Problem with HTML inside mail

[Christian Lenz <Ch...@gmx.net>]

I can't Send Mails to the Apache Mailinglists because the default format of the mail is text/html.
All of my Clients (gmx too) uses text/html as default to Send Mail. Always i got the Message Mail Daemon can't Receive Mail because it doesnt accept html. In Gmx i can Switch it to plain text. On my Mobile i don't know and i don't want it. Whats wrong to use html?

Re: Aw: Re: Problem with HTML inside mail

[Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>]

Le 18/11/16 à 11:40, Christian Lenz a écrit :
> @emi: yeah maybe sry for that.
>
> @Emmanuel: Don't use HTML.... great words xD. This will not answering my question. 

I have explained that HTML mails will be discarded by the SPAM filter.
That's a pretty good reason not to use HTML, and I think it answers your
question, at least from a technical point of view. I will try to elaborate.

(see : http://apache.org/foundation/mailinglists.html : "Note: Spam
filters don't like messages with empty Subjects; just use e.g.
"subscribe" or "unsubscribe". Spam filters are also more likely to
reject HTML-formatted messages; please use plain text." )

The thing is that if the SPAM filter were to accept HTML, it would have
an incredibly harder task detecting spams, and we would have way more
work, as moderators, in checking all the mails that *may* be legitimate
e-mail, among many, many other HTML unsollicited mails.

Add to that people aren't necessarily have a Mail UI that shows HTML :
I, for instance, have deactivated this feature years ago.

> I would like to know what is in general wrong with HTML? Come on we are living in the 21st century, HTML is standard and as you can see it is standard in the clients that I use for formatting. 

We are trying to make so there is no barrier when it comes to
communicating, and HTML is clearly one. I understand that many people
are fond of it, but not all of us.


> GMX Webpage (I can change), Windows 10 mail app (Don't know how to change) Gmail app on android (I think it is not possible) So to say don't use HTML, is not an option. 

Of course it is. 5000 committers at The ASF alrady do it. Check your
Mail UI documentation, there is obviously an option somwhere that will
let you do that. Or ask, may be someone know how to configure it to
avoid sending HTML text (and please, be sure that your signature does
not use HTML too...)


> I don't have any problems with other mailinglists, except this one. So I think you should rethink about blocking HTML. 

Unlikely to happen...




-- 

Emmanuel Lecharny

Symas.com
directory.apache.org

Re: Re: Problem with HTML inside mail

[Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>]

I see that Gmail sends both a plain-text (Content-Type: text/plain;
charset=UTF-8) message as well as the HTML variant (Content-Type:
text/html; charset=UTF-8).

So, text/plain is always there as a fallback.

Are you sure your mail clients can't do this?



--emi

On Fri, Nov 18, 2016 at 12:40 PM, Christian Lenz <Ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:

> @emi: yeah maybe sry for that.
>
> @Emmanuel: Don't use HTML.... great words xD. This will not answering my
> question. I would like to know what is in general wrong with HTML? Come on
> we are living in the 21st century, HTML is standard and as you can see it
> is standard in the clients that I use for formatting. GMX Webpage (I can
> change), Windows 10 mail app (Don't know how to change) Gmail app on
> android (I think it is not possible) So to say don't use HTML, is not an
> option. I don't have any problems with other mailinglists, except this one.
> So I think you should rethink about blocking HTML. There is nothing wrong
> with using this. I often write mails from my phone and I can't do this
> anymore for this mailinglist.
>
>
> Cheers
>
> Chris
>
>
>
> Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. November 2016 um 18:49 Uhr
> Von: "Emmanuel Lécharny" <el...@gmail.com>
> An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
> Betreff: Re: Problem with HTML inside mail
> HTML will be discarded by the SPAM filter. Don't use HTML.
>
>
> Le 17/11/16 à 17:02, Emilian Bold a écrit :
> > This seems like the wrong mailing list to ask this question.
> >
> > I'm using Gmail and iOS mail clients and I assume I also send text/html
> > because I see formatting and hyperlinks.
> >
> >
> > --emi
> >
> > On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Christian Lenz <Ch...@gmx.net>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I can't Send Mails to the Apache Mailinglists because the default format
> >> of the mail is text/html.
> >> All of my Clients (gmx too) uses text/html as default to Send Mail.
> Always
> >> i got the Message Mail Daemon can't Receive Mail because it doesnt
> accept
> >> html. In Gmx i can Switch it to plain text. On my Mobile i don't know
> and i
> >> don't want it. Whats wrong to use html?
> >>
>
> --
> Emmanuel Lecharny
>
> Symas.com
> directory.apache.org
>
>

Aw: Re: Problem with HTML inside mail

[Christian Lenz <Ch...@gmx.net>]

@emi: yeah maybe sry for that.

@Emmanuel: Don't use HTML.... great words xD. This will not answering my question. I would like to know what is in general wrong with HTML? Come on we are living in the 21st century, HTML is standard and as you can see it is standard in the clients that I use for formatting. GMX Webpage (I can change), Windows 10 mail app (Don't know how to change) Gmail app on android (I think it is not possible) So to say don't use HTML, is not an option. I don't have any problems with other mailinglists, except this one. So I think you should rethink about blocking HTML. There is nothing wrong with using this. I often write mails from my phone and I can't do this anymore for this mailinglist.


Cheers

Chris
 
 

Gesendet: Donnerstag, 17. November 2016 um 18:49 Uhr
Von: "Emmanuel Lécharny" <el...@gmail.com>
An: dev@netbeans.incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Re: Problem with HTML inside mail
HTML will be discarded by the SPAM filter. Don't use HTML.


Le 17/11/16 à 17:02, Emilian Bold a écrit :
> This seems like the wrong mailing list to ask this question.
>
> I'm using Gmail and iOS mail clients and I assume I also send text/html
> because I see formatting and hyperlinks.
>
>
> --emi
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Christian Lenz <Ch...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I can't Send Mails to the Apache Mailinglists because the default format
>> of the mail is text/html.
>> All of my Clients (gmx too) uses text/html as default to Send Mail. Always
>> i got the Message Mail Daemon can't Receive Mail because it doesnt accept
>> html. In Gmx i can Switch it to plain text. On my Mobile i don't know and i
>> don't want it. Whats wrong to use html?
>>

--
Emmanuel Lecharny

Symas.com
directory.apache.org
 

Re: Problem with HTML inside mail

[Emmanuel Lécharny <el...@gmail.com>]

HTML will be discarded by the SPAM filter. Don't use HTML.


Le 17/11/16 à 17:02, Emilian Bold a écrit :
> This seems like the wrong mailing list to ask this question.
>
> I'm using Gmail and iOS mail clients and I assume I also send text/html
> because I see formatting and hyperlinks.
>
>
> --emi
>
> On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Christian Lenz <Ch...@gmx.net>
> wrote:
>
>> I can't Send Mails to the Apache Mailinglists because the default format
>> of the mail is text/html.
>> All of my Clients (gmx too) uses text/html as default to Send Mail. Always
>> i got the Message Mail Daemon can't Receive Mail because it doesnt accept
>> html. In Gmx i can Switch it to plain text. On my Mobile i don't know and i
>> don't want it. Whats wrong to use html?
>>

-- 
Emmanuel Lecharny

Symas.com
directory.apache.org

Re: Problem with HTML inside mail

[Emilian Bold <em...@gmail.com>]

This seems like the wrong mailing list to ask this question.

I'm using Gmail and iOS mail clients and I assume I also send text/html
because I see formatting and hyperlinks.


--emi

On Thu, Nov 17, 2016 at 5:36 PM, Christian Lenz <Ch...@gmx.net>
wrote:

> I can't Send Mails to the Apache Mailinglists because the default format
> of the mail is text/html.
> All of my Clients (gmx too) uses text/html as default to Send Mail. Always
> i got the Message Mail Daemon can't Receive Mail because it doesnt accept
> html. In Gmx i can Switch it to plain text. On my Mobile i don't know and i
> don't want it. Whats wrong to use html?
>