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Posted to user@openmeetings.apache.org by David Takle <dj...@gmail.com> on 2012/09/28 20:56:08 UTC
Sending IP Address in Emails
The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
Things are working nicely now.
However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which means
nothing to the recipient.
How do I send my IP address in the email?
Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it gives
the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP address in
the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings because the
router does not recognize the request.
~David
Re: {Disarmed} Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by kmn <km...@adginc.net>.
Look at something like no-ip.com, where you can attach a domain to a
dynamic address. they have a free version
On 2012-09-28 15:07, Dimitri Yioulos wrote:
> David,
>
> Ours is an enterprise set-up, so we can obviously do things that a
> home or small
> business user can't. So, for example, we have OM running in a VMware
> virtual
> machine. Using NAT and port forwarding in our firewall router, we're
> easily
> able to send OM meeting requests from out in the world. Anyway, ...
>
> The 192.168.x.x addy on your XP box is known as a non-routable
> address; the
> outside world couldn't use it. Your ISP must have provided you with
> an
> external IP address. It might be static, but I suspect it's dynamic,
> in which
> case you may have a problem. But, in any case, you need to configure
> your
> router such that any incoming traffic on port 5080 (or whatever your
> OM is
> using) is routed to the machine on which OM runs.
>
> Dimitri
>
>
> On Friday 28 September 2012 3:13:39 pm David Takle wrote:
>> Dimitri,
>> Your comment raises a lot of questions for me.
>> First, are you using a laptop/desktop for your server? If so, how
>> did you
>> get a domain name for it?
>> Second, using 'ipconfig' on my XP, I got a 192.168.x.x address that
>> worked
>> fine from my 2nd computer. Was that only because it is on the same
>> side of
>> the modem? Would that address not work for the rest of the world to
>> use?
>> Thanks!
>> ~David
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos
> <dy...@onpointfc.com>wrote:
>> > I've found that you need to log into OM with the FQDN of your OM
>> server
>> > (e.g.
>> > http://openmeetings.mydomain.tld:5080/openmeetings). At first, I
>> was
>> > using the
>> > internal address of the OM server, so my invitees were instructed
>> to go
>> > to the
>> > meeting at http://192.168.x.x<meeting_id>. Clearly, that didn't
>> work.
>> > Others
>> > may know of another way to accomplish what you're after.
>> >
>> > Dimitri
>> >
>> > On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
>> > > The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
>> > > Things are working nicely now.
>> > > However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost"
>> which
>> > > means nothing to the recipient.
>> > > How do I send my IP address in the email?
>> > >
>> > > Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes
>> through a
>> > > wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP
>> address, it
>> >
>> > gives
>> >
>> > > the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP
>> address
>> > > in the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings
>> because
>> > > the router does not recognize the request.
>> > >
>> > > ~David
>> >
>> > --
>> > This message has been scanned for viruses and
>> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>> > believed to be clean.
>
>
>
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Re: {Disarmed} Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com>.
David,
Ours is an enterprise set-up, so we can obviously do things that a home or small
business user can't. So, for example, we have OM running in a VMware virtual
machine. Using NAT and port forwarding in our firewall router, we're easily
able to send OM meeting requests from out in the world. Anyway, ...
The 192.168.x.x addy on your XP box is known as a non-routable address; the
outside world couldn't use it. Your ISP must have provided you with an
external IP address. It might be static, but I suspect it's dynamic, in which
case you may have a problem. But, in any case, you need to configure your
router such that any incoming traffic on port 5080 (or whatever your OM is
using) is routed to the machine on which OM runs.
Dimitri
On Friday 28 September 2012 3:13:39 pm David Takle wrote:
> Dimitri,
> Your comment raises a lot of questions for me.
> First, are you using a laptop/desktop for your server? If so, how did you
> get a domain name for it?
> Second, using 'ipconfig' on my XP, I got a 192.168.x.x address that worked
> fine from my 2nd computer. Was that only because it is on the same side of
> the modem? Would that address not work for the rest of the world to use?
> Thanks!
> ~David
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos
<dy...@onpointfc.com>wrote:
> > I've found that you need to log into OM with the FQDN of your OM server
> > (e.g.
> > http://openmeetings.mydomain.tld:5080/openmeetings). At first, I was
> > using the
> > internal address of the OM server, so my invitees were instructed to go
> > to the
> > meeting at http://192.168.x.x<meeting_id>. Clearly, that didn't work.
> > Others
> > may know of another way to accomplish what you're after.
> >
> > Dimitri
> >
> > On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
> > > The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
> > > Things are working nicely now.
> > > However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which
> > > means nothing to the recipient.
> > > How do I send my IP address in the email?
> > >
> > > Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
> > > wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it
> >
> > gives
> >
> > > the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP address
> > > in the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings because
> > > the router does not recognize the request.
> > >
> > > ~David
> >
> > --
> > This message has been scanned for viruses and
> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> > believed to be clean.
--
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.
Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com>.
I'm not overly concerned about this, myself. It's trivial to log in using the
FQDN, and get the proper link to my invitees. But, if it's a best practices
thing, maybe I should make the changes in red5.properties. Right now, the
directives I mentioned below are set to 0.0.0.0.
Dimitri
On Friday 28 September 2012 3:31:15 pm Jacob Gaiski wrote:
> Yes. I did this and have never had that issue. I also have about 4
> environments of Open Meetings on my machine for testing purposes. I
> wouldn't conclude 100%, but it's definitely worth a try! Router and
> firewall settings as well as firmware MAY also factor in.
>
>
> I can run through a test later tonight if needed for confirmation, unless
> someone else is able to confirm that this indeed does fix your issue.
>
>
> -Jake
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Dimitri Yioulos
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:24 PM
> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
>
> Ah, see, there is a better way. Thanks for pointing that out, Jacob. I
> take it
> you change http.host, rtmp.host, and rtmps.host to the FQDN?
>
> Dimitri
>
> On Friday 28 September 2012 3:16:09 pm Jacob Gaiski wrote:
> > Did you set the bindings to your external IP address in red5.properties?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > From: David Takle
> > Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:13 PM
> > To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> > Subject: Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
> >
> > Dimitri,
> > Your comment raises a lot of questions for me.
> > First, are you using a laptop/desktop for your server? If so, how did you
> > get a domain name for it? Second, using 'ipconfig' on my XP, I got a
> > 192.168.x.x address that worked fine from my 2nd computer. Was that only
> > because it is on the same side of the modem? Would that address not work
> > for the rest of the world to use? Thanks!
> > ~David
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > I've found that you need to log into OM with the FQDN of your OM server
> > (e.g. http://openmeetings.mydomain.tld:5080/openmeetings). At first, I
> > was
> > using the internal address of the OM server, so my invitees were
> > instructed
> > to go to the meeting at http://192.168.x.x<meeting_id>. Clearly, that
> > didn't work. Others may know of another way to accomplish what you're
> > after.
> >
> > Dimitri
> >
> > On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
> > > The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
> > > Things are working nicely now.
> > > However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which
> > > means nothing to the recipient.
> > > How do I send my IP address in the email?
> > >
> > > Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
> > > wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it
> > > gives the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP
> > > address in the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings
> > > because the router does not recognize the request.
> > >
> > > ~David
> >
> > --
> > This message has been scanned for viruses and
> > dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> > believed to be clean.
>
> --
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> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
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Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by Jacob Gaiski <jg...@emich.edu>.
Yes. I did this and have never had that issue. I also have about 4
environments of Open Meetings on my machine for testing purposes. I wouldn't
conclude 100%, but it's definitely worth a try! Router and firewall settings
as well as firmware MAY also factor in.
I can run through a test later tonight if needed for confirmation, unless
someone else is able to confirm that this indeed does fix your issue.
-Jake
-----Original Message-----
From: Dimitri Yioulos
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:24 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Ah, see, there is a better way. Thanks for pointing that out, Jacob. I
take it
you change http.host, rtmp.host, and rtmps.host to the FQDN?
Dimitri
On Friday 28 September 2012 3:16:09 pm Jacob Gaiski wrote:
> Did you set the bindings to your external IP address in red5.properties?
>
>
>
>
> From: David Takle
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:13 PM
> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
>
> Dimitri,
> Your comment raises a lot of questions for me.
> First, are you using a laptop/desktop for your server? If so, how did you
> get a domain name for it? Second, using 'ipconfig' on my XP, I got a
> 192.168.x.x address that worked fine from my 2nd computer. Was that only
> because it is on the same side of the modem? Would that address not work
> for the rest of the world to use? Thanks!
> ~David
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com>
> wrote:
>
> I've found that you need to log into OM with the FQDN of your OM server
> (e.g. http://openmeetings.mydomain.tld:5080/openmeetings). At first, I
> was
> using the internal address of the OM server, so my invitees were
> instructed
> to go to the meeting at http://192.168.x.x<meeting_id>. Clearly, that
> didn't work. Others may know of another way to accomplish what you're
> after.
>
> Dimitri
>
> On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
> > The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
> > Things are working nicely now.
> > However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which
> > means nothing to the recipient.
> > How do I send my IP address in the email?
> >
> > Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
> > wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it
> > gives the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP
> > address in the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings
> > because the router does not recognize the request.
> >
> > ~David
>
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
--
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.
Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com>.
Ah, see, there is a better way. Thanks for pointing that out, Jacob. I take it
you change http.host, rtmp.host, and rtmps.host to the FQDN?
Dimitri
On Friday 28 September 2012 3:16:09 pm Jacob Gaiski wrote:
> Did you set the bindings to your external IP address in red5.properties?
>
>
>
>
> From: David Takle
> Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:13 PM
> To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> Subject: Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
>
> Dimitri,
> Your comment raises a lot of questions for me.
> First, are you using a laptop/desktop for your server? If so, how did you
> get a domain name for it? Second, using 'ipconfig' on my XP, I got a
> 192.168.x.x address that worked fine from my 2nd computer. Was that only
> because it is on the same side of the modem? Would that address not work
> for the rest of the world to use? Thanks!
> ~David
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com>
> wrote:
>
> I've found that you need to log into OM with the FQDN of your OM server
> (e.g. http://openmeetings.mydomain.tld:5080/openmeetings). At first, I was
> using the internal address of the OM server, so my invitees were instructed
> to go to the meeting at http://192.168.x.x<meeting_id>. Clearly, that
> didn't work. Others may know of another way to accomplish what you're
> after.
>
> Dimitri
>
> On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
> > The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
> > Things are working nicely now.
> > However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which
> > means nothing to the recipient.
> > How do I send my IP address in the email?
> >
> > Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
> > wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it
> > gives the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP
> > address in the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings
> > because the router does not recognize the request.
> >
> > ~David
>
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
--
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.
Re: {Disarmed} Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com>.
As to the second computer, the reason you can connect to OM using an inside
address, but not an outside one, may be a function of your firewall/router. In
our environment, we can't go outside to come inside. It's a security thing.
We can connect to our OM server using its internal IP address. But, we can't
use the external IP address, because we'd be going outside to come back and, as
Jake pointed out, that door is locked.
On Friday 28 September 2012 3:55:36 pm David Takle wrote:
> Jake:
> Thanks for the data. Most of the IP stuff makes perfect sense. The first
> main thing I was missing was I did not know about the settings in
> red5.properties (I don't recall ever seeing that file or those settings
> mentioned in any of the docs).
>
> But I'm still having trouble with connecting the 2nd computer to the room.
> It does in fact connect when I use the internal IP address 192.x.x.x But
> when I try using the modem's IP address, I get "unable to connect." Based
> on what I see in the other responses, it looks like I need to get access to
> my modem's admin and set something for port 5080. Is that correct?
>
> ~David
>
> > The IP you’re seeing, 192.xx.xx.xxx, is an internal IP address. The way
> > the internet is setup, there are billions of networks connected together.
> > Imagine the router and all other computers that are connected to that
> > router, as your network.
> >
> > All computers have low firewall settings within their own network. So
> > naturally, connecting to 192.xx.xx.xx from another 192.xx.xx.x machine
> > won’t cause nearly as many security issues as connecting to the external
> > IP address.
> >
> > The way your router communicates with the world, is it has it’s own IP
> > address. Just like your mailing address; they’re all unique. Your router
> > determines WHICH internal computer(rather it be 192.168.0.1, or
> > 192.168.0.2) made the request and it handles the processing of that
> > request.
> >
> > Think of your router as your internet middle man. Whenever you make a
> > request to the internet, it first goes through your router. Your router
> > gets the request, something in the form of, “REQUEST FROM <computer name>
> > TO <wherever> SESSIONSTAMP <stamp> TTYL<time to live>”
> > When that request comes back from <wherever>, your router KNOWS which
> > local computer made the request; thus delivering the information to the
> > computer.
> >
> >
> >
> > Your external IP address, is your REAL ip address that is used for
> > communication with any and ALL computers on your network. If you wish to
> > access ANY resource from a networked computer, you MUST use the REAL ip
> > address(your routers IP.) Your router will take care of handling all of
> > your requests, so don’t worry about that. Just open up the ports that you
> > need, and start your service.
> >
> > Be sure you have opened the port in Windows Firewall(or whatever OS) AS
> > WELL as the router.(assuming you have more than one layer of security.)
> >
> >
> > Now, once you have that set. locate the file “red5.properties”(typically
> > within the /dist/ folder of your openmeetings directory.) If you still
> > cannot find it, search your machine for it.
> >
> >
> > I was able to do a ctrl+h(replace all) and replace ALL instances of
> > “.host=0.0.0.0” with “.host=YourIPHere”.
> >
> >
> > Hopefully this will give you a thourough understanding of what
> > communication is going on between your machine, your router, and the rest
> > of the internet.
> >
> > Remember, the internet is nothing more than billions of networks that
> > communicate with eachother.
> >
> > -Jake
> >
> > *From:* David Takle <dj...@gmail.com>
> > *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 3:30 PM
> > *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> > *Subject:* Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
> >
> > Please elaborate --- I don't understand that sentence.
> > ~David
> >
> > On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Jacob Gaiski <jg...@emich.edu> wrote:
> >> Did you set the bindings to your external IP address in
> >> red5.properties?
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> *From:* David Takle <dj...@gmail.com>
> >> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 3:13 PM
> >> *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> >> *Subject:* Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
> >>
> >> Dimitri,
> >> Your comment raises a lot of questions for me.
> >> First, are you using a laptop/desktop for your server? If so, how did
> >> you get a domain name for it?
> >> Second, using 'ipconfig' on my XP, I got a 192.168.x.x address that
> >> worked fine from my 2nd computer. Was that only because it is on the
> >> same side of the modem? Would that address not work for the rest of the
> >> world to use?
> >> Thanks!
> >> ~David
> >>
> >> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos
<dy...@onpointfc.com>wrote:
> >>> I've found that you need to log into OM with the FQDN of your OM server
> >>> (e.g.
> >>> http://openmeetings.mydomain.tld:5080/openmeetings). At first, I was
> >>> using the
> >>> internal address of the OM server, so my invitees were instructed to go
> >>> to the
> >>> meeting at http://192.168.x.x<meeting_id>. Clearly, that didn't work.
> >>> Others
> >>> may know of another way to accomplish what you're after.
> >>>
> >>> Dimitri
> >>>
> >>> On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
> >>> > The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
> >>> > Things are working nicely now.
> >>> > However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which
> >>>
> >>> means
> >>>
> >>> > nothing to the recipient.
> >>> > How do I send my IP address in the email?
> >>> >
> >>> > Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
> >>> > wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it
> >>>
> >>> gives
> >>>
> >>> > the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP address
> >>>
> >>> in
> >>>
> >>> > the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings because the
> >>> > router does not recognize the request.
> >>> >
> >>> > ~David
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> >>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> >>> believed to be clean.
--
This message has been scanned for viruses and
dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
believed to be clean.
Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by Jacob Gaiski <jg...@emich.edu>.
Yes.
How would you get through a door if it was locked?
It needs to be opened. Of course you could brute force it, but I doubt you’re trying to hack yourself.
From: David Takle
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:55 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Jake:
Thanks for the data. Most of the IP stuff makes perfect sense. The first main thing I was missing was I did not know about the settings in red5.properties (I don't recall ever seeing that file or those settings mentioned in any of the docs).
But I'm still having trouble with connecting the 2nd computer to the room. It does in fact connect when I use the internal IP address 192.x.x.x But when I try using the modem's IP address, I get "unable to connect." Based on what I see in the other responses, it looks like I need to get access to my modem's admin and set something for port 5080. Is that correct?
~David
The IP you’re seeing, 192.xx.xx.xxx, is an internal IP address. The way the internet is setup, there are billions of networks connected together. Imagine the router and all other computers that are connected to that router, as your network.
All computers have low firewall settings within their own network. So naturally, connecting to 192.xx.xx.xx from another 192.xx.xx.x machine won’t cause nearly as many security issues as connecting to the external IP address.
The way your router communicates with the world, is it has it’s own IP address. Just like your mailing address; they’re all unique. Your router determines WHICH internal computer(rather it be 192.168.0.1, or 192.168.0.2) made the request and it handles the processing of that request.
Think of your router as your internet middle man. Whenever you make a request to the internet, it first goes through your router. Your router gets the request, something in the form of, “REQUEST FROM <computer name> TO <wherever> SESSIONSTAMP <stamp> TTYL<time to live>”
When that request comes back from <wherever>, your router KNOWS which local computer made the request; thus delivering the information to the computer.
Your external IP address, is your REAL ip address that is used for communication with any and ALL computers on your network. If you wish to access ANY resource from a networked computer, you MUST use the REAL ip address(your routers IP.) Your router will take care of handling all of your requests, so don’t worry about that. Just open up the ports that you need, and start your service.
Be sure you have opened the port in Windows Firewall(or whatever OS) AS WELL as the router.(assuming you have more than one layer of security.)
Now, once you have that set. locate the file “red5.properties”(typically within the /dist/ folder of your openmeetings directory.) If you still cannot find it, search your machine for it.
I was able to do a ctrl+h(replace all) and replace ALL instances of “.host=0.0.0.0” with “.host=YourIPHere”.
Hopefully this will give you a thourough understanding of what communication is going on between your machine, your router, and the rest of the internet.
Remember, the internet is nothing more than billions of networks that communicate with eachother.
-Jake
From: David Takle
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:30 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Please elaborate --- I don't understand that sentence.
~David
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Jacob Gaiski <jg...@emich.edu> wrote:
Did you set the bindings to your external IP address in red5.properties?
From: David Takle
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:13 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Dimitri,
Your comment raises a lot of questions for me.
First, are you using a laptop/desktop for your server? If so, how did you get a domain name for it?
Second, using 'ipconfig' on my XP, I got a 192.168.x.x address that worked fine from my 2nd computer. Was that only because it is on the same side of the modem? Would that address not work for the rest of the world to use?
Thanks!
~David
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com> wrote:
I've found that you need to log into OM with the FQDN of your OM server (e.g.
http://openmeetings.mydomain.tld:5080/openmeetings). At first, I was using the
internal address of the OM server, so my invitees were instructed to go to the
meeting at http://192.168.x.x<meeting_id>. Clearly, that didn't work. Others
may know of another way to accomplish what you're after.
Dimitri
On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
> The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
> Things are working nicely now.
> However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which means
> nothing to the recipient.
> How do I send my IP address in the email?
>
> Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
> wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it gives
> the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP address in
> the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings because the
> router does not recognize the request.
>
> ~David
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Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by David Takle <dj...@gmail.com>.
Jake:
Thanks for the data. Most of the IP stuff makes perfect sense. The first
main thing I was missing was I did not know about the settings in
red5.properties (I don't recall ever seeing that file or those settings
mentioned in any of the docs).
But I'm still having trouble with connecting the 2nd computer to the room.
It does in fact connect when I use the internal IP address 192.x.x.x But
when I try using the modem's IP address, I get "unable to connect." Based
on what I see in the other responses, it looks like I need to get access to
my modem's admin and set something for port 5080. Is that correct?
~David
> The IP you’re seeing, 192.xx.xx.xxx, is an internal IP address. The way
> the internet is setup, there are billions of networks connected together.
> Imagine the router and all other computers that are connected to that
> router, as your network.
>
> All computers have low firewall settings within their own network. So
> naturally, connecting to 192.xx.xx.xx from another 192.xx.xx.x machine
> won’t cause nearly as many security issues as connecting to the external IP
> address.
>
> The way your router communicates with the world, is it has it’s own IP
> address. Just like your mailing address; they’re all unique. Your router
> determines WHICH internal computer(rather it be 192.168.0.1, or
> 192.168.0.2) made the request and it handles the processing of that request.
>
> Think of your router as your internet middle man. Whenever you make a
> request to the internet, it first goes through your router. Your router
> gets the request, something in the form of, “REQUEST FROM <computer name>
> TO <wherever> SESSIONSTAMP <stamp> TTYL<time to live>”
> When that request comes back from <wherever>, your router KNOWS which
> local computer made the request; thus delivering the information to the
> computer.
>
>
>
> Your external IP address, is your REAL ip address that is used for
> communication with any and ALL computers on your network. If you wish to
> access ANY resource from a networked computer, you MUST use the REAL ip
> address(your routers IP.) Your router will take care of handling all of
> your requests, so don’t worry about that. Just open up the ports that you
> need, and start your service.
>
> Be sure you have opened the port in Windows Firewall(or whatever OS) AS
> WELL as the router.(assuming you have more than one layer of security.)
>
>
> Now, once you have that set. locate the file “red5.properties”(typically
> within the /dist/ folder of your openmeetings directory.) If you still
> cannot find it, search your machine for it.
>
>
> I was able to do a ctrl+h(replace all) and replace ALL instances of
> “.host=0.0.0.0” with “.host=YourIPHere”.
>
>
> Hopefully this will give you a thourough understanding of what
> communication is going on between your machine, your router, and the rest
> of the internet.
>
> Remember, the internet is nothing more than billions of networks that
> communicate with eachother.
>
> -Jake
>
> *From:* David Takle <dj...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 3:30 PM
> *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
>
> Please elaborate --- I don't understand that sentence.
> ~David
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Jacob Gaiski <jg...@emich.edu> wrote:
>
>> Did you set the bindings to your external IP address in
>> red5.properties?
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *From:* David Takle <dj...@gmail.com>
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 3:13 PM
>> *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
>> *Subject:* Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
>>
>> Dimitri,
>> Your comment raises a lot of questions for me.
>> First, are you using a laptop/desktop for your server? If so, how did you
>> get a domain name for it?
>> Second, using 'ipconfig' on my XP, I got a 192.168.x.x address that
>> worked fine from my 2nd computer. Was that only because it is on the same
>> side of the modem? Would that address not work for the rest of the world to
>> use?
>> Thanks!
>> ~David
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com>wrote:
>>
>>> I've found that you need to log into OM with the FQDN of your OM server
>>> (e.g.
>>> http://openmeetings.mydomain.tld:5080/openmeetings). At first, I was
>>> using the
>>> internal address of the OM server, so my invitees were instructed to go
>>> to the
>>> meeting at http://192.168.x.x<meeting_id>. Clearly, that didn't work.
>>> Others
>>> may know of another way to accomplish what you're after.
>>>
>>> Dimitri
>>>
>>>
>>> On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
>>> > The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
>>> > Things are working nicely now.
>>> > However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which
>>> means
>>> > nothing to the recipient.
>>> > How do I send my IP address in the email?
>>> >
>>> > Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
>>> > wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it
>>> gives
>>> > the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP address
>>> in
>>> > the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings because the
>>> > router does not recognize the request.
>>> >
>>> > ~David
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>>> believed to be clean.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by Jacob Gaiski <jg...@emich.edu>.
K.
The IP you’re seeing, 192.xx.xx.xxx, is an internal IP address. The way the internet is setup, there are billions of networks connected together. Imagine the router and all other computers that are connected to that router, as your network.
All computers have low firewall settings within their own network. So naturally, connecting to 192.xx.xx.xx from another 192.xx.xx.x machine won’t cause nearly as many security issues as connecting to the external IP address.
The way your router communicates with the world, is it has it’s own IP address. Just like your mailing address; they’re all unique. Your router determines WHICH internal computer(rather it be 192.168.0.1, or 192.168.0.2) made the request and it handles the processing of that request.
Think of your router as your internet middle man. Whenever you make a request to the internet, it first goes through your router. Your router gets the request, something in the form of, “REQUEST FROM <computer name> TO <wherever> SESSIONSTAMP <stamp> TTYL<time to live>”
When that request comes back from <wherever>, your router KNOWS which local computer made the request; thus delivering the information to the computer.
Your external IP address, is your REAL ip address that is used for communication with any and ALL computers on your network. If you wish to access ANY resource from a networked computer, you MUST use the REAL ip address(your routers IP.) Your router will take care of handling all of your requests, so don’t worry about that. Just open up the ports that you need, and start your service.
Be sure you have opened the port in Windows Firewall(or whatever OS) AS WELL as the router.(assuming you have more than one layer of security.)
Now, once you have that set. locate the file “red5.properties”(typically within the /dist/ folder of your openmeetings directory.) If you still cannot find it, search your machine for it.
I was able to do a ctrl+h(replace all) and replace ALL instances of “.host=0.0.0.0” with “.host=YourIPHere”.
Hopefully this will give you a thourough understanding of what communication is going on between your machine, your router, and the rest of the internet.
Remember, the internet is nothing more than billions of networks that communicate with eachother.
-Jake
From: David Takle
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:30 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Please elaborate --- I don't understand that sentence.
~David
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Jacob Gaiski <jg...@emich.edu> wrote:
Did you set the bindings to your external IP address in red5.properties?
From: David Takle
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:13 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Dimitri,
Your comment raises a lot of questions for me.
First, are you using a laptop/desktop for your server? If so, how did you get a domain name for it?
Second, using 'ipconfig' on my XP, I got a 192.168.x.x address that worked fine from my 2nd computer. Was that only because it is on the same side of the modem? Would that address not work for the rest of the world to use?
Thanks!
~David
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com> wrote:
I've found that you need to log into OM with the FQDN of your OM server (e.g.
http://openmeetings.mydomain.tld:5080/openmeetings). At first, I was using the
internal address of the OM server, so my invitees were instructed to go to the
meeting at http://192.168.x.x<meeting_id>. Clearly, that didn't work. Others
may know of another way to accomplish what you're after.
Dimitri
On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
> The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
> Things are working nicely now.
> However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which means
> nothing to the recipient.
> How do I send my IP address in the email?
>
> Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
> wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it gives
> the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP address in
> the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings because the
> router does not recognize the request.
>
> ~David
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Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by David Takle <dj...@gmail.com>.
Please elaborate --- I don't understand that sentence.
~David
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:16 PM, Jacob Gaiski <jg...@emich.edu> wrote:
> Did you set the bindings to your external IP address in red5.properties?
>
>
>
>
> *From:* David Takle <dj...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, September 28, 2012 3:13 PM
> *To:* openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
>
> Dimitri,
> Your comment raises a lot of questions for me.
> First, are you using a laptop/desktop for your server? If so, how did you
> get a domain name for it?
> Second, using 'ipconfig' on my XP, I got a 192.168.x.x address that worked
> fine from my 2nd computer. Was that only because it is on the same side of
> the modem? Would that address not work for the rest of the world to use?
> Thanks!
> ~David
>
>
> On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com>wrote:
>
>> I've found that you need to log into OM with the FQDN of your OM server
>> (e.g.
>> http://openmeetings.mydomain.tld:5080/openmeetings). At first, I was
>> using the
>> internal address of the OM server, so my invitees were instructed to go
>> to the
>> meeting at http://192.168.x.x<meeting_id>. Clearly, that didn't work.
>> Others
>> may know of another way to accomplish what you're after.
>>
>> Dimitri
>>
>>
>> On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
>> > The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
>> > Things are working nicely now.
>> > However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which
>> means
>> > nothing to the recipient.
>> > How do I send my IP address in the email?
>> >
>> > Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
>> > wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it
>> gives
>> > the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP address in
>> > the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings because the
>> > router does not recognize the request.
>> >
>> > ~David
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> This message has been scanned for viruses and
>> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
>> believed to be clean.
>>
>>
>
Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by Jacob Gaiski <jg...@emich.edu>.
Did you set the bindings to your external IP address in red5.properties?
From: David Takle
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:13 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Dimitri,
Your comment raises a lot of questions for me.
First, are you using a laptop/desktop for your server? If so, how did you get a domain name for it?
Second, using 'ipconfig' on my XP, I got a 192.168.x.x address that worked fine from my 2nd computer. Was that only because it is on the same side of the modem? Would that address not work for the rest of the world to use?
Thanks!
~David
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com> wrote:
I've found that you need to log into OM with the FQDN of your OM server (e.g.
http://openmeetings.mydomain.tld:5080/openmeetings). At first, I was using the
internal address of the OM server, so my invitees were instructed to go to the
meeting at http://192.168.x.x<meeting_id>. Clearly, that didn't work. Others
may know of another way to accomplish what you're after.
Dimitri
On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
> The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
> Things are working nicely now.
> However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which means
> nothing to the recipient.
> How do I send my IP address in the email?
>
> Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
> wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it gives
> the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP address in
> the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings because the
> router does not recognize the request.
>
> ~David
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Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by Jacob Gaiski <jg...@emich.edu>.
Sorry to write twice. Typically your routers IP address is your entire networks external IP address. http://www.whatismyip.com/ will tell you.
I’m sure you’re aware of networking, but the router handles all requests and pools them into a DB. It then determines which request goes to which machine. Assuming your router does not have immense security, it should always be able to find the service assuming that your IP address is bound to your external IP.
If your server is running in a DMZ than the situation might be a little different.
Been a while since I’ve had to do networking.
-Jake
From: David Takle
Sent: Friday, September 28, 2012 3:13 PM
To: openmeetings-user@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Dimitri,
Your comment raises a lot of questions for me.
First, are you using a laptop/desktop for your server? If so, how did you get a domain name for it?
Second, using 'ipconfig' on my XP, I got a 192.168.x.x address that worked fine from my 2nd computer. Was that only because it is on the same side of the modem? Would that address not work for the rest of the world to use?
Thanks!
~David
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com> wrote:
I've found that you need to log into OM with the FQDN of your OM server (e.g.
http://openmeetings.mydomain.tld:5080/openmeetings). At first, I was using the
internal address of the OM server, so my invitees were instructed to go to the
meeting at http://192.168.x.x<meeting_id>. Clearly, that didn't work. Others
may know of another way to accomplish what you're after.
Dimitri
On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
> The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
> Things are working nicely now.
> However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which means
> nothing to the recipient.
> How do I send my IP address in the email?
>
> Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
> wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it gives
> the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP address in
> the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings because the
> router does not recognize the request.
>
> ~David
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Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by David Takle <dj...@gmail.com>.
Dimitri,
Your comment raises a lot of questions for me.
First, are you using a laptop/desktop for your server? If so, how did you
get a domain name for it?
Second, using 'ipconfig' on my XP, I got a 192.168.x.x address that worked
fine from my 2nd computer. Was that only because it is on the same side of
the modem? Would that address not work for the rest of the world to use?
Thanks!
~David
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:04 PM, Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com>wrote:
> I've found that you need to log into OM with the FQDN of your OM server
> (e.g.
> http://openmeetings.mydomain.tld:5080/openmeetings). At first, I was
> using the
> internal address of the OM server, so my invitees were instructed to go to
> the
> meeting at http://192.168.x.x<meeting_id>. Clearly, that didn't work.
> Others
> may know of another way to accomplish what you're after.
>
> Dimitri
>
>
> On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
> > The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
> > Things are working nicely now.
> > However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which means
> > nothing to the recipient.
> > How do I send my IP address in the email?
> >
> > Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
> > wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it
> gives
> > the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP address in
> > the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings because the
> > router does not recognize the request.
> >
> > ~David
>
>
>
> --
> This message has been scanned for viruses and
> dangerous content by MailScanner, and is
> believed to be clean.
>
>
Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com>.
I've found that you need to log into OM with the FQDN of your OM server (e.g.
http://openmeetings.mydomain.tld:5080/openmeetings). At first, I was using the
internal address of the OM server, so my invitees were instructed to go to the
meeting at http://192.168.x.x<meeting_id>. Clearly, that didn't work. Others
may know of another way to accomplish what you're after.
Dimitri
On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
> The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
> Things are working nicely now.
> However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which means
> nothing to the recipient.
> How do I send my IP address in the email?
>
> Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
> wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it gives
> the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP address in
> the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings because the
> router does not recognize the request.
>
> ~David
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Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by David Takle <dj...@gmail.com>.
Thanks. I will give that a try as soon as I figure out how to login to my
router [?]
On Fri, Sep 28, 2012 at 3:18 PM, Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com>wrote:
> Your second question: you need to forward port 5080 to your PC, if your
> wireless
> router has port forwarding capability (it should).
>
> HTH
>
> Dimitri
>
>
> On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
> > The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
> > Things are working nicely now.
> > However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which means
> > nothing to the recipient.
> > How do I send my IP address in the email?
> >
> > Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
> > wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it
> gives
> > the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP address in
> > the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings because the
> > router does not recognize the request.
> >
> > ~David
>
>
>
> --
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>
>
Re: Sending IP Address in Emails
Posted by Dimitri Yioulos <dy...@onpointfc.com>.
Your second question: you need to forward port 5080 to your PC, if your wireless
router has port forwarding capability (it should).
HTH
Dimitri
On Friday 28 September 2012 2:56:08 pm David Takle wrote:
> The Derby DB went nutso on me, so I started over with MySQL.
> Things are working nicely now.
> However, when I send out an email invite, it says "localhost" which means
> nothing to the recipient.
> How do I send my IP address in the email?
>
> Further, how do I get the IP address of my PC when it goes through a
> wireless router? If I go to a website that provides my IP address, it gives
> the address of my router, not the PC. If I substitute that IP address in
> the email invitation, it does not connect to OpenMeetings because the
> router does not recognize the request.
>
> ~David
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