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Posted to dev@netbeans.apache.org by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> on 2018/12/18 14:45:55 UTC
Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
As wanted, this is a new discussion based on the Release of Apache NetBeans 10.
Why are the tags only the source Code? We should have the release there too? I clicked on the zip Archive and downloaded, because I thought it is the release but it is only the source Code. The release section should be the release/build artifact too. This is how the Release section is working. And if someone is using GitHub and Looks into the Releases they expect the binary/installer or in our case the portable Version of NetBeans.
Cheers
Chris
Re: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
Thanks Eduardo, it's a nice thread!
--emi
http://coolbeans.xyz/ - CoolBeans: An IDE for Java, JavaEE, PHP and more!
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 8:28 PM Eduardo Quintanilla
<eq...@bnext.mx> wrote:
>
> Related topic in the Incubator mailing list: How to review so-called "binary releases"?
> https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ceb357513ff0403414b5fff7dbeb1ea43961e71f9e48425d6e3cea8f@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
>
> Eduardo Quintanilla
> Software Developer
> Block Networks
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
> Sent: martes, 18 de diciembre de 2018 12:11 p. m.
> To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
>
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 17:58, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > > Yes I know that, but it is still public and everyone can see it
> >
> > The parliament proceedings are still (mostly) public for everyone to
> > see, but people only really care about the final law.
> >
> > Laws also get various drafts, failed votes, last minute changes, etc.
>
> +1 to this - having our processes open is good. GitHub is not where
> this matters, or where users are expected to go to get the IDE, that is netbeans.apache.org
>
> But it would be good to make sure the vc is also tagged as 10.0 as soon as the release is public.
>
> As someone in the UK right now, parliamentary proceedings is not the metaphor I would have chosen! ;-)
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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RE: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
Posted by Eduardo Quintanilla <eq...@bnext.mx>.
Related topic in the Incubator mailing list: How to review so-called "binary releases"?
https://lists.apache.org/thread.html/ceb357513ff0403414b5fff7dbeb1ea43961e71f9e48425d6e3cea8f@%3Cgeneral.incubator.apache.org%3E
Eduardo Quintanilla
Software Developer
Block NetworksÂ
-----Original Message-----
From: Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>
Sent: martes, 18 de diciembre de 2018 12:11 p. m.
To: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 17:58, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes I know that, but it is still public and everyone can see it
>
> The parliament proceedings are still (mostly) public for everyone to
> see, but people only really care about the final law.
>
> Laws also get various drafts, failed votes, last minute changes, etc.
+1 to this - having our processes open is good. GitHub is not where
this matters, or where users are expected to go to get the IDE, that is netbeans.apache.org
But it would be good to make sure the vc is also tagged as 10.0 as soon as the release is public.
As someone in the UK right now, parliamentary proceedings is not the metaphor I would have chosen! ;-)
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018 at 17:58, Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Yes I know that, but it is still public and everyone can see it
>
> The parliament proceedings are still (mostly) public for everyone to
> see, but people only really care about the final law.
>
> Laws also get various drafts, failed votes, last minute changes, etc.
+1 to this - having our processes open is good. GitHub is not where
this matters, or where users are expected to go to get the IDE, that
is netbeans.apache.org
But it would be good to make sure the vc is also tagged as 10.0 as
soon as the release is public.
As someone in the UK right now, parliamentary proceedings is not the
metaphor I would have chosen! ;-)
Best wishes,
Neil
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Re: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
Posted by Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>.
> Yes I know that, but it is still public and everyone can see it
The parliament proceedings are still (mostly) public for everyone to
see, but people only really care about the final law.
Laws also get various drafts, failed votes, last minute changes, etc.
> The release section should be the release/build artifact too
Might have to do with Apache Foundation only releasing 'source code'.
It's a bad choice for user-facing software (and even for libraries
which get consumed via their Maven binary artefacts), but it's
Apache's rules so what can we do about it.
--emi
http://coolbeans.xyz/ - CoolBeans: An IDE for Java, JavaEE, PHP and more!
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 5:34 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net> wrote:
>
> Yes I know that, but it is still public and everyone can see it. So it could be, that the users think that the VC is the RC I mean in General it is, IMHO. I think it can confuse People and if it is still intern, we should treat it as that.Github is one of the biggest repos for Code and released applications. Just saying,
>
>
>
> Von: Neil C Smith
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2018 16:08
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
>
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 14:53 Christian Lenz <christian.lenz@gmx.net wrote:
>
> > And to bring it up again, as this was said often, the VC is confusing for
> > users who are not inside of the Apache Business.
> >
>
> The VC is only internal. It's not released yet until the vote passes. At
> which point the VC suffix should be removed and not visible as far as end
> users are concerned.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
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AW: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
Ok I can.
I only remembered, that I already brought this discussion at the beginning of NetBeans 10 smth like that.
And for me, it was part of the Voting, because it is not similar to the other Releases like 7.0, 8.0, 9.0. I don’t know why we changed it to 10 instead of 10.0. But ok, will bring it up on 11 again.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Geertjan Wielenga
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2018 16:38
An: dev
Betreff: Re: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
We're not going to discuss or change release numbering patterns in the
middle of a release.
Can you put this discussion aside for the moment, and raise it again if you
like when we work on Apache NetBeans 11, and in the meantime focus on what
needs to be focused on: voting on vc5.
Thanks,
Gj
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 3:34 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:
> Yes I know that, but it is still public and everyone can see it. So it
> could be, that the users think that the VC is the RC I mean in General it
> is, IMHO. I think it can confuse People and if it is still intern, we
> should treat it as that.Github is one of the biggest repos for Code and
> released applications. Just saying,
>
>
>
> Von: Neil C Smith
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2018 16:08
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
>
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 14:53 Christian Lenz <christian.lenz@gmx.net wrote:
>
> > And to bring it up again, as this was said often, the VC is confusing for
> > users who are not inside of the Apache Business.
> >
>
> The VC is only internal. It's not released yet until the vote passes. At
> which point the VC suffix should be removed and not visible as far as end
> users are concerned.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
>
Re: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
Posted by Geertjan Wielenga <ge...@googlemail.com.INVALID>.
We're not going to discuss or change release numbering patterns in the
middle of a release.
Can you put this discussion aside for the moment, and raise it again if you
like when we work on Apache NetBeans 11, and in the meantime focus on what
needs to be focused on: voting on vc5.
Thanks,
Gj
On Tue, Dec 18, 2018 at 3:34 PM Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:
> Yes I know that, but it is still public and everyone can see it. So it
> could be, that the users think that the VC is the RC I mean in General it
> is, IMHO. I think it can confuse People and if it is still intern, we
> should treat it as that.Github is one of the biggest repos for Code and
> released applications. Just saying,
>
>
>
> Von: Neil C Smith
> Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2018 16:08
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
>
> On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 14:53 Christian Lenz <christian.lenz@gmx.net wrote:
>
> > And to bring it up again, as this was said often, the VC is confusing for
> > users who are not inside of the Apache Business.
> >
>
> The VC is only internal. It's not released yet until the vote passes. At
> which point the VC suffix should be removed and not visible as far as end
> users are concerned.
>
> Best wishes,
>
> Neil
>
>
AW: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
Yes I know that, but it is still public and everyone can see it. So it could be, that the users think that the VC is the RC I mean in General it is, IMHO. I think it can confuse People and if it is still intern, we should treat it as that.Github is one of the biggest repos for Code and released applications. Just saying,
Von: Neil C Smith
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2018 16:08
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 14:53 Christian Lenz <christian.lenz@gmx.net wrote:
> And to bring it up again, as this was said often, the VC is confusing for
> users who are not inside of the Apache Business.
>
The VC is only internal. It's not released yet until the vote passes. At
which point the VC suffix should be removed and not visible as far as end
users are concerned.
Best wishes,
Neil
Re: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
Posted by Neil C Smith <ne...@apache.org>.
On Tue, 18 Dec 2018, 14:53 Christian Lenz <christian.lenz@gmx.net wrote:
> And to bring it up again, as this was said often, the VC is confusing for
> users who are not inside of the Apache Business.
>
The VC is only internal. It's not released yet until the vote passes. At
which point the VC suffix should be removed and not visible as far as end
users are concerned.
Best wishes,
Neil
AW: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
Posted by Christian Lenz <ch...@gmx.net>.
And to bring it up again, as this was said often, the VC is confusing for users who are not inside of the Apache Business. I thought we are treated it only for internal process, but it is open to see for everyone.
And the third Thing is again the Version number. I thought we will comunicate NetBeans 10 to the public and intern we will have 10.0 but no, 10.0 is still for the public too. So again, I would suggest to have it as the old way 10.0, but for this, we should Change the Splash screen. It is confusing, sometimes we are Talking About 10 and sometimes About 10.0 which is also 100, etc.
So Nothing internal, Nothing external, it should be the same, everywhere.
Cheers
Chris
Von: Christian Lenz
Gesendet: Dienstag, 18. Dezember 2018 15:46
An: dev@netbeans.apache.org
Betreff: Regarding to Release Apache NetBeans 10
As wanted, this is a new discussion based on the Release of Apache NetBeans 10.
Why are the tags only the source Code? We should have the release there too? I clicked on the zip Archive and downloaded, because I thought it is the release but it is only the source Code. The release section should be the release/build artifact too. This is how the Release section is working. And if someone is using GitHub and Looks into the Releases they expect the binary/installer or in our case the portable Version of NetBeans.
Cheers
Chris