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Posted to users@myfaces.apache.org by Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com> on 2010/04/21 11:52:12 UTC

[EXT-SCRIPTING] A little bit of community help needed

Hello Everyone, this is not an official announcment but more a call for 
a little bit of community help.
I am close to releasing the first stable version of a new MyFaces 
subproject. Apache MyFaces Extension-Scripting (Ext-Scripting).

To sum it up, Ext-Scripting is a project which tries to integrate 
scripting languages into the JSF universe and also provides additionally 
to that JSP like recompilation of Java code within the domain of JSF 
(currently only MyFaces)

We are close to a 1.0 version which will be tagged within a few weeks 
timeframe, and I want the documentation to be as good as possible, since
due to my personal opinion, a project needs a good documentation to help
people getting started.

But now here is my problem, since I am the lead developer of the project 
and I am sort of blind regarding my own project, I would like
to have people looking over the documentation, which have a clear mind, 
to give me feedback and suggestions on improving the current state of 
the documentation.

Please have a look here on my private hosting of the current 
documentation snapshot and give me feedback if the information is enough 
to get someone who touches the project for the first time,
is enough to get him/her started (Hence I am posting this in the users 
list)!

http://people.apache.org/~werpu/ext-script-site/

Thanks in advance, for providing me the input to make the documentation 
first class.

Werner Punz

Re: [EXT-SCRIPTING] A little bit of community help needed

Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>.
Before going into the weekend, I now have added the changed 
documentation as usual it is hostet under

http://people.apache.org/~werpu/ext-script-site/

Werner


Am 30.04.10 15:15, schrieb Werner Punz:
> Ok I have fixed all issues in the codebase (I have not updated the site
> with the additional documentation yet)
>
> Thanks for the input, it has been a great help to improve the
> documentation.
>
> Werner
>
>
>
> Am 22.04.10 11:05, schrieb Rudy De Busscher:
>> Not true, but 24h is not much time to try something and especially
>> when you
>> have to do almost everything outside the working hours.
>>
>> Already a few things/questions.
>> - on the configentries page you say : "The scripting filter for further
>> information look below" but there is no below.
>> - on the exampleconfig page there is an example for the LOADER_PATHS
>> parameter with absolute path location. But how about multiple development
>> teams then (path is developer specific)? And what about deployment to
>> production? or is that LOADER_PATHS only meaning full for rapid
>> prototyping.
>> - Should there be an example how you convert the groovy files to Java
>> class
>> files (like you mention somewhere when prototyping is done )
>>
>> - (not related to doc) Why is groovy version of examples different then
>> core. mvn install pulls 2 groovy jars from Internet.
>>
>> When I have more time the following days, I'll look a bit more into it.
>>
>> regards
>> Rudy.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 22 April 2010 10:48, Werner Punz<we...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> No one really interested as it seems, oh well...
>>>
>>>
>>> Werner
>>>
>>>
>>> Am 21.04.10 11:52, schrieb Werner Punz:
>>>
>>>> Hello Everyone, this is not an official announcment but more a call for
>>>> a little bit of community help.
>>>> I am close to releasing the first stable version of a new MyFaces
>>>> subproject. Apache MyFaces Extension-Scripting (Ext-Scripting).
>>>>
>>>> To sum it up, Ext-Scripting is a project which tries to integrate
>>>> scripting languages into the JSF universe and also provides
>>>> additionally
>>>> to that JSP like recompilation of Java code within the domain of JSF
>>>> (currently only MyFaces)
>>>>
>>>> We are close to a 1.0 version which will be tagged within a few weeks
>>>> timeframe, and I want the documentation to be as good as possible,
>>>> since
>>>> due to my personal opinion, a project needs a good documentation to
>>>> help
>>>> people getting started.
>>>>
>>>> But now here is my problem, since I am the lead developer of the
>>>> project
>>>> and I am sort of blind regarding my own project, I would like
>>>> to have people looking over the documentation, which have a clear mind,
>>>> to give me feedback and suggestions on improving the current state of
>>>> the documentation.
>>>>
>>>> Please have a look here on my private hosting of the current
>>>> documentation snapshot and give me feedback if the information is
>>>> enough
>>>> to get someone who touches the project for the first time,
>>>> is enough to get him/her started (Hence I am posting this in the users
>>>> list)!
>>>>
>>>> http://people.apache.org/~werpu/ext-script-site/<http://people.apache.org/%7Ewerpu/ext-script-site/>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Thanks in advance, for providing me the input to make the documentation
>>>> first class.
>>>>
>>>> Werner Punz
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
>
>

Re: [EXT-SCRIPTING] A little bit of community help needed

Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>.
Ok I have fixed all issues in the codebase (I have not updated the site 
with the additional documentation yet)

Thanks for the input, it has been a great help to improve the documentation.

Werner



Am 22.04.10 11:05, schrieb Rudy De Busscher:
> Not true,  but 24h is not much time to try something and especially when you
> have to do almost everything outside the working hours.
>
> Already a few things/questions.
> - on the configentries page you say : "The scripting filter for further
> information look below" but there is no below.
> - on the exampleconfig page there is an example for the LOADER_PATHS
> parameter with absolute path location.  But how about multiple development
> teams then (path is developer specific)? And what about deployment to
> production? or is that LOADER_PATHS only meaning full for rapid prototyping.
> - Should there be an example how you convert the groovy files to Java class
> files (like you mention somewhere when prototyping is done )
>
> - (not related to doc) Why is groovy version of examples different then
> core.  mvn install pulls 2 groovy jars from Internet.
>
> When I have more time the following days, I'll look a bit more into it.
>
> regards
> Rudy.
>
>
>
>
> On 22 April 2010 10:48, Werner Punz<we...@gmail.com>  wrote:
>
>> No one really interested as it seems, oh well...
>>
>>
>> Werner
>>
>>
>> Am 21.04.10 11:52, schrieb Werner Punz:
>>
>>> Hello Everyone, this is not an official announcment but more a call for
>>> a little bit of community help.
>>> I am close to releasing the first stable version of a new MyFaces
>>> subproject. Apache MyFaces Extension-Scripting (Ext-Scripting).
>>>
>>> To sum it up, Ext-Scripting is a project which tries to integrate
>>> scripting languages into the JSF universe and also provides additionally
>>> to that JSP like recompilation of Java code within the domain of JSF
>>> (currently only MyFaces)
>>>
>>> We are close to a 1.0 version which will be tagged within a few weeks
>>> timeframe, and I want the documentation to be as good as possible, since
>>> due to my personal opinion, a project needs a good documentation to help
>>> people getting started.
>>>
>>> But now here is my problem, since I am the lead developer of the project
>>> and I am sort of blind regarding my own project, I would like
>>> to have people looking over the documentation, which have a clear mind,
>>> to give me feedback and suggestions on improving the current state of
>>> the documentation.
>>>
>>> Please have a look here on my private hosting of the current
>>> documentation snapshot and give me feedback if the information is enough
>>> to get someone who touches the project for the first time,
>>> is enough to get him/her started (Hence I am posting this in the users
>>> list)!
>>>
>>> http://people.apache.org/~werpu/ext-script-site/<http://people.apache.org/%7Ewerpu/ext-script-site/>
>>>
>>> Thanks in advance, for providing me the input to make the documentation
>>> first class.
>>>
>>> Werner Punz
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [EXT-SCRIPTING] A little bit of community help needed

Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>.
Ok I opened a new jira issue so that no comment is lost, I will then 
commit the documentation changes under this issue:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/EXTSCRIPT-125

And again thanks for your help.


Werner



Am 22.04.10 11:15, schrieb Werner Punz:
> Ok thanks I just got the impression due to not having any feedback, that
> no one was really interested. I also had somewhat of a bad morning :-)
>
>
> Guess silence is not always an indicator that no one is interested.
>
>
> Am 22.04.10 11:05, schrieb Rudy De Busscher:
>> Not true, but 24h is not much time to try something and especially
>> when you
>> have to do almost everything outside the working hours.
>>
>> Already a few things/questions.
>> - on the configentries page you say : "The scripting filter for further
>> information look below" but there is no below.
>
> I will fix that, sorry for it, and thanks I really missed that in the docs.
>
>> - on the exampleconfig page there is an example for the LOADER_PATHS
>> parameter with absolute path location. But how about multiple development
>> teams then (path is developer specific)?
>
> Ok there are two options, first you could use for instance maven
> profiles to handle that (just like I do with my own mvn files
> -Pdevelopment pushes in my internal development web.xml)
>
> Or you can use the relative path option we have via not setting anything
> for the sources than WEB-INF/java or WEB-INF/groovy will be picked up as
> auto defaults.
>
> Maybe a third option post 1.0 via environment settings might be a viable
> one.
>
>
>> And what about deployment to
>> production? or is that LOADER_PATHS only meaning full for rapid
>> prototyping.
>> - Should there be an example how you convert the groovy files to Java
>> class
>> files (like you mention somewhere when prototyping is done )
>>
> Well you can use maven or another build file again for it, I might add
> an example (I am doing something similar in the core module, but I will
> add the info to do it via maven asap). I think this is a good
> information for the users and needs to be added.
>
>> - (not related to doc) Why is groovy version of examples different then
>> core. mvn install pulls 2 groovy jars from Internet.
>>
> Bug, will fix that before 1.0 :-)
>
> Just created an issue so that it does not get lost:
>
> https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/EXTSCRIPT-124
>
>
>> When I have more time the following days, I'll look a bit more into it.
>>
>> regards
>> Rudy.
>>
>>
> Thanks a lot your suggestions have been a tremendous help. Thats exactly
> what I need, because I might have missed vital infos due to
> working on my own project.
>
>
>

Re: [EXT-SCRIPTING] A little bit of community help needed

Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>.
Ok thanks I just got the impression due to not having any feedback, that 
no one was really interested. I also had somewhat of a bad morning :-)


Guess silence is not always an indicator that no one is interested.


Am 22.04.10 11:05, schrieb Rudy De Busscher:
> Not true,  but 24h is not much time to try something and especially when you
> have to do almost everything outside the working hours.
>
> Already a few things/questions.
> - on the configentries page you say : "The scripting filter for further
> information look below" but there is no below.

I will fix that, sorry for it, and thanks I really missed that in the docs.

> - on the exampleconfig page there is an example for the LOADER_PATHS
> parameter with absolute path location.  But how about multiple development
> teams then (path is developer specific)?

Ok there are two options, first you could use for instance maven 
profiles to handle that (just like I do with my own mvn files 
-Pdevelopment pushes in my internal development web.xml)

Or you can use the relative path option we have via not setting anything 
for the sources than WEB-INF/java or WEB-INF/groovy will be picked up as 
auto defaults.

Maybe a third option post 1.0 via environment settings might be a viable 
one.


> And what about deployment to
> production? or is that LOADER_PATHS only meaning full for rapid prototyping.
> - Should there be an example how you convert the groovy files to Java class
> files (like you mention somewhere when prototyping is done )
>
Well you can use maven or another build file again for it, I might add 
an example (I am doing something similar in the core module, but I will 
add the info to do it via maven asap). I think this is a good 
information for the users and needs to be added.

> - (not related to doc) Why is groovy version of examples different then
> core.  mvn install pulls 2 groovy jars from Internet.
>
Bug, will fix that before 1.0 :-)

Just created an issue so that it does not get lost:

https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/EXTSCRIPT-124


> When I have more time the following days, I'll look a bit more into it.
>
> regards
> Rudy.
>
>
Thanks a lot your suggestions have been a tremendous help. Thats exactly 
what I need, because I might have missed vital infos due to
working on my own project.

Re: [EXT-SCRIPTING] A little bit of community help needed

Posted by Rudy De Busscher <rd...@gmail.com>.
Not true,  but 24h is not much time to try something and especially when you
have to do almost everything outside the working hours.

Already a few things/questions.
- on the configentries page you say : "The scripting filter for further
information look below" but there is no below.
- on the exampleconfig page there is an example for the LOADER_PATHS
parameter with absolute path location.  But how about multiple development
teams then (path is developer specific)? And what about deployment to
production? or is that LOADER_PATHS only meaning full for rapid prototyping.
- Should there be an example how you convert the groovy files to Java class
files (like you mention somewhere when prototyping is done )

- (not related to doc) Why is groovy version of examples different then
core.  mvn install pulls 2 groovy jars from Internet.

When I have more time the following days, I'll look a bit more into it.

regards
Rudy.




On 22 April 2010 10:48, Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com> wrote:

> No one really interested as it seems, oh well...
>
>
> Werner
>
>
> Am 21.04.10 11:52, schrieb Werner Punz:
>
>> Hello Everyone, this is not an official announcment but more a call for
>> a little bit of community help.
>> I am close to releasing the first stable version of a new MyFaces
>> subproject. Apache MyFaces Extension-Scripting (Ext-Scripting).
>>
>> To sum it up, Ext-Scripting is a project which tries to integrate
>> scripting languages into the JSF universe and also provides additionally
>> to that JSP like recompilation of Java code within the domain of JSF
>> (currently only MyFaces)
>>
>> We are close to a 1.0 version which will be tagged within a few weeks
>> timeframe, and I want the documentation to be as good as possible, since
>> due to my personal opinion, a project needs a good documentation to help
>> people getting started.
>>
>> But now here is my problem, since I am the lead developer of the project
>> and I am sort of blind regarding my own project, I would like
>> to have people looking over the documentation, which have a clear mind,
>> to give me feedback and suggestions on improving the current state of
>> the documentation.
>>
>> Please have a look here on my private hosting of the current
>> documentation snapshot and give me feedback if the information is enough
>> to get someone who touches the project for the first time,
>> is enough to get him/her started (Hence I am posting this in the users
>> list)!
>>
>> http://people.apache.org/~werpu/ext-script-site/<http://people.apache.org/%7Ewerpu/ext-script-site/>
>>
>> Thanks in advance, for providing me the input to make the documentation
>> first class.
>>
>> Werner Punz
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
>

Re: [EXT-SCRIPTING] A little bit of community help needed

Posted by Werner Punz <we...@gmail.com>.
No one really interested as it seems, oh well...


Werner


Am 21.04.10 11:52, schrieb Werner Punz:
> Hello Everyone, this is not an official announcment but more a call for
> a little bit of community help.
> I am close to releasing the first stable version of a new MyFaces
> subproject. Apache MyFaces Extension-Scripting (Ext-Scripting).
>
> To sum it up, Ext-Scripting is a project which tries to integrate
> scripting languages into the JSF universe and also provides additionally
> to that JSP like recompilation of Java code within the domain of JSF
> (currently only MyFaces)
>
> We are close to a 1.0 version which will be tagged within a few weeks
> timeframe, and I want the documentation to be as good as possible, since
> due to my personal opinion, a project needs a good documentation to help
> people getting started.
>
> But now here is my problem, since I am the lead developer of the project
> and I am sort of blind regarding my own project, I would like
> to have people looking over the documentation, which have a clear mind,
> to give me feedback and suggestions on improving the current state of
> the documentation.
>
> Please have a look here on my private hosting of the current
> documentation snapshot and give me feedback if the information is enough
> to get someone who touches the project for the first time,
> is enough to get him/her started (Hence I am posting this in the users
> list)!
>
> http://people.apache.org/~werpu/ext-script-site/
>
> Thanks in advance, for providing me the input to make the documentation
> first class.
>
> Werner Punz
>
>
>