote:
>
>> On 6/25/2015 11:02 AM, Doug wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:
>>>
>>>> On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
>>>>
>>> /snip/
>>>
>>>> I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would
>>>> find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I
>>>> struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made
>>>> the time to learn how to use them.
>>>>
>>>> Dale Erwin
>>>>
>>> Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a "free" word
>>> processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly.
>>>
>>> --doug
>>>
>> Well, no software will give you service if you aren't willing to take the
>> time to learn how to use it. It's only money.
>>
>> Dale Erwin
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
"Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Jim McLaughlin <jj...@gmail.com>.
"It's only money."
You couldn't be more wrong.
With OO 4.1.1 there is no money involved.
What is involved is how I choose to employ my time.
And with me, and apparently a lot of other people, learning the "styles"
silliness is not worthwhile.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 8:54 PM, Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org>
wrote:
> On 6/25/2015 11:02 AM, Doug wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:
>>
>>> On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
>>>
>> /snip/
>>
>>> I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would
>>> find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I
>>> struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made
>>> the time to learn how to use them.
>>>
>>> Dale Erwin
>>>
>>
>> Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a "free" word
>> processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly.
>>
>> --doug
>>
>
> Well, no software will give you service if you aren't willing to take the
> time to learn how to use it. It's only money.
>
> Dale Erwin
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
"Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org>.
On 6/25/2015 11:02 AM, Doug wrote:
>
>
> On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:
>> On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
> /snip/
>> I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you
>> would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not
>> moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally
>> broke down and made the time to learn how to use them.
>>
>> Dale Erwin
>
> Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a "free" word
> processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly.
>
> --doug
Well, no software will give you service if you aren't willing to take
the time to learn how to use it. It's only money.
Dale Erwin
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
"Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org>.
On 6/25/2015 8:53 PM, Joe Conner wrote:
> It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of
> the various styles in the standard install. The names are available,
> but sometimes they are not very informative. I would like less of the
> trial and experiment and more of an intelligent choice when it comes
> to choosing a style.
>
> Blessings, Joe
If you go to the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting, you can
examine all of the styles or create new ones. Simply right click on a
style and select either Modify (to examine it or even change it) or New
(to create a new one).
Dale Erwin
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of
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Posted by toki <to...@gmail.com>.
On 06/26/2015 01:53 AM, Joe Conner wrote:
> It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of the
> various styles in the standard install.
Is this what you are looking for:
Paragraph Styles
Name: Default
Font: Times New Roman
Font Size: 12 point
Font Weight: normal
Font Colour: black
Indentation: 0
Justification: ragged right
Line spacing: single
Style Relationship: This is the basic style. All other styles use this
as their original parameters.
Used for: This style is suitable for large blocks of text. If all you
want to do, is write text, and forget about either semantic markup, or
presentation markup, use this style.
Name: next font, blah, blah, blah.
jonathon
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of
the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 18:53:32 -0700
Joe Conner <jo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of the
> various styles in the standard install. The names are available, but
> sometimes they are not very informative. I would like less of the trial
> and experiment and more of an intelligent choice when it comes to
> choosing a style.
>
> Blessings, Joe
A list of and description of the styles is given at
https://forum.openoffice.org/en/forum/viewtopic.php?f=71&t=48530
RoryOF
>
> On 6/25/2015 9:02 AM, Doug wrote:
> >
> >
> > On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:
> >> On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
> > /snip/
> >> I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you
> >> would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not
> >> moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally
> >> broke down and made the time to learn how to use them.
> >>
> >> Dale Erwin
> >
> > Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a "free" word
> > processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly.
> >
> > --doug
> >
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of
the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Joe Conner <jo...@gmail.com>.
It would be useful to have a definition/characterization of each of the
various styles in the standard install. The names are available, but
sometimes they are not very informative. I would like less of the trial
and experiment and more of an intelligent choice when it comes to
choosing a style.
Blessings, Joe
On 6/25/2015 9:02 AM, Doug wrote:
>
>
> On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:
>> On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
> /snip/
>> I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you
>> would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not
>> moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally
>> broke down and made the time to learn how to use them.
>>
>> Dale Erwin
>
> Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a "free" word
> processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly.
>
> --doug
>
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of
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Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 09:56:27 -0700
William and Michele Suepke <wo...@thesuepkes.com> wrote:
> Hi Johnny,
>
> You mentioned LibreOffice and OpenOffice. I have been using LibroOffice
> but now you have interested me into looking into OpenOffice. What do you
> see as good points?
> Bill
It is extremely stable for my work, so stable that I haven't had to look further. From reports, LibreOffice's most recent releases will be slightly less stable although perhaps offering more features, features that don't matter to me. There are also slight cosmetic differences which I didn't care for. But all things considered, there is little effective difference.
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> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Johnny Rosenberg <gu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > 2015-06-25 18:02 GMT+02:00 Doug <dm...@optonline.net>:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
> > >>
> > > /snip/
> > >
> > >> I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would
> > >> find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I
> > >> struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and
> > made
> > >> the time to learn how to use them.
> > >>
> > >> Dale Erwin
> > >>
> > >
> > > Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a "free" word
> > > processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly.
> >
> >
> > What price? Styles are easy to learn.
> >
> > However, it seems to me that the OP is talking about auto correction rather
> > than styles, but maybe I'm just wrong about that.
> >
> > And finally another thing: To me, the fact that Apache OpenOffice is free
> > is not that important. It's actually the only office thing I can use.
> > Others either can't be installed on my operating system (for instance MS
> > Office) or they are just plain crap (such as LibreOffice). So MS Office may
> > be 100 times better, but I can still not use it anyway, so it's kind of
> > disqualified in my case. I don't know much about MS Office these days, but
> > last time I used it, I think it was the 2003 version (I had another
> > operating system back then), I couldn't make it do what I wanted. Nothing
> > fancy, but it was very easy to do with OpenOffice.org.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Johnny Rosenberg
> > ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --doug
> > >
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
"Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Johnny Rosenberg <gu...@gmail.com>.
2015-06-26 17:48 GMT+02:00 James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>:
> On 06/26/2015 11:45 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
> > Apache OpenOffice is not bug free of course, but so far it didn't destroy
> > any of my files.
>
> We can fix that. ;-)
>
Thanks… :P
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf
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Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
On 06/26/2015 11:45 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
> Apache OpenOffice is not bug free of course, but so far it didn't destroy
> any of my files.
We can fix that. ;-)
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
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Posted by Johnny Rosenberg <gu...@gmail.com>.
2015-06-25 18:56 GMT+02:00 William and Michele Suepke <
worryless@thesuepkes.com>:
> Hi Johnny,
>
> You mentioned LibreOffice and OpenOffice. I have been using LibroOffice
> but now you have interested me into looking into OpenOffice. What do you
> see as good points?
> Bill
>
LibreOffice has some nice features that Apache OpenOffice lacks, but
LibreOffice has some crazy bugs that seems to only affect me (I never see
anyone else complaining)… Several times LibreOffice destroyed spreadsheets
and I had to use Apache OpenOffice to restore it again. I think there also
was one time when not even Apache OpenOffice could restore it. Fortunately
I take backups every day, so at least I don't have to make those
spreadsheets from scratch every time…
Apache OpenOffice is not bug free of course, but so far it didn't destroy
any of my files.
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> On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Johnny Rosenberg <gu...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> > 2015-06-25 18:02 GMT+02:00 Doug <dm...@optonline.net>:
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:
> > >
> > >> On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
> > >>
> > > /snip/
> > >
> > >> I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you
> would
> > >> find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I
> > >> struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and
> > made
> > >> the time to learn how to use them.
> > >>
> > >> Dale Erwin
> > >>
> > >
> > > Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a "free" word
> > > processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly.
> >
> >
> > What price? Styles are easy to learn.
> >
> > However, it seems to me that the OP is talking about auto correction
> rather
> > than styles, but maybe I'm just wrong about that.
> >
> > And finally another thing: To me, the fact that Apache OpenOffice is free
> > is not that important. It's actually the only office thing I can use.
> > Others either can't be installed on my operating system (for instance MS
> > Office) or they are just plain crap (such as LibreOffice). So MS Office
> may
> > be 100 times better, but I can still not use it anyway, so it's kind of
> > disqualified in my case. I don't know much about MS Office these days,
> but
> > last time I used it, I think it was the 2003 version (I had another
> > operating system back then), I couldn't make it do what I wanted. Nothing
> > fancy, but it was very easy to do with OpenOffice.org.
> >
> >
> >
> > Kind regards
> >
> > Johnny Rosenberg
> > ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
> >
> >
> >
> > >
> > >
> > > --doug
> > >
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
"Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by William and Michele Suepke <wo...@thesuepkes.com>.
Hi Johnny,
You mentioned LibreOffice and OpenOffice. I have been using LibroOffice
but now you have interested me into looking into OpenOffice. What do you
see as good points?
Bill
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On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 9:20 AM, Johnny Rosenberg <gu...@gmail.com>
wrote:
> 2015-06-25 18:02 GMT+02:00 Doug <dm...@optonline.net>:
>
> >
> >
> > On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:
> >
> >> On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
> >>
> > /snip/
> >
> >> I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would
> >> find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I
> >> struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and
> made
> >> the time to learn how to use them.
> >>
> >> Dale Erwin
> >>
> >
> > Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a "free" word
> > processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly.
>
>
> What price? Styles are easy to learn.
>
> However, it seems to me that the OP is talking about auto correction rather
> than styles, but maybe I'm just wrong about that.
>
> And finally another thing: To me, the fact that Apache OpenOffice is free
> is not that important. It's actually the only office thing I can use.
> Others either can't be installed on my operating system (for instance MS
> Office) or they are just plain crap (such as LibreOffice). So MS Office may
> be 100 times better, but I can still not use it anyway, so it's kind of
> disqualified in my case. I don't know much about MS Office these days, but
> last time I used it, I think it was the 2003 version (I had another
> operating system back then), I couldn't make it do what I wanted. Nothing
> fancy, but it was very easy to do with OpenOffice.org.
>
>
>
> Kind regards
>
> Johnny Rosenberg
> ジョニー・ローゼンバーグ
>
>
>
> >
> >
> > --doug
> >
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
"Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Johnny Rosenberg <gu...@gmail.com>.
2015-06-25 18:02 GMT+02:00 Doug <dm...@optonline.net>:
>
>
> On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:
>
>> On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
>>
> /snip/
>
>> I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would
>> find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I
>> struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made
>> the time to learn how to use them.
>>
>> Dale Erwin
>>
>
> Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a "free" word
> processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly.
What price? Styles are easy to learn.
However, it seems to me that the OP is talking about auto correction rather
than styles, but maybe I'm just wrong about that.
And finally another thing: To me, the fact that Apache OpenOffice is free
is not that important. It's actually the only office thing I can use.
Others either can't be installed on my operating system (for instance MS
Office) or they are just plain crap (such as LibreOffice). So MS Office may
be 100 times better, but I can still not use it anyway, so it's kind of
disqualified in my case. I don't know much about MS Office these days, but
last time I used it, I think it was the 2003 version (I had another
operating system back then), I couldn't make it do what I wanted. Nothing
fancy, but it was very easy to do with OpenOffice.org.
Kind regards
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
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Posted by Doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 06/25/2015 02:10 AM, Dale Erwin wrote:
> On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
/snip/
> I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them.
>
> Dale Erwin
Learning to use styles is too high a price to pay for a "free" word processor. I'd rather pay money and get something user-friendly.
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Posted by Rory O'Farrell <of...@iol.ie>.
On Thu, 25 Jun 2015 13:05:32 -0400
Julian Thomas <jt...@jt-mj.net> wrote:
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> > On Jun 25, 2015, at 02:10, Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org> wrote:
> >
> > I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them.
>
> I would love to learn to use styles; unfortunately there are no books for OO 4, and the tutorials are not much help. Has anyone written a good introductory 'how to' guide?
Any of the OO 3 books are OK for teaching about Styles.
Try also
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/UserGuide/Writer/Styles
http://openoffice.blogs.com/openoffice/2005/12/all_about_style.html
Anything on Open-/Libre-Office by Jean Hollis Weber or Solveig Haugland will be sound, clear and most helpful.
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Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
On 06/25/2015 01:05 PM, Julian Thomas wrote:
> I would love to learn to use styles; unfortunately there are no books for OO 4, and the tutorials are not much help. Has anyone written a good introductory 'how to' guide?
>
While it's a bit dated, there's "OpenOffice.org 2 Guidebook", by Solveig
Haugland. It has a 30 page chapter on styles.
http://www.amazon.com/The-OpenOffice-org-Guidebook-Solveig-Haugland/dp/0974312029
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> On Jun 25, 2015, at 02:10, Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org> wrote:
>
> I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them.
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Posted by Martin Groenescheij <ma...@groenescheij.com>.
Sent from my mobile device.
> On 25 Jun 2015, at 8:10 am, Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org> wrote:
>
>> On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
>> As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for Microsoft Word. While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the proverbial "free lunch," I don't expect to get one. However, I found I can get MS Word to give me the text I want to type almost always. But when I use Writer, I keep getting something I have to constantly diddle with to get it to appear in the form I want. And, if I want something fancier than simple text, I can get that too with MS Word. I'd like Writer fine if only I could sit down at my computer & prepare a document using it without constantly undoing all the things built into Writer that I've never figured out how to turn off or to modify. Of course I had to pay a somewhat steep price to get a WP that served my needs, but my time is valuable to me too, so the ease of use & the reliability of MS Word seems well worth the cost in the long run.
>
> I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and made the time to learn how to use them.
>
> Dale Erwin
>
And if you don't use styles you can create the same mess as with MS Word, they benefit of styles is that others can easily update your document without manually reformat everything.
So, if you the only one working on the document and don't need to change it afterwards use the default style, otherwise learning styles will benefit on the long term.
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Re: OO Styles - trying to get up to speed!
Posted by Julian Thomas <jt...@jt-mj.net>.
I have a template using styles for Impress for white text on a black background, with the font face and sizes of my choice.
I added a hyperlink and had to manually change the color so that it would show up on the black background. How do I define a style for this?
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Re: OO Styles - trying to get up to speed!
Posted by Julian Thomas <jt...@jt-mj.net>.
> On Jun 27, 2015, at 05:45, Johnny Rosenberg <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Create a template that looks like you want as a starting point whenever you
> open the application (Impress in your case). Make sure all the styles you
> need are there, otherwise create them.
> Save the template. An easy way to do that is Shift+F11.
> Now (I'm doing this in Calc, I think the procedure is the same for
> Impress): File → Template → Organise… → Double click ”My templates” → Right
> click the template you want to use as the default template → Define as
> default template → Close.
> I think there are other ways to do it as well.
thanks for the excellent help. I'm off and running [well, maybe trotting?]!
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Re: OO Styles - trying to get up to speed!
Posted by Johnny Rosenberg <gu...@gmail.com>.
2015-06-27 4:22 GMT+02:00 Julian Thomas <jt...@jt-mj.net>:
>
> > On Jun 26, 2015, at 00:58, Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org> wrote:
> >
> > You can also create a template containing any special collection of
> styles you wish. Then, each time you create a document from that template
> it will have those styles assigned to it. If you do not use a template to
> create a new document, then that new document will only have access to the
> system styles. Any styles you create in one document will not be available
> in another document unless it is done by way of a template.
>
> As of yet, I don't seem to know how to associate a style with a template.
>
When you save as a template (Shift+F11), all your styles are saved with it.
So first modify or create your styles, then save as template. The template
will also include all your contents, so if you want to create a new
template from an existing document, you need to remove everything that you
don't want in your template. Just don't forget to undo or quit without
saving, otherwise you will lose your contents…
> >
> > To assign a particular style to a page, give that page the focus, go to
> the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting. Usually this opens a
> dialog with Paragraph styles selected, but just click on Page Styles at the
> top of the box and then double click the style you wish to assign.
>
> Again, not clear how I build a library of styles.
>
> I created an impress file today, and modified the style to change
> background & foreground color, and fontface/size. That worked nicely for me
> - thanks. How do I make this a default for impress, or have this and one
> or a few others as options for a new impress file?
>
Create a template that looks like you want as a starting point whenever you
open the application (Impress in your case). Make sure all the styles you
need are there, otherwise create them.
Save the template. An easy way to do that is Shift+F11.
Now (I'm doing this in Calc, I think the procedure is the same for
Impress): File → Template → Organise… → Double click ”My templates” → Right
click the template you want to use as the default template → Define as
default template → Close.
I think there are other ways to do it as well.
>
> I'm used to styles in the context of CSS for websites, where a style file
> is referenced explicitly in the page file header. That model doesn't seem
> to fit well here.
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Posted by Julian Thomas <jt...@jt-mj.net>.
> On Jun 26, 2015, at 00:58, Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org> wrote:
>
> You can also create a template containing any special collection of styles you wish. Then, each time you create a document from that template it will have those styles assigned to it. If you do not use a template to create a new document, then that new document will only have access to the system styles. Any styles you create in one document will not be available in another document unless it is done by way of a template.
As of yet, I don't seem to know how to associate a style with a template.
>
> To assign a particular style to a page, give that page the focus, go to the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting. Usually this opens a dialog with Paragraph styles selected, but just click on Page Styles at the top of the box and then double click the style you wish to assign.
Again, not clear how I build a library of styles.
I created an impress file today, and modified the style to change background & foreground color, and fontface/size. That worked nicely for me - thanks. How do I make this a default for impress, or have this and one or a few others as options for a new impress file?
I'm used to styles in the context of CSS for websites, where a style file is referenced explicitly in the page file header. That model doesn't seem to fit well here.
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Posted by James Plante <ji...@me.com>.
Assigning “a” style to a document makes sense only if it’s a one-page document, and doesn’t have any complexity at all: Just straight text.
As a real estate appraiser, I produce 200+ page reports that contain may page styles:
—Title page, with 0.25" margins, no header/footer, no page number, next page Cover Letter
-Cover letter first, with business letter margins, no header/footer, next page Cover Letter More
-Cover letter more, (depends on Cover Letter First, inheriting its margins), header with client/report ID, footer with page number. (N.B.: Client/report ID and page number ARE NOT part of the page style.) next page Cover Letter More.
—Front matter Right, Report margins 1.5” left, 1” right, 1/2” top/bottom, Header for Client/Report ID, Footer for page#, page numbering starts at 1, page numbering in small roman numerals (i, ii, iii, etc.), next page Front Matter Right.
—Front Matter Left, mirrors Front Matter Right, but the wider margin is on the opposite side.
-Left Page, Report margins, header, footer, page numbering starts at 1, arabic numbering, next page Right Page
-Right Page, same as left page,
…and so on.
I had a vexing problem trying to include a footer comment that said “Page x of y pages.” The x part is the built-in Page number variable. You’d think that using the Page Count variable would give the desired results, but that sucker counts everything: Title Page, cover letter, front matter, table of contents, the report, and the addenda. So the y part took a bit of finagling: Create the last page of your report/document. Set a cross-reference on it that will migrate to the bottom as you type in the report; name it something like “lastOne.” Then “insert cross reference” for the y part. Now your footer text reads “Page 38 of 89.” As an example, when I add a map on page 38, photos on page 39, and explanatory text on page 40, the footer now reads “Page 40 of 92.”
That collection of styles is saved under a template (.OXT file) that contains them all. In addition, the template contains all the paragraph, frame, graphics, and character styles.
That report template is for a single type of appraisal report; I have two main types that see regular use, and I’ve built several more that see infrequent use. These are tedious to set up, but I consider it a worthwhile use of time, since in the long run I seldom have to mess with formatting.
Maybe that example will make the use of styles a little clearer. Just to oversimplify further, this is a template. You do it once. You open the template whenever you do a new report, and save it under the report name as an .ODT file.
Jim
> On Jun 25, 2015, at 11:58 PM, Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org> wrote:
>
> On 6/25/2015 7:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
>> What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different "style," & you don't know its "style" until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists & inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating documents & written articles in many & varied formats. To address the responder of my initial posting, let me say: I've invested a lot of time in trying to become proficient in Writer "styles" w/o much success. Also, I bought every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted. What is more, when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document. I don't mind investing in computer programming technology that serves my needs. (For a "selfie" "aside," I started in the computer business in 1961, & was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer languages. So I know what it means to "invest" one's time & effort to acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I decided w/ Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, I decided to invest my time & energy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my previous experience, I chose to invest my time & energy in the so-called "tried & true"--in this case MS Word. My priority has always been on getting my work done efficiently, & not on learning to become proficient w/ any particular software product.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>
> If you have assigned a specific style to a document, you should know that. If you haven't assigned a specific style to it, it will use the "default" style. An exception to this could be if you begin a document by copying from an already existing document in which case it will inherit that existing document's styles. One document can use several different styles. While it can have only one page style, it can have several paragraph styles, etc. In Writer, the info box just to the left of the one containing the name of the font appears the name of the current paragraph style. If you haven't assigned one, it should say "Default".
>
> You can also create a template containing any special collection of styles you wish. Then, each time you create a document from that template it will have those styles assigned to it. If you do not use a template to create a new document, then that new document will only have access to the system styles. Any styles you create in one document will not be available in another document unless it is done by way of a template.
>
> To assign a particular style to a page, give that page the focus, go to the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting. Usually this opens a dialog with Paragraph styles selected, but just click on Page Styles at the top of the box and then double click the style you wish to assign. If you wish to create a new style for your page, right click on any of the styles listed and select "New" and change it to whatever parameters you wish to set. It will have inherited the parameters of the style you clicked on when you selected "New" but you can change them to whatever you like and give it a name.
>
> Now that's probably all you will need to get started learning about styles. As far as which parameters to set, many of them are intuitive.
>
> Dale Erwin
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
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Posted by Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org>.
On 6/25/2015 11:58 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:
> On 6/25/2015 7:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
>> What do you do if most every document you create with your word
>> processor (WP) is in a different "style," & you don't know its
>> "style" until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a
>> lot of specialized lists & inventories w/ my WP, in addition to
>> creating documents & written articles in many & varied formats. To
>> address the responder of my initial posting, let me say: I've
>> invested a lot of time in trying to become proficient in Writer
>> "styles" w/o much success. Also, I bought every reference I could
>> find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce
>> the documents I needed in the format I wanted. What is more, when I
>> was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found
>> the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built
>> into the Writer document. I don't mind investing in computer
>> programming technology that serves my needs. (For a "selfie"
>> "aside," I started in the computer business in 1961, & was, at
>> various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer languages. So I
>> know what it means to "invest" one's time & effort to acquire
>> proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I decided w/ Writer
>> that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, I
>> decided to invest my time & energy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my
>> previous experience, I chose to invest my time & energy in the
>> so-called "tried & true"--in this case MS Word. My priority has
>> always been on getting my work done efficiently, & not on learning to
>> become proficient w/ any particular software product.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>
> If you have assigned a specific style to a document, you should know
> that. If you haven't assigned a specific style to it, it will use the
> "default" style. An exception to this could be if you begin a
> document by copying from an already existing document in which case it
> will inherit that existing document's styles. One document can use
> several different styles. While it can have only one page style, it
> can have several paragraph styles, etc. In Writer, the info box just
> to the left of the one containing the name of the font appears the
> name of the current paragraph style. If you haven't assigned one, it
> should say "Default".
OK, that's not quite true. each page of a document can have a different
page style (though that's not likely), but each page can have multiple
paragraph styles. That's what I was trying to say.
> You can also create a template containing any special collection of
> styles you wish. Then, each time you create a document from that
> template it will have those styles assigned to it. If you do not use
> a template to create a new document, then that new document will only
> have access to the system styles. Any styles you create in one
> document will not be available in another document unless it is done
> by way of a template.
>
> To assign a particular style to a page, give that page the focus, go
> to the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting. Usually this
> opens a dialog with Paragraph styles selected, but just click on Page
> Styles at the top of the box and then double click the style you wish
> to assign. If you wish to create a new style for your page, right
> click on any of the styles listed and select "New" and change it to
> whatever parameters you wish to set. It will have inherited the
> parameters of the style you clicked on when you selected "New" but you
> can change them to whatever you like and give it a name.
>
> Now that's probably all you will need to get started learning about
> styles. As far as which parameters to set, many of them are intuitive.
>
> Dale Erwin
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Posted by Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org>.
On 6/25/2015 7:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
> What do you do if most every document you create with your word
> processor (WP) is in a different "style," & you don't know its "style"
> until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of
> specialized lists & inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating
> documents & written articles in many & varied formats. To address
> the responder of my initial posting, let me say: I've invested a lot
> of time in trying to become proficient in Writer "styles" w/o much
> success. Also, I bought every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but
> still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in
> the format I wanted. What is more, when I was required to re-edit a
> Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid
> all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document. I
> don't mind investing in computer programming technology that serves my
> needs. (For a "selfie" "aside," I started in the computer business
> in 1961, & was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer
> languages. So I know what it means to "invest" one's time & effort to
> acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I decided w/
> Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore,
> I decided to invest my time & energy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my
> previous experience, I chose to invest my time & energy in the
> so-called "tried & true"--in this case MS Word. My priority has
> always been on getting my work done efficiently, & not on learning to
> become proficient w/ any particular software product.
>
> Best wishes,
If you have assigned a specific style to a document, you should know
that. If you haven't assigned a specific style to it, it will use the
"default" style. An exception to this could be if you begin a document
by copying from an already existing document in which case it will
inherit that existing document's styles. One document can use several
different styles. While it can have only one page style, it can have
several paragraph styles, etc. In Writer, the info box just to the left
of the one containing the name of the font appears the name of the
current paragraph style. If you haven't assigned one, it should say
"Default".
You can also create a template containing any special collection of
styles you wish. Then, each time you create a document from that
template it will have those styles assigned to it. If you do not use a
template to create a new document, then that new document will only have
access to the system styles. Any styles you create in one document will
not be available in another document unless it is done by way of a template.
To assign a particular style to a page, give that page the focus, go to
the Format menu and select Styles and Formatting. Usually this opens a
dialog with Paragraph styles selected, but just click on Page Styles at
the top of the box and then double click the style you wish to assign.
If you wish to create a new style for your page, right click on any of
the styles listed and select "New" and change it to whatever parameters
you wish to set. It will have inherited the parameters of the style you
clicked on when you selected "New" but you can change them to whatever
you like and give it a name.
Now that's probably all you will need to get started learning about
styles. As far as which parameters to set, many of them are intuitive.
Dale Erwin
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
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Posted by Jim McLaughlin <jj...@gmail.com>.
Doug -
Thank you for the update re WordPerfect.
Being retired these last 12 years, a $ 200.00 version just makes o sense.,
though I (luckily) can afford it. Just makes no sense as I can't fully
deduct it as a business expense.
A $ 50.00 version sounds reasonable. I'll have to look in detail in to the
differences between the two versions. I do need a fully functional spread
sheet program integrated into the suite. No need for a presentation
program or a database anny more.
Again,, thank you for the tip.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 7:56 PM, Doug <dm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
> On 06/25/2015 08:57 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote:
>
>> Anthony -
>>
>> I'm with you. The whole "styles" approach is ridiculous.
>>
>> I still have a great fondness for Word Perfect. The "Reveal Codes"
>> function gave me total control. Even more so than Micro$loth Word.
>>
>> Sadly, for all practical purposes, Word Perfect is functionally dead.
>>
>
> WP just came out with a new version, that can read and write all the
> MS versions as well as its own. Standard edition is $200.
>
>
> http://www.wordperfect.com/us/product/office-suite/?promo=2968&gclid=CKTG_qSsrMYCFVg8gQodrLcB-Q
>
> However, "home and student" edition is $50!
>
>
> http://www.amazon.com/WordPerfect-Office-X7-Home-Student/dp/B00JC5Y6YA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435287173&sr=8-1&keywords=wordperfect+x7
>
> I haven't researched the difference, but I'm reasonably sure that you'd
> get at least the complete word processor for your 50 bucks.
>
> --doug
>
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"Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 06/25/2015 08:57 PM, Jim McLaughlin wrote:
> Anthony -
>
> I'm with you. The whole "styles" approach is ridiculous.
>
> I still have a great fondness for Word Perfect. The "Reveal Codes"
> function gave me total control. Even more so than Micro$loth Word.
>
> Sadly, for all practical purposes, Word Perfect is functionally dead.
WP just came out with a new version, that can read and write all the
MS versions as well as its own. Standard edition is $200.
http://www.wordperfect.com/us/product/office-suite/?promo=2968&gclid=CKTG_qSsrMYCFVg8gQodrLcB-Q
However, "home and student" edition is $50!
http://www.amazon.com/WordPerfect-Office-X7-Home-Student/dp/B00JC5Y6YA/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1435287173&sr=8-1&keywords=wordperfect+x7
I haven't researched the difference, but I'm reasonably sure that you'd get at least the complete word processor for your 50 bucks.
--doug
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
"Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Jim McLaughlin <jj...@gmail.com>.
Anthony -
I'm with you. The whole "styles" approach is ridiculous.
I still have a great fondness for Word Perfect. The "Reveal Codes"
function gave me total control. Even more so than Micro$loth Word.
Sadly, for all practical purposes, Word Perfect is functionally dead.
OO is a poor second, IMHO.
On Thu, Jun 25, 2015 at 5:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers <an...@att.net>
wrote:
> What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor
> (WP) is in a different "style," & you don't know its "style" until you
> finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized
> lists & inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating documents & written
> articles in many & varied formats. To address the responder of my initial
> posting, let me say: I've invested a lot of time in trying to become
> proficient in Writer "styles" w/o much success. Also, I bought every
> reference I could find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP
> to produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted. What is more,
> when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found
> the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built into
> the Writer document. I don't mind investing in computer programming
> technology that serves my needs. (For a "selfie" "aside," I started in
> the computer business in 1961, & was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea.
> different computer languages. So I know what it means to "invest" one's
> time & effort to acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I
> decided w/ Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done.
> Therefore, I decided to invest my time & energy elsewhere. In consistency
> w/ my previous experience, I chose to invest my time & energy in the
> so-called "tried & true"--in this case MS Word. My priority has always
> been on getting my work done efficiently, & not on learning to become
> proficient w/ any particular software product.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Anthony J. Rudgers
> Orlando, FL
> Posted: June 25, 2015; 8:25 pm
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Dale Erwin
> Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:10 AM
> To: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Cc: Anthony Rudgers
> Subject: Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of
> the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
>
> On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
>
>> As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for
>> Microsoft Word. While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the
>> proverbial "free lunch," I don't expect to get one. However, I found I can
>> get MS Word to give me the text I want to type almost always. But when I
>> use Writer, I keep getting something I have to constantly diddle with to
>> get it to appear in the form I want. And, if I want something fancier than
>> simple text, I can get that too with MS Word. I'd like Writer fine if only
>> I could sit down at my computer & prepare a document using it without
>> constantly undoing all the things built into Writer that I've never figured
>> out how to turn off or to modify. Of course I had to pay a somewhat steep
>> price to get a WP that served my needs, but my time is valuable to me too,
>> so the ease of use & the reliability of MS Word seems well worth the cost
>> in the long run.
>>
>
> I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would
> find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I
> struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and
> made the time to learn how to use them.
>
> Dale Erwin
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
"Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Johnny Rosenberg <gu...@gmail.com>.
2015-06-26 17:37 GMT+02:00 Doug <dm...@optonline.net>:
>
>
> On 06/26/2015 11:26 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:
>
>> On 06/25/2015 08:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
>>
>>> What do you do if most every document you create with your word
>>> processor (WP) is in a different "style," & you don't know its "style"
>>> until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of
>>> specialized lists & inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating documents
>>> & written articles in many & varied formats. To address the responder of
>>> my initial posting, let me say: I've invested a lot of time in trying to
>>> become proficient in Writer "styles" w/o much success. Also, I bought
>>> every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that
>>> Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted. What
>>> is more, when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time,
>>> I found the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built
>>> into the Writer document. I don't mind investing in computer programming
>>> technology that serves my needs. (For a "selfie" "aside," I started in
>>> the computer business in 1961, & was, at
>>> various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer languages. So I know
>>> what it means to "invest" one's time & effort to acquire proficiency w/ a
>>> particular software product.) I decided w/ Writer that I wasn't making
>>> progress getting my work done. Therefore, I decided to invest my time &
>>> eanergy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my previous experience, I chose to
>>> invest my time & energy in the so-called "tried & true"--in this case MS
>>> Word. My priority has always been on getting my work done efficiently, &
>>> not on learning to become proficient w/ any particular software product.
>>>
>>> Best wishes,
>>>
>>> Anthony J. Rudgers
>>> Orlando, FL
>>> Posted: June 25, 2015; 8:25 pm
>>>
>>
>>
> As I mentioned before, I have given up on OO and LO becasue of the style
> problem. However, it occurs to me that the style problem could be easily
> fixed (by the devs) if there was a simple
> bypass arrangement that could be invoked when you want to evade the style
> momentarily--say ALT-F12 or something like that, which would allow you to
> type whatever you want,
Styles has never prevented me from typing whatever I want. Auto correction
has, some times.
> where you want it.
> It could be set to remain in force until the end of line, or perhaps until
> the end of paragraph. Or perhaps both options--say, one under F11 and the
> other under F12.
>
> --doug
>
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Bruce Byfield <bb...@axion.net>.
On Friday 26 June 2015 03:03:18 PM John Hart wrote:
> On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:
> > On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote:
> >> However, if there were
> >>
> >> to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line
> >> or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to
> >> the style, then it might become a more user-friendly environment.
That's what character styles are for.
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of
the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by John Hart <jh...@testra.com>.
On 6/27/2015 2:03 PM, Felmon Davis wrote:
> On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, John Hart wrote:
>
>> On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:
>>> On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote:
>>>> However, if there were
>>>> to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a
>>>> line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately
>>>> returns to the style, then it might become a more user-friendly
>>>> environment.
>>>
>> A reasonable suggestion
>
> not reasonable at all from my point of view.
>
> I have to edit a collection of essays once a yr. styles are invaluable.
>
> if hitting a line return changed styles, the work would be very
> difficult.
>
> suppose I have a long quotation with indents and containing several
> paragraphs. I want the line returns to preserve formatting.
>
> if I want to drop out of a style I either change the style (some of
> them I have tied to key combinations) or hit 'clear formatting.'
I have a CNC that can do most anything better than a drill press, yet I
use the drill press more. It appears by your answer, there is a way for
him to do what he wants. It's much better to inform, than call people
stupid. (unreasonable)
jrh
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of
the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Felmon Davis <da...@union.edu>.
On Fri, 26 Jun 2015, John Hart wrote:
> On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:
>> On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote:
>>> However, if there were
>>> to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line or
>>> the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to the
>>> style, then it might become a more user-friendly environment.
>>
> A reasonable suggestion
not reasonable at all from my point of view.
I have to edit a collection of essays once a yr. styles are
invaluable.
if hitting a line return changed styles, the work would be very
difficult.
suppose I have a long quotation with indents and containing several
paragraphs. I want the line returns to preserve formatting.
if I want to drop out of a style I either change the style (some of
them I have tied to key combinations) or hit 'clear formatting.'
>> You've already told us that you do not intend to learn styles. There is no
>> need to give us more proof that you don't know how to use them.
>>
> Followed by an /ad hominem response
well, wrong tone, we should be civil, but ...; well, anyway, what I'd
like to know since I never did more elaborate than write papers in
WordPerfect (not requiring much formatting) is how does one format
across large documents?
suppose I decide that all paragraphs with a certain indentation should
also be in italics; I can simply change the style for indented
paragraphs of that sort and the change should replicate through the
document.
what is the facility in WP for that? I think it uses some kind of
template? law offices used to use it and they have elaborate
requirements.
forgive me for not looking but WP people would know right away.
f.
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of
the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by John Hart <jh...@testra.com>.
On 6/26/2015 1:12 PM, Dale Erwin wrote:
> On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote:
>> However, if there were
>> to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line
>> or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to
>> the style, then it might become a more user-friendly environment.
>
A reasonable suggestion
> You've already told us that you do not intend to learn styles. There
> is no need to give us more proof that you don't know how to use them.
>
Followed by an /ad hominem response
/
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
"Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org>.
On 6/26/2015 11:37 AM, Doug wrote:
> A style is a strait-jacket! If you should want to, say, indent
> something where the style does not allow it, you have to invoke some
> other style. Or maybe double indent it. Or lots of things that "break"
> the
> style that is presently in force. This strait-jacket is something I
> encountered a few times, and decided that never again will I try to
> use this software. I just don't need the hassle! However, if there were
> to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line
> or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to
> the style, then it might become a more user-friendly environment.
You've already told us that you do not intend to learn styles. There is
no need to give us more proof that you don't know how to use them.
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
"Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by James Plante <ji...@me.com>.
Good luck to you, Doug. To swipe a concept from an old Apple commercial, “The most powerful software is the one people use.” If what you’re using gets the job done, then your question is answered: Use it. WordPerfect, Word and AOo have learning curves; if you don’t need to invest the time on those learning curves, then common sense would say, “Don’t.”
Jim
> On Jun 26, 2015, at 11:37 AM, Doug <dm...@optonline.net> wrote:
>
>
>
> On 06/26/2015 12:16 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:
>> <Big snip>
>>> As I mentioned before, I have given up on OO and LO becasue of the style problem. However, it occurs to me that the style problem could be easily fixed (by the devs) if there was a simple
>>> bypass arrangement that could be invoked when you want to evade the style momentarily--say ALT-F12 or something like that, which would allow you to type whatever you want, where you want it.
>>> It could be set to remain in force until the end of line, or perhaps until the end of paragraph. Or perhaps both options--say, one under F11 and the other under F12.
>>>
>>> --doug
>>
>> What do you mean by type whatever you want and where you want it? Any document I have seen requires much more organization than this. In the end the document will have everything in its place. Otherwise, it will make no sense to the reader. For example, you would want the discussion about a chart to be next to it. You would not want it it be 5 pages apart.
>> Specific examples of typing whatever you want where you want would a great help. Without specifics, there can be no solution to the problem. Then it becomes like a man telling a doctor, "I don't feel good" over the telephone. The doctor is not likely to tell the man what he needs to do. The doctor needs specifics.
>>
>> Dan
>>
> A style is a strait-jacket! If you should want to, say, indent something where the style does not allow it, you have to invoke some other style. Or maybe double indent it. Or lots of things that "break" the
> style that is presently in force. This strait-jacket is something I encountered a few times, and decided that never again will I try to use this software. I just don't need the hassle! However, if there were
> to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to the style, then it might become a more user-friendly environment.
> In the meantime, I am happy with TextMaker in Linux, and WordPerfect in Windows, and short of _at least_ my suggested modifications, I will never bother with OO or LO again. And to make things perfectly
> clear, I don't give a hoot whether the software I use is FOSS or proprietary or free or reasonably priced, if it makes my computing life simpler and more effective.
>
> --doug
>
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
"Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 06/26/2015 12:16 PM, Dan Lewis wrote:
> <Big snip>
>> As I mentioned before, I have given up on OO and LO becasue of the style problem. However, it occurs to me that the style problem could be easily fixed (by the devs) if there was a simple
>> bypass arrangement that could be invoked when you want to evade the style momentarily--say ALT-F12 or something like that, which would allow you to type whatever you want, where you want it.
>> It could be set to remain in force until the end of line, or perhaps until the end of paragraph. Or perhaps both options--say, one under F11 and the other under F12.
>>
>> --doug
>
> What do you mean by type whatever you want and where you want it? Any document I have seen requires much more organization than this. In the end the document will have everything in its place. Otherwise, it will make no sense to the reader. For example, you would want the discussion about a chart to be next to it. You would not want it it be 5 pages apart.
> Specific examples of typing whatever you want where you want would a great help. Without specifics, there can be no solution to the problem. Then it becomes like a man telling a doctor, "I don't feel good" over the telephone. The doctor is not likely to tell the man what he needs to do. The doctor needs specifics.
>
> Dan
>
A style is a strait-jacket! If you should want to, say, indent something where the style does not allow it, you have to invoke some other style. Or maybe double indent it. Or lots of things that "break" the
style that is presently in force. This strait-jacket is something I encountered a few times, and decided that never again will I try to use this software. I just don't need the hassle! However, if there were
to be a means of exiting the strait-jacket for a short space--a line or the end of a paragraph, say, or until one deliberately returns to the style, then it might become a more user-friendly environment.
In the meantime, I am happy with TextMaker in Linux, and WordPerfect in Windows, and short of _at least_ my suggested modifications, I will never bother with OO or LO again. And to make things perfectly
clear, I don't give a hoot whether the software I use is FOSS or proprietary or free or reasonably priced, if it makes my computing life simpler and more effective.
--doug
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Martin Groenescheij <ma...@groenescheij.com>.
> <Big snip>
> Specific examples of typing whatever you want where you want would a great help. Without specifics, there can be no solution to the problem. Then it becomes like a man telling a doctor, "I don't feel good" over the telephone. The doctor is not likely to tell the man what he needs to do.
>
But the doctor will nevertheless send an invoice 💰😀💰
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of
the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Dan Lewis <el...@gmail.com>.
<Big snip>
> As I mentioned before, I have given up on OO and LO becasue of the
> style problem. However, it occurs to me that the style problem could
> be easily fixed (by the devs) if there was a simple
> bypass arrangement that could be invoked when you want to evade the
> style momentarily--say ALT-F12 or something like that, which would
> allow you to type whatever you want, where you want it.
> It could be set to remain in force until the end of line, or perhaps
> until the end of paragraph. Or perhaps both options--say, one under
> F11 and the other under F12.
>
> --doug
What do you mean by type whatever you want and where you want it?
Any document I have seen requires much more organization than this. In
the end the document will have everything in its place. Otherwise, it
will make no sense to the reader. For example, you would want the
discussion about a chart to be next to it. You would not want it it be 5
pages apart.
Specific examples of typing whatever you want where you want would
a great help. Without specifics, there can be no solution to the
problem. Then it becomes like a man telling a doctor, "I don't feel
good" over the telephone. The doctor is not likely to tell the man what
he needs to do. The doctor needs specifics.
Dan
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
"Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 06/26/2015 11:26 AM, Dan Lewis wrote:
> On 06/25/2015 08:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
>> What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different "style," & you don't know its "style" until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists & inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating documents & written articles in many & varied formats. To address the responder of my initial posting, let me say: I've invested a lot of time in trying to become proficient in Writer "styles" w/o much success. Also, I bought every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted. What is more, when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document. I don't mind investing in computer programming technology that serves my needs. (For a "selfie" "aside," I started in the computer business in 1961, & was, at
>> various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer languages. So I know what it means to "invest" one's time & effort to acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I decided w/ Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, I decided to invest my time & eanergy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my previous experience, I chose to invest my time & energy in the so-called "tried & true"--in this case MS Word. My priority has always been on getting my work done efficiently, & not on learning to become proficient w/ any particular software product.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Anthony J. Rudgers
>> Orlando, FL
>> Posted: June 25, 2015; 8:25 pm
>
As I mentioned before, I have given up on OO and LO becasue of the style problem. However, it occurs to me that the style problem could be easily fixed (by the devs) if there was a simple
bypass arrangement that could be invoked when you want to evade the style momentarily--say ALT-F12 or something like that, which would allow you to type whatever you want, where you want it.
It could be set to remain in force until the end of line, or perhaps until the end of paragraph. Or perhaps both options--say, one under F11 and the other under F12.
--doug
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RE: Use of styles [was: Editor Wars!]
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
The TL;DR: OpenOffice and the OpenDocument Format *only* have styles and the styles work in hierarchies where style features are inherited and operate over different hierarchy classes of styles as well. So-called "local formatting" is accomplished by imposing styles.
- Dennis
BACKGROUND
When you set one of the formatting buttons on a selection of one or more characters, a style will be applied at least on a text-span element that is introduced for enacting the style dependency. Individual characters don't have format or styles directly. Those are inherited from some sort of (nested) text container that the characters are within.
What happens in this case is that OpenOffice makes up an "automatic" style to reflect the settings being imposed, and that will usually inherit from some sort of built-in or default style, and it may intersect with styles on a higher container, such as character-format styles set on the paragraph.
That is how it is difficult to have something like WordPerfect's "Show" or "Reveal" functionality work with ODF-based documents. It is also a source of problems when later you attempt to reverse some aspect of what was set (e.g., a font choice) and it doesn't seem to work because of some sort of style collision that is not apparent.
FOR USERS
It is possible to remain ignorant of styles in working with OpenOffice Writer, so long as one is doing simple things. OpenOffice is designed to permit that, partly to make it easier to deal with Microsoft Office documents, at least superficially.
At some point, it may be necessary to understand more about styles, especially when working with documents being worked on collaboratively with others. There are templates to consider and the styles that go with the format being preserved as part of the collaborative work.
On the other hand, for individual effort, I have no desire to tell someone that they should change their way of working, unless they are trying to force something in a way that actually can't work in OpenOffice.
The idea is to not have the product be in the way of the user.
At the same time, not all naïve attempts will succeed. I think it is best, in that case, to offer the user something that is the least that can possibly work in their situation without imposing any more learning-curve on them than necessary to match their ambitions for their documents.
- Dennis
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Subject: Re: Use of styles [was: Editor Wars!]
At 11:26 26/06/2015 -0400, Dan Lewis wrote:
>One thing that I *do not* do is use the styles list across the top
>of Apache OO. (*B*,/I, /_U_)
I know that you know what you mean, but you will confuse the masses
by saying this. Bold, italic, and underline can indeed be aspects of
both character styles and paragraph styles. But the buttons in the
Formatting toolbar (along with keyboard shortcuts Ctrl+B and so on,
as well as right-click | Style > and Format | Character...) apply
local character formatting and are not related to styles. So it may
be confusing to call the array of buttons a "styles list".
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Re: Use of styles [was: Editor Wars!]
Posted by Brian Barker <b....@btinternet.com>.
At 11:26 26/06/2015 -0400, Dan Lewis wrote:
>One thing that I *do not* do is use the styles list across the top
>of Apache OO. (*B*,/I, /_U_)
I know that you know what you mean, but you will confuse the masses
by saying this. Bold, italic, and underline can indeed be aspects of
both character styles and paragraph styles. But the buttons in the
Formatting toolbar (along with keyboard shortcuts Ctrl+B and so on,
as well as right-click | Style > and Format | Character...) apply
local character formatting and are not related to styles. So it may
be confusing to call the array of buttons a "styles list".
Your point is that - very sensibly - you eschew the use of those
buttons precisely because they do not relate to styles but create
local formatting; instead you use styles for these purposes.
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of
the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Dan Lewis <el...@gmail.com>.
On 06/25/2015 08:26 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
> What do you do if most every document you create with your word
> processor (WP) is in a different "style," & you don't know its "style"
> until you finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of
> specialized lists & inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating
> documents & written articles in many & varied formats. To address
> the responder of my initial posting, let me say: I've invested a lot
> of time in trying to become proficient in Writer "styles" w/o much
> success. Also, I bought every reference I could find on 'Writer,' but
> still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in
> the format I wanted. What is more, when I was required to re-edit a
> Writer document at a later time, I found the re-editing often undid
> all the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document. I
> don't mind investing in computer programming technology that serves my
> needs. (For a "selfie" "aside," I started in the computer business
> in 1961, & was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea. different computer
> languages. So I know what it means to "invest" one's time & effort to
> acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I decided w/
> Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore,
> I decided to invest my time & eanergy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my
> previous experience, I chose to invest my time & energy in the
> so-called "tried & true"--in this case MS Word. My priority has
> always been on getting my work done efficiently, & not on learning to
> become proficient w/ any particular software product.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Anthony J. Rudgers
> Orlando, FL
> Posted: June 25, 2015; 8:25 pm
It is clear from what you just wrote that you do not understand the
difference between using styles and using a template. When you speak of
a document having a "style," you are really meaning it has all of the
individual styles that you want it to have. If you had several documents
that used the same styles, it would be worthwhile to create a template
with those styles. Then you would not have to create the same styles
each time.
When the Styles and Formatting window is open, you are given lists
of styles: paragraph, character, frame, page, and list. Each paragraph
style defines the formatting to be applied to the selected paragraph;
character styles define the formating of a single or group of characters
within a paragraph; page style defines the layout of the selected page; etc.
When I create a document, I will use a variety of paragraph styles
depending upon what I want the paragraph to look like. I will also add a
character style in some paragraphs to add a color and italics to some of
characters in these paragraphs.
One thing that I *do not* do is use the styles list across the top
of Apache OO. (*B*,/I, /_U_) There are character styles for the first
two (strong emphasis, emphasis respectively). An underline character
style can quickly be created.
Full disclosure: I wrote the original "Getting Started with Base"
chapter for the Getting Started Guide for OOo.org 2.0 in 2003 or there
abouts. I was involved with writing "Getting Started with Impress around
that time as well. My help with documentation goes back to OOo.org 1.03
and probably earlier. During all of this time, I learned how to use
styles to accomplish what I wanted to do.
It takes time and commitment to learn how to use styles in AOO just
as it takes time to learn how to use Word Perfect or MS Word. But once
one learns how to use a given word processor, he can do many things that
he could not before. Remember, it is always easier to do something the
same way you did before than to do it in a different way.
I have been using styles for probably 15 years, so I am very
comfortable with using them. Recently, I completed a book in ePUB format
with 196 pages of text (89,000+ words) and illustrations. I used a wide
number of styles in the process. It has the look that I wanted it to
have. It was basic second nature.
Dan
> ITo: users@openoffice.apache.org
> Cc: Anthony Rudgers
> Subject: Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf
> of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
>
> On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
>> As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for
>> Microsoft Word. While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like
>> the proverbial "free lunch," I don't expect to get one. However, I
>> found I can get MS Word to give me the text I want to type almost
>> always. But when I use Writer, I keep getting something I have to
>> constantly diddle with to get it to appear in the form I want. And,
>> if I want something fancier than simple text, I can get that too with
>> MS Word. I'd like Writer fine if only I could sit down at my
>> computer & prepare a document using it without constantly undoing all
>> the things built into Writer that I've never figured out how to turn
>> off or to modify. Of course I had to pay a somewhat steep price to
>> get a WP that served my needs, but my time is valuable to me too, so
>> the ease of use & the reliability of MS Word seems well worth the
>> cost in the long run.
>
> I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would
> find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I
> struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and
> made the time to learn how to use them.
>
> Dale Erwin
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of
the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by toki <to...@gmail.com>.
On 06/26/2015 12:26 AM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
> What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor (WP) is in a different "style," & you don't know its "style" until you finish creating it?
Sounds like you are confusing styles, with templates.
> For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized lists & inventories w/ my WP,
Are you using styles for presentation markup, semantic markup, or some
other type of markup, or a completely different purpose?
> still couldn't get that Writer WP to produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted.
I'm going to suggest that despite the hours you "invested" in trying to
become proficient, you spent barely any time determining what it was,
that you were trying to accomplish.
> What is more, when I was required to re-edit a Writer document at a
later time, I found the re-editing often undid all
the formatting I thought I had built into the Writer document.
That sounds like you are doing the markup manually, rather than by using
styles. Alternatively, you are saving the resulting document in file
format that does not preserve markup.
jonathon
Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by "Anthony J. Rudgers" <an...@att.net>.
What do you do if most every document you create with your word processor
(WP) is in a different "style," & you don't know its "style" until you
finish creating it? For my personal use, I create a lot of specialized
lists & inventories w/ my WP, in addition to creating documents & written
articles in many & varied formats. To address the responder of my initial
posting, let me say: I've invested a lot of time in trying to become
proficient in Writer "styles" w/o much success. Also, I bought every
reference I could find on 'Writer,' but still couldn't get that Writer WP to
produce the documents I needed in the format I wanted. What is more, when I
was required to re-edit a Writer document at a later time, I found the
re-editing often undid all the formatting I thought I had built into the
Writer document. I don't mind investing in computer programming technology
that serves my needs. (For a "selfie" "aside," I started in the computer
business in 1961, & was, at various times, fluent in 7 ea. different
computer languages. So I know what it means to "invest" one's time & effort
to acquire proficiency w/ a particular software product.) I decided w/
Writer that I wasn't making progress getting my work done. Therefore, I
decided to invest my time & energy elsewhere. In consistency w/ my previous
experience, I chose to invest my time & energy in the so-called "tried &
true"--in this case MS Word. My priority has always been on getting my work
done efficiently, & not on learning to become proficient w/ any particular
software product.
Best wishes,
Anthony J. Rudgers
Orlando, FL
Posted: June 25, 2015; 8:25 pm
-----Original Message-----
From: Dale Erwin
Sent: Thursday, June 25, 2015 2:10 AM
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Cc: Anthony Rudgers
Subject: Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of
the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
> As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for
> Microsoft Word. While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the
> proverbial "free lunch," I don't expect to get one. However, I found I
> can get MS Word to give me the text I want to type almost always. But
> when I use Writer, I keep getting something I have to constantly diddle
> with to get it to appear in the form I want. And, if I want something
> fancier than simple text, I can get that too with MS Word. I'd like
> Writer fine if only I could sit down at my computer & prepare a document
> using it without constantly undoing all the things built into Writer that
> I've never figured out how to turn off or to modify. Of course I had to
> pay a somewhat steep price to get a WP that served my needs, but my time
> is valuable to me too, so the ease of use & the reliability of MS Word
> seems well worth the cost in the long run.
I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would
find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I
struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and
made the time to learn how to use them.
Dale Erwin
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the
"Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by Dale Erwin <da...@casaerwin.org>.
On 6/23/2015 10:53 PM, Anthony J. Rudgers wrote:
> As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for
> Microsoft Word. While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the
> proverbial "free lunch," I don't expect to get one. However, I found
> I can get MS Word to give me the text I want to type almost always.
> But when I use Writer, I keep getting something I have to constantly
> diddle with to get it to appear in the form I want. And, if I want
> something fancier than simple text, I can get that too with MS Word.
> I'd like Writer fine if only I could sit down at my computer & prepare
> a document using it without constantly undoing all the things built
> into Writer that I've never figured out how to turn off or to modify.
> Of course I had to pay a somewhat steep price to get a WP that served
> my needs, but my time is valuable to me too, so the ease of use & the
> reliability of MS Word seems well worth the cost in the long run.
I think if you would take the time to learn how to use styles you would
find that Writer can be just as versatile as Word, if not moreso. I
struggled against it for a long time before I finally broke down and
made the time to learn how to use them.
Dale Erwin
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!--how about some heresy on behalf of the "Joe 6-Pack" word processor user
Posted by "Anthony J. Rudgers" <an...@att.net>.
As to word processors suitable for the general user, my vote is for
Microsoft Word. While, like most everyone on our Planet, I'd like the
proverbial "free lunch," I don't expect to get one. However, I found I can
get MS Word to give me the text I want to type almost always. But when I
use Writer, I keep getting something I have to constantly diddle with to get
it to appear in the form I want. And, if I want something fancier than
simple text, I can get that too with MS Word. I'd like Writer fine if only
I could sit down at my computer & prepare a document using it without
constantly undoing all the things built into Writer that I've never figured
out how to turn off or to modify. Of course I had to pay a somewhat steep
price to get a WP that served my needs, but my time is valuable to me too,
so the ease of use & the reliability of MS Word seems well worth the cost in
the long run.
Best wishes,
Anthony J. Rudgers
Orlando, FL
Sent June 23, 2015; 11:53 pm
-----Original Message-----
From: Julian Thomas
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 11:08 PM
To: Open Office Apache list
Subject: warning - Editor Wars!!!
> On Jun 23, 2015, at 15:10, James Knott <ja...@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe try Emacs…
>
> No! Vi's the best editor. ;-)
—
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!
Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
On 06/24/2015 06:30 AM, James Knott wrote:
> On 06/23/2015 11:40 PM, William and Michele Suepke wrote:
>> What is VI?
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi
>
> It's a text editor commonly used in Unix, including Linux, based
> systems. There's a long running battle between advocates of Vi and
> Emacs. :-)
>
>
Forgot to mention, "Bill Joy", mentioned in that article, was a
co-founder of Sun, which owned OpenOffice, before Sun was bought by
Oracle. That should bring us back on topic. ;-)
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!
Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
On 06/23/2015 11:40 PM, William and Michele Suepke wrote:
> What is VI?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vi
It's a text editor commonly used in Unix, including Linux, based
systems. There's a long running battle between advocates of Vi and
Emacs. :-)
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Re: warning - Editor Wars!!!
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On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 8:08 PM, Julian Thomas <jt...@jt-mj.net> wrote:
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> > On Jun 23, 2015, at 15:10, James Knott <ja...@rogers.com> wrote:
> >
> >> Maybe try Emacs…
> >
> > No! Vi's the best editor. ;-)
>
> —
> jt - jt@jt-mj.net
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> necessities. - Frank Lloyd Wright
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warning - Editor Wars!!!
Posted by Julian Thomas <jt...@jt-mj.net>.
> On Jun 23, 2015, at 15:10, James Knott <ja...@rogers.com> wrote:
>
>> Maybe try Emacs…
>
> No! Vi's the best editor. ;-)
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Re: Problems auto correct writer
Posted by James Knott <ja...@rogers.com>.
On 06/23/2015 02:50 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
> Maybe try Emacs…
No! Vi's the best editor. ;-)
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RE: Problems auto correct writer
Posted by "Dennis E. Hamilton" <de...@acm.org>.
Depending on the version of Windows the OP is using, there are two simple text editors built into the product.
Notepad, which does simple text, with or without wordwrap.
WordPad uses WYSIWYG document formats and provides very simple functionality. WordPad may be what the OP wants. There is no auto-correct (no auto spell-checker either), but files can be saved as RTF, DOCX, ODT [!!], and 3 flavors of text. (This is the descendant of the Windows built-in formerly known as "Write.")
Both are free and built into Windows.
- Dennis
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Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2015 13:27
To: users@openoffice.apache.org
Subject: Re: Problems auto correct writer
On 06/23/2015 02:50 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
> 2015-06-22 22:20 GMT+02:00 Jos Smeets <jo...@gmail.com>:
[ ... ]
>> Could you please tell him how to turn every possible, every last,
>> every single one function of the auto correct off. Forever.
[ ... ] Jos Smeets needs a user-friendly
word processor, not Emacs! (I also got tired of having the text-processing
software decide what my output should look like.)He didn't mention whether
he's using Windows or Linux. If Windows, then WordPerfect is user-friendly
and obtainable for a reasonable price. Both Windows and Linux can use TextMaker,
which is part of SoftMaker Office, also not very expensive. Neither one is free,
altho S/MO has a freebie which has not had very good reviews. The paid
version is very nice, and I use it all the time, in Linux. (There is a
separate version of SoftMaker for Windows and for Linux.) In all cases, the
lower-cost versions are for home, not business use.
NB: There will be a new version of SoftMaker Office for Linux in the near future.
The new version for Windows is available now.
--doug
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Re: Problems auto correct writer
Posted by Doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 06/23/2015 02:50 PM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:
> 2015-06-22 22:20 GMT+02:00 Jos Smeets <jo...@gmail.com>:
>
>> I've recently found myself needing to a more advance text processor
>> then notepad, so I've turn to your open office writer. However I find
>> myself unable to use for one main reason. The auto correct function. I
>> can't seem to fully turn it off. I've gone to "extra -> options for
>> auto correct", and turned ever option off. I've looked through every
>> setting I could find to find more things to turn off, but it keeps
>> changing things. I found a remark online suggesting the "makeup/layout
>> -> autocorrect -> during input" option would turn it on and off, but
>> it doesn't matter if it's checked or unchecked it keeps meddling with
>> what I type. This mainly manifests itself in trying to remove 0's in
>> numbers, dates and trying to make summeries wen I don't want it or
>> modifying the ones I make myself.
>>
>> Could you please tell him how to turn every possible, every last,
>> every single one function of the auto correct off. Forever.
>>
>> What is the point of using writer for it's more advanced layout
>> options, wen I don't have full control over it? I want to be able to
>> type and do whatever I want. Type in any number, any word or sentence
>> even bash my head randomly on the keyboard without the program trying
>> to dictate its idea of writing and layout to me. The only option that
>> is useful is having the program underline spelling mistakes and
>> correcting them when I ask for it and that part works fine. The rest
>> is down right terrible and prevents me from properly using the
>> program.
>>
>> (I have might have gotten some of the menu terms a bit wrong as I've
>> translated from a Dutch version of the program.)
>>
>> I'd appreciate a quick, detailed and useful response.
>>
>
> Doesn't seem like Writer is the right tool for you. Maybe try Emacs…?
>
That's a smart-ass answer for sure! Jos Smeets needs a user-friendly
word processor, not Emacs! (I also got tired of having the text-processing
software decide what my output should look like.)He didn't mention whether
he's using Windows or Linux. If Windows, then WordPerfect is user-friendly
and obtainable for a reasonable price. Both Windows and Linux can use TextMaker,
which is part of SoftMaker Office, also not very expensive. Neither one is free,
altho S/MO has a freebie which has not had very good reviews. The paid
version is very nice, and I use it all the time, in Linux. (There is a
separate version of SoftMaker for Windows and for Linux.) In all cases, the
lower-cost versions are for home, not business use.
NB: There will be a new version of SoftMaker Office for Linux in the near future.
The new version for Windows is available now.
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Re: Problems auto correct writer
Posted by Johnny Rosenberg <gu...@gmail.com>.
2015-06-22 22:20 GMT+02:00 Jos Smeets <jo...@gmail.com>:
> I've recently found myself needing to a more advance text processor
> then notepad, so I've turn to your open office writer. However I find
> myself unable to use for one main reason. The auto correct function. I
> can't seem to fully turn it off. I've gone to "extra -> options for
> auto correct", and turned ever option off. I've looked through every
> setting I could find to find more things to turn off, but it keeps
> changing things. I found a remark online suggesting the "makeup/layout
> -> autocorrect -> during input" option would turn it on and off, but
> it doesn't matter if it's checked or unchecked it keeps meddling with
> what I type. This mainly manifests itself in trying to remove 0's in
> numbers, dates and trying to make summeries wen I don't want it or
> modifying the ones I make myself.
>
> Could you please tell him how to turn every possible, every last,
> every single one function of the auto correct off. Forever.
>
> What is the point of using writer for it's more advanced layout
> options, wen I don't have full control over it? I want to be able to
> type and do whatever I want. Type in any number, any word or sentence
> even bash my head randomly on the keyboard without the program trying
> to dictate its idea of writing and layout to me. The only option that
> is useful is having the program underline spelling mistakes and
> correcting them when I ask for it and that part works fine. The rest
> is down right terrible and prevents me from properly using the
> program.
>
> (I have might have gotten some of the menu terms a bit wrong as I've
> translated from a Dutch version of the program.)
>
> I'd appreciate a quick, detailed and useful response.
>
Doesn't seem like Writer is the right tool for you. Maybe try Emacs…?
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Re: Problems auto correct writer
Posted by toki <to...@gmail.com>.
On 06/22/2015 08:20 PM, Jos Smeets wrote:
> The auto correct function. I can't seem to fully turn it off.
Is this for Base, Calc, Draw, Impress, Math, or Writer?
Each one of those has a different set of things to adjust, in a
different part of the menu structure.
Assuming you don't want auto-anything in Writer.
">Tools >AutoCorrect Options >Word Completion"
* Uncheck "Enable Word Completion";
* Uncheck "Collect Words";
* Delete all of the words in the list on the right hand side;
">Tools >AutoCorrect Options >Localized Options"
These tend to be useful, but nonetheless, you might want to uncheck
everything.
">Tools >AutoCorrect Options >Options"
Just uncheck everything here, and be done with it.
Whilst some of the options are useful, others are not just annoying, but
are outright destructive.
">Tools >AutoCorrect Options >Exceptions"
* Uncheck both of the checkboxes that are marked "autoinclude".
This applies even if those entries are blank.
Now the fun begins.
You need to repeat that option for every language, and every locale that
you use. :(
«This is when you'll wish somebody had created an extension that
automatically unchecks everything here, and in the other places.»
">Tools >Options >Language Settings >Writing Aids"
* Uncheck everything under "Available Language Modules";
* Uncheck everything under "User-Defined Dictionaries";
* Uncheck everything under "Options";
">Tools >Options >Language Settings >English Sentence Checking"
* Uncheck everything here;
">Tools >Options >Load/Save >General"
* Uncheck everything on that page;
Um, how much auto-everything do you want to eliminate?
That eliminates almost all of the annoying auto-something that LibO
does. It also eliminates some useful functionality.
AFAIK, there is no way to turn off the most aggravating auto- feature in
Calc --- word-completion.
jonathon