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Posted to users@maven.apache.org by Leo Simons <le...@apache.org> on 2003/02/19 20:35:33 UTC
maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Hi all,
cd avalon-sandbox/assembly
ant jar
results in....
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check-framework:
[mkdir] Created dir: D:\home\lsimons\Documents\cvs\avalon-sandbox\lib
[get] Getting:
http://www.osm.net/repository/avalon-framework/jars/avalon-
framework-4.1.4.jar
[get] ....
[get] last modified = Wed Feb 19 18:03:58 CET 2003
check-i18n:
[get] Getting:
http://www.osm.net/repository/excalibur-i18n/jars/excalibur
-i18n-1.0.jar
[get] ..
[get] last modified = Wed Feb 19 18:05:21 CET 2003
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would be easier to have this stuff on ibiblio...............don't really
want to bug the ibiblio admins to get all those alpha builds up on
ibiblio, in fact lots of those nightly built jars are pretty transient
-- you don't want to have them stick around for a long time, nor have
casual users use them.................I kinda agree with the policy the
infrastructure peeps set forth: keep things on asf hardware if
possible..............most of all I like being in control, able to fix
things right when I want them done :D...........
so would it make sense to have http://avalon.apache.org/repository
contain the avalon jars & dists? It is probably easy as hell for the
maven peeps to do a
ssh daedalus.apache.org
cd /www/avalon.apache.org/repository
scp -r * wherever_it_goes_on_ibiblio
on request, so that ibiblio can remain the primary point of
distribution. All this just temporarily until the infrastructure peeps
and the peeps looking at a common repository hammer out something more
solid.
are other ASF projects doing or considering something similar? thoughts?
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cheers,
- Leo
Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Stephen McConnell <mc...@apache.org>.
Leo:
I think its even easier that what you describe - I'm currently planing
around with a repository chain in which the general approach would
entail setting up an avalon repository.
E.g.
maven.repo.remote=http://avalon.apache.org/repository,http://www.ibiblio.org/maven/
Leo Simons wrote:
>
> so would it make sense to have http://avalon.apache.org/repository
> contain the avalon jars & dists?
Yes - I've been thinking about the same thing just today.
> It is probably easy as hell for the maven peeps to do a
>
> ssh daedalus.apache.org
> cd /www/avalon.apache.org/repository
> scp -r * wherever_it_goes_on_ibiblio
>
> on request, so that ibiblio can remain the primary point of
> distribution. All this just temporarily until the infrastructure peeps
> and the peeps looking at a common repository hammer out something more
> solid.
>
> are other ASF projects doing or considering something similar? thoughts?
In the longer term I would like to see ibiblio requests reditected to an
avalon repository. I've only recently started playing with the
<groupId/> tag and from that there is a logical point for redirection
(assuming all avalon content is packaged under well know avalon
identifiers - e.g. avalon, excalibur, corenerstone, phoenix, merlin, etc.).
Cheers, Steve.
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>
> - Leo
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
>
> However attached is a partially paired down list of jars. There is many in
> that list that are fine but there is also a large number of blatently
> violations and bucketload of suspects. That does not even reflect the fact
> that distributing things like junit without licenses. If you are serious
> about making Apache legally defensible then there should be enough there to
> act on and as soon as I get the list of jars I will try to focus on the more
> obvious violations.
I didn't find this list to be particularly helpful. In particular,
Cocoon has done a very credible job of policing their licenses:
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-cocoon2/legal/
Any specifics you do find will be followed up on.
- Sam Ruby
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Sun, 23 Feb 2003 10:34, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> What were the problems with BSF an JUnit? BSF is an ASF project.
Previously it was IBMs licensed under IBM Public License.
> JUnit is
> licensed under IBM Public License, which is currently listed as OK on the
> Licensing page on the Wiki. The page is unofficial, but taken from
> comments by ASF Officials, and I believe being reviewed by the ASF Board.
IBM Public License is fine to use. Just need to include the license with it.
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RE: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
What were the problems with BSF an JUnit? BSF is an ASF project. JUnit is
licensed under IBM Public License, which is currently listed as OK on the
Licensing page on the Wiki. The page is unofficial, but taken from comments
by ASF Officials, and I believe being reviewed by the ASF Board.
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
> Anyways - if someone wants to give me a list of files that end with ".jar,v" I
> will generate a partial list of blatent violations.
http://cvs.apache.org/~leosimons/jars-in-cvs/
note there's some duplication and that listings are not complete for
incubator & xml (exit status 1).
> ./avalon/lib/Attic/log.jar,v
> ./avalon/lib/Attic/bytecode.jar,v
> ./avalon/lib/Attic/jdom.jar,v
removed.
> ./avalon/tools/lib/Attic/maybeupload.jar,v
> ./avalon/tools/lib/Attic/junit.jar,v
removed.
> ./avalon/tools/lib/Attic/testlet.jar,v
not a violation I think, since this is produced by the asf.
> ./avalon/tools/lib/Attic/bsf.jar,v
> ./avalon/tools/lib/Attic/junit-3.7.jar,v
> ./avalon/tools/lib/Attic/junitperf.jar,v
> ./avalon/tools/lib/Attic/rhino.jar,v
removed.
> ./avalon/tools/ext/Attic/bsf.jar,v
> ./avalon/tools/ext/Attic/resolver.jar,v
> ./avalon/tools/ext/Attic/xsltc.jar,v
> ./avalon/tools/ext/Attic/jimi-1.0.jar,v
> ./avalon/tools/ext/Attic/resolver-20020130.jar,v
> ./avalon/tools/ext/Attic/xsltc-20020723.jar,v
removed.
I have also gone through all of avalon cvs, and have removed many more
suspect non-asf jars from Attic dirs (I think I got them all but it
would be nice if a few people could doublecheck), and I have added
licenses for some non-asf libraries kept in cvs which didn't have a
license yet.
I have not added licenses for ASF-produced jars that don't have license
info, but it should be done. We also distribute and link against mx4j
(in avalon-apps/phyre and avalon-phoenix projects) which is apparently a
problem (IANAL), and we distribute hsqldb.jar (in
avalon-excalibur/datasource project), which is doubtful.
I suggest follow-up on this material not related to avalon goes to the
relevant project development/pmc mailing lists.
cheers,
- Leo, who isn't supposed to be behind his PC today.... :D
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
Hi,
I just started to do a find on the cvs server to get a list of obvious license
violations. Unfortunately it got killed off (either by someone or a monitor
process) - presumably using too many resources.
Anyways - if someone wants to give me a list of files that end with ".jar,v" I
will generate a partial list of blatent violations.
However attached is a partially paired down list of jars. There is many in
that list that are fine but there is also a large number of blatently
violations and bucketload of suspects. That does not even reflect the fact
that distributing things like junit without licenses. If you are serious
about making Apache legally defensible then there should be enough there to
act on and as soon as I get the list of jars I will try to focus on the more
obvious violations.
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
And some links;
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-turbine-2/lib/?hideattic=0#dirlist
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/avalon/tools/ext/Attic/
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/avalon/tools/lib/Attic/
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-cocoon2/lib/?hideattic=0#dirlist
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-james/lib/?hideattic=0#dirlist
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 13:33, Sam Ruby wrote:
> I've removed the the obvious violations from each.
You didn't do a very good job. I can still see a whole bunch
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-james/lib/Attic/mail_1_2.jar?hideattic=0
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-james/lib/Attic/mail_1_1_3.jar?hideattic=0
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-james/lib/mail_1_3.jar?hideattic=0
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-james/lib/Attic/mail.jar?hideattic=0
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-cocoon2/lib/Attic/resolver.jar?rev=1.1&hideattic=0&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
and thats without doing more that a brief overview. It doesn't matter how
"credible" a job is done policing the licnses when it is not actually done.
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
> And some links;
>
> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-turbine-2/lib/?hideattic=0#dirlist
> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/avalon/tools/ext/Attic/
> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/avalon/tools/lib/Attic/
> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/xml-cocoon2/lib/?hideattic=0#dirlist
> http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-james/lib/?hideattic=0#dirlist
I've removed the the obvious violations from each. The overwhelming
majority of jars found there are ASF.
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 03:20, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Care to point out specifics? I'll make sure that the respective PMCs
> follow up on them.
Theres oodles of license violations in avalon, cocoon and james (And possibly
turbine if they keep the CVS history).
Cocoon used to distribute JIMI (BCL) and Suns version of resolver (ugly
license - forget specifics) and you can probably find it in their attic in
lib dir.
Avalon also has similar copies in the attic in jakarta-avalon/tools/lib and
jakarta-avalon/tools/ext (or whatever they are now).
James distributed mail/activation (and still does?)
Turbine (2?) used to distribute lots and lots and lots and lots of jars
illegally so you could look in their lib directory and get the
mail/activation/jdbc jars at minimum and probably also transaction jars?
The above are the blatent license violations but I can probably point to heaps
more if we consider JUnit, IBM BSF, other IPL stuff which required licenses
to accomodate artefacts.
Then there is the non-BSDL BSD licensed products that we dont credit properly
- I would have to actually look at specifics but I suspect avalon has a bunch
of violations. Many came from cocoon .. iirc there is something like
java-stylze.jar and so on and so forth.
and so on and so forth. I got a list of violations my arm long - ie the same
stuff I have been complaining about for years. If the above ever gets fixed
then I will give you another list. If all those are fixed then I will give
you a list of places where artefacts have invlid licenses attached to them.
And then there is always things like MX4J that are licensed fine but violate
the JSR IP license and thus are illegal implementations (eventhough the
author sits as an EG member and the spec lead has said that this is not
intention of sun to limit development this way). I poked Jason a few times to
get JMX on blessed list but I don't think I have poked Geir yet. (Though this
may have been resolved - I don't know).
Of course this is all stuff I have said time and again...
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 15:21, Noel J. Bergman wrote:
> > James is the only project I've seen in the last couple of days. They
> > still have JAF and JavaMail in the repository.
>
> Removed from HEAD. Thanks to Leo and Stephen for helping out with Ant
> scripts so that when someone does a build from source, they should get a
> notice telling them to install those files from Sun.
Ca you remove it from the attic aswell. Go into directory in /home/cvs and do
a rm -f on all the mail*.jar s that are in the lib/Attic directory
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RE: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by "Noel J. Bergman" <no...@devtech.com>.
> James is the only project I've seen in the last couple of days. They
> still have JAF and JavaMail in the repository.
Removed from HEAD. Thanks to Leo and Stephen for helping out with Ant
scripts so that when someone does a build from source, they should get a
notice telling them to install those files from Sun.
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Fri, 2003-02-21 at 11:20, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Peter Donald wrote:
> > On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:51, Greg Stein wrote:
> >
> >>Maybe this statement is that you see ibibilio as temporary? Not sure how
> >>to read it, but non-ASF-box distribution should be considered a bug to fix
> >>asap, rather than a temporary solution. The ASF shouldn't participate or
> >>condone actions or policies which (potentially) violate software
> >>licenses.
> >
> > Ironically ibiblio is more compliant with licenses than the majority of
> > Apache.
>
> Care to point out specifics? I'll make sure that the respective PMCs
> follow up on them.
James is the only project I've seen in the last couple of days. They
still have JAF and JavaMail in the repository. These are the first two
packages that I have tried to get exceptions for so hopefully they won't
be a problem in the near future.
> - Sam Ruby
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
Peter Donald wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:51, Greg Stein wrote:
>
>>Maybe this statement is that you see ibibilio as temporary? Not sure how
>>to read it, but non-ASF-box distribution should be considered a bug to fix
>>asap, rather than a temporary solution. The ASF shouldn't participate or
>>condone actions or policies which (potentially) violate software
>>licenses.
>
> Ironically ibiblio is more compliant with licenses than the majority of
> Apache.
Care to point out specifics? I'll make sure that the respective PMCs
follow up on them.
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Thu, 2003-02-20 at 05:25, Peter Donald wrote:
> On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:51, Greg Stein wrote:
> > Maybe this statement is that you see ibibilio as temporary? Not sure how
> > to read it, but non-ASF-box distribution should be considered a bug to fix
> > asap, rather than a temporary solution. The ASF shouldn't participate or
> > condone actions or policies which (potentially) violate software
> > licenses.
>
> Ironically ibiblio is more compliant with licenses than the majority of
> Apache.
It certainly is now. Dion spent a great deal of his own time verifying
each package there and we ditched any non-compliant packages. Hopefully
we will get JAF and JavaMail back. With Geir's help I've at least
started discussions with Bill Shannon and Tom Kincaid at Sun. Hasn't
gone too far but it's a start.
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Peter Donald <pe...@realityforge.org>.
On Thu, 20 Feb 2003 11:51, Greg Stein wrote:
> Maybe this statement is that you see ibibilio as temporary? Not sure how
> to read it, but non-ASF-box distribution should be considered a bug to fix
> asap, rather than a temporary solution. The ASF shouldn't participate or
> condone actions or policies which (potentially) violate software
> licenses.
Ironically ibiblio is more compliant with licenses than the majority of
Apache.
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org>.
On Wed, Feb 19, 2003 at 08:14:08PM -0500, Jason van Zyl wrote:
> On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 19:51, Greg Stein wrote:
> > In article <b3...@main.gmane.org>, "Leo Simons"
> > <le...@apache.org> wrote:
>...
> > > on request, so that ibiblio can remain the primary point of
> > > distribution.
> >
> > Please note that the Board wants to see ASF-operated hardware as the
> > only, definitive point of distribution. Other sites are free to
> > *re*distribute, but the primary point should be from an ASF box.
>
> I think this needs to be discussed and shouldn't be unilaterally
> dictated by the board. I think Ibiblio is a valid location ASF
> artifacts.
Absolutely, it is a valid location. But it is NOT a valid location for the
"primary point of distribution." All ASF software should be distributed from
ASF hardware (meaning: hardware under the ASF's control; most of it is
actually owned by others). If ibiblio wants to mirror our distro point, then
fine. Lots of people do that; it's why we have rsync installed.
Part of our job is to ensure the authenticity of the software that we
deliver to our users. This is predicated on using our hardware to provide
the right kinds of security and guarantees.
> Part of their mandate is to help proliferate OSS software.
> They are secure and using them would alleviate an enormous amount of
> bandwidth from Apache. If all our artifacts were put there imagine the
> savings on hardware and bandwidth costs. Are we up in the TB area? How
> much of this is distributions? Could we not strike an agreement with
> Ibiblio? They've got the horsepower and they are willing to share it.
I don't see why we need to do anything. Distribute from daedalus. Ibiblio
can rsync it over. What more is needed?
Let me turn this around: why the heck are we pushing so hard for ibiblio?
Why is daedalus insufficient?
>...
Cheers,
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 20:36, Sam Ruby wrote:
> Jason van Zyl wrote:
> >
> > The whole repository has been audited now, there isn't a single
> > violation. Dion Gillard saw to that personally going through every
> > artifact on Ibiblio.
>
> It has?
>
> What's the license for http://www.ibiblio.org/maven/msv/?
Apache style.
> I'm sorry that I haven't had time to do a complete audit myself, but
> each time I look, it seems relatively easy to find violations.
Try finding them now. Dion went through all of them. Double checking is
always good:
http://cvs.apache.org/viewcvs.cgi/jakarta-turbine-maven/repository-audit.xml?rev=1.43&content-type=text/vnd.viewcvs-markup
> It would help if the licenses for every jar in the repository was in a
> predictable place.
We're working on it. I've made contact with people at Sun, with Geir's
help, to try and resolve the Sun problems. We're starting with Java
mail. Waiting to hear back from Tom Kincaid.
> - Sam Ruby
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Sam Ruby <ru...@apache.org>.
Jason van Zyl wrote:
>
> The whole repository has been audited now, there isn't a single
> violation. Dion Gillard saw to that personally going through every
> artifact on Ibiblio.
It has?
What's the license for http://www.ibiblio.org/maven/msv/?
I'm sorry that I haven't had time to do a complete audit myself, but
each time I look, it seems relatively easy to find violations.
It would help if the licenses for every jar in the repository was in a
predictable place.
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Jason van Zyl <ja...@zenplex.com>.
On Wed, 2003-02-19 at 19:51, Greg Stein wrote:
> In article <b3...@main.gmane.org>, "Leo Simons"
> <le...@apache.org> wrote:
> >...
> > so would it make sense to have http://avalon.apache.org/repository
> > contain the avalon jars & dists? It is probably easy as hell for the
> > maven peeps to do a
> >
> > ssh daedalus.apache.org
> > cd /www/avalon.apache.org/repository
> > scp -r * wherever_it_goes_on_ibiblio
> >
> > on request, so that ibiblio can remain the primary point of
> > distribution.
>
> Please note that the Board wants to see ASF-operated hardware as the
> only, definitive point of distribution. Other sites are free to
> *re*distribute, but the primary point should be from an ASF box.
I think this needs to be discussed and shouldn't be unilaterally
dictated by the board. I think Ibiblio is a valid location ASF
artifacts. Part of their mandate is to help proliferate OSS software.
They are secure and using them would alleviate an enormous amount of
bandwidth from Apache. If all our artifacts were put there imagine the
savings on hardware and bandwidth costs. Are we up in the TB area? How
much of this is distributions? Could we not strike an agreement with
Ibiblio? They've got the horsepower and they are willing to share it.
> (today, that means icarus, daedalus, or nagoya; I believe the Maven folk
> have some boxen at rackspace.com; when that gets a foo.apache.org name,
> and the infrastructure people assume some level of admin capability over
> it, then that can be another distro point)
There's no way we could afford the bandwidth. We plan on using it for
housing the admin app which will forward submitted artifacts to the
central repo but we would just get slaughtered.
> > All this just temporarily until the infrastructure peeps
> > and the peeps looking at a common repository hammer out something more
> > solid.
>
> Maybe this statement is that you see ibibilio as temporary? Not sure how
> to read it, but non-ASF-box distribution should be considered a bug to fix
> asap, rather than a temporary solution. The ASF shouldn't participate or
> condone actions or policies which (potentially) violate software
> licenses.
The whole repository has been audited now, there isn't a single
violation. Dion Gillard saw to that personally going through every
artifact on Ibiblio.
> Thx,
> -g
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Re: Cannot access mx4j webserver from remote host
Posted by Ulrich Mayring <ul...@denic.de>.
Jim Alateras wrote:
> When I enable mx4j system management in my phoenix application I find
> that I cannot access the web server from a remote host. I have searched
> the archives and believe that this problem has been fixed in 4.1 but
> could not ascertain whether it has also been patched to the 4.0.3
> release.
4.0.3 has the patch, 4.0.2 doesn't.
Ulrich
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Cannot access mx4j webserver from remote host
Posted by Jim Alateras <ji...@intalio.com>.
When I enable mx4j system management in my phoenix application I find
that I cannot access the web server from a remote host. I have searched
the archives and believe that this problem has been fixed in 4.1 but
could not ascertain whether it has also been patched to the 4.0.3
release.
cheers
</jima>
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>.
Greg Stein wrote:
> In article <b3...@main.gmane.org>, "Leo Simons"
> <le...@apache.org> wrote:
>
>>...
>>so would it make sense to have http://avalon.apache.org/repository
>>contain the avalon jars & dists? It is probably easy as hell for the
>>maven peeps to do a
>>
>> ssh daedalus.apache.org
>> cd /www/avalon.apache.org/repository
>> scp -r * wherever_it_goes_on_ibiblio
>>
>>on request, so that ibiblio can remain the primary point of
>>distribution.
>
> Please note that the Board wants to see ASF-operated hardware as the
> only, definitive point of distribution. Other sites are free to
> *re*distribute, but the primary point should be from an ASF box.
acked. Any kind of avalon-hosted maven repository would in fact be a
secondary point distribution of stuff @ www.apache.org/dist, and ibiblio
would be a ternary distribution point.
>>All this just temporarily until the infrastructure peeps
>>and the peeps looking at a common repository hammer out something more
>>solid.
>
> Maybe this statement is that you see ibibilio as temporary?
ibiblio temporary? Nah....they're running strong as far as I know :D
> Not sure how
> to read it, but non-ASF-box distribution should be considered a bug to fix
> asap, rather than a temporary solution.
note all ASF-created binaries distributed from www.ibiblio.org/maven/
are indeed available from an apache box as well. The ibiblio repository
is merely redistribution (in a slightly different form).
Here's the usecase: it makes a lot of sense to have a central location
where java jars are provided in a machine-readable/findable fashion so
that tools like maven and centipede can find them and do auto-install.
Like with apt, rpm, CPAN, etc etc.
My statement was an acknowledgement of this usecase and a suggestion for
a braindead setup to accommodate it. The "temporary" nature is in that I
hope that the ASF distribution setup will change to accomodate this
usecase in a more solid way (I know I know...do it yourself....)
> The ASF shouldn't participate or
> condone actions or policies which (potentially) violate software
> licenses.
+1, but that's not what I was talking about at all.
cheers!
- Leo
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Re: maven-style repository for avalon stuff?
Posted by Greg Stein <gs...@lyra.org>.
In article <b3...@main.gmane.org>, "Leo Simons"
<le...@apache.org> wrote:
>...
> so would it make sense to have http://avalon.apache.org/repository
> contain the avalon jars & dists? It is probably easy as hell for the
> maven peeps to do a
>
> ssh daedalus.apache.org
> cd /www/avalon.apache.org/repository
> scp -r * wherever_it_goes_on_ibiblio
>
> on request, so that ibiblio can remain the primary point of
> distribution.
Please note that the Board wants to see ASF-operated hardware as the
only, definitive point of distribution. Other sites are free to
*re*distribute, but the primary point should be from an ASF box.
(today, that means icarus, daedalus, or nagoya; I believe the Maven folk
have some boxen at rackspace.com; when that gets a foo.apache.org name,
and the infrastructure people assume some level of admin capability over
it, then that can be another distro point)
> All this just temporarily until the infrastructure peeps
> and the peeps looking at a common repository hammer out something more
> solid.
Maybe this statement is that you see ibibilio as temporary? Not sure how
to read it, but non-ASF-box distribution should be considered a bug to fix
asap, rather than a temporary solution. The ASF shouldn't participate or
condone actions or policies which (potentially) violate software
licenses.
Thx,
-g
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Greg Stein, http://www.lyra.org/
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