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Posted to users@groovy.apache.org by MG <mg...@arscreat.com> on 2018/06/13 15:33:45 UTC
GraalVM/Truffle ?
Since GraalVM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GraalVM) was mentioned here
recently: Do we have any statement on plans of Groovy with regards to
GraalVM, including Truffle ? It might be good to have an official
statement here on the main Groovy page and on Wikipedia
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Groovy), even if it e.g., in
essence, just states "Groovy runs/will run fine on GraalVM", "The
Truffle license (GPL 2.0 w CP exception) is not compatible with Apache
Groovy" or "Truffle makes no sense for Groovy (at this point)"...
Cheers,
mg
Re: GraalVM/Truffle ?
Posted by Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au>.
As it turns out, I haven't tried the indy artifacts/compilation switches as
yet, just the "classic/standard" jars. I'd suspect though that most benefit
would occur if targeting the GraalVM specifically when generating bytecode.
Cheers, Paul.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 10:42 PM Winnebeck, Jason <
Jason.Winnebeck@windstream.com> wrote:
> It’s interesting that it is slower, because I thought the point of it was
> to improve performance, especially regarding escape analysis and
> invokedynamic instruction? They’ve been publishing some very interesting
> benchmarks. The AOT mode is very interesting, too, especially if someone
> wanted to make some CLI commands in Groovy, although the resulting
> executables are still very large if you just wanted to make some shell
> “scripts” in Groovy. Though, I would suspect its AOT mode is not very
> compatible with Groovy due to extensive use of reflection.
>
>
>
> Jason
>
>
>
> *From:* Paul King [mailto:paulk@asert.com.au]
> *Sent:* Thursday, June 14, 2018 4:30 AM
> *To:* users@groovy.apache.org
> *Subject:* Re: GraalVM/Truffle ?
>
>
>
> Running numerous scripts on GraalVM worked fine for me and was only
> slightly slower in my tests than the standard Oracle JVM. I haven't done
> extensive testing though.
>
>
>
> As for actually leveraging any special GraalVM capabilities, I am not
> aware of any completed work/concrete plans to date.
>
>
>
> As for licensing, it may or may not be an issue. We'll have to see how
> things progress before we can say.
>
>
>
> Cheers, Paul.
>
>
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 1:33 AM MG <mg...@arscreat.com> wrote:
>
> Since GraalVM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GraalVM
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGraalVM&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Winnebeck%40windstream.com%7Ce67a260963094d72ed7008d5d1d10f35%7C2567b4c1b0ed40f5aee358d7c5f3e2b2%7C1%7C0%7C636645618198046382&sdata=oRUQ9fKzVaQXVOfwFCvleWQIbsWWWh1uIoSuaJCOfaI%3D&reserved=0>)
> was mentioned here
> recently: Do we have any statement on plans of Groovy with regards to
> GraalVM, including Truffle ? It might be good to have an official
> statement here on the main Groovy page and on Wikipedia
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Groovy
> <https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FApache_Groovy&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Winnebeck%40windstream.com%7Ce67a260963094d72ed7008d5d1d10f35%7C2567b4c1b0ed40f5aee358d7c5f3e2b2%7C1%7C0%7C636645618198056394&sdata=THXlJXbqPZTA5td46Ore5UcoH9eTVnDkChajzmUCego%3D&reserved=0>),
> even if it e.g., in
> essence, just states "Groovy runs/will run fine on GraalVM", "The
> Truffle license (GPL 2.0 w CP exception) is not compatible with Apache
> Groovy" or "Truffle makes no sense for Groovy (at this point)"...
>
> Cheers,
> mg
>
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RE: GraalVM/Truffle ?
Posted by "Winnebeck, Jason" <Ja...@windstream.com>.
It’s interesting that it is slower, because I thought the point of it was to improve performance, especially regarding escape analysis and invokedynamic instruction? They’ve been publishing some very interesting benchmarks. The AOT mode is very interesting, too, especially if someone wanted to make some CLI commands in Groovy, although the resulting executables are still very large if you just wanted to make some shell “scripts” in Groovy. Though, I would suspect its AOT mode is not very compatible with Groovy due to extensive use of reflection.
Jason
From: Paul King [mailto:paulk@asert.com.au]
Sent: Thursday, June 14, 2018 4:30 AM
To: users@groovy.apache.org
Subject: Re: GraalVM/Truffle ?
Running numerous scripts on GraalVM worked fine for me and was only slightly slower in my tests than the standard Oracle JVM. I haven't done extensive testing though.
As for actually leveraging any special GraalVM capabilities, I am not aware of any completed work/concrete plans to date.
As for licensing, it may or may not be an issue. We'll have to see how things progress before we can say.
Cheers, Paul.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 1:33 AM MG <mg...@arscreat.com>> wrote:
Since GraalVM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GraalVM<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FGraalVM&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Winnebeck%40windstream.com%7Ce67a260963094d72ed7008d5d1d10f35%7C2567b4c1b0ed40f5aee358d7c5f3e2b2%7C1%7C0%7C636645618198046382&sdata=oRUQ9fKzVaQXVOfwFCvleWQIbsWWWh1uIoSuaJCOfaI%3D&reserved=0>) was mentioned here
recently: Do we have any statement on plans of Groovy with regards to
GraalVM, including Truffle ? It might be good to have an official
statement here on the main Groovy page and on Wikipedia
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Groovy<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fen.wikipedia.org%2Fwiki%2FApache_Groovy&data=02%7C01%7CJason.Winnebeck%40windstream.com%7Ce67a260963094d72ed7008d5d1d10f35%7C2567b4c1b0ed40f5aee358d7c5f3e2b2%7C1%7C0%7C636645618198056394&sdata=THXlJXbqPZTA5td46Ore5UcoH9eTVnDkChajzmUCego%3D&reserved=0>), even if it e.g., in
essence, just states "Groovy runs/will run fine on GraalVM", "The
Truffle license (GPL 2.0 w CP exception) is not compatible with Apache
Groovy" or "Truffle makes no sense for Groovy (at this point)"...
Cheers,
mg
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Re: GraalVM/Truffle ?
Posted by Paul King <pa...@asert.com.au>.
Running numerous scripts on GraalVM worked fine for me and was only
slightly slower in my tests than the standard Oracle JVM. I haven't done
extensive testing though.
As for actually leveraging any special GraalVM capabilities, I am not aware
of any completed work/concrete plans to date.
As for licensing, it may or may not be an issue. We'll have to see how
things progress before we can say.
Cheers, Paul.
On Thu, Jun 14, 2018 at 1:33 AM MG <mg...@arscreat.com> wrote:
> Since GraalVM (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GraalVM) was mentioned here
> recently: Do we have any statement on plans of Groovy with regards to
> GraalVM, including Truffle ? It might be good to have an official
> statement here on the main Groovy page and on Wikipedia
> (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apache_Groovy), even if it e.g., in
> essence, just states "Groovy runs/will run fine on GraalVM", "The
> Truffle license (GPL 2.0 w CP exception) is not compatible with Apache
> Groovy" or "Truffle makes no sense for Groovy (at this point)"...
>
> Cheers,
> mg
>
>
>