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Posted to doc@openoffice.apache.org by Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com> on 2013/11/14 23:45:48 UTC
Fwd: Documention - sort of
Well, duh.. (I really was that dumb)... moving this to that mailing list
then
So assuming this worked and now this message is on the documentation list.
Alright, let me back up I suppose.
The reason I got started a couple weeks back on the old user guide format
documents was for something top include on a disk project. I figured the
install guide, if created only for Windows, would be a sinch and the
Introducing AOO Chapter from the 3.4 User Gide might be - not to hard -,
and since the disk image was, as it ended up, db tiled it seemed maybe a
rebrand on the Getting Started with Base might be as easy as any, given the
less prevelant use of sidebars..
So - I wanted to get something fast. It's now been a couple of weeks, I had
to stop for a week, but this few days got some of what I was thinking about
together.
For the Install guide, it includes some sections from the old Admin guide.
It's not a final cut, yet, but it is I think close. I'm really hoping folks
will be good enough to give a read and offer -any and all- editing
suggestions.
Installation Guide
4.odt<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IYmtXbWNldnctV0k/edit?usp=drive_web>
Installation Guide
4.pdf<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IX0J6cXhjNjBCNGM/edit?usp=drive_web>
For the second document, Introduction to Apache OpenOffice 4 it's pretty
much just the old Guide Chapter with a few lines about and screen shots of
side bars. Also, not done, but very close for my short term purpose I think,
Introducing AOO
4.odt<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0INEplZWlMV1dLNWc/edit?usp=drive_web>
Introducing AOO
4.pdf<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IcUwwRlVKU1NfVlU/edit?usp=drive_web>
That leaves a Base guide... ah, this is less done..and got more stuff
merged from the old Basic Guide and other sources, with more still being
added I think, The snapshot of this one is..
Alright, well if you scroll to the bottom of this email you will see it
originated on the dev (wrong) ML and was about a template, said doc being
used for the three files above and found here
AOO4.ott<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IOG1QWmxQTlVPVXc/edit?usp=drive_web>
GettingStartedWithBase.odt<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0INWVEZnVGRUpBQjQ/edit?usp=drive_web>
GettingStartedWithBase.pdf<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IemdjSWVoRDZUb1k/edit?usp=drive_web>
So, I'm looking over the work on the wiki today (migration guide, and such)
- which I had not done much of recently - I don't suppose there is any
chance that the export to pdf function on the wiki is going to start
working (or is it just me, being dense again ;)..
Anyway - I would like to offer all of what I'm working on to the group and
not sure where to go from here, other then to get back to working on these
documents tomorrow.
Thanks
//drew
On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Drew Jensen <drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com
> >wrote:
>
> > Howdy folks,
> >
> > First I want to thank Jean Weber for making this email possible.
> >
> > Recently I had need to work on a document regarding AOO for a disk
> project
> > I'm working on and I wanted to use an existing resource from the ODF
> > Authors group, specifically the custom template used to generate the user
> > guides the group produces. That template was (is) dual licensed
> > GPL/CC-BY-SA 3.0.
> >
> > What I wanted however was the option to license the derived work under he
> > Apache license - so using the original template as, ah a template, I
> > proceeded to make some changes, but in the end the text which describes
> how
> > to use it was predominantly from Jean.
> >
> > I just got the email from her giving me permission to re-license my
> updated
> > file and I will make this new template available to the project dual
> > licensed as Apache 2.0 and CC-By-SA, which will allow anyone basing a
> final
> > work on the template to license as either or both.
> >
> > So, a few quick questions for the group here.
> > Easy one first- the template includes a contact email for reporting any
> > problems or suggestions, the original listed the ODF Authors discuss
> > mailing list and I would assume for this new one he right answer is this
> > list, yes?
> >
> > Location - since I'm still a bit out of the loop is there a spot on
> either
> > wiki where folks would want this?
> >
> > Copyright - The original template is set to default to a copyright for
> ODF
> > Authors, I assume (oh such a bad word) that here the copyright would be
> > left to the author(s) and not the ASF or maybe so, or maybe so
> sometimes..
> > ??
> >
> > So - the template is ready to go and I'll wait for response(s) to those
> > easy questions and look to post it up when next I'm tethered to the
> global
> > tracking system next ;)
> >
> > //drew
> >
>
> All of our basic documentation except for Release Notes is still using the
> "original" wiki --
>
> wiki.openoffice.org
>
> so I would think that might be the best place.
>
> But, I think the folks on the documentation mailing list --
> doc@openoffice.apache.org -- might offer specific suggestions as far as
> placement goes.
>
> Just my .02.
>
>
>
>
>
> --
>
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> MzK
>
> “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
> Nothing is going to get better. It's not.”
> -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax
>
Re: Documention - sort of
Posted by Guy Waterval <wa...@gmail.com>.
Many thanks, Drew.
The Getting Started with Base guide will certainly be very appreciated.
A+
--
gw
2013/11/14 Drew Jensen <dr...@gmail.com>
> Well, duh.. (I really was that dumb)... moving this to that mailing list
> then
>
> So assuming this worked and now this message is on the documentation list.
>
> Alright, let me back up I suppose.
>
> The reason I got started a couple weeks back on the old user guide format
> documents was for something top include on a disk project. I figured the
> install guide, if created only for Windows, would be a sinch and the
> Introducing AOO Chapter from the 3.4 User Gide might be - not to hard -,
> and since the disk image was, as it ended up, db tiled it seemed maybe a
> rebrand on the Getting Started with Base might be as easy as any, given the
> less prevelant use of sidebars..
>
> So - I wanted to get something fast. It's now been a couple of weeks, I had
> to stop for a week, but this few days got some of what I was thinking about
> together.
>
> For the Install guide, it includes some sections from the old Admin guide.
> It's not a final cut, yet, but it is I think close. I'm really hoping folks
> will be good enough to give a read and offer -any and all- editing
> suggestions.
>
> Installation Guide
> 4.odt<
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IYmtXbWNldnctV0k/edit?usp=drive_web
> >
>
> Installation Guide
> 4.pdf<
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IX0J6cXhjNjBCNGM/edit?usp=drive_web
> >
>
> For the second document, Introduction to Apache OpenOffice 4 it's pretty
> much just the old Guide Chapter with a few lines about and screen shots of
> side bars. Also, not done, but very close for my short term purpose I
> think,
>
>
> Introducing AOO
> 4.odt<
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0INEplZWlMV1dLNWc/edit?usp=drive_web
> >
>
> Introducing AOO
> 4.pdf<
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IcUwwRlVKU1NfVlU/edit?usp=drive_web
> >
>
>
> That leaves a Base guide... ah, this is less done..and got more stuff
> merged from the old Basic Guide and other sources, with more still being
> added I think, The snapshot of this one is..
>
>
> Alright, well if you scroll to the bottom of this email you will see it
> originated on the dev (wrong) ML and was about a template, said doc being
> used for the three files above and found here
>
> AOO4.ott<
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IOG1QWmxQTlVPVXc/edit?usp=drive_web
> >
>
>
> GettingStartedWithBase.odt<
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0INWVEZnVGRUpBQjQ/edit?usp=drive_web
> >
>
> GettingStartedWithBase.pdf<
> https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IemdjSWVoRDZUb1k/edit?usp=drive_web
> >
>
>
> So, I'm looking over the work on the wiki today (migration guide, and such)
> - which I had not done much of recently - I don't suppose there is any
> chance that the export to pdf function on the wiki is going to start
> working (or is it just me, being dense again ;)..
>
> Anyway - I would like to offer all of what I'm working on to the group and
> not sure where to go from here, other then to get back to working on these
> documents tomorrow.
>
>
> Thanks
>
> //drew
> On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 7:59 PM, Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Wed, Oct 30, 2013 at 10:09 AM, Drew Jensen <
> drewjensen.inbox@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> >
> > > Howdy folks,
> > >
> > > First I want to thank Jean Weber for making this email possible.
> > >
> > > Recently I had need to work on a document regarding AOO for a disk
> > project
> > > I'm working on and I wanted to use an existing resource from the ODF
> > > Authors group, specifically the custom template used to generate the
> user
> > > guides the group produces. That template was (is) dual licensed
> > > GPL/CC-BY-SA 3.0.
> > >
> > > What I wanted however was the option to license the derived work under
> he
> > > Apache license - so using the original template as, ah a template, I
> > > proceeded to make some changes, but in the end the text which describes
> > how
> > > to use it was predominantly from Jean.
> > >
> > > I just got the email from her giving me permission to re-license my
> > updated
> > > file and I will make this new template available to the project dual
> > > licensed as Apache 2.0 and CC-By-SA, which will allow anyone basing a
> > final
> > > work on the template to license as either or both.
> > >
> > > So, a few quick questions for the group here.
> > > Easy one first- the template includes a contact email for reporting any
> > > problems or suggestions, the original listed the ODF Authors discuss
> > > mailing list and I would assume for this new one he right answer is
> this
> > > list, yes?
> > >
> > > Location - since I'm still a bit out of the loop is there a spot on
> > either
> > > wiki where folks would want this?
> > >
> > > Copyright - The original template is set to default to a copyright for
> > ODF
> > > Authors, I assume (oh such a bad word) that here the copyright would be
> > > left to the author(s) and not the ASF or maybe so, or maybe so
> > sometimes..
> > > ??
> > >
> > > So - the template is ready to go and I'll wait for response(s) to those
> > > easy questions and look to post it up when next I'm tethered to the
> > global
> > > tracking system next ;)
> > >
> > > //drew
> > >
> >
> > All of our basic documentation except for Release Notes is still using
> the
> > "original" wiki --
> >
> > wiki.openoffice.org
> >
> > so I would think that might be the best place.
> >
> > But, I think the folks on the documentation mailing list --
> > doc@openoffice.apache.org -- might offer specific suggestions as far as
> > placement goes.
> >
> > Just my .02.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > MzK
> >
> > “Unless someone like you cares a whole awful lot,
> > Nothing is going to get better. It's not.”
> > -- Dr. Seuss, The Lorax
> >
>
Re: Openoffice.uni documentation (Re: Fwd: Documention - sort of)
Posted by Dave <da...@gmail.com>.
Hi Andrea,
Thanks for your encouraging words. Yes of course I would love to have my
efforts integrated into the Apache/Wiki project. Have absolutely no
experience though how wiki works. I actually did have a look at the wiki a
few weeks ago, and found nowhere where to post a link. Could you help me
here? As to license: I'm open to anything which is open. Please tell me how
I should reformulate that part.
At present I'm fine tuning English and German versions simulataneously, to
make sure they are both exactly the same, then will adapt the French to
these. Kateryna has translated just the introduction into Russian and
Ukrainian, so that's a nice step. Three students at our uni are doing an
Arab version which should be complete by March.
All the best and thanks
Dave
On 15 December 2013 14:50, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 30/11/2013 16:23, Dave wrote:
>
>> any chance of linking my introduction for students (openoffice-uni.org)
>> on
>> the wiki? french version will be up next week, then i'll go back to the
>> german version, and then again the english version. please take a look.
>>
>
> Hello Dave, I did take a look today. You have some nice documentation
> available, and all of it is up-to-date. Why don't you contribute it to the
> official OpenOffice wiki? This would make things easier in several
> respects: your documentation would be found much more easily by search
> engines and it would be more justified that you look for translators here.
> This is much like it worked for the ODF Authors group: they were publishing
> their documentation on the OpenOffice wiki and still maintaining the ODT
> and PDF versions available on their site, with mutual benefits.
>
> I see that you are using a different license than the Apache License 2
> (the OpenOffice license, and the recommended license for new wiki content).
> So this might be an issue to consider; just make your choice and feel free
> to ask any questions.
>
> The official place for OpenOffice documentation is here:
> https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
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Openoffice.uni documentation (Re: Fwd: Documention - sort of)
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 30/11/2013 16:23, Dave wrote:
> any chance of linking my introduction for students (openoffice-uni.org) on
> the wiki? french version will be up next week, then i'll go back to the
> german version, and then again the english version. please take a look.
Hello Dave, I did take a look today. You have some nice documentation
available, and all of it is up-to-date. Why don't you contribute it to
the official OpenOffice wiki? This would make things easier in several
respects: your documentation would be found much more easily by search
engines and it would be more justified that you look for translators
here. This is much like it worked for the ODF Authors group: they were
publishing their documentation on the OpenOffice wiki and still
maintaining the ODT and PDF versions available on their site, with
mutual benefits.
I see that you are using a different license than the Apache License 2
(the OpenOffice license, and the recommended license for new wiki
content). So this might be an issue to consider; just make your choice
and feel free to ask any questions.
The official place for OpenOffice documentation is here:
https://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/
Regards,
Andrea.
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Re: Fwd: Documention - sort of
Posted by Dave <da...@gmail.com>.
Hi Andrea,
any chance of linking my introduction for students (openoffice-uni.org) on
the wiki? french version will be up next week, then i'll go back to the
german version, and then again the english version. please take a look.
someone promised to do a spanish translation, hope that gets off the ground.
Yours
Dave
On 30 November 2013 16:09, Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org> wrote:
> On 14/11/2013 Drew Jensen wrote:
>
>> Installation Guide
>> 4.odt<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IYmtXbWNldnctV0k/
>> edit?usp=drive_web>
>> Introducing AOO
>> 4.odt<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0INEplZWlMV1dLNWc/
>> edit?usp=drive_web>
>> AOO4.ott<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IOG1QWmxQTlVPVXc/
>> edit?usp=drive_web>
>> GettingStartedWithBase.odt<https://docs.google.com/file/d/
>> 0Bx7ZNEXlmR0INWVEZnVGRUpBQjQ/edit?usp=drive_web>
>>
>
> This is very good stuff! Has it been ported to the wiki (or where the
> original 3.x documents were) now? Having it available on the wiki would
> probably be best. In the wiki, the relevant pages should clearly be marked
> with the licensing terms since their license is not the one we are normally
> using for new wiki content (but of course we can perfectly publish this
> stuff on the wiki).
>
> Regards,
> Andrea.
>
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Re: Fwd: Documention - sort of
Posted by Andrea Pescetti <pe...@apache.org>.
On 14/11/2013 Drew Jensen wrote:
> Installation Guide
> 4.odt<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IYmtXbWNldnctV0k/edit?usp=drive_web>
> Introducing AOO
> 4.odt<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0INEplZWlMV1dLNWc/edit?usp=drive_web>
> AOO4.ott<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0IOG1QWmxQTlVPVXc/edit?usp=drive_web>
> GettingStartedWithBase.odt<https://docs.google.com/file/d/0Bx7ZNEXlmR0INWVEZnVGRUpBQjQ/edit?usp=drive_web>
This is very good stuff! Has it been ported to the wiki (or where the
original 3.x documents were) now? Having it available on the wiki would
probably be best. In the wiki, the relevant pages should clearly be
marked with the licensing terms since their license is not the one we
are normally using for new wiki content (but of course we can perfectly
publish this stuff on the wiki).
Regards,
Andrea.
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