Tomcat 4 vs Tomcat 3 Discussions

[James Duncan Davidson <du...@x180.net>]

I think that this has gone about as far as it can productively go in email.
I'd like to ask *all* participants in this discussion to cool it until
Tuesday January 16th when you can voice your opinions at the Jakarta PMC
meeting.

Normally, I would prefer to actually try to reach some sort of resolution
via email as that is what typically works for this community. However, it is
clear from the length of time that these threads have been going on that it
isn't going to happen. It's time to get out the not very used "the buck
stops here" PMC big stick.

The meeting will be in the Bay Area. Details will follow a bit closer to
time as will an overall agenda. However, this topic will be one of the big
agenda items and we *will* address it at that meeting even if we are
ordering in Chinese food for dinner and pizza for a  midnight snack.

Until then I'd like to request that both sides draw a line, stay to their
side of the road, do their thing, and figure out what they want to say at
that meeting.

James Duncan Davidson
Jakarta PMC Chairman

Means to which end?

[Ted Husted <ne...@husted.com>]

I believe Eric Raymond said it best when he said open source is about
developers scratching a personal itch. Sometimes it's a big itch, and
we need help to give it a proper scratching, and so we work together,
and call it a project. To a lot of developers, the project is simply a
means to an end, and if they could do it alone, they would. 

To some people, the project can become an end to itself, and the
products simply a means to that end. 

It's been my personal belief that most any system will work, so long as
people actually use it. When things go wrong, it's often because there
is more than one system in place, and the methods conflict. 

Perhaps one reason there have been so many conflicts here lately may be
that some people are scratching their "project" itch, and have trouble
understanding why someone would just want to scratch a "product" itch
instead. Meanwhile, other people have trouble understanding why open
source project-engineering would have precedence over the
product-engineering. 

Sometimes the answer is that you have to respectively agree to
disagree, and let meritocracy run its course.


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