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Progress plan??? (was Re: New icon theme)
Hi Matthias, all
> On 06/11/2024 2:37 PM WEST Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > If any programmer would like to look into this, it would be great. For the moment under Linux (at least Ubuntu) switching the Gnome UI to Dark mode causes OpenOffice to switch to High Contrast (if the Accessibility option "Automatically detect high contrast mode of operating system" is enabled, which is the default)
>
> We could change the default, but would that help?
>
> On Windows, I never managed to get AOO use a dark UI. I could only
> enable HC mode and then AOO switches accordingly.
Yes, the problem needs to be solved properly and the solution is not the same under Windows and Linux.
> > In any case the current High Contrast icon theme is also a "quick and dirty" solution which doesn't work on a light background...
>
> High Contrast was initially dark UI. But Microsoft added some new themes
> in Windows. So now we also have a white HC theme.
Yes, I had not tried that before! Unfortunately it does not work for AOO because there is only one HC mode and so everything is HC white except for AOO which is HC black :)
In any case, there are quite a few inconsistencies regarding HC mode. I particularly don't like that it also inverts the AOO and Apache logos!
> That would be the goal. But honestly, we have more important things on
> our list.
>
> Adding a new icon set is (technically) easy when we have the icons. But
> users will never see them if we cannot release it.
I fully agree!
Can we (all) agree on a progress plan?
All the best,
Pedro
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Re: Progress plan??? (was Re: New icon theme)
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Pedro, All,
Am 11.06.24 um 16:19 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias, all
>
>> On 06/11/2024 2:37 PM WEST Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>> If any programmer would like to look into this, it would be great. For the moment under Linux (at least Ubuntu) switching the Gnome UI to Dark mode causes OpenOffice to switch to High Contrast (if the Accessibility option "Automatically detect high contrast mode of operating system" is enabled, which is the default)
>> We could change the default, but would that help?
>>
>> On Windows, I never managed to get AOO use a dark UI. I could only
>> enable HC mode and then AOO switches accordingly.
> Yes, the problem needs to be solved properly and the solution is not the same under Windows and Linux.
>
>>> In any case the current High Contrast icon theme is also a "quick and dirty" solution which doesn't work on a light background...
>> High Contrast was initially dark UI. But Microsoft added some new themes
>> in Windows. So now we also have a white HC theme.
> Yes, I had not tried that before! Unfortunately it does not work for AOO because there is only one HC mode and so everything is HC white except for AOO which is HC black :)
>
> In any case, there are quite a few inconsistencies regarding HC mode. I particularly don't like that it also inverts the AOO and Apache logos!
These are simply graphics. If you have a better solution just commit
them, e.g. here:
https://github.com/apache/openoffice/blob/trunk/main/default_images/framework/res/backing_hc.png
>
>> That would be the goal. But honestly, we have more important things on
>> our list.
>>
>> Adding a new icon set is (technically) easy when we have the icons. But
>> users will never see them if we cannot release it.
> I fully agree!
>
> Can we (all) agree on a progress plan?
Yes, a Roadmap for 2024 (and beyond) would be great!
Most of my plans are on hold until we have a solution for releasing 4.2.0.
Regards,
Matthias
>
> All the best,
> Pedro
>
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Re: Progress plan??? (was Re: New icon theme)
Posted by Aivaras Stepukonis <as...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
2024-06-11 17:19, Pedro Lino rašė:
> Can we (all) agree on a progress plan?
Now that I’ve collected additional information about our needs and
requirements regarding the new icon set, I’ll allocate some time to
search for a graphics designer (hopefully, I should start this in the
coming weeks).
Otherwise, I concentrate on LT localization.
--
Pagarbiai / Sincerely,
📧 Aivaras Stepukonis <ma...@gmail.com>
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2024-06-11 17:19, Pedro Lino rašė:
> Hi Matthias, all
>
>> On 06/11/2024 2:37 PM WEST Matthias Seidel<ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>> If any programmer would like to look into this, it would be great. For the moment under Linux (at least Ubuntu) switching the Gnome UI to Dark mode causes OpenOffice to switch to High Contrast (if the Accessibility option "Automatically detect high contrast mode of operating system" is enabled, which is the default)
>> We could change the default, but would that help?
>>
>> On Windows, I never managed to get AOO use a dark UI. I could only
>> enable HC mode and then AOO switches accordingly.
> Yes, the problem needs to be solved properly and the solution is not the same under Windows and Linux.
>
>>> In any case the current High Contrast icon theme is also a "quick and dirty" solution which doesn't work on a light background...
>> High Contrast was initially dark UI. But Microsoft added some new themes
>> in Windows. So now we also have a white HC theme.
> Yes, I had not tried that before! Unfortunately it does not work for AOO because there is only one HC mode and so everything is HC white except for AOO which is HC black :)
>
> In any case, there are quite a few inconsistencies regarding HC mode. I particularly don't like that it also inverts the AOO and Apache logos!
>
>> That would be the goal. But honestly, we have more important things on
>> our list.
>>
>> Adding a new icon set is (technically) easy when we have the icons. But
>> users will never see them if we cannot release it.
> I fully agree!
>
> Can we (all) agree on a progress plan?
>
> All the best,
> Pedro
>
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Re: Progress plan??? (was Re: New icon theme)
Posted by Dave Fisher <wa...@apache.org>.
> On Nov 1, 2024, at 7:38 AM, Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>
> Hi Pedro, All,
>
> Am 11.06.24 um 23:36 schrieb Pedro Lino:
>> Hi Matthias, all
>>
>>> On 06/11/2024 3:27 PM WEST Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>>> In any case, there are quite a few inconsistencies regarding HC mode. I particularly don't like that it also inverts the AOO and Apache logos!
>>> These are simply graphics. If you have a better solution just commit
>>> them, e.g. here:
>>>
>>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice/blob/trunk/main/default_images/framework/res/backing_hc.png
>> Really? I thought it was a real time color inversion :)
>> Do you have the SVGs for these?
>>
>> I think the logos should maintain their registered colors even with the black background. Do you agree?
>
> I am in the process to upload a new revision of graphics for the StartCenter. Logos will not be inverted in HC mode now.
>
> Nobody else seems to be interested, but I do what I can do.
>
> We are still missing a Progress Plan/Roadmap for the future...
I think we have various areas we are working on according to our interests. Most of what happens is more operational than development.
A starting point would be
1. To discuss areas where work is happening.
2. Make clear “easy picks" to guide new people to where they might help.
Best,
Dave
>
> Matthias
>
>>
>>>> Can we (all) agree on a progress plan?
>>> Yes, a Roadmap for 2024 (and beyond) would be great!
>>>
>>> Most of my plans are on hold until we have a solution for releasing 4.2.0.
>> First of all what can be done about the translations? Pootle seems to work correctly. People seem to keep working on the translations. Are we switching because it is discontinued? Can we migrate the current work to another platform?
>>
>> Best,
>> Pedro
>>
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Re: Progress plan??? (was Re: New icon theme)
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Pedro, All,
Am 11.06.24 um 23:36 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias, all
>
>> On 06/11/2024 3:27 PM WEST Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>> In any case, there are quite a few inconsistencies regarding HC mode. I particularly don't like that it also inverts the AOO and Apache logos!
>> These are simply graphics. If you have a better solution just commit
>> them, e.g. here:
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice/blob/trunk/main/default_images/framework/res/backing_hc.png
> Really? I thought it was a real time color inversion :)
> Do you have the SVGs for these?
>
> I think the logos should maintain their registered colors even with the black background. Do you agree?
I am in the process to upload a new revision of graphics for the
StartCenter. Logos will not be inverted in HC mode now.
Nobody else seems to be interested, but I do what I can do.
We are still missing a Progress Plan/Roadmap for the future...
Matthias
>
>>> Can we (all) agree on a progress plan?
>> Yes, a Roadmap for 2024 (and beyond) would be great!
>>
>> Most of my plans are on hold until we have a solution for releasing 4.2.0.
> First of all what can be done about the translations? Pootle seems to work correctly. People seem to keep working on the translations. Are we switching because it is discontinued? Can we migrate the current work to another platform?
>
> Best,
> Pedro
>
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Re: Progress plan??? (was Re: New icon theme)
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Pedro,
Am 11.06.24 um 23:36 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias, all
>
>> On 06/11/2024 3:27 PM WEST Matthias Seidel<ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>> In any case, there are quite a few inconsistencies regarding HC mode. I particularly don't like that it also inverts the AOO and Apache logos!
>> These are simply graphics. If you have a better solution just commit
>> them, e.g. here:
>>
>> https://github.com/apache/openoffice/blob/trunk/main/default_images/framework/res/backing_hc.png
> Really? I thought it was a real time color inversion :)
> Do you have the SVGs for these?
No. They are all PNG.
> I think the logos should maintain their registered colors even with the black background. Do you agree?
I am not visually impaired and have no idea what would be the best for
High Contrast. ;-)
>>> Can we (all) agree on a progress plan?
>> Yes, a Roadmap for 2024 (and beyond) would be great!
>>
>> Most of my plans are on hold until we have a solution for releasing 4.2.0.
> First of all what can be done about the translations? Pootle seems to work correctly. People seem to keep working on the translations. Are we switching because it is discontinued? Can we migrate the current work to another platform?
The situation with Pootle is unchanged for years now. It *somehow*
works, but the import/export not. The strings you see in Pootle are not
up to date and even if you translate them the exports (to SDF) we have
are outdated.
Due to this situation the translations have slowed down to almost zero.
Regards,
Matthias
> Best,
> Pedro
>
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Re: Progress plan??? (was Re: New icon theme)
Posted by Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de>.
Hi Pedro,
Am 01.11.24 um 20:48 schrieb Pedro Lino:
> Hi Matthias
>
>> On 11/01/2024 2:38 PM WET Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
>>> I think the logos should maintain their registered colors even with the black background. Do you agree?
>> I am in the process to upload a new revision of graphics for the
>> StartCenter. Logos will not be inverted in HC mode now.
> Thank you! I think that makes sense.
>
>> Nobody else seems to be interested, but I do what I can do.
> As a non-programmer that is also all I can do...
>
>> We are still missing a Progress Plan/Roadmap for the future...
> Indeed. There were some plans for the translations (the options were beyond my technical understanding) but there was little feedback and no decisions were made...
>
> In my opinion we should at least release 4.1.16 before the year's end..
Personally, I will *not* do a release 2 days before Christmas again... :-D
Matthias
>
> Best,
> Pedro
>
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Re: Progress plan??? (was Re: New icon theme)
Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org.INVALID>.
Hi Matthias
> On 11/01/2024 2:38 PM WET Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > I think the logos should maintain their registered colors even with the black background. Do you agree?
>
> I am in the process to upload a new revision of graphics for the
> StartCenter. Logos will not be inverted in HC mode now.
Thank you! I think that makes sense.
> Nobody else seems to be interested, but I do what I can do.
As a non-programmer that is also all I can do...
> We are still missing a Progress Plan/Roadmap for the future...
Indeed. There were some plans for the translations (the options were beyond my technical understanding) but there was little feedback and no decisions were made...
In my opinion we should at least release 4.1.16 before the year's end..
Best,
Pedro
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Re: Progress plan??? (was Re: New icon theme)
Posted by Pedro Lino <pe...@mailbox.org.INVALID>.
Hi Matthias, all
> On 06/11/2024 3:27 PM WEST Matthias Seidel <ma...@hamburg.de> wrote:
> > In any case, there are quite a few inconsistencies regarding HC mode. I particularly don't like that it also inverts the AOO and Apache logos!
>
> These are simply graphics. If you have a better solution just commit
> them, e.g. here:
>
> https://github.com/apache/openoffice/blob/trunk/main/default_images/framework/res/backing_hc.png
Really? I thought it was a real time color inversion :)
Do you have the SVGs for these?
I think the logos should maintain their registered colors even with the black background. Do you agree?
> > Can we (all) agree on a progress plan?
>
> Yes, a Roadmap for 2024 (and beyond) would be great!
>
> Most of my plans are on hold until we have a solution for releasing 4.2.0.
First of all what can be done about the translations? Pootle seems to work correctly. People seem to keep working on the translations. Are we switching because it is discontinued? Can we migrate the current work to another platform?
Best,
Pedro
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