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Posted to dev@ofbiz.apache.org by buzlite <bz...@gmail.com> on 2009/09/01 14:54:42 UTC
deleting features
In
https://localhost:8443/catalog/control/EditProductFeatures?productId=FA-001
Ofbiz permits the deletion of features from product variant. Since the
feature has a from/thru date, I would expect that the user would simply
retire the feature if unneeded rather than deletion. Could someone confirm
this?
tia
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Re: deleting features
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
It's just something that can be improved, eventually it will bother
someone enough that they submit a patch to change it. You are more
than welcome to be that person :-)
Regards
Scott
On 4/09/2009, at 12:00 AM, buzlite wrote:
>
> Hmmm....this is a bit confusing. There are mentions of a need for a
> trail
> for auditing purposes. Yet there are several places in ofbiz that
> permit a
> user to actually remove items. Was the deletion added in for some
> specific
> purpose of is the auditing related focus been relaxed? Or have the
> community decided to let the user decide whether or not to delete
> certain
> items.
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>
Re: deleting features
Posted by Ashish Vijaywargiya <vi...@gmail.com>.
Inline:
--
Ashish
On Thu, Sep 3, 2009 at 7:34 PM, Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>wrote:
> I'm thinking more in terms of why should we delete it rather than why
> should we keep it.
> For reporting purposes it could be very useful to know what categories a
> product was attached to at a given point in time. Perhaps sales dropped
> after the product was removed from the category but since we deleted the
> record we have no way of discovering that.
>
>
+1
> Regards
> Scott
>
>
>
Re: deleting features
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
From: "Scott Gray" <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> I'm thinking more in terms of why should we delete it rather than why
> should we keep it.
> For reporting purposes it could be very useful to know what categories
> a product was attached to at a given point in time. Perhaps sales
> dropped after the product was removed from the category but since we
> deleted the record we have no way of discovering that.
Yes, indeed
Jacques
> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 4/09/2009, at 1:57 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Actually I did not write this stuff an I have no idea why this
>> choice has been made.
>> But I came to this conclusion since it sounded logical, do we really
>> need to track such changes ? Maybe in case of error though (but
>> tracking errors like that is a bit Stalinian isn'it ? Errare human
>> est...)
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Scott Gray" <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>> Personally I don't think it should be allowed to delete a product
>>> from a category, why not just expire it and maintain the history?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 4/09/2009, at 1:16 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please use rather user ML for such questions, see why here :
>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yAk#MailingLists-DesignanddevelopmentList:dev@ofbiz.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> Also consider some associations, say a product with a category :
>>>> no needs to track for an audit on such things. Hence removing a
>>>> product from a category is possible...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "buzlite" <bz...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Hmmm....this is a bit confusing. There are mentions of a need
>>>>> for a trail
>>>>> for auditing purposes. Yet there are several places in ofbiz
>>>>> that permit a
>>>>> user to actually remove items. Was the deletion added in for
>>>>> some specific
>>>>> purpose of is the auditing related focus been relaxed? Or have the
>>>>> community decided to let the user decide whether or not to
>>>>> delete certain
>>>>> items.
>>>>> --
>>>>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/deleting-features-tp25239836p25274587.html
>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
>
Re: deleting features
Posted by Tim Ruppert <ti...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
+1 - Audit trails would be better if we did better at saving history.
Why not just expire them when people want to remove them from a
category?
Cheers,
Tim
--
Tim Ruppert
HotWax Media
http://www.hotwaxmedia.com
o:801.649.6594
f:801.649.6595
On Sep 3, 2009, at 8:04 AM, Scott Gray wrote:
> I'm thinking more in terms of why should we delete it rather than
> why should we keep it.
> For reporting purposes it could be very useful to know what
> categories a product was attached to at a given point in time.
> Perhaps sales dropped after the product was removed from the
> category but since we deleted the record we have no way of
> discovering that.
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 4/09/2009, at 1:57 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Actually I did not write this stuff an I have no idea why this
>> choice has been made.
>> But I came to this conclusion since it sounded logical, do we
>> really need to track such changes ? Maybe in case of error though
>> (but tracking errors like that is a bit Stalinian isn'it ? Errare
>> human est...)
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "Scott Gray" <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>>> Personally I don't think it should be allowed to delete a product
>>> from a category, why not just expire it and maintain the history?
>>>
>>> Regards
>>> Scott
>>>
>>> On 4/09/2009, at 1:16 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>>
>>>> Please use rather user ML for such questions, see why here :
>>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yAk#MailingLists-DesignanddevelopmentList:dev@ofbiz.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> Also consider some associations, say a product with a category :
>>>> no needs to track for an audit on such things. Hence removing a
>>>> product from a category is possible...
>>>>
>>>> Thanks
>>>>
>>>> Jacques
>>>>
>>>> From: "buzlite" <bz...@gmail.com>
>>>>> Hmmm....this is a bit confusing. There are mentions of a need
>>>>> for a trail
>>>>> for auditing purposes. Yet there are several places in ofbiz
>>>>> that permit a
>>>>> user to actually remove items. Was the deletion added in for
>>>>> some specific
>>>>> purpose of is the auditing related focus been relaxed? Or have
>>>>> the
>>>>> community decided to let the user decide whether or not to
>>>>> delete certain
>>>>> items.
>>>>> --
>>>>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/deleting-features-tp25239836p25274587.html
>>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>
Re: deleting features
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
I'm thinking more in terms of why should we delete it rather than why
should we keep it.
For reporting purposes it could be very useful to know what categories
a product was attached to at a given point in time. Perhaps sales
dropped after the product was removed from the category but since we
deleted the record we have no way of discovering that.
Regards
Scott
On 4/09/2009, at 1:57 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Actually I did not write this stuff an I have no idea why this
> choice has been made.
> But I came to this conclusion since it sounded logical, do we really
> need to track such changes ? Maybe in case of error though (but
> tracking errors like that is a bit Stalinian isn'it ? Errare human
> est...)
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "Scott Gray" <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>
>> Personally I don't think it should be allowed to delete a product
>> from a category, why not just expire it and maintain the history?
>>
>> Regards
>> Scott
>>
>> On 4/09/2009, at 1:16 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>>
>>> Please use rather user ML for such questions, see why here :
>>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yAk#MailingLists-DesignanddevelopmentList:dev@ofbiz.apache.org
>>>
>>> Also consider some associations, say a product with a category :
>>> no needs to track for an audit on such things. Hence removing a
>>> product from a category is possible...
>>>
>>> Thanks
>>>
>>> Jacques
>>>
>>> From: "buzlite" <bz...@gmail.com>
>>>> Hmmm....this is a bit confusing. There are mentions of a need
>>>> for a trail
>>>> for auditing purposes. Yet there are several places in ofbiz
>>>> that permit a
>>>> user to actually remove items. Was the deletion added in for
>>>> some specific
>>>> purpose of is the auditing related focus been relaxed? Or have the
>>>> community decided to let the user decide whether or not to
>>>> delete certain
>>>> items.
>>>> --
>>>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/deleting-features-tp25239836p25274587.html
>>>> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
Re: deleting features
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Actually I did not write this stuff an I have no idea why this choice has been made.
But I came to this conclusion since it sounded logical, do we really need to track such changes ? Maybe in case of error though (but
tracking errors like that is a bit Stalinian isn'it ? Errare human est...)
Jacques
From: "Scott Gray" <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>
> Personally I don't think it should be allowed to delete a product from a category, why not just expire it and maintain the
> history?
>
> Regards
> Scott
>
> On 4/09/2009, at 1:16 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
>
>> Please use rather user ML for such questions, see why here :
>> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yAk#MailingLists-DesignanddevelopmentList:dev@ofbiz.apache.org
>>
>> Also consider some associations, say a product with a category : no needs to track for an audit on such things. Hence removing a
>> product from a category is possible...
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Jacques
>>
>> From: "buzlite" <bz...@gmail.com>
>>> Hmmm....this is a bit confusing. There are mentions of a need for a trail
>>> for auditing purposes. Yet there are several places in ofbiz that permit a
>>> user to actually remove items. Was the deletion added in for some specific
>>> purpose of is the auditing related focus been relaxed? Or have the
>>> community decided to let the user decide whether or not to delete certain
>>> items.
>>> --
>>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/deleting-features-tp25239836p25274587.html
>>> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>>
>>
>
>
Re: deleting features
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
Personally I don't think it should be allowed to delete a product from
a category, why not just expire it and maintain the history?
Regards
Scott
On 4/09/2009, at 1:16 AM, Jacques Le Roux wrote:
> Please use rather user ML for such questions, see why here :
> http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yAk#MailingLists-DesignanddevelopmentList:dev@ofbiz.apache.org
>
> Also consider some associations, say a product with a category : no
> needs to track for an audit on such things. Hence removing a product
> from a category is possible...
>
> Thanks
>
> Jacques
>
> From: "buzlite" <bz...@gmail.com>
>> Hmmm....this is a bit confusing. There are mentions of a need for
>> a trail
>> for auditing purposes. Yet there are several places in ofbiz that
>> permit a
>> user to actually remove items. Was the deletion added in for some
>> specific
>> purpose of is the auditing related focus been relaxed? Or have the
>> community decided to let the user decide whether or not to delete
>> certain
>> items.
>> --
>> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/deleting-features-tp25239836p25274587.html
>> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
>
Re: deleting features
Posted by Jacques Le Roux <ja...@les7arts.com>.
Please use rather user ML for such questions, see why here :
http://docs.ofbiz.org/x/yAk#MailingLists-DesignanddevelopmentList:dev@ofbiz.apache.org
Also consider some associations, say a product with a category : no needs to track for an audit on such things. Hence removing a
product from a category is possible...
Thanks
Jacques
From: "buzlite" <bz...@gmail.com>
> Hmmm....this is a bit confusing. There are mentions of a need for a trail
> for auditing purposes. Yet there are several places in ofbiz that permit a
> user to actually remove items. Was the deletion added in for some specific
> purpose of is the auditing related focus been relaxed? Or have the
> community decided to let the user decide whether or not to delete certain
> items.
> --
> View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/deleting-features-tp25239836p25274587.html
> Sent from the OFBiz - Dev mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
>
Re: deleting features
Posted by buzlite <bz...@gmail.com>.
Hmmm....this is a bit confusing. There are mentions of a need for a trail
for auditing purposes. Yet there are several places in ofbiz that permit a
user to actually remove items. Was the deletion added in for some specific
purpose of is the auditing related focus been relaxed? Or have the
community decided to let the user decide whether or not to delete certain
items.
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Re: deleting features
Posted by Scott Gray <sc...@hotwaxmedia.com>.
It sounds like both options are possible although in general records
should be expired rather than deleted.
Regards
Scott
On 3/09/2009, at 11:12 PM, buzlite wrote:
>
> Hello,
> Anyone with a response to this question???
> Thanks
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>
>> In
>> https://localhost:8443/catalog/control/EditProductFeatures?productId=FA-001
>>
>> Ofbiz permits the deletion of features from product variant. Since
>> the
>> feature has a from/thru date, I would expect that the user would
>> simply
>> retire the feature if unneeded rather than deletion. Could someone
>> confirm
>> this?
Re: deleting features
Posted by buzlite <bz...@gmail.com>.
Hello,
Anyone with a response to this question???
Thanks
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