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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Foong Tzer <tz...@see-consulting.com> on 2002/11/25 14:31:26 UTC
Struts: a Graphic Artist blessing or curse?
Dear Struts supporter,
There seems to be a real world problem with using Struts (well, not
really Struts, but JSP Tag Libraries). It seems despite zero java coding
on the JSP pages, those 'funny' tags are still not digest-able by average
graphic designers. I mean, if they were to use Macromedia DreamWeaver, it
would not've rendered the look and feel if the tags were something like
this: -
<html:img page="/nice.gif" altKey="Nice"/>
<html:html locale="true"> </html:html>
<html:link page="/another.jsp"><bean:message
key="another.title"/></html:link>
As opposed to the native standard HTML tags?
I'm really not sure whether Macromedia or any other popular graphic
artiste tool would render these Struts JSP pages properly. Anybody here
has any experience solving this real world problem?
Thanks. Any help would be much appreciated.
Regards,
Tzer
tzer@see-consulting.com
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RE: Struts: a Graphic Artist blessing or curse?
Posted by Míguel Ángel Mulero Martínez <mi...@mad.tecsidel.es>.
Have you looked at this?
http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs/doc/ultradev4-doc/intro.html
I don't have tried it, so if you do it please comment to group.
> -----Mensaje original-----
> De: Foong Tzer [mailto:tzer@see-consulting.com]
> Enviado el: lunes, 25 de noviembre de 2002 14:31
> Para: Struts Users Mailing List; Struts Users Mailing List
> Asunto: Struts: a Graphic Artist blessing or curse?
>
>
> Dear Struts supporter,
>
> There seems to be a real world problem with using Struts (well, not
> really Struts, but JSP Tag Libraries). It seems despite zero java coding
> on the JSP pages, those 'funny' tags are still not digest-able by average
> graphic designers. I mean, if they were to use Macromedia DreamWeaver, it
> would not've rendered the look and feel if the tags were something like
> this: -
>
> <html:img page="/nice.gif" altKey="Nice"/>
>
> <html:html locale="true"> </html:html>
>
> <html:link page="/another.jsp"><bean:message
> key="another.title"/></html:link>
>
>
> As opposed to the native standard HTML tags?
>
> I'm really not sure whether Macromedia or any other popular graphic
> artiste tool would render these Struts JSP pages properly. Anybody here
> has any experience solving this real world problem?
>
> Thanks. Any help would be much appreciated.
> Regards,
>
> Tzer
> tzer@see-consulting.com
>
> Is J2EE messing up your mind?
> http://www.see-consulting.com
>
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Re: Struts: a Graphic Artist blessing or curse?
Posted by "Craig R. McClanahan" <cr...@apache.org>.
On Mon, 25 Nov 2002, Foong Tzer wrote:
> Date: Mon, 25 Nov 2002 05:31:26 -0800
> From: Foong Tzer <tz...@see-consulting.com>
> Reply-To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>,
> Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Subject: Struts: a Graphic Artist blessing or curse?
>
> Dear Struts supporter,
>
> There seems to be a real world problem with using Struts (well, not
> really Struts, but JSP Tag Libraries). It seems despite zero java coding
> on the JSP pages, those 'funny' tags are still not digest-able by average
> graphic designers. I mean, if they were to use Macromedia DreamWeaver, it
> would not've rendered the look and feel if the tags were something like
> this: -
>
> <html:img page="/nice.gif" altKey="Nice"/>
>
> <html:html locale="true"> </html:html>
>
> <html:link page="/another.jsp"><bean:message
> key="another.title"/></html:link>
>
>
> As opposed to the native standard HTML tags?
>
> I'm really not sure whether Macromedia or any other popular graphic
> artiste tool would render these Struts JSP pages properly. Anybody here
> has any experience solving this real world problem?
>
> Thanks. Any help would be much appreciated.
One feature of Ultradev that is very valuable here is called "live data
mode". In the case of JSP pages, it uses Tomcat behind the scenes to
actually run the page, and the user is editing the GUI version of the page
without necessarily understanding that this is happening.
There's an Ultradev plugin available at Apache that enables GUI-based
editing of any JSP custom tag library (not just Struts tags) at the
Jakarta Taglibs project:
http://jakarta.apache.org/taglibs/doc/ultradev4-doc/intro.html
That is worth checking out.
> Regards,
>
> Tzer
> tzer@see-consulting.com
>
Craig
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Re: Struts: a Graphic Artist blessing or curse?
Posted by "Daniel H. F. e Silva" <dh...@yahoo.com>.
Hi Foong,
After some headaches and some experience, i do the following:
1 - We (developers and programmers) write a clear requirement doc about a graphical interface,
with all data that will be displayed, data type and this kind of stuff.
2 - Our designers develop all graphical interface based on that requirement doc, using their
prefered IDE. Result will be pure HTML containing all data specified at requirement doc, but sure,
these data will be like "foo bar" data. Just necessary data to show all interface features will be
present. This process is a kind of pair programming (one graphical designer and one developer) to
guarantee that all requirements will be achieved.
3 - We (developers and programmer), as we know HTML and as we developed together with designers,
integrate all real code to get all data that has to be showed.
Well, i don't know if this is the best approach. But it have been working here at my job for a
long time.
Tips? New experiences? I'd like to hear about them.
Best regards,
Daniel.
--- Foong Tzer <tz...@see-consulting.com> wrote:
> Dear Struts supporter,
>
> There seems to be a real world problem with using Struts (well, not
> really Struts, but JSP Tag Libraries). It seems despite zero java coding
> on the JSP pages, those 'funny' tags are still not digest-able by average
> graphic designers. I mean, if they were to use Macromedia DreamWeaver, it
> would not've rendered the look and feel if the tags were something like
> this: -
>
> <html:img page="/nice.gif" altKey="Nice"/>
>
> <html:html locale="true"> </html:html>
>
> <html:link page="/another.jsp"><bean:message
> key="another.title"/></html:link>
>
>
> As opposed to the native standard HTML tags?
>
> I'm really not sure whether Macromedia or any other popular graphic
> artiste tool would render these Struts JSP pages properly. Anybody here
> has any experience solving this real world problem?
>
> Thanks. Any help would be much appreciated.
> Regards,
>
> Tzer
> tzer@see-consulting.com
>
> Is J2EE messing up your mind?
> http://www.see-consulting.com
>
> --
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> love email again
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