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Posted to dev@flex.apache.org by Mark Fuqua <ma...@availdata.com> on 2012/11/17 18:58:04 UTC
Flex 5
I love Flex. And I don't see changing anytime soon.
FWIW, I would be surprised if Adobe and/or others are not hard at work
creating the 'Next Flex' that targets JS HTML5 or multiple targets. It
would certainly fit with Edge/Muse/Brackets...maybe Adobe Sencha?
I say this gently, as one who has not submitted any code myself:
In the short run, like the next year or so...Apache Flex 5 maybe, it would
be great to have the following worked on/created:
Squiggley
Additional Spark components
ADG
Ilog like components (especially a Gantt Chart component)
I would gladly support those with money (I don't have much money, but I have
more money than coding/compiler experience). I wouldn't even mind if the
above came with a price tag (I paid $800 for Ilog components).
As to the future of Flex, post Flash player, it would seem a more fruitful
discussion, if folks like me (who aren't committing code and therefore,
likely to be of little use on the next step...the big re-write), expressed
their opinions gently, and follow the lead of those likely to do the bulk of
the work (or not).
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Hordur Thordarson [mailto:hordur@lausn.is]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:23 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Flex 5 in haxe
And they may well do just that, I obviously have no control over that. I am
just taking at face value what they say their current strategy is and adding
to that my reading of the browser/mobile landscape, the future of browser
plugins, etc, and adding all that up my conclusion is that the current Flex
deployment scenario is viable for many more years.
On 17.11.2012, at 16:30, Jeffry Houser wrote:
> On 11/17/2012 11:20 AM, Hordur Thordarson wrote:
>> That to me says that Flash player/AIR aren't going away, quite the
opposite in fact as Flash player/AIR (for mobile) are core components of
Adobe's new gaming strategy for building a business on top of Flash.
>
> But, many are afraid that Adobe may change their roadmap / goals with very
little warning.
> [Like a few weeks after a big Max Conference]
>
> --
> Jeffry Houser
> Technical Entrepreneur
> 203-379-0773
> --
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RE: Flex 5
Posted by Mark Fuqua <ma...@availdata.com>.
Well. ADG. I can honestly say, the only time I ever used it, was
indirectly, as the Ilog Gantt Chart was based on the Advanced Data Grid. I
was just aware that there wasn't a Spark version of the ADG and that many
people have mentioned that the MX version was a little buggy.
I think maybe the Spark data grid would be fine...as long as it allows the
expandable tree in the first column. I am a noob and am actually stuck with
MX only as I cannot afford IBM Ilog Elixir Enterprise (the version that runs
on flex 4...$3200 plus deployment costs as compared to the $800 I paid for
Ilog Elixir, pre IBM that works with the Flex 3 SDK).
It does seem Flex 3 is a good bit simpler than Flex 4 and I am curious, if
you don't mind offering your opinion, how much of the complexity of Flex 4
was simply to chase Adobe's dream of Flash Catalyst and how much was really
a necessary change to make Flex better?
How different is Flex 4 from Flex 3? I have done some mobile work in Flex
4.6 and it seems quite similar, but I have read that it is quite different
and I wonder if all I am learning working with Flex 3 and Ilog is wasted or
most will transfer over to Flex 4?
Thanks for all your hard work,
Mark Fuqua
-----Original Message-----
From: Carol Frampton [mailto:cframpto@adobe.com]
Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 10:19 AM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Flex 5
On 11/17/12 12 :58PM, "Mark Fuqua" <ma...@availdata.com> wrote:
>I love Flex. And I don't see changing anytime soon.
>
>FWIW, I would be surprised if Adobe and/or others are not hard at work
>creating the 'Next Flex' that targets JS HTML5 or multiple targets. It
>would certainly fit with Edge/Muse/Brackets...maybe Adobe Sencha?
>
>I say this gently, as one who has not submitted any code myself:
>
>In the short run, like the next year or so...Apache Flex 5 maybe, it
>would be great to have the following worked on/created:
>
>Squiggley
>Additional Spark components
What would you like to see?
>ADG
We had planned to replace this with the Spark DataGrid but as you probably
know not all the features were finished. Which features in particular would
you like to see implemented? Locked rows and columns, and sorting multiple
columns was finished and the code is in my whiteboard but haven't been moved
to the sdk yet.
Carol
RE: Flex 5
Posted by Mark Fuqua <ma...@availdata.com>.
Dude...I'm with you. I bought Ilog the same day they announced the pending
sale. IBM, if you're not a multi-national, sucks. Ilog went from a very
expensive $800 to a crazy $3200 + deployment costs.
IBM and enterprise in the same sentence....as in IBM ILOG Elixir
Enterprise...gives me the willies.
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: christofer.dutz@c-ware.de [mailto:christofer.dutz@c-ware.de]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 2:09 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: AW: Flex 5
Well at least with Apache you're not threatened with a law-suite as thanks
for creating a patch to make ILog work with Flex4 ;-) (Was a few years ago).
Was definitely the last time I payed for anything from big old blue ... and
it's certainly allways my reason I give the guys for declining any offers to
work for them ;-)
Sorry ... just has to mention this ;-)
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Mark Fuqua [mailto:mark@availdata.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 17. November 2012 18:58
An: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Flex 5
I love Flex. And I don't see changing anytime soon.
FWIW, I would be surprised if Adobe and/or others are not hard at work
creating the 'Next Flex' that targets JS HTML5 or multiple targets. It
would certainly fit with Edge/Muse/Brackets...maybe Adobe Sencha?
I say this gently, as one who has not submitted any code myself:
In the short run, like the next year or so...Apache Flex 5 maybe, it would
be great to have the following worked on/created:
Squiggley
Additional Spark components
ADG
Ilog like components (especially a Gantt Chart component)
I would gladly support those with money (I don't have much money, but I have
more money than coding/compiler experience). I wouldn't even mind if the
above came with a price tag (I paid $800 for Ilog components).
As to the future of Flex, post Flash player, it would seem a more fruitful
discussion, if folks like me (who aren't committing code and therefore,
likely to be of little use on the next step...the big re-write), expressed
their opinions gently, and follow the lead of those likely to do the bulk of
the work (or not).
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Hordur Thordarson [mailto:hordur@lausn.is]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:23 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Flex 5 in haxe
And they may well do just that, I obviously have no control over that. I am
just taking at face value what they say their current strategy is and adding
to that my reading of the browser/mobile landscape, the future of browser
plugins, etc, and adding all that up my conclusion is that the current Flex
deployment scenario is viable for many more years.
On 17.11.2012, at 16:30, Jeffry Houser wrote:
> On 11/17/2012 11:20 AM, Hordur Thordarson wrote:
>> That to me says that Flash player/AIR aren't going away, quite the
opposite in fact as Flash player/AIR (for mobile) are core components of
Adobe's new gaming strategy for building a business on top of Flash.
>
> But, many are afraid that Adobe may change their roadmap / goals with
> very
little warning.
> [Like a few weeks after a big Max Conference]
>
> --
> Jeffry Houser
> Technical Entrepreneur
> 203-379-0773
> --
> http://www.flextras.com?c=104
> UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready!
> --
> http://www.theflexshow.com
> http://www.jeffryhouser.com
> http://www.asktheflexpert.com
> --
> Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
>
AW: Flex 5
Posted by "christofer.dutz@c-ware.de" <ch...@c-ware.de>.
Well at least with Apache you're not threatened with a law-suite as thanks for creating a patch to make ILog work with Flex4 ;-) (Was a few years ago).
Was definitely the last time I payed for anything from big old blue ... and it's certainly allways my reason I give the guys for declining any offers to work for them ;-)
Sorry ... just has to mention this ;-)
-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: Mark Fuqua [mailto:mark@availdata.com]
Gesendet: Samstag, 17. November 2012 18:58
An: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Betreff: Flex 5
I love Flex. And I don't see changing anytime soon.
FWIW, I would be surprised if Adobe and/or others are not hard at work creating the 'Next Flex' that targets JS HTML5 or multiple targets. It would certainly fit with Edge/Muse/Brackets...maybe Adobe Sencha?
I say this gently, as one who has not submitted any code myself:
In the short run, like the next year or so...Apache Flex 5 maybe, it would be great to have the following worked on/created:
Squiggley
Additional Spark components
ADG
Ilog like components (especially a Gantt Chart component)
I would gladly support those with money (I don't have much money, but I have more money than coding/compiler experience). I wouldn't even mind if the above came with a price tag (I paid $800 for Ilog components).
As to the future of Flex, post Flash player, it would seem a more fruitful discussion, if folks like me (who aren't committing code and therefore, likely to be of little use on the next step...the big re-write), expressed their opinions gently, and follow the lead of those likely to do the bulk of the work (or not).
Mark
-----Original Message-----
From: Hordur Thordarson [mailto:hordur@lausn.is]
Sent: Saturday, November 17, 2012 12:23 PM
To: flex-dev@incubator.apache.org
Subject: Re: Flex 5 in haxe
And they may well do just that, I obviously have no control over that. I am just taking at face value what they say their current strategy is and adding to that my reading of the browser/mobile landscape, the future of browser plugins, etc, and adding all that up my conclusion is that the current Flex deployment scenario is viable for many more years.
On 17.11.2012, at 16:30, Jeffry Houser wrote:
> On 11/17/2012 11:20 AM, Hordur Thordarson wrote:
>> That to me says that Flash player/AIR aren't going away, quite the
opposite in fact as Flash player/AIR (for mobile) are core components of Adobe's new gaming strategy for building a business on top of Flash.
>
> But, many are afraid that Adobe may change their roadmap / goals with
> very
little warning.
> [Like a few weeks after a big Max Conference]
>
> --
> Jeffry Houser
> Technical Entrepreneur
> 203-379-0773
> --
> http://www.flextras.com?c=104
> UI Flex Components: Tested! Supported! Ready!
> --
> http://www.theflexshow.com
> http://www.jeffryhouser.com
> http://www.asktheflexpert.com
> --
> Part of the DotComIt Brain Trust
>
Re: Flex 5
Posted by Hans | dotdotcommadot <ha...@dotdotcommadot.com>.
Hi Carol,
I've been waiting for these 2 features for a customer of mine.
I was thinking about implementing them myself, but then I heard they were going to be part of the SDK.
Do you have any idea of when we might be able to use them?
Kind regards,
Hans
On 19 Nov 2012, at 16:18, Carol Frampton <cf...@adobe.com> wrote:
>
>
> On 11/17/12 12 :58PM, "Mark Fuqua" <ma...@availdata.com> wrote:
>
>> I love Flex. And I don't see changing anytime soon.
>>
>> FWIW, I would be surprised if Adobe and/or others are not hard at work
>> creating the 'Next Flex' that targets JS HTML5 or multiple targets. It
>> would certainly fit with Edge/Muse/Brackets...maybe Adobe Sencha?
>>
>> I say this gently, as one who has not submitted any code myself:
>>
>> In the short run, like the next year or so...Apache Flex 5 maybe, it would
>> be great to have the following worked on/created:
>>
>> Squiggley
>> Additional Spark components
>
> What would you like to see?
>
>> ADG
>
> We had planned to replace this with the Spark DataGrid but as you probably
> know not all the features were finished. Which features in particular
> would you like to see implemented? Locked rows and columns, and sorting
> multiple columns was finished and the code is in my whiteboard but haven't
> been moved to the sdk yet.
>
> Carol
>
Re: Flex 5
Posted by Carol Frampton <cf...@adobe.com>.
On 11/17/12 12 :58PM, "Mark Fuqua" <ma...@availdata.com> wrote:
>I love Flex. And I don't see changing anytime soon.
>
>FWIW, I would be surprised if Adobe and/or others are not hard at work
>creating the 'Next Flex' that targets JS HTML5 or multiple targets. It
>would certainly fit with Edge/Muse/Brackets...maybe Adobe Sencha?
>
>I say this gently, as one who has not submitted any code myself:
>
>In the short run, like the next year or so...Apache Flex 5 maybe, it would
>be great to have the following worked on/created:
>
>Squiggley
>Additional Spark components
What would you like to see?
>ADG
We had planned to replace this with the Spark DataGrid but as you probably
know not all the features were finished. Which features in particular
would you like to see implemented? Locked rows and columns, and sorting
multiple columns was finished and the code is in my whiteboard but haven't
been moved to the sdk yet.
Carol