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Posted to dev@httpd.apache.org by "Mikhail T." <mi...@aldan.algebra.com> on 2014/03/07 18:58:00 UTC
Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes)
On 07.03.2014 12:28, Yann Ylavic wrote:
> Sorry, this was posted from gmail...
Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list, that use of HTML is
something to apologize for? With all due sympathies to Reindl's medical
condition, why must we -- in the second decade of the 21st century -- deny
ourselves the means of expression afforded by HTML on this list? He can -- ought
to be able to -- adjust his MUA to use his font-preferences over whatever may be
specified in the incoming email.
I'd ask this question on /any/ mailing list, but it seems especially ironic
among developers of Apache httpd -- software meant to distribute content, that
is most often written in HTML...
Granted, some HTML can be offensive even to the healthy eyes -- and ought to be
viewed as impolite (not that Yann's was anything of the kind). But to request,
as Reindl did, that /all/ postings -- from all participants -- be in plain text,
seems rather overbearing...
> Here is the plain text.
Wouldn't it be better to send such a duplication to Reindl /personally/?
To avoid this becoming a list-wide flame war, I ask for the powers running this
list to convene and hand us the law: either HTML is acceptable (my own
preference), or it is not (in which case it should be bounced back by the
mailing list software with an appropriate message).
-mi
Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children
processes)
Posted by Noel Butler <no...@ausics.net>.
On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 12:58 -0500, Mikhail T. wrote:
> On 07.03.2014 12:28, Yann Ylavic wrote:
>
> >
> > Sorry, this was posted from gmail...
>
> Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list, that use of
> HTML is something to apologize for? With all due sympathies to
> Reindl's medical
Absolutely no apology required
Harald is just a system admin subscribed to this http developer list, he
has no association with Apache Software Foundation, he has been warned
about playing net cop where he has no authority to do so before, ignore
him.
Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes)
Posted by Eric Covener <co...@gmail.com>.
On Sun, Mar 9, 2014 at 2:01 PM, Reindl Harald <h....@thelounge.net> wrote:
>
> Am 08.03.2014 01:38, schrieb Noel Butler:
>> This will be dealt with off list
>
> with the words below which are only a part of the off-list reply
It should be kept off-list. Just stop.
Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children
processes)
Posted by Reindl Harald <h....@thelounge.net>.
the next one with his vendetta
i just *asked* consider post plain text
nothing more
Am 10.03.2014 00:32, schrieb Nick Edwards:
> Truer words were never spoken about Harald Reindl, this person brings
> trouble to every mailing list he joins
>
> postfix - banned
read the history
> fedora - moderation
no longer true for good reasons
> centos - moderation/banned
because *one* posting years ago
> roundcube - moderation
caused by Noel Butler and nobody else
> dovecot - final warnings
in a thread flamed by Noel Butler and youself
interesing that i am still there, Noel not and he had his vendetta against Timo long ago
> I do not find his hostname in bl.alt-backspace.org
because it was removed months ago after even Noel Butler realized
that it is the wrong way to blacklist whole networks because personal
problems with a single person and if people like Noel and you just
shut up many problems you list abvoe simply would not exist
______________________________________
frankly who do you and Noel think that you are to rule the world?
did i do anyhting bad on this list?
if yes show me
if no just shut up with your persnal justice trying to rule the world
there is not much left to say than that reject message below
<no...@ausics.net>: host mail.ausics.net[27.33.160.23] said: 554 5.7.1
Sender address rejected: faggots not allowed
Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes)
Posted by Nick Edwards <ni...@gmail.com>.
Truer words were never spoken about Harald Reindl, this person brings
trouble to every mailing list he joins
postfix - banned
fedora - moderation
centos - moderation/banned
roundcube - moderation
dovecot - final warnings
and they are just the lists I know of, and when moderated he is known
to send direct abuse and threats to people (this is why on roundcube
he will never be post status again)
removing the content of such deserved vulgar (about time somebody gave
him a dose of his own medicine for once) I do not find his hostname in
bl.alt-backspace.org so, if thats a fabrication, well, I'll leave it
to your imaginations.
I suggest this list moderates him as well else this is just the start
of things to come going by his very poor track record. Most people
(myself included) have him filtered out anyway- now he's found his way
onto this list, I no longer whitelist this list.
Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children
processes)
Posted by Reindl Harald <h....@thelounge.net>.
Am 08.03.2014 01:38, schrieb Noel Butler:
> This will be dealt with off list
with the words below which are only a part of the off-list reply
and this person is allowed to maintain a RBL in australia and
so anybody using "bl.alt-backspace.org" should re-consider that
Noel Butler:
>> listen you cock sucking little fucking faggot cunt, fuclk off with your fucking
>> hollier than though fucking shit ok cuntface you are a nobody on any list depsite
>> the fact you think you are, you have no fucknig right to ask anyone to type the
>> way you want ok cunt eyes, just fuck off and spew your fucking shit....
is a psychopathic reaction to the the simple question post in plaintext and
was the direct repsone to that off-list reply to Noel
> On 08/03/2014 10:49, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>> if you fail to heed that warning your the only one who will regret it
>> stop your personal vendetta - the only one playing internet cop is you
>>
>> i have asked in a nice way to not post HTML and explained why
>> the other person had no problem with my question / hin
> -------- Original-Nachricht --------
> Betreff: Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes
> Datum: Fri, 07 Mar 2014 18:24:26 +0100
> Von: Reindl Harald <h....@thelounge.net>
> Antwort an: dev@httpd.apache.org
> An: dev@httpd.apache.org
>
> Am 07.03.2014 18:07, schrieb Yann Ylavic
>
> can you please post plaintext instead HTML to lists
>
> for me such messages are unreadable after medical operations
> on both eyes because you override my MUA font settings
> On 08/03/2014 09:51, Reindl Harald wrote:
>
>> what exactly is your personal problem?
>>>> can you please post plaintext instead HTML to lists
>> you did see the word "please"?
>>>> for me such messages are unreadable after medical operations on both eyes because you override my MUA font settings
>> you understood that reason?
>>
>> i follow that thread longer honestly interested
>> there where a few HTML respones and *all* oft hem left unread
>> because they contained a lot of content
>>>> he has been warned about playing net cop
>> who do you think you are calling others net cop because they ask for
>> easier readable posts while you are the one proven to playing net cop
>> due maintaining a RBL?
>>>> Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list
>> is the response you should have been attacking
>>
>> Am 08.03.2014 00:39, schrieb Noel Butler:
>>> Harry, you have been warned before, dont bring your antics onto this list, this is about the only list you have
>>> been most well behaved on, unlike others, please remember our previous conversations. If you think a posters
>>> post violates some RFC, ignore it, or take it up with him in private, do not pollute this list with your
>>> bullshit. Thank you :) On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 19:13 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>>>> Am 07.03.2014 18:58, schrieb Mikhail T.:
>>>>> On 07.03.2014 12:28, Yann Ylavic wrote:
>>>>>> Sorry, this was posted from gmail...
>>>>> Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list that use of HTML is something to apologize for?
>>>> nearly any mailing-list has it written clear, some even reject HTML and on some others you get warned by the
>>>> owner (postfix as example) https://www.google.com/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+plaintext+only
>>>> https://www.google.at/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+no+html _____________________
>>>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.htmlNote: Spam filters don't like messages with empty Subjects;
>>>> just use e.g. "subscribe" or "unsubscribe". Spam filters are also more likely to reject HTML-formatted
>>>> messages; please use plain text
>>>>> With all due sympathies to Reindl's medical condition, why must we -- in the second decade of the 21st century
>>>>> -- deny ourselves the means of expression afforded by HTML on this list?
>>>> because the message had no single HTML formatting and was written in plain but as HTML may be a godd reason it
>>>> hardly makes sense to write email in HTML, they just explode after some replies/quotes and forwardings with
>>>> different clients while a conversation in plaintext survises thousands of replies without lose a sane quoting
Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children processes)
Posted by Noel Butler <no...@ausics.net>.
This will be dealt with off list
On 08/03/2014 09:51, Reindl Harald wrote:
> what exactly is your personal problem?
> can you please post plaintext instead HTML to lists
you did see the word "please"?
>> for me such messages are unreadable after medical operations on both eyes because you override my MUA font settings
you understood that reason?
i follow that thread longer honestly interested
there where a few HTML respones and *all* oft hem left unread
because they contained a lot of content
>> he has been warned about playing net cop
who do you think you are calling others net cop because they ask for
easier readable posts while you are the one proven to playing net cop
due maintaining a RBL?
>> Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list
is the response you should have been attacking
Am 08.03.2014 00:39, schrieb Noel Butler:
> Harry, you have been warned before, dont bring your antics onto this list, this is about the only list you have been most well behaved on, unlike others, please remember our previous conversations. If you think a posters post violates some RFC, ignore it, or take it up with him in private, do not pollute this list with your bullshit. Thank you :) On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 19:13 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote: Am 07.03.2014 18:58, schrieb Mikhail T.: On 07.03.2014 12:28, Yann Ylavic wrote: Sorry, this was posted from gmail... Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list that use of HTML is something to apologize for?
nearly any mailing-list has it written clear, some even reject HTML and
on some others you get warned by the owner (postfix as example)
https://www.google.com/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+plaintext+only
[1] https://www.google.at/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+no+html [2]
_____________________ http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html
[3]Note: Spam filters don't like messages with empty Subjects; just use
e.g. "subscribe" or "unsubscribe". Spam filters are also more likely to
reject HTML-formatted messages; please use plain text
> With all due sympathies to Reindl's medical condition, why must we -- in the second decade of the 21st century -- deny ourselves the means of expression afforded by HTML on this list?
because the message had no single HTML formatting and was written in
plain but as HTML may be a godd reason it hardly makes sense to write
email in HTML, they just explode after some replies/quotes and
forwardings with different clients while a conversation in plaintext
survises thousands of replies without lose a sane quoting
Links:
------
[1]
https://www.google.com/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+plaintext+only
[2] https://www.google.at/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+no+html
[3] http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html
Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children
processes)
Posted by Reindl Harald <h....@thelounge.net>.
what exactly is your personal problem?
>> can you please post plaintext instead HTML to lists
you did see the word "please"?
>> for me such messages are unreadable after medical operations
>> on both eyes because you override my MUA font settings
you understood that reason?
i follow that thread longer honestly interested
there where a few HTML respones and *all* oft hem left unread
because they contained a lot of content
>> he has been warned about playing net cop
who do you think you are calling others net cop because they ask for
easier readable posts while you are the one proven to playing net cop
due maintaining a RBL?
>> Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list
is the response you should have been attacking
Am 08.03.2014 00:39, schrieb Noel Butler:
> Harry, you have been warned before, dont bring your antics onto this list, this is about the only list you have
> been most well behaved on, unlike others, please remember our previous conversations. If you think a posters post
> violates some RFC, ignore it, or take it up with him in private, do not pollute this list with your bullshit.
>
> Thank you :)
>
> On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 19:13 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
>> Am 07.03.2014 18:58, schrieb Mikhail T.:
>> > On 07.03.2014 12:28, Yann Ylavic wrote:
>> >> Sorry, this was posted from gmail...
>> > Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list
>> > that use of HTML is something to apologize for?
>>
>> nearly any mailing-list has it written clear, some even reject HTML
>> and on some others you get warned by the owner (postfix as example)
>>
>> https://www.google.com/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+plaintext+only
>> https://www.google.at/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+no+html
>> _____________________
>>
>> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html
>>
>> Note: Spam filters don't like messages with empty Subjects; just use e.g.
>> "subscribe" or "unsubscribe". Spam filters are also more likely to reject
>> HTML-formatted messages; please use plain text
>>
>> > With all due sympathies to Reindl's medical condition, why must we --
>> > in the second decade of the 21st century -- deny ourselves the means
>> > of expression afforded by HTML on this list?
>>
>> because the message had no single HTML formatting and
>> was written in plain but as HTML may be a godd reason
>>
>> it hardly makes sense to write email in HTML, they just
>> explode after some replies/quotes and forwardings with
>> different clients while a conversation in plaintext
>> survises thousands of replies without lose a sane quoting
Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children
processes)
Posted by Noel Butler <no...@ausics.net>.
Harry, you have been warned before, dont bring your antics onto this
list, this is about the only list you have been most well behaved on,
unlike others, please remember our previous conversations. If you think
a posters post violates some RFC, ignore it, or take it up with him in
private, do not pollute this list with your bullshit.
Thank you :)
On Fri, 2014-03-07 at 19:13 +0100, Reindl Harald wrote:
> Am 07.03.2014 18:58, schrieb Mikhail T.:
> > On 07.03.2014 12:28, Yann Ylavic wrote:
> >> Sorry, this was posted from gmail...
> > Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list
> > that use of HTML is something to apologize for?
>
> nearly any mailing-list has it written clear, some even reject HTML
> and on some others you get warned by the owner (postfix as example)
>
> https://www.google.com/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+plaintext+only
> https://www.google.at/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+no+html
> _____________________
>
> http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html
>
> Note: Spam filters don't like messages with empty Subjects; just use e.g.
> "subscribe" or "unsubscribe". Spam filters are also more likely to reject
> HTML-formatted messages; please use plain text
>
> > With all due sympathies to Reindl's medical condition, why must we --
> > in the second decade of the 21st century -- deny ourselves the means
> > of expression afforded by HTML on this list?
>
> because the message had no single HTML formatting and
> was written in plain but as HTML may be a godd reason
>
> it hardly makes sense to write email in HTML, they just
> explode after some replies/quotes and forwardings with
> different clients while a conversation in plaintext
> survises thousands of replies without lose a sane quoting
>
Re: Use of HTML on mailing lists (Re: SO_REUSEPORT in the children
processes)
Posted by Reindl Harald <h....@thelounge.net>.
Am 07.03.2014 18:58, schrieb Mikhail T.:
> On 07.03.2014 12:28, Yann Ylavic wrote:
>> Sorry, this was posted from gmail...
> Is it written anywhere in the bylaws of this mailing list
> that use of HTML is something to apologize for?
nearly any mailing-list has it written clear, some even reject HTML
and on some others you get warned by the owner (postfix as example)
https://www.google.com/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+plaintext+only
https://www.google.at/search?q=mailing+list+etiquette+no+html
_____________________
http://www.apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html
Note: Spam filters don't like messages with empty Subjects; just use e.g.
"subscribe" or "unsubscribe". Spam filters are also more likely to reject
HTML-formatted messages; please use plain text
> With all due sympathies to Reindl's medical condition, why must we --
> in the second decade of the 21st century -- deny ourselves the means
> of expression afforded by HTML on this list?
because the message had no single HTML formatting and
was written in plain but as HTML may be a godd reason
it hardly makes sense to write email in HTML, they just
explode after some replies/quotes and forwardings with
different clients while a conversation in plaintext
survises thousands of replies without lose a sane quoting