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Posted to dev@openmeetings.apache.org by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com> on 2013/04/19 21:22:38 UTC

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Hello infrastructure team,
could Apache spare a demo server for Openmeetings technology? Here is
a list of requirements or the server:

> virtual Ubuntu host
> 1Gb memory
> 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
> 25% of modern 2-core processor

We are also interested in opening two jabber channels (for Russian and
English real time messaging on openmeetings) with the following
requirements
1) history on the web site;
2) rss channel;
3) irc-like group chat;
4) I had four and forgot one... anyway it was conventional

Is it somehow possible?

--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095


On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 1:43 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> As I see Ross has replied, I dont want to drag this thread out, but to answer your specific questions below:
>
> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:59:17PM +0400:
>> [somehow missed dev@]
>>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:54 PM, Alexei Fedotov
>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> > @sebastian sure 20 Mbit/s server that cannot replace openmeetings.de
>> > @tony I suspected that bandwidth can be a problem, I recall how Apache
>> > Harmony guys were banned due to frequent svn checkouts
>
> They werent banned due to bandwidth constraints, more that they were most likely killing the SVN service for everyone else.
>
>> > I recall Apache owned several donated servers at different places, and
>> > the server don't need to be close to the whole Apache infra. Could one
>> > of these servers be used, or these remote donated servers are no
>> > longer available?
>
> You need to be clear, the only donated hardware we use are machines running at Y! that are part of our larger build farm.  They are not intended to run meeting servers. Yes our infrastructure is global, and you are right the infrastructure doesnt neccesarily have to be in the same rack as everything else.  But there are still some constraints, for example all locations must be conected to Internet2, or be a direct peer of their service.  We also, dont tend to keep spare physical machines around as we usually plan our growth and replacement cycle during the budgetting process. In short we can provide you with a VM, but I would want to see incredibly strong data to back up the 20Mb requirement.  As we will need to pass this up the chain to our colo, and they their provider.
>
>
>
>> > On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 12:07 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:24:08AM +0400:
>> >>> Hi Tony,
>> >>>
>> >>> There are requirements for hosting small conferences for ~8 people
>> >>> (like Apache board):
>> >>>
>> >>> virtual Ubuntu host
>> >>> 1Gb memory
>> >>> 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
>> >>
>> >> Alexei, we dont have that amount of bandwidth to throw this.  Our main US circuit is only 50Mb.  This has to provide all our other services too, such as svn, mail, www, mail-archives etc.
>> >> Right now we are pushinvg that circuit at over 100Mb during peak periods. Adding another 20Mb is likely to upset folks at OSU.
>> >>
>> >>> 25% of modern 2-core processor
>> >>
>> >> Other resources you request should be do-able without a great deal of strain.  It's just the bandwidth requirements that make this look very unattractive.
>> >>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> --
>> >>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >>> http://dataved.ru/
>> >>> +7 916 562 8095
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On Mon, Mar 12, 2012 at 11:12 AM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>> > Alexei Fedotov wrote on Sun, Mar 11, 2012 at 10:23:32AM +0400:
>> >>> >> Jukka,
>> >>> >> I believe there are use cases for real time communication. For
>> >>> >> example, GSoC is coming, and one of requirements for student/mentor
>> >>> >> pair is to have a Skype interview. Why not to replace it with Apache
>> >>> >> Openmetings interview?
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> Infra folks,
>> >>> >> Do you think it makes sense to create Apache openmeetigns demo server,
>> >>> >> which can be used for real time communication?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > To be honest, thats isnt for us to answer, what we will answer to is a request
>> >>> > for resources to run something on. However please note that just asking for a
>> >>> > 'server' with no real specification of resources required, your request will
>> >>> > quite likely grind to a halt.  In other words the more information you can give
>> >>> > us the better chance you will have of actually getting what you ask for.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> How difficult would it be?
>> >>> >
>> >>> > You tell us, we haven't deployed it before.  If we were to give you a 'server'
>> >>> > it would amonst certainly be either a Ubuntu VM, or an fBSD Jail. Both of
>> >>> > which are I/O restricted as the physical host is shared with others.
>> >>> >
>> >>> >> Openmeetings could take advantage of good bandwidth.
>> >>> >
>> >>> > So does skype.  :-)
>> >>> >
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> --
>> >>> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> >>> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> >>> >> http://dataved.ru/
>> >>> >> +7 916 562 8095
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >> On Wed, Mar 7, 2012 at 11:53 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> >> <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>> >> > @Alexei I can remember it was your question about having a demo server @
>> >>> >> > Apache
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > ---------- Forwarded message ----------
>> >>> >> > From: Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
>> >>> >> > Date: 2012/3/5
>> >>> >> > Subject: OpenMeetings status (Was: [Incubator Wiki] Update of "March2012"
>> >>> >> > by SebastianWagner)
>> >>> >> > To: general@incubator.apache.org
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Hi,
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Thanks for the early report, OpenMeetings! (And good catch on
>> >>> >> > reverting the accidental removal of your report.)
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Sounds like you're off to a good start at incubation. I'm looking
>> >>> >> > forward to more good news from you!
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > On Fri, Feb 24, 2012 at 11:50 AM, Apache Wiki <wi...@apache.org> wrote:
>> >>> >> >> +   - A question for PMC: Should we start a demo server on Apache, so
>> >>> >> > people
>> >>> >> >> +     can benefit from communication?
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > The best approach is probably to bring this idea up with the
>> >>> >> > infrastructure team. I'm not sure if many projects or other groups
>> >>> >> > within Apache would be interested in such a service (real-time
>> >>> >> > communication can be a bit troublesome from a community perspective),
>> >>> >> > but it doesn't hurt to ask.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >> + Problems:
>> >>> >> >> +   * currently the legal status of our plugins is not 100% clear if we
>> >>> >> > are able to maintain and publish them under ASL, see
>> >>> >> > http://mail-archives.apache.org/mod_mbox/incubator-openmeetings-dev/201202.mbox/%3CCACeMiA-HLOFjCj%3DHopsHz-FP884JyQ5mwHnGPVSrD5TVC_D%2BTw%40mail.gmail.com%3Ewe
>> >>> >> > need to discuss that further and get an official statement.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > You can contact also legal-discuss@apache.org if you need more help on this.
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > BR,
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > Jukka Zitting
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> >>> >> > To unsubscribe, e-mail: general-unsubscribe@incubator.apache.org
>> >>> >> > For additional commands, e-mail: general-help@incubator.apache.org
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> >
>> >>> >> > --
>> >>> >> > Sebastian Wagner
>> >>> >> > http://www.openmeetings.de
>> >>> >> > http://incubator.apache.org/openmeetings/
>> >>> >> > http://www.webbase-design.de
>> >>> >> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
>> >>> >> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
>> >>> >>
>> >>> >
>> >>> > --
>> >>> >
>> >>> > Cheers,
>> >>> > Tony
>> >>> >
>> >>> >
>> >>> > ---------------------------------------
>> >>> > Tony Stevenson
>> >>> >
>> >>> > tony@pc-tony.com  //  pctony@apache.org
>> >>> > tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
>> >>> >
>> >>> > http://blog.pc-tony.com
>> >>> >
>> >>> > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>> >>> > --------------------------------------"
>> >>> >
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >>
>> >> Cheers,
>> >> Tony
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> ---------------------------------------
>> >> Tony Stevenson
>> >>
>> >> tony@pc-tony.com  //  pctony@apache.org
>> >> tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
>> >>
>> >> http://blog.pc-tony.com
>> >>
>> >> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>> >> --------------------------------------"
>> >>
>>
>
> --
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
>
> ---------------------------------------
> Tony Stevenson
>
> tony@pc-tony.com  //  pctony@apache.org
> tony@caret.cam.ac.uk
>
> http://blog.pc-tony.com
>
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> --------------------------------------"
>

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>.
On 24/09/13 11:31, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
> We can try to keep the sign up open for everybody.
> However the problem with that is the pure amount of data those users will
> create.
>
> However there might be other reasons why LDAP is not suited, for instance
> that we don't want that anybody enters his Apache Password into our
> application.
>
> We can discuss this when there is actually a server.
>

Give me a confirmed spec and I will see what I can do.


-- 



Cheers,
Tony

----------------------------------
Tony Stevenson

tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org

http://www.pc-tony.com
GPG - 1024D/51047D66
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Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>.
On 24/09/13 11:31, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
> We can try to keep the sign up open for everybody.
> However the problem with that is the pure amount of data those users will
> create.
>
> However there might be other reasons why LDAP is not suited, for instance
> that we don't want that anybody enters his Apache Password into our
> application.
>
> We can discuss this when there is actually a server.
>

Give me a confirmed spec and I will see what I can do.


-- 



Cheers,
Tony

----------------------------------
Tony Stevenson

tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org

http://www.pc-tony.com
GPG - 1024D/51047D66
----------------------------------

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
We can try to keep the sign up open for everybody.
However the problem with that is the pure amount of data those users will
create.

However there might be other reasons why LDAP is not suited, for instance
that we don't want that anybody enters his Apache Password into our
application.

We can discuss this when there is actually a server.

Sebastian


2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>

> Hello Sebastian,
>
> Why do we need this limitation: "Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login"?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Tony,
> >
> > this sounds all very reasonable.
> >
> > The bottleneck in our calculations are often bandwidth requirements.
> > Memory/disk usage does pretty much scale linear with number of users, but
> > bandwidth does more like exponential with the number of concurrent
> > sessions.
> >
> > However I would not be too concerned about the bandwidth, this server is
> > basically for functional verification, not for load tests.
> > On an average daily peak there might be maybe 10-20, on a quartly year
> peak
> > there might be up to 50 people online at the same time.
> >
> > One of the goals would be for instance to run automated Selenium tests
> > against the server and have a daily builder scripts that installes
> nightly
> > snapshots of the application.
> >
> > So this should be sufficient for our needs.
> >
> > My suggestion would be that we use the LDAP connector of OpenMeetings to
> > integration with the Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login. This is
> > something we can set up once we have the server, however we might need
> some
> > pointers from Infra to get the right urls/configs in place.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/9/24 Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>
> >
> > > Ultimately we will need a spec for the VM yes.  However it is infra who
> > > will approve the spec in the first instance.  The only real
> restrictions
> > > are:
> > >
> > > 1 - available resources on the physical host
> > > 2 - subject to fair use of the resources
> > > 3 - we oblige any local restrictions (providers etc)
> > >
> > > So in my head I woudl say something like :
> > >
> > > 2-4 vcpus
> > > 8 GB RAM max (needs some level of justification)
> > > 100GB disk
> > > and reasonable use of bandwidth
> > >
> > > I know these might be inappropriate - but these are nothing more than
> > > starting points for the conversation to start.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 24/09/13 08:49, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> I think they are waiting for a spec.
> > >> However I am still a bit confused who needs to approve that spec?
> > >> Do we need the ASF board to approve that spec?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Sebastian
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >>  Dear Tony,
> > >>>
> > >>> Are the any updates on this topic?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased,
> delivered,
> > >>>> racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc,
> > >>>> Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1
> month
> > >>>> turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.
> > >>>>  But
> > >>>> also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Artyom,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tony said,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> QoSed
> > >>>
> > >>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
> available
> > >>>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> provider?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>>> http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>>> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> > >>>>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
> > >>>>>> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth
> > is
> > >>>>>> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
> > >>>>>> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may
> > add
> > >>>>>> a warning message at the welcome screen.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers
> are
> > >>>>>> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner
> > bills
> > >>>>>> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server
> located
> > >>>>>> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>>>> http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>>>> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <
> pctony@apache.org
> > >
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> change over
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  time, that's why I have asked once again.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted
> > around.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> My
> > >>>
> > >>>>  intention was to have more
> > >>>>>>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
> > >>>>>>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good
> faith
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> commit
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  too. Sorry.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> provider
> > >>>
> > >>>>  has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> QoSed
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> available
> > >>>
> > >>>>  to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to
> > 'make
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> it
> > >>>
> > >>>>  so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> wouldnt
> > >>>
> > >>>>  be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> would
> > >>>
> > >>>>  be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this
> > be
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> an
> > >>>
> > >>>>  issue for you?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> honest.
> > >>>
> > >>>>  While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> you
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your
> bandwidth
> > >>>>>>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such
> it
> > >>>>>>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have
> to
> > >>>>>>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances
> (i.e.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> svn
> > >>>
> > >>>>  and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> want
> > >>>
> > >>>>  to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> careful
> > >>>
> > >>>>  not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> need
> > >>>
> > >>>>  to be careful.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends,
> > while
> > >>>>>>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> might
> > >>>
> > >>>>  get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> these
> > >>>
> > >>>> as
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> such
> > >>>
> > >>>> a
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it
> will
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> work
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea
> of
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> VMs
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a
> little
> > >>>>>>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>   Please
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 20Mb/s
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and
> you
> > >>>>>>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> carefully
> > >>>
> > >>>>  and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> you.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> snowed
> > >>>
> > >>>>  under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> say
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>>>> Tony
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>>> Tony
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>> Tony
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>>
> > >>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> WBR
> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > ------------------------------**----
> > > Tony Stevenson
> > >
> > > tony@pc-tony.com
> > > pctony@apache.org
> > >
> > > http://www.pc-tony.com
> > > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > > ------------------------------**----
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
We can try to keep the sign up open for everybody.
However the problem with that is the pure amount of data those users will
create.

However there might be other reasons why LDAP is not suited, for instance
that we don't want that anybody enters his Apache Password into our
application.

We can discuss this when there is actually a server.

Sebastian


2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>

> Hello Sebastian,
>
> Why do we need this limitation: "Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login"?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Tony,
> >
> > this sounds all very reasonable.
> >
> > The bottleneck in our calculations are often bandwidth requirements.
> > Memory/disk usage does pretty much scale linear with number of users, but
> > bandwidth does more like exponential with the number of concurrent
> > sessions.
> >
> > However I would not be too concerned about the bandwidth, this server is
> > basically for functional verification, not for load tests.
> > On an average daily peak there might be maybe 10-20, on a quartly year
> peak
> > there might be up to 50 people online at the same time.
> >
> > One of the goals would be for instance to run automated Selenium tests
> > against the server and have a daily builder scripts that installes
> nightly
> > snapshots of the application.
> >
> > So this should be sufficient for our needs.
> >
> > My suggestion would be that we use the LDAP connector of OpenMeetings to
> > integration with the Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login. This is
> > something we can set up once we have the server, however we might need
> some
> > pointers from Infra to get the right urls/configs in place.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/9/24 Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>
> >
> > > Ultimately we will need a spec for the VM yes.  However it is infra who
> > > will approve the spec in the first instance.  The only real
> restrictions
> > > are:
> > >
> > > 1 - available resources on the physical host
> > > 2 - subject to fair use of the resources
> > > 3 - we oblige any local restrictions (providers etc)
> > >
> > > So in my head I woudl say something like :
> > >
> > > 2-4 vcpus
> > > 8 GB RAM max (needs some level of justification)
> > > 100GB disk
> > > and reasonable use of bandwidth
> > >
> > > I know these might be inappropriate - but these are nothing more than
> > > starting points for the conversation to start.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 24/09/13 08:49, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> I think they are waiting for a spec.
> > >> However I am still a bit confused who needs to approve that spec?
> > >> Do we need the ASF board to approve that spec?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Sebastian
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >>  Dear Tony,
> > >>>
> > >>> Are the any updates on this topic?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased,
> delivered,
> > >>>> racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc,
> > >>>> Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1
> month
> > >>>> turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.
> > >>>>  But
> > >>>> also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Artyom,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tony said,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> QoSed
> > >>>
> > >>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
> available
> > >>>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> provider?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>>> http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>>> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> > >>>>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
> > >>>>>> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth
> > is
> > >>>>>> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
> > >>>>>> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may
> > add
> > >>>>>> a warning message at the welcome screen.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers
> are
> > >>>>>> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner
> > bills
> > >>>>>> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server
> located
> > >>>>>> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>>>> http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>>>> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <
> pctony@apache.org
> > >
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> change over
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  time, that's why I have asked once again.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted
> > around.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> My
> > >>>
> > >>>>  intention was to have more
> > >>>>>>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
> > >>>>>>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good
> faith
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> commit
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  too. Sorry.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> provider
> > >>>
> > >>>>  has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> QoSed
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> available
> > >>>
> > >>>>  to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to
> > 'make
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> it
> > >>>
> > >>>>  so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> wouldnt
> > >>>
> > >>>>  be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> would
> > >>>
> > >>>>  be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this
> > be
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> an
> > >>>
> > >>>>  issue for you?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> honest.
> > >>>
> > >>>>  While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> you
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your
> bandwidth
> > >>>>>>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such
> it
> > >>>>>>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have
> to
> > >>>>>>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances
> (i.e.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> svn
> > >>>
> > >>>>  and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> want
> > >>>
> > >>>>  to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> careful
> > >>>
> > >>>>  not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> need
> > >>>
> > >>>>  to be careful.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends,
> > while
> > >>>>>>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> might
> > >>>
> > >>>>  get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> these
> > >>>
> > >>>> as
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> such
> > >>>
> > >>>> a
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it
> will
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> work
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea
> of
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> VMs
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a
> little
> > >>>>>>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>   Please
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 20Mb/s
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and
> you
> > >>>>>>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> carefully
> > >>>
> > >>>>  and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> you.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> snowed
> > >>>
> > >>>>  under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> say
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>>>> Tony
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>>> Tony
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>> Tony
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>>
> > >>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> WBR
> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > ------------------------------**----
> > > Tony Stevenson
> > >
> > > tony@pc-tony.com
> > > pctony@apache.org
> > >
> > > http://www.pc-tony.com
> > > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > > ------------------------------**----
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
We can try to keep the sign up open for everybody.
However the problem with that is the pure amount of data those users will
create.

However there might be other reasons why LDAP is not suited, for instance
that we don't want that anybody enters his Apache Password into our
application.

We can discuss this when there is actually a server.

Sebastian


2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>

> Hello Sebastian,
>
> Why do we need this limitation: "Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login"?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Tony,
> >
> > this sounds all very reasonable.
> >
> > The bottleneck in our calculations are often bandwidth requirements.
> > Memory/disk usage does pretty much scale linear with number of users, but
> > bandwidth does more like exponential with the number of concurrent
> > sessions.
> >
> > However I would not be too concerned about the bandwidth, this server is
> > basically for functional verification, not for load tests.
> > On an average daily peak there might be maybe 10-20, on a quartly year
> peak
> > there might be up to 50 people online at the same time.
> >
> > One of the goals would be for instance to run automated Selenium tests
> > against the server and have a daily builder scripts that installes
> nightly
> > snapshots of the application.
> >
> > So this should be sufficient for our needs.
> >
> > My suggestion would be that we use the LDAP connector of OpenMeetings to
> > integration with the Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login. This is
> > something we can set up once we have the server, however we might need
> some
> > pointers from Infra to get the right urls/configs in place.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/9/24 Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>
> >
> > > Ultimately we will need a spec for the VM yes.  However it is infra who
> > > will approve the spec in the first instance.  The only real
> restrictions
> > > are:
> > >
> > > 1 - available resources on the physical host
> > > 2 - subject to fair use of the resources
> > > 3 - we oblige any local restrictions (providers etc)
> > >
> > > So in my head I woudl say something like :
> > >
> > > 2-4 vcpus
> > > 8 GB RAM max (needs some level of justification)
> > > 100GB disk
> > > and reasonable use of bandwidth
> > >
> > > I know these might be inappropriate - but these are nothing more than
> > > starting points for the conversation to start.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 24/09/13 08:49, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> I think they are waiting for a spec.
> > >> However I am still a bit confused who needs to approve that spec?
> > >> Do we need the ASF board to approve that spec?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Sebastian
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >>  Dear Tony,
> > >>>
> > >>> Are the any updates on this topic?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased,
> delivered,
> > >>>> racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc,
> > >>>> Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1
> month
> > >>>> turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.
> > >>>>  But
> > >>>> also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Artyom,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tony said,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> QoSed
> > >>>
> > >>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
> available
> > >>>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> provider?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>>> http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>>> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> > >>>>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
> > >>>>>> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth
> > is
> > >>>>>> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
> > >>>>>> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may
> > add
> > >>>>>> a warning message at the welcome screen.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers
> are
> > >>>>>> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner
> > bills
> > >>>>>> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server
> located
> > >>>>>> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>>>> http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>>>> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <
> pctony@apache.org
> > >
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> change over
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  time, that's why I have asked once again.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted
> > around.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> My
> > >>>
> > >>>>  intention was to have more
> > >>>>>>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
> > >>>>>>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good
> faith
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> commit
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  too. Sorry.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> provider
> > >>>
> > >>>>  has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> QoSed
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> available
> > >>>
> > >>>>  to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to
> > 'make
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> it
> > >>>
> > >>>>  so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> wouldnt
> > >>>
> > >>>>  be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> would
> > >>>
> > >>>>  be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this
> > be
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> an
> > >>>
> > >>>>  issue for you?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> honest.
> > >>>
> > >>>>  While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> you
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your
> bandwidth
> > >>>>>>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such
> it
> > >>>>>>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have
> to
> > >>>>>>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances
> (i.e.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> svn
> > >>>
> > >>>>  and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> want
> > >>>
> > >>>>  to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> careful
> > >>>
> > >>>>  not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> need
> > >>>
> > >>>>  to be careful.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends,
> > while
> > >>>>>>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> might
> > >>>
> > >>>>  get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> these
> > >>>
> > >>>> as
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> such
> > >>>
> > >>>> a
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it
> will
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> work
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea
> of
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> VMs
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a
> little
> > >>>>>>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>   Please
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 20Mb/s
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and
> you
> > >>>>>>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> carefully
> > >>>
> > >>>>  and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> you.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> snowed
> > >>>
> > >>>>  under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> say
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>>>> Tony
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>>> Tony
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>> Tony
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>>
> > >>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> WBR
> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > ------------------------------**----
> > > Tony Stevenson
> > >
> > > tony@pc-tony.com
> > > pctony@apache.org
> > >
> > > http://www.pc-tony.com
> > > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > > ------------------------------**----
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
We can try to keep the sign up open for everybody.
However the problem with that is the pure amount of data those users will
create.

However there might be other reasons why LDAP is not suited, for instance
that we don't want that anybody enters his Apache Password into our
application.

We can discuss this when there is actually a server.

Sebastian


2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>

> Hello Sebastian,
>
> Why do we need this limitation: "Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login"?
>
>
> On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
> seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hi Tony,
> >
> > this sounds all very reasonable.
> >
> > The bottleneck in our calculations are often bandwidth requirements.
> > Memory/disk usage does pretty much scale linear with number of users, but
> > bandwidth does more like exponential with the number of concurrent
> > sessions.
> >
> > However I would not be too concerned about the bandwidth, this server is
> > basically for functional verification, not for load tests.
> > On an average daily peak there might be maybe 10-20, on a quartly year
> peak
> > there might be up to 50 people online at the same time.
> >
> > One of the goals would be for instance to run automated Selenium tests
> > against the server and have a daily builder scripts that installes
> nightly
> > snapshots of the application.
> >
> > So this should be sufficient for our needs.
> >
> > My suggestion would be that we use the LDAP connector of OpenMeetings to
> > integration with the Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login. This is
> > something we can set up once we have the server, however we might need
> some
> > pointers from Infra to get the right urls/configs in place.
> >
> > Thanks!
> > Sebastian
> >
> >
> >
> > 2013/9/24 Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>
> >
> > > Ultimately we will need a spec for the VM yes.  However it is infra who
> > > will approve the spec in the first instance.  The only real
> restrictions
> > > are:
> > >
> > > 1 - available resources on the physical host
> > > 2 - subject to fair use of the resources
> > > 3 - we oblige any local restrictions (providers etc)
> > >
> > > So in my head I woudl say something like :
> > >
> > > 2-4 vcpus
> > > 8 GB RAM max (needs some level of justification)
> > > 100GB disk
> > > and reasonable use of bandwidth
> > >
> > > I know these might be inappropriate - but these are nothing more than
> > > starting points for the conversation to start.
> > >
> > > Thoughts?
> > >
> > >
> > > On 24/09/13 08:49, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
> > >
> > >> I think they are waiting for a spec.
> > >> However I am still a bit confused who needs to approve that spec?
> > >> Do we need the ASF board to approve that spec?
> > >>
> > >> Thanks
> > >> Sebastian
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> 2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> > >>
> > >>  Dear Tony,
> > >>>
> > >>> Are the any updates on this topic?
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>
> > wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>  We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased,
> delivered,
> > >>>> racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc,
> > >>>> Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1
> month
> > >>>> turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.
> > >>>>  But
> > >>>> also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> > >>>>
> > >>> wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>  Artyom,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tony said,
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> QoSed
> > >>>
> > >>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
> available
> > >>>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo
> > >>>>>
> > >>>> provider?
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> Thanks!
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> --
> > >>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>>> http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>>> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> > >>>>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
> > >>>>>> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth
> > is
> > >>>>>> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
> > >>>>>> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may
> > add
> > >>>>>> a warning message at the welcome screen.
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers
> are
> > >>>>>> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner
> > bills
> > >>>>>> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server
> located
> > >>>>>> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
> > >>>>>> --
> > >>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >>>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >>>>>> http://dataved.ru/
> > >>>>>> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <
> pctony@apache.org
> > >
> > >>>>>>
> > >>>>> wrote:
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> change over
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  time, that's why I have asked once again.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted
> > around.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> My
> > >>>
> > >>>>  intention was to have more
> > >>>>>>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
> > >>>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
> > >>>>>>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good
> faith
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> commit
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  too. Sorry.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> provider
> > >>>
> > >>>>  has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> QoSed
> > >>>>
> > >>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> available
> > >>>
> > >>>>  to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to
> > 'make
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> it
> > >>>
> > >>>>  so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> wouldnt
> > >>>
> > >>>>  be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> would
> > >>>
> > >>>>  be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this
> > be
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>> an
> > >>>
> > >>>>  issue for you?
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> honest.
> > >>>
> > >>>>  While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> you
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your
> bandwidth
> > >>>>>>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such
> it
> > >>>>>>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have
> to
> > >>>>>>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances
> (i.e.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> svn
> > >>>
> > >>>>  and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> want
> > >>>
> > >>>>  to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> careful
> > >>>
> > >>>>  not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> need
> > >>>
> > >>>>  to be careful.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends,
> > while
> > >>>>>>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> might
> > >>>
> > >>>>  get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> these
> > >>>
> > >>>> as
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> such
> > >>>
> > >>>> a
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it
> will
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> work
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea
> of
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> VMs
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a
> little
> > >>>>>>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>   Please
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> 20Mb/s
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and
> you
> > >>>>>>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> carefully
> > >>>
> > >>>>  and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> you.
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> snowed
> > >>>
> > >>>>  under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> say
> > >>>>
> > >>>>>  "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>>>> Tony
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> --
> > >>>>>>> Cheers,
> > >>>>>>> Tony
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>> Tony
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>>
> > >>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>>> ------------------------------**----
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> WBR
> > >>> Maxim aka solomax
> > >>>
> > >>>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > Cheers,
> > > Tony
> > >
> > > ------------------------------**----
> > > Tony Stevenson
> > >
> > > tony@pc-tony.com
> > > pctony@apache.org
> > >
> > > http://www.pc-tony.com
> > > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > > ------------------------------**----
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Sebastian Wagner
> > https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> > http://www.webbase-design.de
> > http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> > seba.wagner@gmail.com
> >
>
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Hello Sebastian,

Why do we need this limitation: "Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login"?


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>
> this sounds all very reasonable.
>
> The bottleneck in our calculations are often bandwidth requirements.
> Memory/disk usage does pretty much scale linear with number of users, but
> bandwidth does more like exponential with the number of concurrent
> sessions.
>
> However I would not be too concerned about the bandwidth, this server is
> basically for functional verification, not for load tests.
> On an average daily peak there might be maybe 10-20, on a quartly year peak
> there might be up to 50 people online at the same time.
>
> One of the goals would be for instance to run automated Selenium tests
> against the server and have a daily builder scripts that installes nightly
> snapshots of the application.
>
> So this should be sufficient for our needs.
>
> My suggestion would be that we use the LDAP connector of OpenMeetings to
> integration with the Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login. This is
> something we can set up once we have the server, however we might need some
> pointers from Infra to get the right urls/configs in place.
>
> Thanks!
> Sebastian
>
>
>
> 2013/9/24 Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>
>
> > Ultimately we will need a spec for the VM yes.  However it is infra who
> > will approve the spec in the first instance.  The only real restrictions
> > are:
> >
> > 1 - available resources on the physical host
> > 2 - subject to fair use of the resources
> > 3 - we oblige any local restrictions (providers etc)
> >
> > So in my head I woudl say something like :
> >
> > 2-4 vcpus
> > 8 GB RAM max (needs some level of justification)
> > 100GB disk
> > and reasonable use of bandwidth
> >
> > I know these might be inappropriate - but these are nothing more than
> > starting points for the conversation to start.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> >
> > On 24/09/13 08:49, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> I think they are waiting for a spec.
> >> However I am still a bit confused who needs to approve that spec?
> >> Do we need the ASF board to approve that spec?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>  Dear Tony,
> >>>
> >>> Are the any updates on this topic?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased, delivered,
> >>>> racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc,
> >>>> Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1 month
> >>>> turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.
> >>>>  But
> >>>> also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  Artyom,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tony said,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> >>>>>
> >>>> QoSed
> >>>
> >>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
> >>>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo
> >>>>>
> >>>> provider?
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>>>> http://dataved.ru/
> >>>>> +7 916 562 8095
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> >>>>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
> >>>>>> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth
> is
> >>>>>> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
> >>>>>> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may
> add
> >>>>>> a warning message at the welcome screen.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
> >>>>>> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner
> bills
> >>>>>> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
> >>>>>> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>>>>> http://dataved.ru/
> >>>>>> +7 916 562 8095
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pctony@apache.org
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> change over
> >>>>
> >>>>>  time, that's why I have asked once again.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted
> around.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My
> >>>
> >>>>  intention was to have more
> >>>>>>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
> >>>>>>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> commit
> >>>>
> >>>>>  too. Sorry.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> provider
> >>>
> >>>>  has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> QoSed
> >>>>
> >>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> available
> >>>
> >>>>  to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to
> 'make
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> it
> >>>
> >>>>  so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> wouldnt
> >>>
> >>>>  be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> would
> >>>
> >>>>  be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this
> be
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> an
> >>>
> >>>>  issue for you?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> honest.
> >>>
> >>>>  While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> you
> >>>>
> >>>>>  need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
> >>>>>>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
> >>>>>>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
> >>>>>>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> svn
> >>>
> >>>>  and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> want
> >>>
> >>>>  to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> careful
> >>>
> >>>>  not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> need
> >>>
> >>>>  to be careful.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends,
> while
> >>>>>>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> might
> >>>
> >>>>  get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> these
> >>>
> >>>> as
> >>>>
> >>>>>  a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> such
> >>>
> >>>> a
> >>>>
> >>>>>  service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> work
> >>>>
> >>>>>  for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> VMs
> >>>>
> >>>>>  with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
> >>>>>>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   Please
> >>>>
> >>>>>  note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 20Mb/s
> >>>>
> >>>>>  or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
> >>>>>>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> carefully
> >>>
> >>>>  and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> you.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> snowed
> >>>
> >>>>  under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> say
> >>>>
> >>>>>  "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>> Tony
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> >>>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> >>>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>> Tony
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> >>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> >>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Tony
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------**----
> >>>> Tony Stevenson
> >>>>
> >>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> >>>> pctony@apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> >>>>
> >>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >>>> ------------------------------**----
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> WBR
> >>> Maxim aka solomax
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tony
> >
> > ------------------------------**----
> > Tony Stevenson
> >
> > tony@pc-tony.com
> > pctony@apache.org
> >
> > http://www.pc-tony.com
> > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > ------------------------------**----
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>



-- 
WBR
Maxim aka solomax

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Hello Sebastian,

Why do we need this limitation: "Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login"?


On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:46 PM, seba.wagner@gmail.com <
seba.wagner@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Tony,
>
> this sounds all very reasonable.
>
> The bottleneck in our calculations are often bandwidth requirements.
> Memory/disk usage does pretty much scale linear with number of users, but
> bandwidth does more like exponential with the number of concurrent
> sessions.
>
> However I would not be too concerned about the bandwidth, this server is
> basically for functional verification, not for load tests.
> On an average daily peak there might be maybe 10-20, on a quartly year peak
> there might be up to 50 people online at the same time.
>
> One of the goals would be for instance to run automated Selenium tests
> against the server and have a daily builder scripts that installes nightly
> snapshots of the application.
>
> So this should be sufficient for our needs.
>
> My suggestion would be that we use the LDAP connector of OpenMeetings to
> integration with the Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login. This is
> something we can set up once we have the server, however we might need some
> pointers from Infra to get the right urls/configs in place.
>
> Thanks!
> Sebastian
>
>
>
> 2013/9/24 Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>
>
> > Ultimately we will need a spec for the VM yes.  However it is infra who
> > will approve the spec in the first instance.  The only real restrictions
> > are:
> >
> > 1 - available resources on the physical host
> > 2 - subject to fair use of the resources
> > 3 - we oblige any local restrictions (providers etc)
> >
> > So in my head I woudl say something like :
> >
> > 2-4 vcpus
> > 8 GB RAM max (needs some level of justification)
> > 100GB disk
> > and reasonable use of bandwidth
> >
> > I know these might be inappropriate - but these are nothing more than
> > starting points for the conversation to start.
> >
> > Thoughts?
> >
> >
> > On 24/09/13 08:49, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
> >
> >> I think they are waiting for a spec.
> >> However I am still a bit confused who needs to approve that spec?
> >> Do we need the ASF board to approve that spec?
> >>
> >> Thanks
> >> Sebastian
> >>
> >>
> >> 2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
> >>
> >>  Dear Tony,
> >>>
> >>> Are the any updates on this topic?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>
> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>  We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased, delivered,
> >>>> racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc,
> >>>> Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1 month
> >>>> turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.
> >>>>
> >>>> Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.
> >>>>  But
> >>>> also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> >>>>
> >>> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>>  Artyom,
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tony said,
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> >>>>>
> >>>> QoSed
> >>>
> >>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
> >>>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo
> >>>>>
> >>>> provider?
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Thanks!
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>>>> http://dataved.ru/
> >>>>> +7 916 562 8095
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> >>>>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
> >>>>>> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth
> is
> >>>>>> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
> >>>>>> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may
> add
> >>>>>> a warning message at the welcome screen.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
> >>>>>> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner
> bills
> >>>>>> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
> >>>>>> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
> >>>>>> --
> >>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >>>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >>>>>> http://dataved.ru/
> >>>>>> +7 916 562 8095
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pctony@apache.org
> >
> >>>>>>
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> change over
> >>>>
> >>>>>  time, that's why I have asked once again.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted
> around.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> My
> >>>
> >>>>  intention was to have more
> >>>>>>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
> >>>>>>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> commit
> >>>>
> >>>>>  too. Sorry.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> provider
> >>>
> >>>>  has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> QoSed
> >>>>
> >>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> available
> >>>
> >>>>  to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to
> 'make
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> it
> >>>
> >>>>  so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> wouldnt
> >>>
> >>>>  be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> would
> >>>
> >>>>  be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this
> be
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>> an
> >>>
> >>>>  issue for you?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> honest.
> >>>
> >>>>  While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> you
> >>>>
> >>>>>  need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
> >>>>>>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
> >>>>>>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
> >>>>>>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> svn
> >>>
> >>>>  and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> want
> >>>
> >>>>  to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> careful
> >>>
> >>>>  not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> need
> >>>
> >>>>  to be careful.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends,
> while
> >>>>>>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> might
> >>>
> >>>>  get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> these
> >>>
> >>>> as
> >>>>
> >>>>>  a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> such
> >>>
> >>>> a
> >>>>
> >>>>>  service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> work
> >>>>
> >>>>>  for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> VMs
> >>>>
> >>>>>  with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
> >>>>>>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>   Please
> >>>>
> >>>>>  note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> 20Mb/s
> >>>>
> >>>>>  or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
> >>>>>>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> carefully
> >>>
> >>>>  and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> you.
> >>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> snowed
> >>>
> >>>>  under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> say
> >>>>
> >>>>>  "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>>> Tony
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> >>>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> >>>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> --
> >>>>>>> Cheers,
> >>>>>>> Tony
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> >>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> >>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Tony
> >>>>
> >>>> ------------------------------**----
> >>>> Tony Stevenson
> >>>>
> >>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> >>>> pctony@apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> >>>>
> >>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >>>> ------------------------------**----
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> WBR
> >>> Maxim aka solomax
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> > --
> >
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tony
> >
> > ------------------------------**----
> > Tony Stevenson
> >
> > tony@pc-tony.com
> > pctony@apache.org
> >
> > http://www.pc-tony.com
> > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > ------------------------------**----
> >
>
>
>
> --
> Sebastian Wagner
> https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
> http://www.webbase-design.de
> http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
> seba.wagner@gmail.com
>



-- 
WBR
Maxim aka solomax

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
Hi Tony,

this sounds all very reasonable.

The bottleneck in our calculations are often bandwidth requirements.
Memory/disk usage does pretty much scale linear with number of users, but
bandwidth does more like exponential with the number of concurrent sessions.

However I would not be too concerned about the bandwidth, this server is
basically for functional verification, not for load tests.
On an average daily peak there might be maybe 10-20, on a quartly year peak
there might be up to 50 people online at the same time.

One of the goals would be for instance to run automated Selenium tests
against the server and have a daily builder scripts that installes nightly
snapshots of the application.

So this should be sufficient for our needs.

My suggestion would be that we use the LDAP connector of OpenMeetings to
integration with the Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login. This is
something we can set up once we have the server, however we might need some
pointers from Infra to get the right urls/configs in place.

Thanks!
Sebastian



2013/9/24 Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>

> Ultimately we will need a spec for the VM yes.  However it is infra who
> will approve the spec in the first instance.  The only real restrictions
> are:
>
> 1 - available resources on the physical host
> 2 - subject to fair use of the resources
> 3 - we oblige any local restrictions (providers etc)
>
> So in my head I woudl say something like :
>
> 2-4 vcpus
> 8 GB RAM max (needs some level of justification)
> 100GB disk
> and reasonable use of bandwidth
>
> I know these might be inappropriate - but these are nothing more than
> starting points for the conversation to start.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> On 24/09/13 08:49, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I think they are waiting for a spec.
>> However I am still a bit confused who needs to approve that spec?
>> Do we need the ASF board to approve that spec?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>
>>  Dear Tony,
>>>
>>> Are the any updates on this topic?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased, delivered,
>>>> racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc,
>>>> Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1 month
>>>> turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.
>>>>
>>>> Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.
>>>>  But
>>>> also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Artyom,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony said,
>>>>>
>>>>>> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
>>>>>>
>>>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
>>>>>
>>>> QoSed
>>>
>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
>>>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo
>>>>>
>>>> provider?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
>>>>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
>>>>>> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth is
>>>>>> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
>>>>>> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may add
>>>>>> a warning message at the welcome screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
>>>>>> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner bills
>>>>>> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
>>>>>> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>>>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> change over
>>>>
>>>>>  time, that's why I have asked once again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My
>>>
>>>>  intention was to have more
>>>>>>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
>>>>>>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> commit
>>>>
>>>>>  too. Sorry.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> provider
>>>
>>>>  has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> QoSed
>>>>
>>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> available
>>>
>>>>  to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>
>>>>  so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wouldnt
>>>
>>>>  be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> would
>>>
>>>>  be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> an
>>>
>>>>  issue for you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> honest.
>>>
>>>>  While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>>  need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
>>>>>>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
>>>>>>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
>>>>>>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> svn
>>>
>>>>  and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> want
>>>
>>>>  to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> careful
>>>
>>>>  not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> need
>>>
>>>>  to be careful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
>>>>>>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> might
>>>
>>>>  get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> these
>>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>>  a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> such
>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>>  service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> work
>>>>
>>>>>  for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VMs
>>>>
>>>>>  with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
>>>>>>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Please
>>>>
>>>>>  note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 20Mb/s
>>>>
>>>>>  or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
>>>>>>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> carefully
>>>
>>>>  and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> snowed
>>>
>>>>  under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> say
>>>>
>>>>>  "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
>>>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
>>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------**----
>>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>>
>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>>
>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>>> ------------------------------**----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> ------------------------------**----
> Tony Stevenson
>
> tony@pc-tony.com
> pctony@apache.org
>
> http://www.pc-tony.com
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> ------------------------------**----
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
Hi Tony,

this sounds all very reasonable.

The bottleneck in our calculations are often bandwidth requirements.
Memory/disk usage does pretty much scale linear with number of users, but
bandwidth does more like exponential with the number of concurrent sessions.

However I would not be too concerned about the bandwidth, this server is
basically for functional verification, not for load tests.
On an average daily peak there might be maybe 10-20, on a quartly year peak
there might be up to 50 people online at the same time.

One of the goals would be for instance to run automated Selenium tests
against the server and have a daily builder scripts that installes nightly
snapshots of the application.

So this should be sufficient for our needs.

My suggestion would be that we use the LDAP connector of OpenMeetings to
integration with the Apache Ldap, so that only PMC can login. This is
something we can set up once we have the server, however we might need some
pointers from Infra to get the right urls/configs in place.

Thanks!
Sebastian



2013/9/24 Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>

> Ultimately we will need a spec for the VM yes.  However it is infra who
> will approve the spec in the first instance.  The only real restrictions
> are:
>
> 1 - available resources on the physical host
> 2 - subject to fair use of the resources
> 3 - we oblige any local restrictions (providers etc)
>
> So in my head I woudl say something like :
>
> 2-4 vcpus
> 8 GB RAM max (needs some level of justification)
> 100GB disk
> and reasonable use of bandwidth
>
> I know these might be inappropriate - but these are nothing more than
> starting points for the conversation to start.
>
> Thoughts?
>
>
> On 24/09/13 08:49, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> I think they are waiting for a spec.
>> However I am still a bit confused who needs to approve that spec?
>> Do we need the ASF board to approve that spec?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Sebastian
>>
>>
>> 2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>>
>>  Dear Tony,
>>>
>>> Are the any updates on this topic?
>>>
>>>
>>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>  We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased, delivered,
>>>> racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc,
>>>> Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1 month
>>>> turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.
>>>>
>>>> Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.
>>>>  But
>>>> also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>>>>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>  Artyom,
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony said,
>>>>>
>>>>>> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
>>>>>>
>>>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
>>>>>
>>>> QoSed
>>>
>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
>>>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
>>>>>
>>>>> Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo
>>>>>
>>>> provider?
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Thanks!
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
>>>>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
>>>>>> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth is
>>>>>> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
>>>>>> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may add
>>>>>> a warning message at the welcome screen.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
>>>>>> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner bills
>>>>>> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
>>>>>> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>>>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>
>>>>>>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> change over
>>>>
>>>>>  time, that's why I have asked once again.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> My
>>>
>>>>  intention was to have more
>>>>>>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
>>>>>>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> commit
>>>>
>>>>>  too. Sorry.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> provider
>>>
>>>>  has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> QoSed
>>>>
>>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> available
>>>
>>>>  to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> it
>>>
>>>>  so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> wouldnt
>>>
>>>>  be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> would
>>>
>>>>  be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be
>>>>>>>
>>>>>> an
>>>
>>>>  issue for you?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> honest.
>>>
>>>>  While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you
>>>>
>>>>>  need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
>>>>>>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
>>>>>>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
>>>>>>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> svn
>>>
>>>>  and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> want
>>>
>>>>  to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> careful
>>>
>>>>  not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> need
>>>
>>>>  to be careful.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
>>>>>>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> might
>>>
>>>>  get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> these
>>>
>>>> as
>>>>
>>>>>  a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> such
>>>
>>>> a
>>>>
>>>>>  service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> work
>>>>
>>>>>  for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> VMs
>>>>
>>>>>  with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
>>>>>>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>   Please
>>>>
>>>>>  note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> 20Mb/s
>>>>
>>>>>  or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
>>>>>>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> carefully
>>>
>>>>  and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> you.
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> snowed
>>>
>>>>  under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> say
>>>>
>>>>>  "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
>>>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
>>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>>>>>> ------------------------------**----
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Tony
>>>>
>>>> ------------------------------**----
>>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>>
>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>>
>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>>
>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>>> ------------------------------**----
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> WBR
>>> Maxim aka solomax
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>>
>
> --
>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> ------------------------------**----
> Tony Stevenson
>
> tony@pc-tony.com
> pctony@apache.org
>
> http://www.pc-tony.com
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> ------------------------------**----
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>.
Ultimately we will need a spec for the VM yes.  However it is infra who 
will approve the spec in the first instance.  The only real restrictions 
are:

1 - available resources on the physical host
2 - subject to fair use of the resources
3 - we oblige any local restrictions (providers etc)

So in my head I woudl say something like :

2-4 vcpus
8 GB RAM max (needs some level of justification)
100GB disk
and reasonable use of bandwidth

I know these might be inappropriate - but these are nothing more than 
starting points for the conversation to start.

Thoughts?

On 24/09/13 08:49, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
> I think they are waiting for a spec.
> However I am still a bit confused who needs to approve that spec?
> Do we need the ASF board to approve that spec?
>
> Thanks
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>
>> Dear Tony,
>>
>> Are the any updates on this topic?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased, delivered,
>>> racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc,
>>> Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1 month
>>> turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.
>>>
>>> Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.  But
>>> also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Artyom,
>>>>
>>>> Tony said,
>>>>> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
>>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
>> QoSed
>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
>>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
>>>>
>>>> Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo
>>> provider?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
>>>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
>>>>> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth is
>>>>> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
>>>>> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may add
>>>>> a warning message at the welcome screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
>>>>> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner bills
>>>>> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
>>>>> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
>>>>> --
>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
>>>>>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes
>>> change over
>>>>>>>> time, that's why I have asked once again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around.
>> My
>>>>>>>> intention was to have more
>>>>>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
>>>>>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith
>>> commit
>>>>>>> too. Sorry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo
>> provider
>>>>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
>>> QoSed
>>>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
>> available
>>>>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make
>> it
>>>>>> so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we
>> wouldnt
>>>>>> be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it
>> would
>>>>>> be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be
>> an
>>>>>> issue for you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and
>> honest.
>>>>>>> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware
>>> you
>>>>>>> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
>>>>>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
>>>>>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
>>>>>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e.
>> svn
>>>>>>> and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont
>> want
>>>>>>> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be
>> careful
>>>>>>> not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we
>> need
>>>>>>> to be careful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
>>>>>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you
>> might
>>>>>>> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need
>> these
>>> as
>>>>>>> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use
>> such
>>> a
>>>>>>> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will
>>> work
>>>>>>> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of
>>> VMs
>>>>>>> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
>>>>>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.
>>>   Please
>>>>>>> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate
>>> 20Mb/s
>>>>>>> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
>>>>>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look
>> carefully
>>>>>>> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for
>>> you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda
>> snowed
>>>>>>> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to
>>> say
>>>>>>> "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>
>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>
>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>
>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>> ----------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>
>
>


-- 



Cheers,
Tony

----------------------------------
Tony Stevenson

tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org

http://www.pc-tony.com
GPG - 1024D/51047D66
----------------------------------

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>.
Ultimately we will need a spec for the VM yes.  However it is infra who 
will approve the spec in the first instance.  The only real restrictions 
are:

1 - available resources on the physical host
2 - subject to fair use of the resources
3 - we oblige any local restrictions (providers etc)

So in my head I woudl say something like :

2-4 vcpus
8 GB RAM max (needs some level of justification)
100GB disk
and reasonable use of bandwidth

I know these might be inappropriate - but these are nothing more than 
starting points for the conversation to start.

Thoughts?

On 24/09/13 08:49, seba.wagner@gmail.com wrote:
> I think they are waiting for a spec.
> However I am still a bit confused who needs to approve that spec?
> Do we need the ASF board to approve that spec?
>
> Thanks
> Sebastian
>
>
> 2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>
>
>> Dear Tony,
>>
>> Are the any updates on this topic?
>>
>>
>> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased, delivered,
>>> racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc,
>>> Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1 month
>>> turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.
>>>
>>> Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.  But
>>> also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Artyom,
>>>>
>>>> Tony said,
>>>>> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
>>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
>> QoSed
>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
>>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
>>>>
>>>> Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo
>>> provider?
>>>>
>>>> Thanks!
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
>>>> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
>>>>> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth is
>>>>> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
>>>>> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may add
>>>>> a warning message at the welcome screen.
>>>>>
>>>>> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
>>>>> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner bills
>>>>> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
>>>>> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
>>>>> --
>>>>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>>>>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>>>>> http://dataved.ru/
>>>>> +7 916 562 8095
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>
>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
>>>>>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
>>>>>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes
>>> change over
>>>>>>>> time, that's why I have asked once again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around.
>> My
>>>>>>>> intention was to have more
>>>>>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
>>>>>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith
>>> commit
>>>>>>> too. Sorry.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo
>> provider
>>>>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
>>> QoSed
>>>>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
>> available
>>>>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make
>> it
>>>>>> so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we
>> wouldnt
>>>>>> be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it
>> would
>>>>>> be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be
>> an
>>>>>> issue for you?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and
>> honest.
>>>>>>> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware
>>> you
>>>>>>> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
>>>>>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
>>>>>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
>>>>>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e.
>> svn
>>>>>>> and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont
>> want
>>>>>>> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be
>> careful
>>>>>>> not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we
>> need
>>>>>>> to be careful.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
>>>>>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you
>> might
>>>>>>> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need
>> these
>>> as
>>>>>>> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use
>> such
>>> a
>>>>>>> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will
>>> work
>>>>>>> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of
>>> VMs
>>>>>>> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
>>>>>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.
>>>   Please
>>>>>>> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate
>>> 20Mb/s
>>>>>>> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
>>>>>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look
>> carefully
>>>>>>> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for
>>> you.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda
>> snowed
>>>>>>> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to
>>> say
>>>>>>> "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --
>>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> --
>>>>>> Cheers,
>>>>>> Tony
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>>>>
>>>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>>>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>>>>
>>>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>
>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>
>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>
>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>> ----------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>>
>> --
>> WBR
>> Maxim aka solomax
>>
>
>
>


-- 



Cheers,
Tony

----------------------------------
Tony Stevenson

tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org

http://www.pc-tony.com
GPG - 1024D/51047D66
----------------------------------

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
I think they are waiting for a spec.
However I am still a bit confused who needs to approve that spec?
Do we need the ASF board to approve that spec?

Thanks
Sebastian


2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>

> Dear Tony,
>
> Are the any updates on this topic?
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
>
> > We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased, delivered,
> > racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc,
> > Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1 month
> > turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.
> >
> > Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.  But
> > also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Artyom,
> > >
> > > Tony said,
> > >> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> > > has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> QoSed
> > > so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
> > > to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> > >
> > > Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo
> > provider?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > http://dataved.ru/
> > > +7 916 562 8095
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> > > <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
> > >> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth is
> > >> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
> > >> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may add
> > >> a warning message at the welcome screen.
> > >>
> > >> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
> > >> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner bills
> > >> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
> > >> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
> > >> --
> > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >> http://dataved.ru/
> > >> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
> > >>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
> > >>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes
> > change over
> > >>>>> time, that's why I have asked once again.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around.
> My
> > >>>>> intention was to have more
> > >>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
> > >>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith
> > commit
> > >>>> too. Sorry.
> > >>>
> > >>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo
> provider
> > >>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> > QoSed
> > >>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
> available
> > >>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> > >>>
> > >>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make
> it
> > >>> so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we
> wouldnt
> > >>> be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it
> would
> > >>> be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
> > >>>
> > >>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be
> an
> > >>> issue for you?
> > >>>
> > >>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and
> honest.
> > >>>> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware
> > you
> > >>>> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
> > >>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
> > >>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
> > >>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e.
> svn
> > >>>> and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont
> want
> > >>>> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be
> careful
> > >>>> not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we
> need
> > >>>> to be careful.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
> > >>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you
> might
> > >>>> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need
> these
> > as
> > >>>> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use
> such
> > a
> > >>>> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will
> > work
> > >>>> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of
> > VMs
> > >>>> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
> > >>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.
> >  Please
> > >>>> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate
> > 20Mb/s
> > >>>> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
> > >>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look
> carefully
> > >>>> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for
> > you.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda
> snowed
> > >>>> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to
> > say
> > >>>> "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>> Tony
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----------------------------------
> > >>>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>>
> > >>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>>> ----------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Tony
> > >>>
> > >>> ----------------------------------
> > >>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>
> > >>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>
> > >>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>> ----------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tony
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > Tony Stevenson
> >
> > tony@pc-tony.com
> > pctony@apache.org
> >
> > http://www.pc-tony.com
> >
> > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by "seba.wagner@gmail.com" <se...@gmail.com>.
I think they are waiting for a spec.
However I am still a bit confused who needs to approve that spec?
Do we need the ASF board to approve that spec?

Thanks
Sebastian


2013/9/24 Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>

> Dear Tony,
>
> Are the any updates on this topic?
>
>
> On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:
>
> > We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased, delivered,
> > racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc,
> > Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1 month
> > turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.
> >
> > Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.  But
> > also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > > Artyom,
> > >
> > > Tony said,
> > >> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> > > has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> QoSed
> > > so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
> > > to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> > >
> > > Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo
> > provider?
> > >
> > > Thanks!
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > > http://dataved.ru/
> > > +7 916 562 8095
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> > > <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > >> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
> > >> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth is
> > >> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
> > >> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may add
> > >> a warning message at the welcome screen.
> > >>
> > >> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
> > >> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner bills
> > >> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
> > >> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
> > >> --
> > >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > >> http://dataved.ru/
> > >> +7 916 562 8095
> > >>
> > >>
> > >> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>
> > wrote:
> > >>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
> > >>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
> > >>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes
> > change over
> > >>>>> time, that's why I have asked once again.
> > >>>>>
> > >>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around.
> My
> > >>>>> intention was to have more
> > >>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
> > >>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith
> > commit
> > >>>> too. Sorry.
> > >>>
> > >>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo
> provider
> > >>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> > QoSed
> > >>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made
> available
> > >>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> > >>>
> > >>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make
> it
> > >>> so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we
> wouldnt
> > >>> be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it
> would
> > >>> be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
> > >>>
> > >>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be
> an
> > >>> issue for you?
> > >>>
> > >>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
> > >>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and
> honest.
> > >>>> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware
> > you
> > >>>> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
> > >>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
> > >>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
> > >>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e.
> svn
> > >>>> and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont
> want
> > >>>> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be
> careful
> > >>>> not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we
> need
> > >>>> to be careful.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
> > >>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you
> might
> > >>>> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need
> these
> > as
> > >>>> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use
> such
> > a
> > >>>> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will
> > work
> > >>>> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of
> > VMs
> > >>>> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
> > >>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.
> >  Please
> > >>>> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate
> > 20Mb/s
> > >>>> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
> > >>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look
> carefully
> > >>>> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for
> > you.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda
> snowed
> > >>>> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to
> > say
> > >>>> "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
> > >>>>
> > >>>> --
> > >>>> Cheers,
> > >>>> Tony
> > >>>>
> > >>>> ----------------------------------
> > >>>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>>
> > >>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>>
> > >>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>>
> > >>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>>> ----------------------------------
> > >>>>
> > >>>>
> > >>>
> > >>> --
> > >>> Cheers,
> > >>> Tony
> > >>>
> > >>> ----------------------------------
> > >>> Tony Stevenson
> > >>>
> > >>> tony@pc-tony.com
> > >>> pctony@apache.org
> > >>>
> > >>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> > >>>
> > >>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > >>> ----------------------------------
> > >>>
> > >>>
> >
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Tony
> >
> > ----------------------------------
> > Tony Stevenson
> >
> > tony@pc-tony.com
> > pctony@apache.org
> >
> > http://www.pc-tony.com
> >
> > GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> > ----------------------------------
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> WBR
> Maxim aka solomax
>



-- 
Sebastian Wagner
https://twitter.com/#!/dead_lock
http://www.webbase-design.de
http://www.wagner-sebastian.com
seba.wagner@gmail.com

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>.
On 24/09/13 07:01, Maxim Solodovnik wrote:
> Dear Tony,
>
> Are the any updates on this topic?
>

Maxim, apologies the host was re-purposed for a short period to test a 
theory (which sorted of helped us). Now the host just need to be built, 
and deployed.

We have been waiting to hear back from VMware about a license, however I 
think we have now decided to move on to ApacheCS/KVM to provide VMs.



-- 



Cheers,
Tony

----------------------------------
Tony Stevenson

tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org

http://www.pc-tony.com
GPG - 1024D/51047D66
----------------------------------

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Dear Tony,

Are the any updates on this topic?


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:

> We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased, delivered,
> racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc,
> Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1 month
> turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.
>
> Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.  But
> also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it.
>
>
>
>
> On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Artyom,
> >
> > Tony said,
> >> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> > has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not QoSed
> > so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
> > to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> >
> > Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo
> provider?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > --
> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > http://dataved.ru/
> > +7 916 562 8095
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> > <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
> >> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth is
> >> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
> >> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may add
> >> a warning message at the welcome screen.
> >>
> >> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
> >> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner bills
> >> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
> >> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
> >> --
> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
> >>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
> >>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes
> change over
> >>>>> time, that's why I have asked once again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around. My
> >>>>> intention was to have more
> >>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
> >>>>
> >>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
> >>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith
> commit
> >>>> too. Sorry.
> >>>
> >>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> >>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> QoSed
> >>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
> >>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> >>>
> >>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make it
> >>> so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we wouldnt
> >>> be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it would
> >>> be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
> >>>
> >>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be an
> >>> issue for you?
> >>>
> >>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and honest.
> >>>> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware
> you
> >>>> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
> >>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
> >>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
> >>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e. svn
> >>>> and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont want
> >>>> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be careful
> >>>> not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we need
> >>>> to be careful.
> >>>>
> >>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
> >>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you might
> >>>> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need these
> as
> >>>> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
> >>>>
> >>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use such
> a
> >>>> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will
> work
> >>>> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of
> VMs
> >>>> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
> >>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.
>  Please
> >>>> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate
> 20Mb/s
> >>>> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
> >>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look carefully
> >>>> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for
> you.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda snowed
> >>>> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to
> say
> >>>> "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Tony
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------------------------------
> >>>> Tony Stevenson
> >>>>
> >>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> >>>> pctony@apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> >>>>
> >>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >>>> ----------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Tony
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------
> >>> Tony Stevenson
> >>>
> >>> tony@pc-tony.com
> >>> pctony@apache.org
> >>>
> >>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> >>>
> >>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >>> ----------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> ----------------------------------
> Tony Stevenson
>
> tony@pc-tony.com
> pctony@apache.org
>
> http://www.pc-tony.com
>
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> ----------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
WBR
Maxim aka solomax

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Maxim Solodovnik <so...@gmail.com>.
Dear Tony,

Are the any updates on this topic?


On Fri, Jun 7, 2013 at 1:23 PM, Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com> wrote:

> We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased, delivered,
> racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc,
> Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1 month
> turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.
>
> Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.  But
> also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it.
>
>
>
>
> On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Artyom,
> >
> > Tony said,
> >> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> > has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not QoSed
> > so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
> > to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> >
> > Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo
> provider?
> >
> > Thanks!
> >
> >
> > --
> > With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> > Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> > http://dataved.ru/
> > +7 916 562 8095
> >
> >
> > On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> > <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
> >> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth is
> >> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
> >> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may add
> >> a warning message at the welcome screen.
> >>
> >> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
> >> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner bills
> >> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
> >> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
> >> --
> >> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> >> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> >> http://dataved.ru/
> >> +7 916 562 8095
> >>
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>
> wrote:
> >>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
> >>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
> >>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes
> change over
> >>>>> time, that's why I have asked once again.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around. My
> >>>>> intention was to have more
> >>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
> >>>>
> >>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
> >>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith
> commit
> >>>> too. Sorry.
> >>>
> >>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> >>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not
> QoSed
> >>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
> >>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> >>>
> >>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make it
> >>> so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we wouldnt
> >>> be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it would
> >>> be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
> >>>
> >>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be an
> >>> issue for you?
> >>>
> >>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and honest.
> >>>> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware
> you
> >>>> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
> >>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
> >>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
> >>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e. svn
> >>>> and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont want
> >>>> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be careful
> >>>> not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we need
> >>>> to be careful.
> >>>>
> >>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
> >>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you might
> >>>> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need these
> as
> >>>> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
> >>>>
> >>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use such
> a
> >>>> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will
> work
> >>>> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of
> VMs
> >>>> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
> >>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.
>  Please
> >>>> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate
> 20Mb/s
> >>>> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
> >>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look carefully
> >>>> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for
> you.
> >>>>
> >>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda snowed
> >>>> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to
> say
> >>>> "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> Cheers,
> >>>> Tony
> >>>>
> >>>> ----------------------------------
> >>>> Tony Stevenson
> >>>>
> >>>> tony@pc-tony.com
> >>>> pctony@apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> >>>>
> >>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >>>> ----------------------------------
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> Tony
> >>>
> >>> ----------------------------------
> >>> Tony Stevenson
> >>>
> >>> tony@pc-tony.com
> >>> pctony@apache.org
> >>>
> >>> http://www.pc-tony.com
> >>>
> >>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> >>> ----------------------------------
> >>>
> >>>
>
>
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> ----------------------------------
> Tony Stevenson
>
> tony@pc-tony.com
> pctony@apache.org
>
> http://www.pc-tony.com
>
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> ----------------------------------
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


-- 
WBR
Maxim aka solomax

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>.
We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased, delivered, racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc, 
Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1 month turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.  

Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.  But also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it. 




On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Artyom,
> 
> Tony said,
>> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not QoSed
> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> 
> Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo provider?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
>> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth is
>> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
>> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may add
>> a warning message at the welcome screen.
>> 
>> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
>> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner bills
>> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
>> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
>>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
>>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes change over
>>>>> time, that's why I have asked once again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around. My
>>>>> intention was to have more
>>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
>>>> 
>>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
>>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith commit
>>>> too. Sorry.
>>> 
>>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not QoSed
>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
>>> 
>>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make it
>>> so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we wouldnt
>>> be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it would
>>> be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
>>> 
>>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be an
>>> issue for you?
>>> 
>>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and honest.
>>>> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware you
>>>> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
>>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
>>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
>>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e. svn
>>>> and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont want
>>>> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be careful
>>>> not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we need
>>>> to be careful.
>>>> 
>>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
>>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you might
>>>> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need these as
>>>> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
>>>> 
>>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use such a
>>>> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will work
>>>> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of VMs
>>>> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
>>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.  Please
>>>> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate 20Mb/s
>>>> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
>>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look carefully
>>>> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for you.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda snowed
>>>> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to say
>>>> "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Tony
>>>> 
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>> 
>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>> 
>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tony
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> Tony Stevenson
>>> 
>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>> pctony@apache.org
>>> 
>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>> 
>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> 
>>> 


Cheers,
Tony

----------------------------------
Tony Stevenson

tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org

http://www.pc-tony.com

GPG - 1024D/51047D66
----------------------------------

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Tony Stevenson <to...@pc-tony.com>.
We need to get a vmware host specced up, agreed, purchased, delivered, racked, installed, configured, a VM created etc, 
Once we know this is what we want to do we will need to allow ~1 month turn-around time.  Maybe 6 weeks.  

Primarily the delay is in the order, racking, and installing stages.  But also bear in mind our new EU colo has very few services in it. 




On 7 Jun 2013, at 07:19, Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Artyom,
> 
> Tony said,
>> actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not QoSed
> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
> 
> Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo provider?
> 
> Thanks!
> 
> 
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
> 
> 
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
> <al...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
>> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth is
>> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
>> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may add
>> a warning message at the welcome screen.
>> 
>> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
>> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner bills
>> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
>> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>> 
>> 
>> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
>>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
>>>>> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes change over
>>>>> time, that's why I have asked once again.
>>>>> 
>>>>> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around. My
>>>>> intention was to have more
>>>>> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
>>>> 
>>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
>>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith commit
>>>> too. Sorry.
>>> 
>>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
>>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not QoSed
>>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
>>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
>>> 
>>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make it
>>> so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we wouldnt
>>> be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it would
>>> be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
>>> 
>>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be an
>>> issue for you?
>>> 
>>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and honest.
>>>> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware you
>>>> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
>>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
>>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
>>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e. svn
>>>> and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont want
>>>> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be careful
>>>> not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we need
>>>> to be careful.
>>>> 
>>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
>>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you might
>>>> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need these as
>>>> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
>>>> 
>>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use such a
>>>> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will work
>>>> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of VMs
>>>> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
>>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.  Please
>>>> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate 20Mb/s
>>>> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
>>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look carefully
>>>> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for you.
>>>> 
>>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda snowed
>>>> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to say
>>>> "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
>>>> 
>>>> --
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> Tony
>>>> 
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>> 
>>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>> 
>>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>> 
>>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>>> ----------------------------------
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tony
>>> 
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> Tony Stevenson
>>> 
>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>> pctony@apache.org
>>> 
>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>> 
>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> 
>>> 


Cheers,
Tony

----------------------------------
Tony Stevenson

tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org

http://www.pc-tony.com

GPG - 1024D/51047D66
----------------------------------

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
Artyom,

Tony said,
>  actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not QoSed
so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.

Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo provider?

Thanks!


--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
<al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth is
> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may add
> a warning message at the welcome screen.
>
> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner bills
> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
>>> > Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes change over
>>> > time, that's why I have asked once again.
>>> >
>>> > We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around. My
>>> > intention was to have more
>>> > development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
>>>
>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith commit
>>> too. Sorry.
>>
>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not QoSed
>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
>>
>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make it
>> so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we wouldnt
>> be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it would
>> be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
>>
>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be an
>> issue for you?
>>
>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
>>
>>>
>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and honest.
>>> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware you
>>> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e. svn
>>> and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont want
>>> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be careful
>>> not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we need
>>> to be careful.
>>>
>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you might
>>> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need these as
>>> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
>>>
>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use such a
>>> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will work
>>> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of VMs
>>> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.  Please
>>> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate 20Mb/s
>>> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look carefully
>>> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for you.
>>>
>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda snowed
>>> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to say
>>> "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>
>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>
>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>
>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>> ----------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>> ----------------------------------
>> Tony Stevenson
>>
>> tony@pc-tony.com
>> pctony@apache.org
>>
>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>
>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>> ----------------------------------
>>
>>

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
Artyom,

Tony said,
>  actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not QoSed
so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.

Tony, what would be our next step to set up the server at EU colo provider?

Thanks!


--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:19 PM, Alexei Fedotov
<al...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
> fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth is
> not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
> switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may add
> a warning message at the welcome screen.
>
> As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
> ~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner bills
> are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
> in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095
>
>
> On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
>> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
>>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
>>> > Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes change over
>>> > time, that's why I have asked once again.
>>> >
>>> > We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around. My
>>> > intention was to have more
>>> > development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
>>>
>>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
>>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith commit
>>> too. Sorry.
>>
>> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
>> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not QoSed
>> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
>> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
>>
>> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make it
>> so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we wouldnt
>> be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it would
>> be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
>>
>> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be an
>> issue for you?
>>
>> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
>>
>>>
>>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and honest.
>>> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware you
>>> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
>>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
>>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
>>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e. svn
>>> and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont want
>>> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be careful
>>> not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we need
>>> to be careful.
>>>
>>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
>>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you might
>>> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need these as
>>> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
>>>
>>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use such a
>>> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will work
>>> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of VMs
>>> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
>>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.  Please
>>> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate 20Mb/s
>>> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
>>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look carefully
>>> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for you.
>>>
>>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda snowed
>>> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to say
>>> "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
>>>
>>> --
>>> Cheers,
>>> Tony
>>>
>>> ----------------------------------
>>> Tony Stevenson
>>>
>>> tony@pc-tony.com
>>> pctony@apache.org
>>>
>>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>>
>>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>>> ----------------------------------
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>> ----------------------------------
>> Tony Stevenson
>>
>> tony@pc-tony.com
>> pctony@apache.org
>>
>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>
>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>> ----------------------------------
>>
>>

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth is
not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may add
a warning message at the welcome screen.

As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner bills
are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
>> > Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes change over
>> > time, that's why I have asked once again.
>> >
>> > We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around. My
>> > intention was to have more
>> > development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
>>
>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith commit
>> too. Sorry.
>
> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not QoSed
> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
>
> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make it
> so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we wouldnt
> be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it would
> be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
>
> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be an
> issue for you?
>
> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
>
>>
>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and honest.
>> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware you
>> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e. svn
>> and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont want
>> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be careful
>> not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we need
>> to be careful.
>>
>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you might
>> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need these as
>> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
>>
>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use such a
>> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will work
>> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of VMs
>> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.  Please
>> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate 20Mb/s
>> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look carefully
>> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for you.
>>
>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda snowed
>> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to say
>> "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>> ----------------------------------
>> Tony Stevenson
>>
>> tony@pc-tony.com
>> pctony@apache.org
>>
>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>
>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>> ----------------------------------
>>
>>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> ----------------------------------
> Tony Stevenson
>
> tony@pc-tony.com
> pctony@apache.org
>
> http://www.pc-tony.com
>
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> ----------------------------------
>
>

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
Tony, as I have said, the requirements are not as important as the
fact we have the server running. For those who feel that bandwidth is
not enough or is not reliable enough there is always an option to
switch to other test servers (or install their own server). We may add
a warning message at the welcome screen.

As for your previous question, my AWS bills for two test servers are
~$30 per month though micro-instance is kinda slow, and hetzner bills
are approx. ~$30 per server. For 100 Mbit/s connected server located
in Russia (with higher hosting costs) I pay 250$ / month.
--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 10:08 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
>> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
>> > Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes change over
>> > time, that's why I have asked once again.
>> >
>> > We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around. My
>> > intention was to have more
>> > development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
>>
>> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
>> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith commit
>> too. Sorry.
>
> Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
> has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not QoSed
> so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
> to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that.
>
> The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make it
> so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we wouldnt
> be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it would
> be a virtual machine that we'd give you.
>
> The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be an
> issue for you?
>
> Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward.
>
>>
>> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and honest.
>> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware you
>> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
>> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
>> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
>> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e. svn
>> and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont want
>> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be careful
>> not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we need
>> to be careful.
>>
>> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
>> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you might
>> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need these as
>> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere.
>>
>> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use such a
>> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will work
>> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of VMs
>> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
>> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.  Please
>> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate 20Mb/s
>> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
>> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look carefully
>> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for you.
>>
>> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda snowed
>> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to say
>> "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :)
>>
>> --
>> Cheers,
>> Tony
>>
>> ----------------------------------
>> Tony Stevenson
>>
>> tony@pc-tony.com
>> pctony@apache.org
>>
>> http://www.pc-tony.com
>>
>> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
>> ----------------------------------
>>
>>
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> ----------------------------------
> Tony Stevenson
>
> tony@pc-tony.com
> pctony@apache.org
>
> http://www.pc-tony.com
>
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> ----------------------------------
>
>

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>.
Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
> > Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes change over
> > time, that's why I have asked once again.
> > 
> > We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around. My
> > intention was to have more
> > development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
> 
> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith commit
> too. Sorry. 

Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not QoSed
so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that. 

The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make it
so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we wouldnt
be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it would
be a virtual machine that we'd give you. 

The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be an
issue for you? 

Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward. 

> 
> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and honest.
> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware you
> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e. svn
> and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont want
> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be careful
> not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we need
> to be careful.  
> 
> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you might
> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need these as
> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere. 
> 
> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use such a
> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will work
> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of VMs
> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.  Please
> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate 20Mb/s
> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look carefully
> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for you. 
> 
> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda snowed
> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to say
> "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :) 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> Tony
> 
> ----------------------------------
> Tony Stevenson
> 
> tony@pc-tony.com
> pctony@apache.org
> 
> http://www.pc-tony.com
> 
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> ----------------------------------
> 
> 

-- 
Cheers,
Tony

----------------------------------
Tony Stevenson

tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org

http://www.pc-tony.com

GPG - 1024D/51047D66
----------------------------------

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>.
Tony Stevenson wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 06:46:55PM +0100:
> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
> > Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes change over
> > time, that's why I have asked once again.
> > 
> > We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around. My
> > intention was to have more
> > development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.
> 
> Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
> significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith commit
> too. Sorry. 

Alexi, actually someone just reminded me that our new EU colo provider
has enough bandwidth to cope with your request - however it is not QoSed
so it cannot be guaranteed - but giving the amount they made available
to us I dont think you would make a significant dent in that. 

The only issue now is the lack of hardware in this location to 'make it
so'. We could look at purchasing a new box for the site, but we wouldnt
be able to guarantee you the 25% of the server you wanted, and it would
be a virtual machine that we'd give you. 

The colo would be in Europe, specifically in Germany.  Would this be an
issue for you? 

Please let us know, and I *might* be able to carry this forward. 

> 
> Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and honest.
> While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware you
> need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
> needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
> doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
> prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e. svn
> and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont want
> to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be careful
> not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we need
> to be careful.  
> 
> One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
> they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you might
> get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need these as
> a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere. 
> 
> There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use such a
> service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will work
> for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of VMs
> with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
> research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.  Please
> note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate 20Mb/s
> or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
> might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look carefully
> and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for you. 
> 
> I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda snowed
> under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to say
> "go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :) 
> 
> -- 
> Cheers,
> Tony
> 
> ----------------------------------
> Tony Stevenson
> 
> tony@pc-tony.com
> pctony@apache.org
> 
> http://www.pc-tony.com
> 
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> ----------------------------------
> 
> 

-- 
Cheers,
Tony

----------------------------------
Tony Stevenson

tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org

http://www.pc-tony.com

GPG - 1024D/51047D66
----------------------------------

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>.
Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes change over
> time, that's why I have asked once again.
> 
> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around. My
> intention was to have more
> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.

Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith commit
too. Sorry. 

Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and honest.
While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware you
need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e. svn
and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont want
to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be careful
not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we need
to be careful.  

One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you might
get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need these as
a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere. 

There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use such a
service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will work
for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of VMs
with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.  Please
note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate 20Mb/s
or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look carefully
and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for you. 

I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda snowed
under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to say
"go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :) 

-- 
Cheers,
Tony

----------------------------------
Tony Stevenson

tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org

http://www.pc-tony.com

GPG - 1024D/51047D66
----------------------------------

Re: A server for Openmeetings

Posted by Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>.
Alexei Fedotov wrote on Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 09:32:12PM +0400:
> Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes change over
> time, that's why I have asked once again.
> 
> We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around. My
> intention was to have more
> development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.

Generally that is a good thing.  However your requirements are
significant, and this is not something we could in all good faith commit
too. Sorry. 

Please do not mis-read my reply - I was trying to be open and honest.
While over time we might well be able to offer you all the hardware you
need, it is so very extremely unlikely we could meet your bandwidth
needs. All our bandwidth is donated to us for free, and as such it
doesnt come in huge quantities; and where we do have it we have to
prioritise core services over that of development instances (i.e. svn
and http over that of pmc specific needs).  It's not that we dont want
to help, but we only have finite resources, and we need to be careful
not to over commit them.  Bandwith is one such commodity where we need
to be careful.  

One option that springs to mind is the use of AWS and friends, while
they will not guarantee you the resources you want I suspect you might
get somewhere close most of the time. Though again, if you need these as
a minimum resource at all times we will have to look elsewhere. 

There might be some money free in the budget to allow you to use such a
service. Before we throw up n VMs in an attempt to guess if it will work
for you, can you perhaps go back to your PMC and discuss the idea of VMs
with the likes of AWS, and when you find a vendor please do a little
research into the options, then let us know what you want to do.  Please
note that the budget is not endless, and if you want to saturate 20Mb/s
or more, then I guess the bill from AWS will be significant and you
might not get a lot of AWS time as a reuslt - so please look carefully
and come back to us with options and we can take those forward for you. 

I'm pushing this back to you to do the research as we are kinda snowed
under somewhat and if you can do this part we might just be able to say
"go for it" and let you have at it.  I stress 'might' :) 

-- 
Cheers,
Tony

----------------------------------
Tony Stevenson

tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org

http://www.pc-tony.com

GPG - 1024D/51047D66
----------------------------------

Re: Fwd: Offer of an additional day at West Cambridge Day Nursery

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes change over
time, that's why I have asked once again.

We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around. My
intention was to have more
development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.

--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:22:38PM +0400:
>> Hello infrastructure team,
>> could Apache spare a demo server for Openmeetings technology? Here is
>> a list of requirements or the server:
>>
>> > virtual Ubuntu host
>
> This we can do.
>
>> > 1Gb memory
>
> This we can do.
>
>> > 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
>
> This we cannot do.  We have very limited bandwidth available at all of
> our colo providers. We could not even guarantee you 5Mb/s. Sorry, but we
> just do not have the ability to give you anywhere near what ou ask for.
>
>> > 25% of modern 2-core processor
>
> Your VM would be on a host shared with at least 20 other VMs,
> guaranteeing this level of resource would likely impact other VMs
> significantly, so we wouldn't do this.  We'd likely have to procure a
> machine dedicated to the task, which in itself is possible (although we
> have now missed the budgeting process, so would have to go to the board
> cap in hand). But the bandwidth requirement is a major blocker which we
> cannot resolve for you.
>
>>
>> We are also interested in opening two jabber channels (for Russian and
>> English real time messaging on openmeetings) with the following
>> requirements
>> 1) history on the web site;
>
> Is IRC not good enough for you? We do not run a jabber service here, and
> to deploy one right now would be a rather non-trvial task for just two
> channels.
>
>> 2) rss channel;
>
> What is one of these?  Never heard of an RSS 'channel' - do you mean an
> RSS feed?  You are free to create one of these yourselves, and add it to
> you site as you see fit, this is not something infra would do for you.
>
>> 3) irc-like group chat;
>
> Such as? We dont officially support anything like this.  The ASF has
> several official registered IRC channels, but we do not run any services
> oursevles. Most communities look after this requirement internally.
>
>> 4) I had four and forgot one... anyway it was conventional
>>
>> Is it somehow possible?
>
> I suspect the answer is no, not directly anyway. We just simply do not
> have the resources available for you. I'm fairly sure this was discussed
> sometime ago too when a similar request was made for a VM/server to run
> the service on.
>
>
>>
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> ----------------------------------
> Tony Stevenson
>
> tony@pc-tony.com
> pctony@apache.org
>
> http://www.pc-tony.com
>
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> ----------------------------------
>
>

Re: Fwd: Offer of an additional day at West Cambridge Day Nursery

Posted by Alexei Fedotov <al...@gmail.com>.
Tony, I'm sorry. This was discussed for sure. Things sometimes change over
time, that's why I have asked once again.

We have have several test servers and chat channels hosted around. My
intention was to have more
development resources hosted @apache and branded by apache.

--
With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
http://dataved.ru/
+7 916 562 8095


On Mon, Apr 22, 2013 at 8:01 PM, Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org> wrote:
> Alexei Fedotov wrote on Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:22:38PM +0400:
>> Hello infrastructure team,
>> could Apache spare a demo server for Openmeetings technology? Here is
>> a list of requirements or the server:
>>
>> > virtual Ubuntu host
>
> This we can do.
>
>> > 1Gb memory
>
> This we can do.
>
>> > 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)
>
> This we cannot do.  We have very limited bandwidth available at all of
> our colo providers. We could not even guarantee you 5Mb/s. Sorry, but we
> just do not have the ability to give you anywhere near what ou ask for.
>
>> > 25% of modern 2-core processor
>
> Your VM would be on a host shared with at least 20 other VMs,
> guaranteeing this level of resource would likely impact other VMs
> significantly, so we wouldn't do this.  We'd likely have to procure a
> machine dedicated to the task, which in itself is possible (although we
> have now missed the budgeting process, so would have to go to the board
> cap in hand). But the bandwidth requirement is a major blocker which we
> cannot resolve for you.
>
>>
>> We are also interested in opening two jabber channels (for Russian and
>> English real time messaging on openmeetings) with the following
>> requirements
>> 1) history on the web site;
>
> Is IRC not good enough for you? We do not run a jabber service here, and
> to deploy one right now would be a rather non-trvial task for just two
> channels.
>
>> 2) rss channel;
>
> What is one of these?  Never heard of an RSS 'channel' - do you mean an
> RSS feed?  You are free to create one of these yourselves, and add it to
> you site as you see fit, this is not something infra would do for you.
>
>> 3) irc-like group chat;
>
> Such as? We dont officially support anything like this.  The ASF has
> several official registered IRC channels, but we do not run any services
> oursevles. Most communities look after this requirement internally.
>
>> 4) I had four and forgot one... anyway it was conventional
>>
>> Is it somehow possible?
>
> I suspect the answer is no, not directly anyway. We just simply do not
> have the resources available for you. I'm fairly sure this was discussed
> sometime ago too when a similar request was made for a VM/server to run
> the service on.
>
>
>>
>> --
>> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
>> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
>> http://dataved.ru/
>> +7 916 562 8095
>
> --
> Cheers,
> Tony
>
> ----------------------------------
> Tony Stevenson
>
> tony@pc-tony.com
> pctony@apache.org
>
> http://www.pc-tony.com
>
> GPG - 1024D/51047D66
> ----------------------------------
>
>

Re: Fwd: Offer of an additional day at West Cambridge Day Nursery

Posted by Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>.
Alexei Fedotov wrote on Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:22:38PM +0400:
> Hello infrastructure team,
> could Apache spare a demo server for Openmeetings technology? Here is
> a list of requirements or the server:
> 
> > virtual Ubuntu host

This we can do. 

> > 1Gb memory

This we can do. 

> > 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)

This we cannot do.  We have very limited bandwidth available at all of
our colo providers. We could not even guarantee you 5Mb/s. Sorry, but we
just do not have the ability to give you anywhere near what ou ask for.

> > 25% of modern 2-core processor

Your VM would be on a host shared with at least 20 other VMs,
guaranteeing this level of resource would likely impact other VMs
significantly, so we wouldn't do this.  We'd likely have to procure a
machine dedicated to the task, which in itself is possible (although we
have now missed the budgeting process, so would have to go to the board
cap in hand). But the bandwidth requirement is a major blocker which we
cannot resolve for you. 

> 
> We are also interested in opening two jabber channels (for Russian and
> English real time messaging on openmeetings) with the following
> requirements
> 1) history on the web site;

Is IRC not good enough for you? We do not run a jabber service here, and
to deploy one right now would be a rather non-trvial task for just two
channels.

> 2) rss channel;

What is one of these?  Never heard of an RSS 'channel' - do you mean an
RSS feed?  You are free to create one of these yourselves, and add it to
you site as you see fit, this is not something infra would do for you.

> 3) irc-like group chat;

Such as? We dont officially support anything like this.  The ASF has
several official registered IRC channels, but we do not run any services
oursevles. Most communities look after this requirement internally.

> 4) I had four and forgot one... anyway it was conventional
> 
> Is it somehow possible?

I suspect the answer is no, not directly anyway. We just simply do not
have the resources available for you. I'm fairly sure this was discussed
sometime ago too when a similar request was made for a VM/server to run
the service on. 


> 
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095

-- 
Cheers,
Tony

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tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org

http://www.pc-tony.com

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Re: Fwd: Offer of an additional day at West Cambridge Day Nursery

Posted by Tony Stevenson <pc...@apache.org>.
Alexei Fedotov wrote on Fri, Apr 19, 2013 at 11:22:38PM +0400:
> Hello infrastructure team,
> could Apache spare a demo server for Openmeetings technology? Here is
> a list of requirements or the server:
> 
> > virtual Ubuntu host

This we can do. 

> > 1Gb memory

This we can do. 

> > 20 Mbit/s of bandwidth (the more, the better)

This we cannot do.  We have very limited bandwidth available at all of
our colo providers. We could not even guarantee you 5Mb/s. Sorry, but we
just do not have the ability to give you anywhere near what ou ask for.

> > 25% of modern 2-core processor

Your VM would be on a host shared with at least 20 other VMs,
guaranteeing this level of resource would likely impact other VMs
significantly, so we wouldn't do this.  We'd likely have to procure a
machine dedicated to the task, which in itself is possible (although we
have now missed the budgeting process, so would have to go to the board
cap in hand). But the bandwidth requirement is a major blocker which we
cannot resolve for you. 

> 
> We are also interested in opening two jabber channels (for Russian and
> English real time messaging on openmeetings) with the following
> requirements
> 1) history on the web site;

Is IRC not good enough for you? We do not run a jabber service here, and
to deploy one right now would be a rather non-trvial task for just two
channels.

> 2) rss channel;

What is one of these?  Never heard of an RSS 'channel' - do you mean an
RSS feed?  You are free to create one of these yourselves, and add it to
you site as you see fit, this is not something infra would do for you.

> 3) irc-like group chat;

Such as? We dont officially support anything like this.  The ASF has
several official registered IRC channels, but we do not run any services
oursevles. Most communities look after this requirement internally.

> 4) I had four and forgot one... anyway it was conventional
> 
> Is it somehow possible?

I suspect the answer is no, not directly anyway. We just simply do not
have the resources available for you. I'm fairly sure this was discussed
sometime ago too when a similar request was made for a VM/server to run
the service on. 


> 
> --
> With best regards / с наилучшими пожеланиями,
> Alexei Fedotov / Алексей Федотов,
> http://dataved.ru/
> +7 916 562 8095

-- 
Cheers,
Tony

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Tony Stevenson

tony@pc-tony.com
pctony@apache.org

http://www.pc-tony.com

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