Stakeholders

[Lucas Bonatto Miguel <lu...@apache.org>]

Hi,

This is a question for the mentors or any other person with more experience
in the Apache process than me.

Should stakeholders be listed as committers as well? In this context
stakeholders are people who are involved with the project, make non-code
contributions, but help with architectural discussions, product design,
etc. It is important for those people to have access to our Slack and most
resources that committers have.

I am not sure if I used the right terms, but I didn't find much online
about this subject.

- Lucas

Re: Stakeholders

[Daniel Takabayashi <da...@gmail.com>]

Help a lot. Thank's.

Em qui, 4 de out de 2018 às 13:30, Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>
escreveu:

> “The Apache Way” values “community over code” and is meritocracy driven, so
> any kind of contributions, code or non-code can be used to suggest a
> contributor as committer.
>
> Having said that, Marvin is now an Apache project, and all what we do is
> open. We also have a say that “if it didn’t happen on the mailing list, it
> didn’t happen”.... and the list is publicly and archived. While, to certain
> extent, we are ok with chat applications, final decisions and communication
> needs to happen on the mailing list which is open to all (but i believe
> slack is also open to all)
>
> In reality, a coommitter is a contributor, that based on trust from
> previous contributions, was given write access to the repo.
>
> And to finalize, after the initial list of committers that came with Marvin
> proposal, new committers need to be elected by PPMC.
>
> Hope this helps...
>
>
> On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 16:09 Lucas Bonatto Miguel <lu...@apache.org>
> wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > This is a question for the mentors or any other person with more
> experience
> > in the Apache process than me.
> >
> > Should stakeholders be listed as committers as well? In this context
> > stakeholders are people who are involved with the project, make non-code
> > contributions, but help with architectural discussions, product design,
> > etc. It is important for those people to have access to our Slack and
> most
> > resources that committers have.
> >
> > I am not sure if I used the right terms, but I didn't find much online
> > about this subject.
> >
> > - Lucas
> >
> --
> Sent from my Mobile device
>

Re: Stakeholders

[Luciano Resende <lu...@gmail.com>]

“The Apache Way” values “community over code” and is meritocracy driven, so
any kind of contributions, code or non-code can be used to suggest a
contributor as committer.

Having said that, Marvin is now an Apache project, and all what we do is
open. We also have a say that “if it didn’t happen on the mailing list, it
didn’t happen”.... and the list is publicly and archived. While, to certain
extent, we are ok with chat applications, final decisions and communication
needs to happen on the mailing list which is open to all (but i believe
slack is also open to all)

In reality, a coommitter is a contributor, that based on trust from
previous contributions, was given write access to the repo.

And to finalize, after the initial list of committers that came with Marvin
proposal, new committers need to be elected by PPMC.

Hope this helps...


On Thu, Oct 4, 2018 at 16:09 Lucas Bonatto Miguel <lu...@apache.org>
wrote:

> Hi,
>
> This is a question for the mentors or any other person with more experience
> in the Apache process than me.
>
> Should stakeholders be listed as committers as well? In this context
> stakeholders are people who are involved with the project, make non-code
> contributions, but help with architectural discussions, product design,
> etc. It is important for those people to have access to our Slack and most
> resources that committers have.
>
> I am not sure if I used the right terms, but I didn't find much online
> about this subject.
>
> - Lucas
>
-- 
Sent from my Mobile device

Re: Stakeholders

[Jim Jagielski <ji...@jaguNET.com>]

Yes, anyone who provides any contribution of value, gains merit, whether that contribution is code or not. It is unfortunate that the 'committer' tag is a holdover from the "old days" when it marked someone with commit-bit, but I consider it more nowadays as a tag that the person is "committed" to the project. Yes, they should be added and listed as committers. Please note that being added as committers means that they need to be submitted to a vote of the present PPMC and elected in.

> On Oct 4, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Lucas Bonatto Miguel <lu...@apache.org> wrote:
> 
> Hi,
> 
> This is a question for the mentors or any other person with more experience
> in the Apache process than me.
> 
> Should stakeholders be listed as committers as well? In this context
> stakeholders are people who are involved with the project, make non-code
> contributions, but help with architectural discussions, product design,
> etc. It is important for those people to have access to our Slack and most
> resources that committers have.
> 
> I am not sure if I used the right terms, but I didn't find much online
> about this subject.
> 
> - Lucas