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Posted to dev@xalan.apache.org by Carlos Araya <ca...@cvc.edu> on 2002/02/06 23:20:15 UTC

Re: Second call: Does anyone still really require Java 1.1 support?

On 02/06/02 13:16, "Gunnlaugur Thor Briem" <gt...@dimon.is> wrote:

> Hi,
> 
> here's one community vote saying "drop it yesterday".
Here's a vote for think carefully what your dropping, when are you doing it,
and how will it affect developers and end users.

> 
> Those users still clinging to Java 1.1 (either because
> of arcane platforms or just plain upgradeophobia) are
> probably (hopefully?) a pretty small proportion of the
> Xalan user base, and anyway they already have a well
> functional, stable 1.1-compatible release, Xalan 2.2
> (plus the option, in the case of MacOS 9 users, of
> upgrading to an actual operating system :)
Some of us do not have the luxury of dictating what our customers would use,
How I wish it was different sometimes. So what you're saying if I understand
correctly is from 2.3 on screw everyone who is limited on the platforms they
can deploy in and let's only worry about the cutting edge. That makes for a
very lousy development strategy.

Another thing that annoyed the hell out of me is that you're saying upgrade
like it was as easy as upgrading Linux or something. Most of the people who
are using OS 9 in my experience are people who can't upgrade to OS X (the
real operating system) even if they wanted to.

> 
> It's not worth holding on to stone-age compatibility
> forever, at the cost of performance and development
> ease. And there will always be cries of despair from
> the paleolithic contingent, no matter how long we wait.
> I say it's been plenty long enough already.
And a little more tact wouldn't hurt either. If people think they've been
waiting long enough, they could always have striped the source from all the
JDK 1.1X stuff a long time ago.

> 
> Cheers,
> 
> - Gulli
> 

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