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Posted to dev@ws.apache.org by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> on 2010/10/15 17:00:32 UTC
[PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting
the confluence site
We've got 1.5 web sites here.
There's
http://ws.apache.org
which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which
isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6.
Then we've got:
https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index
which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the
above) to be useful.
I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant
problems, put it to a vote.
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of
exporting the confluence site
Posted by Sagara Gunathunga <sa...@gmail.com>.
+1 for Confluence .
Ideally pages like this [1] should be updated with noticeable events
of sub projects and I also believe it's much more easy to maintains
Confluence than Forrest.
[1] - http://ws.apache.org/news.html
Thanks !
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 11:03 AM, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-)
>
> On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote:
>> We've got 1.5 web sites here.
>>
>> There's
>>
>> http://ws.apache.org
>>
>> which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which
>> isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6.
>>
>> Then we've got:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index
>>
>> which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the
>> above) to be useful.
>
> Well, it's already being exported:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/WS
>
> but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content. But
> the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing the
> Confluence content is much easier.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>> I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant
>> problems, put it to a vote.
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
>
--
Sagara Gunathunga
Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of
exporting the confluence site
Posted by Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>.
Nadir,
There is also a user who would like to submit updates for the
Axis1/Java site (which as you pointed out is intertwined with
Axis/C++) and who is struggling with the Forrest stuff [1]. Maybe you
can join that discussion to see what can be done for the old Axis1
site.
Andreas
[1] http://markmail.org/thread/w335pq7dgoyeq3bz
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 02:12, Sagara Gunathunga
<sa...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi Nadir,
>
> There are some discussions on java-dev list about axis site redesign
> [1] that also based on Confluence. Chanaka Jayasena already making
> some progress on this and you may join with him or you can take your
> own path. The best place to have your discussion is either axis
> java-dev list or this Jira ticket [2].
>
>
> [1] - http://osdir.com/ml/java-dev/2010-10/msg00034.html
> [2] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-4773
>
> Thanks !
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Nadir,
>>
>> Axis is its own TLP. It left its web content behind at
>> people.apache.org:/www/ws.apache.org/
>>
>> axis
>> axis2
>> axis-c
>>
>>
>> They should be making themselves a new web site under axis.apache.org,
>> instead of what there is so far, a single HTML page under
>> axis.apache.org pointing back into ws.apache.org.
>>
>>
>>
>> You are listed as a PMC member of the new Axis TLP, perhaps you could
>> lead the charge there?
>>
>> --benson
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Nadir Amra <am...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>>> Benson,
>>>
>>> Yes, Axis C++ and Axis are intertwined.
>>>
>>> So where is the content and are there any pointers to how to perform the
>>> updates? I can read about Confluence some more, but where exactly is the
>>> content for Axis?
>>>
>>> Nadir Amra
>>> Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System
>>> Internet: amra@us.ibm.com
>>>
>>> Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote on 10/15/2010 05:38:06 PM:
>>>
>>>> From: Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: general@ws.apache.org
>>>> Date: 10/15/2010 05:38 PM
>>>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor
>>>> of exporting the confluence site
>>>>
>>>> I'm confused. Didn't Axis C++ travel with the rest of Axis? Obviously
>>>> I wasn't paying enough attention.
>>>>
>>>> Anyway, people can start improving the Confluence content starting
>>>> Right Now, and when we like it I can perform the switcharoo.
>>>>
>>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Nadir Amra <am...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>>>> > +1 for Confluence.
>>>> >
>>>> > I want to be also involved in updating the Axis C++ content ....just to
>>>> > make
>>>> > you all aware. There is a lot of stuff that needs to be cleaned up.
>>>> >
>>>> > Nadir Amra
>>>> > Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System
>>>> > IBM Rochester, MN, (Tel. 507-253-0645, t/l 553-0645)
>>>> > Internet: amra@us.ibm.com
>>>> >
>>>> > Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com> wrote on 10/15/2010 02:25:37
>>>> > PM:
>>>> >
>>>> >> From: Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>
>>>> >> To: general@ws.apache.org
>>>> >> Cc: Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
>>>> >> Date: 10/15/2010 02:26 PM
>>>> >> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor
>>>> >> of exporting the confluence site
>>>> >>
>>>> >> +1 for Confluence.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but
>>>> >> there are two technical questions that are not clear to me:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained?
>>>> >> 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to
>>>> >> be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact
>>>> >> that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Andreas
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-)
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>> >> >> We've got 1.5 web sites here.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> There's
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> http://ws.apache.org
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which
>>>> >> >> isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java
>>>> >> >> 1.6.
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> Then we've got:
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index
>>>> >> >>
>>>> >> >> which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the
>>>> >> >> above) to be useful.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Well, it's already being exported:
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/WS
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content.
>>>> >> > But
>>>> >> > the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing
>>>> >> > the
>>>> >> > Confluence content is much easier.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > Dan
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> >> I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant
>>>> >> >> problems, put it to a vote.
>>>> >> >
>>>> >> > --
>>>> >> > Daniel Kulp
>>>> >> > dkulp@apache.org
>>>> >> > http://dankulp.com/blog
>>>> >> >
>>>> >
>>>
>>
>
>
>
> --
> Sagara Gunathunga
>
> Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
> Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
>
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of
exporting the confluence site
Posted by Sagara Gunathunga <sa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Nadir,
There are some discussions on java-dev list about axis site redesign
[1] that also based on Confluence. Chanaka Jayasena already making
some progress on this and you may join with him or you can take your
own path. The best place to have your discussion is either axis
java-dev list or this Jira ticket [2].
[1] - http://osdir.com/ml/java-dev/2010-10/msg00034.html
[2] - https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/AXIS2-4773
Thanks !
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 7:03 PM, Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Nadir,
>
> Axis is its own TLP. It left its web content behind at
> people.apache.org:/www/ws.apache.org/
>
> axis
> axis2
> axis-c
>
>
> They should be making themselves a new web site under axis.apache.org,
> instead of what there is so far, a single HTML page under
> axis.apache.org pointing back into ws.apache.org.
>
>
>
> You are listed as a PMC member of the new Axis TLP, perhaps you could
> lead the charge there?
>
> --benson
>
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Nadir Amra <am...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>> Benson,
>>
>> Yes, Axis C++ and Axis are intertwined.
>>
>> So where is the content and are there any pointers to how to perform the
>> updates? I can read about Confluence some more, but where exactly is the
>> content for Axis?
>>
>> Nadir Amra
>> Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System
>> Internet: amra@us.ibm.com
>>
>> Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote on 10/15/2010 05:38:06 PM:
>>
>>> From: Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
>>> To: general@ws.apache.org
>>> Date: 10/15/2010 05:38 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor
>>> of exporting the confluence site
>>>
>>> I'm confused. Didn't Axis C++ travel with the rest of Axis? Obviously
>>> I wasn't paying enough attention.
>>>
>>> Anyway, people can start improving the Confluence content starting
>>> Right Now, and when we like it I can perform the switcharoo.
>>>
>>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Nadir Amra <am...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>>> > +1 for Confluence.
>>> >
>>> > I want to be also involved in updating the Axis C++ content ....just to
>>> > make
>>> > you all aware. There is a lot of stuff that needs to be cleaned up.
>>> >
>>> > Nadir Amra
>>> > Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System
>>> > IBM Rochester, MN, (Tel. 507-253-0645, t/l 553-0645)
>>> > Internet: amra@us.ibm.com
>>> >
>>> > Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com> wrote on 10/15/2010 02:25:37
>>> > PM:
>>> >
>>> >> From: Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>
>>> >> To: general@ws.apache.org
>>> >> Cc: Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
>>> >> Date: 10/15/2010 02:26 PM
>>> >> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor
>>> >> of exporting the confluence site
>>> >>
>>> >> +1 for Confluence.
>>> >>
>>> >> I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but
>>> >> there are two technical questions that are not clear to me:
>>> >>
>>> >> 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained?
>>> >> 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to
>>> >> be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact
>>> >> that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites?
>>> >>
>>> >> Andreas
>>> >>
>>> >> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-)
>>> >> >
>>> >> > On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote:
>>> >> >> We've got 1.5 web sites here.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> There's
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> http://ws.apache.org
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which
>>> >> >> isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java
>>> >> >> 1.6.
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> Then we've got:
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index
>>> >> >>
>>> >> >> which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the
>>> >> >> above) to be useful.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Well, it's already being exported:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/WS
>>> >> >
>>> >> > but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content.
>>> >> > But
>>> >> > the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing
>>> >> > the
>>> >> > Confluence content is much easier.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Dan
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >
>>> >> >> I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant
>>> >> >> problems, put it to a vote.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > --
>>> >> > Daniel Kulp
>>> >> > dkulp@apache.org
>>> >> > http://dankulp.com/blog
>>> >> >
>>> >
>>
>
--
Sagara Gunathunga
Blog - http://ssagara.blogspot.com
Web - http://people.apache.org/~sagara/
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of
exporting the confluence site
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
Nadir,
Axis is its own TLP. It left its web content behind at
people.apache.org:/www/ws.apache.org/
axis
axis2
axis-c
They should be making themselves a new web site under axis.apache.org,
instead of what there is so far, a single HTML page under
axis.apache.org pointing back into ws.apache.org.
You are listed as a PMC member of the new Axis TLP, perhaps you could
lead the charge there?
--benson
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:56 PM, Nadir Amra <am...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> Benson,
>
> Yes, Axis C++ and Axis are intertwined.
>
> So where is the content and are there any pointers to how to perform the
> updates? I can read about Confluence some more, but where exactly is the
> content for Axis?
>
> Nadir Amra
> Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System
> Internet: amra@us.ibm.com
>
> Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote on 10/15/2010 05:38:06 PM:
>
>> From: Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
>> To: general@ws.apache.org
>> Date: 10/15/2010 05:38 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor
>> of exporting the confluence site
>>
>> I'm confused. Didn't Axis C++ travel with the rest of Axis? Obviously
>> I wasn't paying enough attention.
>>
>> Anyway, people can start improving the Confluence content starting
>> Right Now, and when we like it I can perform the switcharoo.
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Nadir Amra <am...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
>> > +1 for Confluence.
>> >
>> > I want to be also involved in updating the Axis C++ content ....just to
>> > make
>> > you all aware. There is a lot of stuff that needs to be cleaned up.
>> >
>> > Nadir Amra
>> > Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System
>> > IBM Rochester, MN, (Tel. 507-253-0645, t/l 553-0645)
>> > Internet: amra@us.ibm.com
>> >
>> > Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com> wrote on 10/15/2010 02:25:37
>> > PM:
>> >
>> >> From: Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>
>> >> To: general@ws.apache.org
>> >> Cc: Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
>> >> Date: 10/15/2010 02:26 PM
>> >> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor
>> >> of exporting the confluence site
>> >>
>> >> +1 for Confluence.
>> >>
>> >> I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but
>> >> there are two technical questions that are not clear to me:
>> >>
>> >> 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained?
>> >> 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to
>> >> be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact
>> >> that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites?
>> >>
>> >> Andreas
>> >>
>> >> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> >
>> >> > I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-)
>> >> >
>> >> > On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote:
>> >> >> We've got 1.5 web sites here.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> There's
>> >> >>
>> >> >> http://ws.apache.org
>> >> >>
>> >> >> which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which
>> >> >> isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java
>> >> >> 1.6.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Then we've got:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index
>> >> >>
>> >> >> which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the
>> >> >> above) to be useful.
>> >> >
>> >> > Well, it's already being exported:
>> >> >
>> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/WS
>> >> >
>> >> > but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content.
>> >> > But
>> >> > the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing
>> >> > the
>> >> > Confluence content is much easier.
>> >> >
>> >> > Dan
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >
>> >> >> I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant
>> >> >> problems, put it to a vote.
>> >> >
>> >> > --
>> >> > Daniel Kulp
>> >> > dkulp@apache.org
>> >> > http://dankulp.com/blog
>> >> >
>> >
>
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the
confluence site
Posted by Nadir Amra <am...@us.ibm.com>.
Benson,
Yes, Axis C++ and Axis are intertwined.
So where is the content and are there any pointers to how to perform the
updates? I can read about Confluence some more, but where exactly is the
content for Axis?
Nadir Amra
Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System
Internet: amra@us.ibm.com
Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com> wrote on 10/15/2010 05:38:06 PM:
> From: Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
> To: general@ws.apache.org
> Date: 10/15/2010 05:38 PM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor
> of exporting the confluence site
>
> I'm confused. Didn't Axis C++ travel with the rest of Axis? Obviously
> I wasn't paying enough attention.
>
> Anyway, people can start improving the Confluence content starting
> Right Now, and when we like it I can perform the switcharoo.
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Nadir Amra <am...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> > +1 for Confluence.
> >
> > I want to be also involved in updating the Axis C++ content ....just
to make
> > you all aware. There is a lot of stuff that needs to be cleaned up.
> >
> > Nadir Amra
> > Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System
> > IBM Rochester, MN, (Tel. 507-253-0645, t/l 553-0645)
> > Internet: amra@us.ibm.com
> >
> > Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com> wrote on 10/15/2010
02:25:37 PM:
> >
> >> From: Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>
> >> To: general@ws.apache.org
> >> Cc: Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
> >> Date: 10/15/2010 02:26 PM
> >> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor
> >> of exporting the confluence site
> >>
> >> +1 for Confluence.
> >>
> >> I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but
> >> there are two technical questions that are not clear to me:
> >>
> >> 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained?
> >> 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to
> >> be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact
> >> that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites?
> >>
> >> Andreas
> >>
> >> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >> >
> >> > I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-)
> >> >
> >> > On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote:
> >> >> We've got 1.5 web sites here.
> >> >>
> >> >> There's
> >> >>
> >> >> http://ws.apache.org
> >> >>
> >> >> which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which
> >> >> isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java
1.6.
> >> >>
> >> >> Then we've got:
> >> >>
> >> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index
> >> >>
> >> >> which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of
the
> >> >> above) to be useful.
> >> >
> >> > Well, it's already being exported:
> >> >
> >> > https://cwiki.apache.org/WS
> >> >
> >> > but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the
content.
> >> > But
> >> > the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think
editing
> >> > the
> >> > Confluence content is much easier.
> >> >
> >> > Dan
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >
> >> >> I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring
giant
> >> >> problems, put it to a vote.
> >> >
> >> > --
> >> > Daniel Kulp
> >> > dkulp@apache.org
> >> > http://dankulp.com/blog
> >> >
> >
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of
exporting the confluence site
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
I'm confused. Didn't Axis C++ travel with the rest of Axis? Obviously
I wasn't paying enough attention.
Anyway, people can start improving the Confluence content starting
Right Now, and when we like it I can perform the switcharoo.
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 6:21 PM, Nadir Amra <am...@us.ibm.com> wrote:
> +1 for Confluence.
>
> I want to be also involved in updating the Axis C++ content ....just to make
> you all aware. There is a lot of stuff that needs to be cleaned up.
>
> Nadir Amra
> Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System
> IBM Rochester, MN, (Tel. 507-253-0645, t/l 553-0645)
> Internet: amra@us.ibm.com
>
> Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com> wrote on 10/15/2010 02:25:37 PM:
>
>> From: Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>
>> To: general@ws.apache.org
>> Cc: Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
>> Date: 10/15/2010 02:26 PM
>> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor
>> of exporting the confluence site
>>
>> +1 for Confluence.
>>
>> I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but
>> there are two technical questions that are not clear to me:
>>
>> 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained?
>> 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to
>> be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact
>> that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites?
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-)
>> >
>> > On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote:
>> >> We've got 1.5 web sites here.
>> >>
>> >> There's
>> >>
>> >> http://ws.apache.org
>> >>
>> >> which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which
>> >> isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6.
>> >>
>> >> Then we've got:
>> >>
>> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index
>> >>
>> >> which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the
>> >> above) to be useful.
>> >
>> > Well, it's already being exported:
>> >
>> > https://cwiki.apache.org/WS
>> >
>> > but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content.
>> > But
>> > the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing
>> > the
>> > Confluence content is much easier.
>> >
>> > Dan
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> >> I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant
>> >> problems, put it to a vote.
>> >
>> > --
>> > Daniel Kulp
>> > dkulp@apache.org
>> > http://dankulp.com/blog
>> >
>
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the
confluence site
Posted by Nadir Amra <am...@us.ibm.com>.
+1 for Confluence.
I want to be also involved in updating the Axis C++ content ....just to
make you all aware. There is a lot of stuff that needs to be cleaned up.
Nadir Amra
Integrated Web Services for IBM i Operating System
IBM Rochester, MN, (Tel. 507-253-0645, t/l 553-0645)
Internet: amra@us.ibm.com
Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com> wrote on 10/15/2010 02:25:37
PM:
> From: Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>
> To: general@ws.apache.org
> Cc: Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>
> Date: 10/15/2010 02:26 PM
> Subject: Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor
> of exporting the confluence site
>
> +1 for Confluence.
>
> I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but
> there are two technical questions that are not clear to me:
>
> 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained?
> 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to
> be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact
> that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites?
>
> Andreas
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-)
> >
> > On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote:
> >> We've got 1.5 web sites here.
> >>
> >> There's
> >>
> >> http://ws.apache.org
> >>
> >> which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which
> >> isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6.
> >>
> >> Then we've got:
> >>
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index
> >>
> >> which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the
> >> above) to be useful.
> >
> > Well, it's already being exported:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/WS
> >
> > but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content.
But
> > the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing
the
> > Confluence content is much easier.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >
> >
> >> I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant
> >> problems, put it to a vote.
> >
> > --
> > Daniel Kulp
> > dkulp@apache.org
> > http://dankulp.com/blog
> >
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of
exporting the confluence site
Posted by Benson Margulies <bi...@gmail.com>.
Everyone seems to like this. I see no reason for a formal vote.
If people would be so kind to update or create confluence content,
when we have a critical mass I can organize the switcheroo.
On Sat, Oct 16, 2010 at 7:45 AM, Colm O hEigeartaigh
<co...@apache.org> wrote:
> Another +1 from me. What about the webpages of the constituent
> projects? For example, WSS4J has its own Forrest generated webpage.
> Maybe this should be merged with the new WS confluence page as well?
>
> Colm.
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Andreas Veithen
> <an...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> +1 for Confluence.
>>
>> I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but
>> there are two technical questions that are not clear to me:
>>
>> 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained?
>> 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to
>> be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact
>> that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites?
>>
>> Andreas
>>
>> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-)
>>>
>>> On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote:
>>>> We've got 1.5 web sites here.
>>>>
>>>> There's
>>>>
>>>> http://ws.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which
>>>> isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6.
>>>>
>>>> Then we've got:
>>>>
>>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index
>>>>
>>>> which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the
>>>> above) to be useful.
>>>
>>> Well, it's already being exported:
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/WS
>>>
>>> but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content. But
>>> the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing the
>>> Confluence content is much easier.
>>>
>>> Dan
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant
>>>> problems, put it to a vote.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Daniel Kulp
>>> dkulp@apache.org
>>> http://dankulp.com/blog
>>>
>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
On Friday 15 October 2010 3:25:37 pm Andreas Veithen wrote:
> +1 for Confluence.
>
> I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but
> there are two technical questions that are not clear to me:
>
> 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained?
This is the big negative. You need admin access to confluence to edit those.
However, admin access is generally given out like candy if needed for this
purpose. There is an AutoExport tab on the Admin page where the capability
to edit the template and re-export the entire space it found.
> 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to
> be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact
> that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites?
Every hour, the confluence stuff is rsynced over to people.apache.org:
/www/confluence-exports. Thus, what is needed is for someone to create a
crontab that each hour, rsyncs stuff from there over to the /www/ws.apache.org
directory.
The maven projects just dump stuff there as well. Thus, as long as the rsync
doesn't delete anything it shouldn't, all is well.
Dan
>
> Andreas
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
> > I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-)
> >
> > On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote:
> >> We've got 1.5 web sites here.
> >>
> >> There's
> >>
> >> http://ws.apache.org
> >>
> >> which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which
> >> isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6.
> >>
> >> Then we've got:
> >>
> >> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index
> >>
> >> which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the
> >> above) to be useful.
> >
> > Well, it's already being exported:
> >
> > https://cwiki.apache.org/WS
> >
> > but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content.
> > But the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think
> > editing the Confluence content is much easier.
> >
> > Dan
> >
> >> I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant
> >> problems, put it to a vote.
> >
> > --
> > Daniel Kulp
> > dkulp@apache.org
> > http://dankulp.com/blog
--
Daniel Kulp
dkulp@apache.org
http://dankulp.com/blog
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of
exporting the confluence site
Posted by Colm O hEigeartaigh <co...@apache.org>.
Another +1 from me. What about the webpages of the constituent
projects? For example, WSS4J has its own Forrest generated webpage.
Maybe this should be merged with the new WS confluence page as well?
Colm.
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 8:25 PM, Andreas Veithen
<an...@gmail.com> wrote:
> +1 for Confluence.
>
> I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but
> there are two technical questions that are not clear to me:
>
> 1. Where and how are the export templates maintained?
> 2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to
> be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact
> that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites?
>
> Andreas
>
> On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>>
>> I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-)
>>
>> On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote:
>>> We've got 1.5 web sites here.
>>>
>>> There's
>>>
>>> http://ws.apache.org
>>>
>>> which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which
>>> isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6.
>>>
>>> Then we've got:
>>>
>>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index
>>>
>>> which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the
>>> above) to be useful.
>>
>> Well, it's already being exported:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/WS
>>
>> but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content. But
>> the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing the
>> Confluence content is much easier.
>>
>> Dan
>>
>>
>>
>>> I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant
>>> problems, put it to a vote.
>>
>> --
>> Daniel Kulp
>> dkulp@apache.org
>> http://dankulp.com/blog
>>
>
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of
exporting the confluence site
Posted by Andreas Veithen <an...@gmail.com>.
+1 for Confluence.
I know more or less how the Confluence auto-export stuff works, but
there are two technical questions that are not clear to me:
1. Where and how are the export templates maintained?
2. How is the exported content (https://cwiki.apache.org/WS) going to
be published to http://ws.apache.org and how will we manage the fact
that some subprojects continue to use generated (Maven) sites?
Andreas
On Fri, Oct 15, 2010 at 17:03, Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-)
>
> On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote:
>> We've got 1.5 web sites here.
>>
>> There's
>>
>> http://ws.apache.org
>>
>> which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which
>> isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6.
>>
>> Then we've got:
>>
>> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index
>>
>> which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the
>> above) to be useful.
>
> Well, it's already being exported:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/WS
>
> but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content. But
> the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing the
> Confluence content is much easier.
>
> Dan
>
>
>
>> I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant
>> problems, put it to a vote.
>
> --
> Daniel Kulp
> dkulp@apache.org
> http://dankulp.com/blog
>
Re: [PROPOSAL]: throw away the 'forrest' web site in favor of exporting the confluence site
Posted by Daniel Kulp <dk...@apache.org>.
I'm definitely +1. Forrest sucks. :-)
On Friday 15 October 2010 11:00:32 am Benson Margulies wrote:
> We've got 1.5 web sites here.
>
> There's
>
> http://ws.apache.org
>
> which is very stale, and 'maintained' using Apache Forrest, which
> isn't, well, maintained, and has no release that works with Java 1.6.
>
> Then we've got:
>
> https://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/WS/Index
>
> which is more up to date, but needs to be exported (in place of the
> above) to be useful.
Well, it's already being exported:
https://cwiki.apache.org/WS
but the template definitely needs a lot of work. As does the content. But
the content needs work in the forest site as well and I think editing the
Confluence content is much easier.
Dan
> I'll give this idea a day or two for discussion, and, barring giant
> problems, put it to a vote.
--
Daniel Kulp
dkulp@apache.org
http://dankulp.com/blog