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Posted to user@spark.apache.org by Zahid Rahman <za...@gmail.com> on 2020/03/28 02:46:10 UTC
OFF TOPIC LIST CRITERIA
Sean Owen says the criteria of these two emailing list is not help to
support some body
who is new but for people who have been using the software for a long time.
He is implying I think that I should only send email when I find bugs so
that I can help him in his work.
A one way street.
He is suggesting the more familiar you are with this software the more
important you are.
Some kind of Alpha male type heirachy.
He wants to put a barrier in place where Apache foundation wants no
barriers to free learning and free software.
He has not reported any bugs while I have reported so many in such a short
space of time.
He has warned me as well
So that Sean Owen does not put a barrier in place for me in my path to free
learning and free Apache software
I would like somebody to clarify the criteria for me.
Backbutton.co.uk
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Make Use Method {MUM}
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Re: OFF TOPIC LIST CRITERIA
Posted by Zahid Rahman <za...@gmail.com>.
Would it be surprising to know that I know the difference between a user
issue and a bug and feature.
I have commercial experience and training in safety critical software
(aerospace). Believe me that is an entirely different world.
With entirely different standards.
Obviously if I want an answer because I am impatient then that is what the
line is for.
Otherwise why have a mailing list , just google it or read a book.
Even though I am beginning to get to know apache spark.
I have actually six books on the subject so I prepared in advance not to
rely on anyone.
This guy wants people only to ask those question which are of interest to
him.
Sadly there are people in IT who if they know a subject think they have a
moral authority too.
The two do not go hand in hand.
Backbutton.co.uk
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
♡۶Java♡۶RMI ♡۶
Make Use Method {MUM}
makeuse.org
<http://www.backbutton.co.uk>
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 07:13, ayan guha <gu...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi
>
> THough Sean requested a non-reply, but this is sincerely crazy.
>
> @Zahid - what Sean said is actually mentioned in Spark's website
>
>
> - user@spark.incubator.apache.org
> <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-spark-user/> --
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> (archives)
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> - dev@spark.incubator.apache.org
> <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-spark-dev/> -- for
> people who want to contribute code to Spark. (subscribe)
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> (archives)
> <http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-spark-dev/>
>
> Most users will probably want the User list, but individuals interested in
> contributing code to the project should also subscribe to the Dev list.
>
> Also, in ASF - https://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-email-tips
>
> Its nothing wrong to use appropriate mailing lists, and nothing wrong if
> someone points out to you.
>
>
> Given I can vouch for @Sean Owen <sr...@gmail.com>'s contribution in the
> user group (and especially around CI/CD), your claims and tone in which
> those are made are both sadly hilarious. Let us refrain from hurting each
> other in this otherwise troubled times.
>
> Best
>
> Ayan
>
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 2:11 PM Zahid Rahman <za...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> OK *user support. user@ is DONE !!!*
>>
>> I reported a work around to an existing bug actually to the experienced
>> user.
>> and "the experienced user" was "not aware" of the
>> setting in the log4j.properties so he learned something new too.
>> Clearly neither were you.
>>
>> Also it may surprise some people but there are people who have been
>> formally
>> trained in software development.
>> We can tell a self trained a mile away.
>>
>>
>> Backbutton.co.uk
>> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>> ♡۶Java♡۶RMI ♡۶
>> Make Use Method {MUM}
>> makeuse.org
>> <http://www.backbutton.co.uk>
>>
>>
>> On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 03:02, Sean Owen <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> BCC user, dev, and I encourage others to not reply.
>>>
>>> I said _dev@_ is not for user support. user@ is. You heard that
>>> yesterday, too, and not to cross-post.
>>> You actually got answers to several questions, despite their tone,
>>> from experienced developers of the project.
>>>
>>> Messages like yours are, I assure you, not useful to _anybody_. If we
>>> let people talk like this on big community lists, yes _that_ will put
>>> up barriers.
>>> So, the answer for you is: you are not using either of these lists
>>> appropriately right now. If you can keep it civil and on-topic, use
>>> user@.
>>> Otherwise we will block you from the lists.
>>>
>>>
>>> Sean
>>>
>>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 9:46 PM Zahid Rahman <za...@gmail.com>
>>> wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Sean Owen says the criteria of these two emailing list is not help to
>>> support some body
>>> > who is new but for people who have been using the software for a long
>>> time.
>>> >
>>> > He is implying I think that I should only send email when I find bugs
>>> so that I can help him in his work.
>>> > A one way street.
>>> >
>>> > He is suggesting the more familiar you are with this software the more
>>> important you are.
>>> > Some kind of Alpha male type heirachy.
>>> >
>>> > He wants to put a barrier in place where Apache foundation wants no
>>> barriers to free learning and free software.
>>> >
>>> > He has not reported any bugs while I have reported so many in such a
>>> short space of time.
>>> > He has warned me as well
>>> >
>>> > So that Sean Owen does not put a barrier in place for me in my path to
>>> free learning and free Apache software
>>> > I would like somebody to clarify the criteria for me.
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Backbutton.co.uk
>>> > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>>> > ♡۶Java♡۶RMI ♡۶
>>> > Make Use Method {MUM}
>>> > makeuse.org
>>>
>>
>
> --
> Best Regards,
> Ayan Guha
>
Re: OFF TOPIC LIST CRITERIA
Posted by ayan guha <gu...@gmail.com>.
Hi
THough Sean requested a non-reply, but this is sincerely crazy.
@Zahid - what Sean said is actually mentioned in Spark's website
- user@spark.incubator.apache.org
<http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-spark-user/> -- for
usage questions, help, and announcements. (subscribe)
<user-subscribe@spark.incubator.apache.org?subject=(send%20this%20email%20to%20subscribe)>
(archives)
<http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-spark-user/>
- dev@spark.incubator.apache.org
<http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-spark-dev/> -- for
people who want to contribute code to Spark. (subscribe)
<dev-subscribe@spark.incubator.apache.org?subject=(send%20this%20email%20to%20subscribe)>
(archives)
<http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-spark-dev/>
Most users will probably want the User list, but individuals interested in
contributing code to the project should also subscribe to the Dev list.
Also, in ASF - https://www.apache.org/dev/contrib-email-tips
Its nothing wrong to use appropriate mailing lists, and nothing wrong if
someone points out to you.
Given I can vouch for @Sean Owen <sr...@gmail.com>'s contribution in the
user group (and especially around CI/CD), your claims and tone in which
those are made are both sadly hilarious. Let us refrain from hurting each
other in this otherwise troubled times.
Best
Ayan
On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 2:11 PM Zahid Rahman <za...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> OK *user support. user@ is DONE !!!*
>
> I reported a work around to an existing bug actually to the experienced
> user.
> and "the experienced user" was "not aware" of the
> setting in the log4j.properties so he learned something new too.
> Clearly neither were you.
>
> Also it may surprise some people but there are people who have been
> formally
> trained in software development.
> We can tell a self trained a mile away.
>
>
> Backbutton.co.uk
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> ♡۶Java♡۶RMI ♡۶
> Make Use Method {MUM}
> makeuse.org
> <http://www.backbutton.co.uk>
>
>
> On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 03:02, Sean Owen <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> BCC user, dev, and I encourage others to not reply.
>>
>> I said _dev@_ is not for user support. user@ is. You heard that
>> yesterday, too, and not to cross-post.
>> You actually got answers to several questions, despite their tone,
>> from experienced developers of the project.
>>
>> Messages like yours are, I assure you, not useful to _anybody_. If we
>> let people talk like this on big community lists, yes _that_ will put
>> up barriers.
>> So, the answer for you is: you are not using either of these lists
>> appropriately right now. If you can keep it civil and on-topic, use
>> user@.
>> Otherwise we will block you from the lists.
>>
>>
>> Sean
>>
>> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 9:46 PM Zahid Rahman <za...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>> >
>> >
>> > Sean Owen says the criteria of these two emailing list is not help to
>> support some body
>> > who is new but for people who have been using the software for a long
>> time.
>> >
>> > He is implying I think that I should only send email when I find bugs
>> so that I can help him in his work.
>> > A one way street.
>> >
>> > He is suggesting the more familiar you are with this software the more
>> important you are.
>> > Some kind of Alpha male type heirachy.
>> >
>> > He wants to put a barrier in place where Apache foundation wants no
>> barriers to free learning and free software.
>> >
>> > He has not reported any bugs while I have reported so many in such a
>> short space of time.
>> > He has warned me as well
>> >
>> > So that Sean Owen does not put a barrier in place for me in my path to
>> free learning and free Apache software
>> > I would like somebody to clarify the criteria for me.
>> >
>> >
>> > Backbutton.co.uk
>> > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
>> > ♡۶Java♡۶RMI ♡۶
>> > Make Use Method {MUM}
>> > makeuse.org
>>
>
--
Best Regards,
Ayan Guha
Re: OFF TOPIC LIST CRITERIA
Posted by Zahid Rahman <za...@gmail.com>.
OK *user support. user@ is DONE !!!*
I reported a work around to an existing bug actually to the experienced
user.
and "the experienced user" was "not aware" of the
setting in the log4j.properties so he learned something new too.
Clearly neither were you.
Also it may surprise some people but there are people who have been
formally
trained in software development.
We can tell a self trained a mile away.
Backbutton.co.uk
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
♡۶Java♡۶RMI ♡۶
Make Use Method {MUM}
makeuse.org
<http://www.backbutton.co.uk>
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 03:02, Sean Owen <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> BCC user, dev, and I encourage others to not reply.
>
> I said _dev@_ is not for user support. user@ is. You heard that
> yesterday, too, and not to cross-post.
> You actually got answers to several questions, despite their tone,
> from experienced developers of the project.
>
> Messages like yours are, I assure you, not useful to _anybody_. If we
> let people talk like this on big community lists, yes _that_ will put
> up barriers.
> So, the answer for you is: you are not using either of these lists
> appropriately right now. If you can keep it civil and on-topic, use
> user@.
> Otherwise we will block you from the lists.
>
>
> Sean
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 9:46 PM Zahid Rahman <za...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sean Owen says the criteria of these two emailing list is not help to
> support some body
> > who is new but for people who have been using the software for a long
> time.
> >
> > He is implying I think that I should only send email when I find bugs so
> that I can help him in his work.
> > A one way street.
> >
> > He is suggesting the more familiar you are with this software the more
> important you are.
> > Some kind of Alpha male type heirachy.
> >
> > He wants to put a barrier in place where Apache foundation wants no
> barriers to free learning and free software.
> >
> > He has not reported any bugs while I have reported so many in such a
> short space of time.
> > He has warned me as well
> >
> > So that Sean Owen does not put a barrier in place for me in my path to
> free learning and free Apache software
> > I would like somebody to clarify the criteria for me.
> >
> >
> > Backbutton.co.uk
> > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> > ♡۶Java♡۶RMI ♡۶
> > Make Use Method {MUM}
> > makeuse.org
>
Re: OFF TOPIC LIST CRITERIA
Posted by Zahid Rahman <za...@gmail.com>.
OK *user support. user@ is DONE !!!*
I reported a work around to an existing bug actually to the experienced
user.
and "the experienced user" was "not aware" of the
setting in the log4j.properties so he learned something new too.
Clearly neither were you.
Also it may surprise some people but there are people who have been
formally
trained in software development.
We can tell a self trained a mile away.
Backbutton.co.uk
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
♡۶Java♡۶RMI ♡۶
Make Use Method {MUM}
makeuse.org
<http://www.backbutton.co.uk>
On Sat, 28 Mar 2020 at 03:02, Sean Owen <sr...@gmail.com> wrote:
> BCC user, dev, and I encourage others to not reply.
>
> I said _dev@_ is not for user support. user@ is. You heard that
> yesterday, too, and not to cross-post.
> You actually got answers to several questions, despite their tone,
> from experienced developers of the project.
>
> Messages like yours are, I assure you, not useful to _anybody_. If we
> let people talk like this on big community lists, yes _that_ will put
> up barriers.
> So, the answer for you is: you are not using either of these lists
> appropriately right now. If you can keep it civil and on-topic, use
> user@.
> Otherwise we will block you from the lists.
>
>
> Sean
>
> On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 9:46 PM Zahid Rahman <za...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Sean Owen says the criteria of these two emailing list is not help to
> support some body
> > who is new but for people who have been using the software for a long
> time.
> >
> > He is implying I think that I should only send email when I find bugs so
> that I can help him in his work.
> > A one way street.
> >
> > He is suggesting the more familiar you are with this software the more
> important you are.
> > Some kind of Alpha male type heirachy.
> >
> > He wants to put a barrier in place where Apache foundation wants no
> barriers to free learning and free software.
> >
> > He has not reported any bugs while I have reported so many in such a
> short space of time.
> > He has warned me as well
> >
> > So that Sean Owen does not put a barrier in place for me in my path to
> free learning and free Apache software
> > I would like somebody to clarify the criteria for me.
> >
> >
> > Backbutton.co.uk
> > ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> > ♡۶Java♡۶RMI ♡۶
> > Make Use Method {MUM}
> > makeuse.org
>
Re: OFF TOPIC LIST CRITERIA
Posted by Sean Owen <sr...@gmail.com>.
BCC user, dev, and I encourage others to not reply.
I said _dev@_ is not for user support. user@ is. You heard that
yesterday, too, and not to cross-post.
You actually got answers to several questions, despite their tone,
from experienced developers of the project.
Messages like yours are, I assure you, not useful to _anybody_. If we
let people talk like this on big community lists, yes _that_ will put
up barriers.
So, the answer for you is: you are not using either of these lists
appropriately right now. If you can keep it civil and on-topic, use
user@.
Otherwise we will block you from the lists.
Sean
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 9:46 PM Zahid Rahman <za...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sean Owen says the criteria of these two emailing list is not help to support some body
> who is new but for people who have been using the software for a long time.
>
> He is implying I think that I should only send email when I find bugs so that I can help him in his work.
> A one way street.
>
> He is suggesting the more familiar you are with this software the more important you are.
> Some kind of Alpha male type heirachy.
>
> He wants to put a barrier in place where Apache foundation wants no barriers to free learning and free software.
>
> He has not reported any bugs while I have reported so many in such a short space of time.
> He has warned me as well
>
> So that Sean Owen does not put a barrier in place for me in my path to free learning and free Apache software
> I would like somebody to clarify the criteria for me.
>
>
> Backbutton.co.uk
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> ♡۶Java♡۶RMI ♡۶
> Make Use Method {MUM}
> makeuse.org
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Re: OFF TOPIC LIST CRITERIA
Posted by Sean Owen <sr...@gmail.com>.
BCC user, dev, and I encourage others to not reply.
I said _dev@_ is not for user support. user@ is. You heard that
yesterday, too, and not to cross-post.
You actually got answers to several questions, despite their tone,
from experienced developers of the project.
Messages like yours are, I assure you, not useful to _anybody_. If we
let people talk like this on big community lists, yes _that_ will put
up barriers.
So, the answer for you is: you are not using either of these lists
appropriately right now. If you can keep it civil and on-topic, use
user@.
Otherwise we will block you from the lists.
Sean
On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 9:46 PM Zahid Rahman <za...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> Sean Owen says the criteria of these two emailing list is not help to support some body
> who is new but for people who have been using the software for a long time.
>
> He is implying I think that I should only send email when I find bugs so that I can help him in his work.
> A one way street.
>
> He is suggesting the more familiar you are with this software the more important you are.
> Some kind of Alpha male type heirachy.
>
> He wants to put a barrier in place where Apache foundation wants no barriers to free learning and free software.
>
> He has not reported any bugs while I have reported so many in such a short space of time.
> He has warned me as well
>
> So that Sean Owen does not put a barrier in place for me in my path to free learning and free Apache software
> I would like somebody to clarify the criteria for me.
>
>
> Backbutton.co.uk
> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
> ♡۶Java♡۶RMI ♡۶
> Make Use Method {MUM}
> makeuse.org
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