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Posted to user@struts.apache.org by Eddie Bush <ek...@swbell.net> on 2002/07/11 05:04:52 UTC
Struts 1.1 Final - Just asking!
Obviously, the "standard answer" when someone asks for an ETA is: "When
it gets here." I respect that - I do. It would be helpful to me though
if someone could give a "very rough" guestimation of when that possibly
might be =) I won't hold you to it - I know it's a "moving target".
I'm simply curious.
Thanks so much!
Eddie Bush
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Re: keeping the old debate open...
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
Oops, Craig McClana
-------------------^han
Ted Husted wrote:
>
> We run out of bugs to fix when everything in Bugzilla is marked
> resolved, later, or won't fix. =:0)
>
> We publish the current development version each and very night. Many
> developers download this and try it against their own products, which is
> where the bug reports come from.
>
> We do have a few unit tests of our own, but our real test-bed are the
> thousands of developers who monitor this list and test it for
> themselves.
>
> Absolutely everything we do is out in the open. There are no private
> developer lists. If you, or your boss, or anyone want's to know what's
> going on, they only need to follow the DEV list.
>
> At any point in time, the worst-case scenario is that you can adopt the
> source into your own product and go your own way. So there's nothing to
> lose, and several world-class developers like Craig McClana to gain.
>
> -T.
>
> Barbara Post wrote:
> >
> > Hi Ted, just a question about how open-source projects are managed at
> > apache's : how do you know you run out of bugs to fix ? what's the way the
> > projects are tested ? thanks, since my boss wonders about open-source and
> > fears it a bit...
> >
> > we must ensure we know exactly what we can rely upon or not (how solid can
> > o-s be).
> > although another project used Cocoon1 (mmh, who decided and what are the
> > bugs due to cocoon specifically, dunno), now we may use Struts for this one.
> >
> > thanks a lot Guru :-)
> >
> > Babs
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>
> > To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:20 PM
> > Subject: Re: Struts 1.1 Final - Just asking!
> >
> > > Anyone's guestimation is *not* going to be worth the pixels they are
> > > published on, and it's pointless to disappoint people with speculations.
> > >
> > > The honest truth is that we ship when we run out of bugs to fix. Since
> > > we don't know what bugs people will find in the upcoming beta 2 release,
> > > we can't tell how long they will take to fix. I wish there were a
> > > better answer, but that's how it actually works, and there's no point in
> > > misleading anyone.
> > >
> > > The one and only answer is always going to be:
> > >
> > > http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/kickstart.html#release
> > >
> > > You know we're getting very close when go from a "beta" to a "release
> > > candidate", but the next release, beta 2, is not a release candidate.
> > > Yet.
> > >
> > > Choosing between a Jakarta beta and the stable release is like
> > > buying a yacht. If you have to ask, use the stable release =:0)
> > >
> > > -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US
> > > -- Java Web Development with Struts
> > > -- Tel: +1 585 737-3463
> > > -- Web: http://husted.com/about/services
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Eddie Bush wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Obviously, the "standard answer" when someone asks for an ETA is: "When
> > > > it gets here." I respect that - I do. It would be helpful to me though
> > > > if someone could give a "very rough" guestimation of when that possibly
> > > > might be =) I won't hold you to it - I know it's a "moving target".
> > > > I'm simply curious.
> > > >
> > > > Thanks so much!
> > > >
> > > > Eddie Bush
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> > <ma...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > > For additional commands, e-mail:
> > <ma...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > >
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> > >
> >
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>
> -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US
> -- Java Web Development with Struts
> -- Tel: +1 585 737-3463
> -- Web: http://husted.com/about/services
>
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-- Java Web Development with Struts
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Re: keeping the old debate open...
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
We run out of bugs to fix when everything in Bugzilla is marked
resolved, later, or won't fix. =:0)
We publish the current development version each and very night. Many
developers download this and try it against their own products, which is
where the bug reports come from.
We do have a few unit tests of our own, but our real test-bed are the
thousands of developers who monitor this list and test it for
themselves.
Absolutely everything we do is out in the open. There are no private
developer lists. If you, or your boss, or anyone want's to know what's
going on, they only need to follow the DEV list.
At any point in time, the worst-case scenario is that you can adopt the
source into your own product and go your own way. So there's nothing to
lose, and several world-class developers like Craig McClana to gain.
-T.
Barbara Post wrote:
>
> Hi Ted, just a question about how open-source projects are managed at
> apache's : how do you know you run out of bugs to fix ? what's the way the
> projects are tested ? thanks, since my boss wonders about open-source and
> fears it a bit...
>
> we must ensure we know exactly what we can rely upon or not (how solid can
> o-s be).
> although another project used Cocoon1 (mmh, who decided and what are the
> bugs due to cocoon specifically, dunno), now we may use Struts for this one.
>
> thanks a lot Guru :-)
>
> Babs
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>
> To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
> Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:20 PM
> Subject: Re: Struts 1.1 Final - Just asking!
>
> > Anyone's guestimation is *not* going to be worth the pixels they are
> > published on, and it's pointless to disappoint people with speculations.
> >
> > The honest truth is that we ship when we run out of bugs to fix. Since
> > we don't know what bugs people will find in the upcoming beta 2 release,
> > we can't tell how long they will take to fix. I wish there were a
> > better answer, but that's how it actually works, and there's no point in
> > misleading anyone.
> >
> > The one and only answer is always going to be:
> >
> > http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/kickstart.html#release
> >
> > You know we're getting very close when go from a "beta" to a "release
> > candidate", but the next release, beta 2, is not a release candidate.
> > Yet.
> >
> > Choosing between a Jakarta beta and the stable release is like
> > buying a yacht. If you have to ask, use the stable release =:0)
> >
> > -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US
> > -- Java Web Development with Struts
> > -- Tel: +1 585 737-3463
> > -- Web: http://husted.com/about/services
> >
> >
> >
> > Eddie Bush wrote:
> > >
> > > Obviously, the "standard answer" when someone asks for an ETA is: "When
> > > it gets here." I respect that - I do. It would be helpful to me though
> > > if someone could give a "very rough" guestimation of when that possibly
> > > might be =) I won't hold you to it - I know it's a "moving target".
> > > I'm simply curious.
> > >
> > > Thanks so much!
> > >
> > > Eddie Bush
> > >
> > > --
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> <ma...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > > For additional commands, e-mail:
> <ma...@jakarta.apache.org>
> >
> > --
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
> <ma...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > For additional commands, e-mail:
> <ma...@jakarta.apache.org>
> >
>
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-- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US
-- Java Web Development with Struts
-- Tel: +1 585 737-3463
-- Web: http://husted.com/about/services
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keeping the old debate open...
Posted by Barbara Post <ba...@ifrance.com>.
Hi Ted, just a question about how open-source projects are managed at
apache's : how do you know you run out of bugs to fix ? what's the way the
projects are tested ? thanks, since my boss wonders about open-source and
fears it a bit...
we must ensure we know exactly what we can rely upon or not (how solid can
o-s be).
although another project used Cocoon1 (mmh, who decided and what are the
bugs due to cocoon specifically, dunno), now we may use Struts for this one.
thanks a lot Guru :-)
Babs
----- Original Message -----
From: Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>
To: Struts Users Mailing List <st...@jakarta.apache.org>
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 2:20 PM
Subject: Re: Struts 1.1 Final - Just asking!
> Anyone's guestimation is *not* going to be worth the pixels they are
> published on, and it's pointless to disappoint people with speculations.
>
> The honest truth is that we ship when we run out of bugs to fix. Since
> we don't know what bugs people will find in the upcoming beta 2 release,
> we can't tell how long they will take to fix. I wish there were a
> better answer, but that's how it actually works, and there's no point in
> misleading anyone.
>
> The one and only answer is always going to be:
>
> http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/kickstart.html#release
>
> You know we're getting very close when go from a "beta" to a "release
> candidate", but the next release, beta 2, is not a release candidate.
> Yet.
>
> Choosing between a Jakarta beta and the stable release is like
> buying a yacht. If you have to ask, use the stable release =:0)
>
> -- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US
> -- Java Web Development with Struts
> -- Tel: +1 585 737-3463
> -- Web: http://husted.com/about/services
>
>
>
> Eddie Bush wrote:
> >
> > Obviously, the "standard answer" when someone asks for an ETA is: "When
> > it gets here." I respect that - I do. It would be helpful to me though
> > if someone could give a "very rough" guestimation of when that possibly
> > might be =) I won't hold you to it - I know it's a "moving target".
> > I'm simply curious.
> >
> > Thanks so much!
> >
> > Eddie Bush
> >
> > --
> > To unsubscribe, e-mail:
<ma...@jakarta.apache.org>
> > For additional commands, e-mail:
<ma...@jakarta.apache.org>
>
> --
> To unsubscribe, e-mail:
<ma...@jakarta.apache.org>
> For additional commands, e-mail:
<ma...@jakarta.apache.org>
>
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Re: Struts 1.1 Final - Just asking!
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
Anyone's guestimation is *not* going to be worth the pixels they are
published on, and it's pointless to disappoint people with speculations.
The honest truth is that we ship when we run out of bugs to fix. Since
we don't know what bugs people will find in the upcoming beta 2 release,
we can't tell how long they will take to fix. I wish there were a
better answer, but that's how it actually works, and there's no point in
misleading anyone.
The one and only answer is always going to be:
http://jakarta.apache.org/struts/kickstart.html#release
You know we're getting very close when go from a "beta" to a "release
candidate", but the next release, beta 2, is not a release candidate.
Yet.
Choosing between a Jakarta beta and the stable release is like
buying a yacht. If you have to ask, use the stable release =:0)
-- Ted Husted, Husted dot Com, Fairport NY US
-- Java Web Development with Struts
-- Tel: +1 585 737-3463
-- Web: http://husted.com/about/services
Eddie Bush wrote:
>
> Obviously, the "standard answer" when someone asks for an ETA is: "When
> it gets here." I respect that - I do. It would be helpful to me though
> if someone could give a "very rough" guestimation of when that possibly
> might be =) I won't hold you to it - I know it's a "moving target".
> I'm simply curious.
>
> Thanks so much!
>
> Eddie Bush
>
> --
> To unsubscribe, e-mail: <ma...@jakarta.apache.org>
> For additional commands, e-mail: <ma...@jakarta.apache.org>
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RE: Struts 1.1 Final - Just asking!
Posted by "Daniel J. D'Cotta" <da...@gridnode.com>.
Eddie,
I tried asking that before..
Some simple advice: 'Just wait for it patiently, and DON'T ask when it will
be coming out!'.
Regards,
Daniel
-----Original Message-----
From: Eddie Bush [mailto:ekbush@swbell.net]
Sent: Thursday, July 11, 2002 11:05 AM
To: struts-user@jakarta.apache.org
Subject: Struts 1.1 Final - Just asking!
Obviously, the "standard answer" when someone asks for an ETA is: "When
it gets here." I respect that - I do. It would be helpful to me though
if someone could give a "very rough" guestimation of when that possibly
might be =) I won't hold you to it - I know it's a "moving target".
I'm simply curious.
Thanks so much!
Eddie Bush
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