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Posted to users@openoffice.apache.org by l x <lx...@gmail.com> on 2012/05/09 07:21:12 UTC
Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Hi all,
I'm Xin Li, I have been an UX designer for Symphony and I'm very glad to
join ooo-users mailing list. I'd love to focus on AOO user experience work
in the future.
Welcome to send UX issues to Kevin and me to communicate, thanks! :)
--
Best regards,
Xin Li 李欣
UX designer
Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Doug,
I agree, each product has good stuff.
Please capture and share any thoughts on the key areas where you feel we
could improve AOO's usability.
Regards,
Kevin
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Doug Hovelson <do...@msn.com>wrote:
>
> Interesting. I like both AOO and Symphony - Symphony is easier to use in
> my opinion. More limited, but still very good.
>
> Doug Hovelson
>
>
> doughovelson@msn.com
>
>
> 612-722-5501 Telephone
>
>
> 612-605-2296 Fax
>
>
> Public Relations Specialist
>
>
>
> Big Thunder Public Relationshttp://www.bigthunderpr.com
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:59:48 +0800
> > Subject: Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
> > From: kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com
> > To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> >
> > Doug,
> >
> > Good question.
> >
> > Last year, IBM announced that it would contribute Symphony code to the
> AOO
> > project. I'll defer to the business types to provide the full details.
> >
> > I can speak to the AOO user experience opportunties. When this code
> > contribution is available, there could be an opportunity to migrate or
> > merge any aspects of the user experience that compliment the existing AOO
> > offering and will enhance the AOO user experience. Hey, choice is good ;)
> >
> > Such enhancements, similar to any proposed AOO design enhancements, must
> be
> > focused on realizing our user's core use cases.
> >
> > Finally, all enhancements are subject to AOO community approval.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kevin
> >
> > AOO User Experience Design
> >
> >
> >
> > On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Doug Hovelson <doughovelson@msn.com
> >wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > Is Symphony being de-emphasized?
> > >
> > > Doug Hovelson
> > >
> > >
> > > doughovelson@msn.com
> > >
> > >
> > > 612-722-5501 Telephone
> > >
> > >
> > > 612-605-2296 Fax
> > >
> > >
> > > Public Relations Specialist
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Big Thunder Public Relationshttp://www.bigthunderpr.com
> > >
> > >
> > > > Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:40:20 +0800
> > > > Subject: Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
> > > > From: kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com
> > > > To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> > > > CC: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > > >
> > > > Great to see such interest and passion in UX. We're excitied to
> > > > reinvigorate the UX effort and look forward to everyone's
> contribution.
> > > >
> > > > Any enhancements to the AOO UI and user experience moving forward,
> > > whether
> > > > adopted from the Symphony code base, opportunities for improvement
> > > > identified from AOO user feedback, or great ideas from within the AOO
> > > > community will need to compliment the existing offering, align with
> our
> > > > user's needs and criteria for success. We will subscribe to a
> > > user-centered
> > > > design methodology.
> > > >
> > > > Product development requires a balance of exploitation and
> incremental
> > > > enhancement of the existing code base, while exploring new and
> innovative
> > > > implementations. Together we can define such balance.
> > > >
> > > > UX is currently refreshing the UX wiki, and will send out link to the
> > > > updated pages and new UX work products soon.
> > > >
> > > > Regards,
> > > > Kevin
> > > >
> > > > AOO User Experience Design
> > >
> > >
>
>
RE: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Doug Hovelson <do...@msn.com>.
Interesting. I like both AOO and Symphony - Symphony is easier to use in my opinion. More limited, but still very good.
Doug Hovelson
doughovelson@msn.com
612-722-5501 Telephone
612-605-2296 Fax
Public Relations Specialist
Big Thunder Public Relationshttp://www.bigthunderpr.com
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:59:48 +0800
> Subject: Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
> From: kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
>
> Doug,
>
> Good question.
>
> Last year, IBM announced that it would contribute Symphony code to the AOO
> project. I'll defer to the business types to provide the full details.
>
> I can speak to the AOO user experience opportunties. When this code
> contribution is available, there could be an opportunity to migrate or
> merge any aspects of the user experience that compliment the existing AOO
> offering and will enhance the AOO user experience. Hey, choice is good ;)
>
> Such enhancements, similar to any proposed AOO design enhancements, must be
> focused on realizing our user's core use cases.
>
> Finally, all enhancements are subject to AOO community approval.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
> AOO User Experience Design
>
>
>
> On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Doug Hovelson <do...@msn.com>wrote:
>
> >
> > Is Symphony being de-emphasized?
> >
> > Doug Hovelson
> >
> >
> > doughovelson@msn.com
> >
> >
> > 612-722-5501 Telephone
> >
> >
> > 612-605-2296 Fax
> >
> >
> > Public Relations Specialist
> >
> >
> >
> > Big Thunder Public Relationshttp://www.bigthunderpr.com
> >
> >
> > > Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:40:20 +0800
> > > Subject: Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
> > > From: kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com
> > > To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> > > CC: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > >
> > > Great to see such interest and passion in UX. We're excitied to
> > > reinvigorate the UX effort and look forward to everyone's contribution.
> > >
> > > Any enhancements to the AOO UI and user experience moving forward,
> > whether
> > > adopted from the Symphony code base, opportunities for improvement
> > > identified from AOO user feedback, or great ideas from within the AOO
> > > community will need to compliment the existing offering, align with our
> > > user's needs and criteria for success. We will subscribe to a
> > user-centered
> > > design methodology.
> > >
> > > Product development requires a balance of exploitation and incremental
> > > enhancement of the existing code base, while exploring new and innovative
> > > implementations. Together we can define such balance.
> > >
> > > UX is currently refreshing the UX wiki, and will send out link to the
> > > updated pages and new UX work products soon.
> > >
> > > Regards,
> > > Kevin
> > >
> > > AOO User Experience Design
> >
> >
Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Doug,
Good question.
Last year, IBM announced that it would contribute Symphony code to the AOO
project. I'll defer to the business types to provide the full details.
I can speak to the AOO user experience opportunties. When this code
contribution is available, there could be an opportunity to migrate or
merge any aspects of the user experience that compliment the existing AOO
offering and will enhance the AOO user experience. Hey, choice is good ;)
Such enhancements, similar to any proposed AOO design enhancements, must be
focused on realizing our user's core use cases.
Finally, all enhancements are subject to AOO community approval.
Regards,
Kevin
AOO User Experience Design
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:46 AM, Doug Hovelson <do...@msn.com>wrote:
>
> Is Symphony being de-emphasized?
>
> Doug Hovelson
>
>
> doughovelson@msn.com
>
>
> 612-722-5501 Telephone
>
>
> 612-605-2296 Fax
>
>
> Public Relations Specialist
>
>
>
> Big Thunder Public Relationshttp://www.bigthunderpr.com
>
>
> > Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:40:20 +0800
> > Subject: Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
> > From: kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com
> > To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> > CC: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> >
> > Great to see such interest and passion in UX. We're excitied to
> > reinvigorate the UX effort and look forward to everyone's contribution.
> >
> > Any enhancements to the AOO UI and user experience moving forward,
> whether
> > adopted from the Symphony code base, opportunities for improvement
> > identified from AOO user feedback, or great ideas from within the AOO
> > community will need to compliment the existing offering, align with our
> > user's needs and criteria for success. We will subscribe to a
> user-centered
> > design methodology.
> >
> > Product development requires a balance of exploitation and incremental
> > enhancement of the existing code base, while exploring new and innovative
> > implementations. Together we can define such balance.
> >
> > UX is currently refreshing the UX wiki, and will send out link to the
> > updated pages and new UX work products soon.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kevin
> >
> > AOO User Experience Design
>
>
RE: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Doug Hovelson <do...@msn.com>.
Is Symphony being de-emphasized?
Doug Hovelson
doughovelson@msn.com
612-722-5501 Telephone
612-605-2296 Fax
Public Relations Specialist
Big Thunder Public Relationshttp://www.bigthunderpr.com
> Date: Thu, 10 May 2012 10:40:20 +0800
> Subject: Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
> From: kevingrignon.oo@gmail.com
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> CC: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
>
> Great to see such interest and passion in UX. We're excitied to
> reinvigorate the UX effort and look forward to everyone's contribution.
>
> Any enhancements to the AOO UI and user experience moving forward, whether
> adopted from the Symphony code base, opportunities for improvement
> identified from AOO user feedback, or great ideas from within the AOO
> community will need to compliment the existing offering, align with our
> user's needs and criteria for success. We will subscribe to a user-centered
> design methodology.
>
> Product development requires a balance of exploitation and incremental
> enhancement of the existing code base, while exploring new and innovative
> implementations. Together we can define such balance.
>
> UX is currently refreshing the UX wiki, and will send out link to the
> updated pages and new UX work products soon.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
> AOO User Experience Design
Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Fernando,
I hear you. Your point is important.
Let's all work together to ensure that the design direction meets our
user's needs and align's with AOO criteria for success.
Onward...
Kevin
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:51 AM, Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Kevin Grignon
> <ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > Product development requires a balance of exploitation and incremental
> > enhancement of the existing code base, while exploring new and innovative
> > implementations. Together we can define such balance.
>
> Sounds reasonable, Kevin. My comment wrt Symphony was just to avoid
> radical change to the UI from one version to another that might annoy
> long-time users. Incremental and small improvements is good.
>
> FC
> --
> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a
> revolutionary act
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Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:40 PM, Kevin Grignon
<ke...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Product development requires a balance of exploitation and incremental
> enhancement of the existing code base, while exploring new and innovative
> implementations. Together we can define such balance.
Sounds reasonable, Kevin. My comment wrt Symphony was just to avoid
radical change to the UI from one version to another that might annoy
long-time users. Incremental and small improvements is good.
FC
--
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
Acto Revolucionario
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Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Joe,
Thanks for the feedback.
Agreed, one team is best.
Regards,
Kevin
User Experience Designer
On Thu, May 10, 2012 at 10:56 AM, Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>wrote:
> From my perspective it's been a welcome change from the old way
> to see this PPMC operate as one big team, and not as a collection
> of little fiefdoms breaking up bits of control over various bits of the
> codebase.
>
> Apache projects work best IME when there are no boundaries for
> committers to cross when working on different aspects of the tree.
> It has been a successful experiment to date with this PPMC AFAICT,
> so lets not start setting up interior walls and barriers between
> contributors.
>
> A UX-focused interest group? Why not. But a User Experience Design
> Team? Let's avoid promoting that idea please. The only teams we should
> talk about are the group of committers or the PPMC.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>
> > To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> > Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 10:40 PM
> > Subject: Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
> >
> >G reat to see such interest and passion in UX. We're excitied to
> > reinvigorate the UX effort and look forward to everyone's contribution.
> >
> > Any enhancements to the AOO UI and user experience moving forward,
> whether
> > adopted from the Symphony code base, opportunities for improvement
> > identified from AOO user feedback, or great ideas from within the AOO
> > community will need to compliment the existing offering, align with our
> > user's needs and criteria for success. We will subscribe to a
> user-centered
> > design methodology.
> >
> > Product development requires a balance of exploitation and incremental
> > enhancement of the existing code base, while exploring new and innovative
> > implementations. Together we can define such balance.
> >
> > UX is currently refreshing the UX wiki, and will send out link to the
> > updated pages and new UX work products soon.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Kevin
> >
> > AOO User Experience Design
> >
>
Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>.
>From my perspective it's been a welcome change from the old way
to see this PPMC operate as one big team, and not as a collection
of little fiefdoms breaking up bits of control over various bits of the
codebase.
Apache projects work best IME when there are no boundaries for
committers to cross when working on different aspects of the tree.
It has been a successful experiment to date with this PPMC AFAICT,
so lets not start setting up interior walls and barriers between
contributors.
A UX-focused interest group? Why not. But a User Experience Design
Team? Let's avoid promoting that idea please. The only teams we should
talk about are the group of committers or the PPMC.
----- Original Message -----
> From: Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 10:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
>
>G reat to see such interest and passion in UX. We're excitied to
> reinvigorate the UX effort and look forward to everyone's contribution.
>
> Any enhancements to the AOO UI and user experience moving forward, whether
> adopted from the Symphony code base, opportunities for improvement
> identified from AOO user feedback, or great ideas from within the AOO
> community will need to compliment the existing offering, align with our
> user's needs and criteria for success. We will subscribe to a user-centered
> design methodology.
>
> Product development requires a balance of exploitation and incremental
> enhancement of the existing code base, while exploring new and innovative
> implementations. Together we can define such balance.
>
> UX is currently refreshing the UX wiki, and will send out link to the
> updated pages and new UX work products soon.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
> AOO User Experience Design
>
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Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Joe Schaefer <jo...@yahoo.com>.
>From my perspective it's been a welcome change from the old way
to see this PPMC operate as one big team, and not as a collection
of little fiefdoms breaking up bits of control over various bits of the
codebase.
Apache projects work best IME when there are no boundaries for
committers to cross when working on different aspects of the tree.
It has been a successful experiment to date with this PPMC AFAICT,
so lets not start setting up interior walls and barriers between
contributors.
A UX-focused interest group? Why not. But a User Experience Design
Team? Let's avoid promoting that idea please. The only teams we should
talk about are the group of committers or the PPMC.
----- Original Message -----
> From: Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Cc: ooo-dev@incubator.apache.org
> Sent: Wednesday, May 9, 2012 10:40 PM
> Subject: Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
>
>G reat to see such interest and passion in UX. We're excitied to
> reinvigorate the UX effort and look forward to everyone's contribution.
>
> Any enhancements to the AOO UI and user experience moving forward, whether
> adopted from the Symphony code base, opportunities for improvement
> identified from AOO user feedback, or great ideas from within the AOO
> community will need to compliment the existing offering, align with our
> user's needs and criteria for success. We will subscribe to a user-centered
> design methodology.
>
> Product development requires a balance of exploitation and incremental
> enhancement of the existing code base, while exploring new and innovative
> implementations. Together we can define such balance.
>
> UX is currently refreshing the UX wiki, and will send out link to the
> updated pages and new UX work products soon.
>
> Regards,
> Kevin
>
> AOO User Experience Design
>
Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Great to see such interest and passion in UX. We're excitied to
reinvigorate the UX effort and look forward to everyone's contribution.
Any enhancements to the AOO UI and user experience moving forward, whether
adopted from the Symphony code base, opportunities for improvement
identified from AOO user feedback, or great ideas from within the AOO
community will need to compliment the existing offering, align with our
user's needs and criteria for success. We will subscribe to a user-centered
design methodology.
Product development requires a balance of exploitation and incremental
enhancement of the existing code base, while exploring new and innovative
implementations. Together we can define such balance.
UX is currently refreshing the UX wiki, and will send out link to the
updated pages and new UX work products soon.
Regards,
Kevin
AOO User Experience Design
Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Great to see such interest and passion in UX. We're excitied to
reinvigorate the UX effort and look forward to everyone's contribution.
Any enhancements to the AOO UI and user experience moving forward, whether
adopted from the Symphony code base, opportunities for improvement
identified from AOO user feedback, or great ideas from within the AOO
community will need to compliment the existing offering, align with our
user's needs and criteria for success. We will subscribe to a user-centered
design methodology.
Product development requires a balance of exploitation and incremental
enhancement of the existing code base, while exploring new and innovative
implementations. Together we can define such balance.
UX is currently refreshing the UX wiki, and will send out link to the
updated pages and new UX work products soon.
Regards,
Kevin
AOO User Experience Design
Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Dotan Cohen <do...@gmail.com> wrote:
> however I wonder if
> the FOSS resources are being spread too thin.
The LO jihad should have thought about that before hearing the call of
sirens from Novell to fork. Sun refused Novell' s Go-OO OOXML patches
for a reason: you can't advance ODF adoption by embracing your
competitor's format, but of course Meeks disagrees, and OOXML support
was one of the 'highlights' of Novell' s first Go-OO fork*. Also,
Oracle had great plans for OO.o and its commercial cousin StarOffice,
in fact, I updated my copy of StarOffice 9 to "Oracle Open Office"
(the renamed StarOffice) and was positively impressed. Sadly it' s all
water under the bridge by now.
I hope Apache takes AOO where StarOffice was (in terms of corporate
adoption) and beyond...
Just my $0.02
FC
* http://slashdot.org/story/07/10/03/1212234/sun-refuses-lgpl-for-openoffice-novell-forks
Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 11:06 AM, Dotan Cohen <do...@gmail.com> wrote:
> however I wonder if
> the FOSS resources are being spread too thin.
The LO jihad should have thought about that before hearing the call of
sirens from Novell to fork. Sun refused Novell' s Go-OO OOXML patches
for a reason: you can't advance ODF adoption by embracing your
competitor's format, but of course Meeks disagrees, and OOXML support
was one of the 'highlights' of Novell' s first Go-OO fork*. Also,
Oracle had great plans for OO.o and its commercial cousin StarOffice,
in fact, I updated my copy of StarOffice 9 to "Oracle Open Office"
(the renamed StarOffice) and was positively impressed. Sadly it' s all
water under the bridge by now.
I hope Apache takes AOO where StarOffice was (in terms of corporate
adoption) and beyond...
Just my $0.02
FC
* http://slashdot.org/story/07/10/03/1212234/sun-refuses-lgpl-for-openoffice-novell-forks
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Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Dotan Cohen <do...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:21 AM, l x <lx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm Xin Li, I have been an UX designer for Symphony and I'm very glad to
>> join ooo-users mailing list. I'd love to focus on AOO user experience work
>> in the future.
>
> As long as you don't want to turn AOO into Symphony, it's fine with
> me. In other words... you have to keep in mind that AOO users come
> from an OpenOffice.org background, and are used to its user interface.
> If they liked Symphony more they'd be Symphony users, not OO.o
>
> Translation: any changes to the AOO UI should be incremental and
> carefully thought and a radical redesign avoided at all costs.
>
> And for heaven's sake, do not repeat Microsoft's "Ribbon UI" disaster.
> CUA exists for a reason. :)
>
> FC
>
Hello, Xin. I went from OpenOffice.org to Symphony, then to
LibreOffice. Symphony had the best UI by far, even on my KDE setup.
The reason that I went to LibreOffice after a short stint with
Symphony was due to document compatibility issues, specifically
opening encrypted ODS documents and MS Office compatibility.
So you were responsible for the part of Symphony that I liked best,
and that I miss! I suspect that other's fear of changing the AOO UI is
due to the changes that Microsoft made to their office suit, not due
to IBM's changes to OO.o. I encourage you to continue your work on the
UI, quite in the direction that you took Symphony.
I wonder why you choose to associate with AOO as opposed to
LibreOffice. I could make much speculation, but rather than do such I
would love to hear your reasons. I am excited about the latest AOO
release, but I see the pace of LibreOffice development and that is
very motivating. I do not see AOO and LO as rivals, actually I think
that competition in the FOSS office suites will push them both to
develop better than they would have independently, however I wonder if
the FOSS resources are being spread too thin.
--
Dotan Cohen
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Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Dotan Cohen <do...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:21 AM, l x <lx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm Xin Li, I have been an UX designer for Symphony and I'm very glad to
>> join ooo-users mailing list. I'd love to focus on AOO user experience work
>> in the future.
>
> As long as you don't want to turn AOO into Symphony, it's fine with
> me. In other words... you have to keep in mind that AOO users come
> from an OpenOffice.org background, and are used to its user interface.
> If they liked Symphony more they'd be Symphony users, not OO.o
>
> Translation: any changes to the AOO UI should be incremental and
> carefully thought and a radical redesign avoided at all costs.
>
> And for heaven's sake, do not repeat Microsoft's "Ribbon UI" disaster.
> CUA exists for a reason. :)
>
> FC
>
Hello, Xin. I went from OpenOffice.org to Symphony, then to
LibreOffice. Symphony had the best UI by far, even on my KDE setup.
The reason that I went to LibreOffice after a short stint with
Symphony was due to document compatibility issues, specifically
opening encrypted ODS documents and MS Office compatibility.
So you were responsible for the part of Symphony that I liked best,
and that I miss! I suspect that other's fear of changing the AOO UI is
due to the changes that Microsoft made to their office suit, not due
to IBM's changes to OO.o. I encourage you to continue your work on the
UI, quite in the direction that you took Symphony.
I wonder why you choose to associate with AOO as opposed to
LibreOffice. I could make much speculation, but rather than do such I
would love to hear your reasons. I am excited about the latest AOO
release, but I see the pace of LibreOffice development and that is
very motivating. I do not see AOO and LO as rivals, actually I think
that competition in the FOSS office suites will push them both to
develop better than they would have independently, however I wonder if
the FOSS resources are being spread too thin.
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Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:21 AM, l x <lx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm Xin Li, I have been an UX designer for Symphony and I'm very glad to
> join ooo-users mailing list. I'd love to focus on AOO user experience work
> in the future.
As long as you don't want to turn AOO into Symphony, it's fine with
me. In other words... you have to keep in mind that AOO users come
from an OpenOffice.org background, and are used to its user interface.
If they liked Symphony more they'd be Symphony users, not OO.o
Translation: any changes to the AOO UI should be incremental and
carefully thought and a radical redesign avoided at all costs.
And for heaven's sake, do not repeat Microsoft's "Ribbon UI" disaster.
CUA exists for a reason. :)
FC
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Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:21 AM, l x <lx...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'm Xin Li, I have been an UX designer for Symphony and I'm very glad to
> join ooo-users mailing list. I'd love to focus on AOO user experience work
> in the future.
As long as you don't want to turn AOO into Symphony, it's fine with
me. In other words... you have to keep in mind that AOO users come
from an OpenOffice.org background, and are used to its user interface.
If they liked Symphony more they'd be Symphony users, not OO.o
Translation: any changes to the AOO UI should be incremental and
carefully thought and a radical redesign avoided at all costs.
And for heaven's sake, do not repeat Microsoft's "Ribbon UI" disaster.
CUA exists for a reason. :)
FC
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Re: ooo-users-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
Posted by Shenfeng Liu <li...@gmail.com>.
Mazza,
IBM is still supporting Symphony, and will provide critical defect fixes
through fixpack. You can go to
http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/ForumnsHome.nsf/home to raise
your questions or contact Symphony support team.
If you want to swith to Apache OpenOffice, and hope Apache OpenOffice to
resolve the issue you met, here is the right place. :)
- Simon
2012/7/8 Mazza Verdante <se...@bigpond.com>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug [mailto:dmcgarrett@optonline.net]
> Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 3:55 PM
> To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
>
> On 05/09/2012 01:21 AM, l x wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm Xin Li, I have been an UX designer for Symphony and I'm very glad to
> > join ooo-users mailing list. I'd love to focus on AOO user experience
> work
> > in the future.
> >
> > Welcome to send UX issues to Kevin and me to communicate, thanks! :)
> >
> I'm using Symphony on PCLOS, I like the fact that it is a mature
> professional-looking design, fairly easy to find things and work with.
> There are a few glitches, one of which is the loss of the
> vertical line just ahead of the text input, another is an occasional
> freeze, where you have to restart the program. Is anyone presently\
> supporting Symphony, and if so, to whom should I address these problems?
>
> Thanx for reading--doug
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Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Xin Li <lx...@gmail.com>.
hi Doug,
Thanks for supporting Symphony. And for your question, we still provide
supporting to symphony user. If you occur some questions or problems,
please submit your question on *
http://www-03.ibm.com/software/lotus/symphony/ForumnsHome.nsf/home*
Thanks:)
2012/5/9 Doug <dm...@optonline.net>
> On 05/09/2012 01:21 AM, l x wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm Xin Li, I have been an UX designer for Symphony and I'm very glad to
> > join ooo-users mailing list. I'd love to focus on AOO user experience
> work
> > in the future.
> >
> > Welcome to send UX issues to Kevin and me to communicate, thanks! :)
> >
> I'm using Symphony on PCLOS, I like the fact that it is a mature
> professional-looking design, fairly easy to find things and work with.
> There are a few glitches, one of which is the loss of the
> vertical line just ahead of the text input, another is an occasional
> freeze, where you have to restart the program. Is anyone presently\
> supporting Symphony, and if so, to whom should I address these problems?
>
> Thanx for reading--doug
>
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Posted by Mazza Verdante <se...@bigpond.com>.
-----Original Message-----
From: Doug [mailto:dmcgarrett@optonline.net]
Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 3:55 PM
To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
On 05/09/2012 01:21 AM, l x wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm Xin Li, I have been an UX designer for Symphony and I'm very glad to
> join ooo-users mailing list. I'd love to focus on AOO user experience work
> in the future.
>
> Welcome to send UX issues to Kevin and me to communicate, thanks! :)
>
I'm using Symphony on PCLOS, I like the fact that it is a mature
professional-looking design, fairly easy to find things and work with.
There are a few glitches, one of which is the loss of the
vertical line just ahead of the text input, another is an occasional
freeze, where you have to restart the program. Is anyone presently\
supporting Symphony, and if so, to whom should I address these problems?
Thanx for reading--doug
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Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by Doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 05/09/2012 01:21 AM, l x wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I'm Xin Li, I have been an UX designer for Symphony and I'm very glad to
> join ooo-users mailing list. I'd love to focus on AOO user experience work
> in the future.
>
> Welcome to send UX issues to Kevin and me to communicate, thanks! :)
>
I'm using Symphony on PCLOS, I like the fact that it is a mature
professional-looking design, fairly easy to find things and work with.
There are a few glitches, one of which is the loss of the
vertical line just ahead of the text input, another is an occasional
freeze, where you have to restart the program. Is anyone presently\
supporting Symphony, and if so, to whom should I address these problems?
Thanx for reading--doug
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Re: Whats UX ? What we talk?
Posted by Doug <dm...@optonline.net>.
On 05/12/2012 10:26 PM, Fernando Cassia wrote:
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Hugo Costa<hu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> What's UX?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_experience
>
> FC
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I had to look it up, of course. My best user experience is with
what Li did before: Symphony. I wish he were still doing it!
--doug
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Re: Whats UX ? What we talk?
Posted by Kevin Grignon <ke...@gmail.com>.
Thanks for sharing the wikipedia user experience definition link.
User experience design is an umbrella term that encompasses information
architecture, usability engineering, user interface design, interaction
design, and visual design, as components of the holistic user experience.
The goal of the AOO user experience effort is to ensure that our software
resonates with our users, and allows them to realize their goals and
accomplish their tasks, in a way that compliments their context of use,
their world.
The AOO user experience community seeks to provide guidance to the product
management, and development community to ensure that AOO offers the best
user experience possible.
Our duties include gathering user feedback, distilling feedback into
prioritized design opportunities for improvement, and then advocating
usability within the design process.
Our work products include user roles/personas, usage scenarios, wireframes,
design mock-ups, design evaluations, and user testing.
We will be refreshing the UX wiki this week and will invite all to
contribute to the conversation moving forward.
Regards,
Kevin
AOO User Experience Designer
On Sun, May 13, 2012 at 10:00 PM, Scooter C <sc...@scootersdesk.com>wrote:
> I truly dislike acronyms, who knows what they mean if not grammatically
> introduced.
> Acronyms SHOULD be properly identified, else they're useless.
> User eXperience (UX); its a courtesy to readers.
> Thanks Fernando & Doug for the URLs.
>
> Take Care.
> Scooter
> College Park, MD USA
>
> Fernando Cassia wrote on 5/12/2012 10:26 PM:
>
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Hugo Costa<hu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What's UX?
>>>
>> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/**User_experience<http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_experience>
>>
>> FC
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Re: Whats UX ? What we talk?
Posted by Scooter C <sc...@scootersdesk.com>.
I truly dislike acronyms, who knows what they mean if not grammatically
introduced.
Acronyms SHOULD be properly identified, else they're useless.
User eXperience (UX); its a courtesy to readers.
Thanks Fernando & Doug for the URLs.
Take Care.
Scooter
College Park, MD USA
Fernando Cassia wrote on 5/12/2012 10:26 PM:
> On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Hugo Costa<hu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> What's UX?
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_experience
>
> FC
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Re: Whats UX ? What we talk?
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Sat, May 12, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Hugo Costa <hu...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> What's UX?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_experience
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Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by David B Teague sr <da...@comporium.net>.
On 5/9/2012 8:40 AM, David H. Lipman wrote:
> From: "Fernando Cassia" <fc...@gmail.com>
>
>> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:21 AM, l x <lx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> I'm Xin Li, I have been an UX designer for Symphony and I'm very
>>> glad to
>>> join ooo-users mailing list. I'd love to focus on AOO user
>>> experience work
>>> in the future.
>>
>> As long as you don't want to turn AOO into Symphony, it's fine with
>> me. In other words... you have to keep in mind that AOO users come
>> from an OpenOffice.org background, and are used to its user interface.
>> If they liked Symphony more they'd be Symphony users, not OO.o
>>
>> Translation: any changes to the AOO UI should be incremental and
>> carefully thought and a radical redesign avoided at all costs.
>>
>> And for heaven's sake, do not repeat Microsoft's "Ribbon UI" disaster.
>> CUA exists for a reason. :)
>>
> +1
>
>
>
+1
DBTsr
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Re: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
Posted by "David H. Lipman" <DL...@Verizon.Net>.
From: "Fernando Cassia" <fc...@gmail.com>
> On Wed, May 9, 2012 at 2:21 AM, l x <lx...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> I'm Xin Li, I have been an UX designer for Symphony and I'm very glad to
>> join ooo-users mailing list. I'd love to focus on AOO user experience
>> work
>> in the future.
>
> As long as you don't want to turn AOO into Symphony, it's fine with
> me. In other words... you have to keep in mind that AOO users come
> from an OpenOffice.org background, and are used to its user interface.
> If they liked Symphony more they'd be Symphony users, not OO.o
>
> Translation: any changes to the AOO UI should be incremental and
> carefully thought and a radical redesign avoided at all costs.
>
> And for heaven's sake, do not repeat Microsoft's "Ribbon UI" disaster.
> CUA exists for a reason. :)
>
+1
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Whats UX ? What we talk?
Posted by Hugo Costa <hu...@yahoo.com>.
--- On Wed, 5/9/12, l x <lx...@gmail.com> wrote:
From: l x <lx...@gmail.com>
Subject: Hello all, I'm Xin Li, the UX designer of Symphony
To: ooo-users@incubator.apache.org
Date: Wednesday, May 9, 2012, 1:21 AM
Hi all,
I'm Xin Li, I have been an UX designer for Symphony and I'm very glad to
join ooo-users mailing list. I'd love to focus on AOO user experience work
in the future.
Welcome to send UX issues to Kevin and me to communicate, thanks! :)
--
Best regards,
Xin Li 李欣
UX designer