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Posted to dev@diversity.apache.org by Greg Stein <gs...@apache.org> on 2021/09/01 03:21:47 UTC
Re: Why are there two public diversity lists?
While I'm not subscribed to either list, I did see some of the turn-up of the new committee while assisting Gris with the needed Foundation-y things. With that:
As I recall, diversity@ was intended as a public discussion forum. To include non-Apache people.
(and dev@ follows our typical pattern of getting-inside-work-done)
Cheers,
-g
On 2021/08/31 12:24:45, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 13:19, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > On 8/31/21 8:10 AM, sebb wrote:
> > > As the subject says: what is the difference between
> > >
> > > diversity@apache.org and dev@diversity.apache.org
> > >
> > > Are they both still needed or could diversity@ be shut down?
> >
> > Yes, I believe it can. I *think* that diversity@ predates the creation
> > of diversity.apache.org by several years.
>
> FTR: days/weeks, not years:
>
> diversity@ April 2, 2019
> dev@diversity May 29, 2019
>
> > >
> > > I think it makes more sense for all the lists to be under
> > > @diversity.a.o as there is also a private list under that domain.
> >
> > +1
> >
> > >
> > > As it stands there is a danger of confusion and fragmenting discussions.
> > >
> > > Sebb
> > >
> > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscribe@apache.org
> > > For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-help@apache.org
> > >
> >
> > --
> > Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> > @rbowen
>
Re: Why are there two public diversity lists?
Posted by Myrle Krantz <my...@apache.org>.
The original idea behind keeping the two lists was to have one list for the
philosophical discussions that were so "well-loved" at the time of that
creation, and one list for the discussions about the actual work of
monitoring diversity at Apache and proposing interventions.
People weren't very good at conforming to the intended pattern, and the
philosophical discussions seem to have mostly died down. I don't think
anyone will miss the loss of diversity@ now.
Best,
Myrle
On Fri, Sep 3, 2021 at 2:17 AM Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I am +0.8 on getting rid of diversity@ and keeping only dev@diversity.
>
> I see only one substantive discussion on diversity@ and don't see much
> need to keep it.
>
> Craig
>
> > On Sep 2, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Katia Rojas <ka...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > Hi folks,
> >
> > What do you think about keeping only one list (dev@) for both purposes:
> >
> > public discussion forum, to include non-Apache people.
> >
> > and getting-inside-work-done
> >
> > Most of our communications/activity happen in dev@ and it is public.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Katia Rojas
> >
> >
> > On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 at 05:43, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I believe Greg is right, though the level of activity on the lists has
> >> shown that it doesn’t really seem to be necessary at this time. Almost
> all
> >> activity has been on the subdomain.
> >>
> >> Matt Sicker
> >>
> >>> On Aug 31, 2021, at 22:21, Greg Stein <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
> >>>
> >>> While I'm not subscribed to either list, I did see some of the turn-up
> >> of the new committee while assisting Gris with the needed Foundation-y
> >> things. With that:
> >>>
> >>> As I recall, diversity@ was intended as a public discussion forum. To
> >> include non-Apache people.
> >>>
> >>> (and dev@ follows our typical pattern of getting-inside-work-done)
> >>>
> >>> Cheers,
> >>> -g
> >>>
> >>>> On 2021/08/31 12:24:45, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>>>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 13:19, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 8/31/21 8:10 AM, sebb wrote:
> >>>>>> As the subject says: what is the difference between
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> diversity@apache.org and dev@diversity.apache.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Are they both still needed or could diversity@ be shut down?
> >>>>>
> >>>>> Yes, I believe it can. I *think* that diversity@ predates the
> creation
> >>>>> of diversity.apache.org by several years.
> >>>>
> >>>> FTR: days/weeks, not years:
> >>>>
> >>>> diversity@ April 2, 2019
> >>>> dev@diversity May 29, 2019
> >>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> I think it makes more sense for all the lists to be under
> >>>>>> @diversity.a.o as there is also a private list under that domain.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> +1
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> As it stands there is a danger of confusion and fragmenting
> >> discussions.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>> Sebb
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscribe@apache.org
> >>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-help@apache.org
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> --
> >>>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> >>>>> @rbowen
> >>>>
> >>
>
> Craig L Russell
> clr@apache.org
>
>
Re: Why are there two public diversity lists?
Posted by Craig Russell <ap...@gmail.com>.
I am +0.8 on getting rid of diversity@ and keeping only dev@diversity.
I see only one substantive discussion on diversity@ and don't see much need to keep it.
Craig
> On Sep 2, 2021, at 5:08 PM, Katia Rojas <ka...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> Hi folks,
>
> What do you think about keeping only one list (dev@) for both purposes:
>
> public discussion forum, to include non-Apache people.
>
> and getting-inside-work-done
>
> Most of our communications/activity happen in dev@ and it is public.
>
> Thanks,
> Katia Rojas
>
>
> On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 at 05:43, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I believe Greg is right, though the level of activity on the lists has
>> shown that it doesn’t really seem to be necessary at this time. Almost all
>> activity has been on the subdomain.
>>
>> Matt Sicker
>>
>>> On Aug 31, 2021, at 22:21, Greg Stein <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> While I'm not subscribed to either list, I did see some of the turn-up
>> of the new committee while assisting Gris with the needed Foundation-y
>> things. With that:
>>>
>>> As I recall, diversity@ was intended as a public discussion forum. To
>> include non-Apache people.
>>>
>>> (and dev@ follows our typical pattern of getting-inside-work-done)
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> -g
>>>
>>>> On 2021/08/31 12:24:45, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 13:19, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 8/31/21 8:10 AM, sebb wrote:
>>>>>> As the subject says: what is the difference between
>>>>>>
>>>>>> diversity@apache.org and dev@diversity.apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Are they both still needed or could diversity@ be shut down?
>>>>>
>>>>> Yes, I believe it can. I *think* that diversity@ predates the creation
>>>>> of diversity.apache.org by several years.
>>>>
>>>> FTR: days/weeks, not years:
>>>>
>>>> diversity@ April 2, 2019
>>>> dev@diversity May 29, 2019
>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I think it makes more sense for all the lists to be under
>>>>>> @diversity.a.o as there is also a private list under that domain.
>>>>>
>>>>> +1
>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> As it stands there is a danger of confusion and fragmenting
>> discussions.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Sebb
>>>>>>
>>>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscribe@apache.org
>>>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-help@apache.org
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> --
>>>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
>>>>> @rbowen
>>>>
>>
Craig L Russell
clr@apache.org
Re: Why are there two public diversity lists?
Posted by Katia Rojas <ka...@apache.org>.
Hi folks,
What do you think about keeping only one list (dev@) for both purposes:
public discussion forum, to include non-Apache people.
and getting-inside-work-done
Most of our communications/activity happen in dev@ and it is public.
Thanks,
Katia Rojas
On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 at 05:43, Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I believe Greg is right, though the level of activity on the lists has
> shown that it doesn’t really seem to be necessary at this time. Almost all
> activity has been on the subdomain.
>
> Matt Sicker
>
> > On Aug 31, 2021, at 22:21, Greg Stein <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > While I'm not subscribed to either list, I did see some of the turn-up
> of the new committee while assisting Gris with the needed Foundation-y
> things. With that:
> >
> > As I recall, diversity@ was intended as a public discussion forum. To
> include non-Apache people.
> >
> > (and dev@ follows our typical pattern of getting-inside-work-done)
> >
> > Cheers,
> > -g
> >
> >> On 2021/08/31 12:24:45, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 13:19, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>> On 8/31/21 8:10 AM, sebb wrote:
> >>>> As the subject says: what is the difference between
> >>>>
> >>>> diversity@apache.org and dev@diversity.apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>> Are they both still needed or could diversity@ be shut down?
> >>>
> >>> Yes, I believe it can. I *think* that diversity@ predates the creation
> >>> of diversity.apache.org by several years.
> >>
> >> FTR: days/weeks, not years:
> >>
> >> diversity@ April 2, 2019
> >> dev@diversity May 29, 2019
> >>
> >>>>
> >>>> I think it makes more sense for all the lists to be under
> >>>> @diversity.a.o as there is also a private list under that domain.
> >>>
> >>> +1
> >>>
> >>>>
> >>>> As it stands there is a danger of confusion and fragmenting
> discussions.
> >>>>
> >>>> Sebb
> >>>>
> >>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
> >>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscribe@apache.org
> >>>> For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-help@apache.org
> >>>>
> >>>
> >>> --
> >>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
> >>> @rbowen
> >>
>
Re: Why are there two public diversity lists?
Posted by Matt Sicker <bo...@gmail.com>.
I believe Greg is right, though the level of activity on the lists has shown that it doesn’t really seem to be necessary at this time. Almost all activity has been on the subdomain.
Matt Sicker
> On Aug 31, 2021, at 22:21, Greg Stein <gs...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> While I'm not subscribed to either list, I did see some of the turn-up of the new committee while assisting Gris with the needed Foundation-y things. With that:
>
> As I recall, diversity@ was intended as a public discussion forum. To include non-Apache people.
>
> (and dev@ follows our typical pattern of getting-inside-work-done)
>
> Cheers,
> -g
>
>> On 2021/08/31 12:24:45, sebb <se...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 at 13:19, Rich Bowen <rb...@rcbowen.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 8/31/21 8:10 AM, sebb wrote:
>>>> As the subject says: what is the difference between
>>>>
>>>> diversity@apache.org and dev@diversity.apache.org
>>>>
>>>> Are they both still needed or could diversity@ be shut down?
>>>
>>> Yes, I believe it can. I *think* that diversity@ predates the creation
>>> of diversity.apache.org by several years.
>>
>> FTR: days/weeks, not years:
>>
>> diversity@ April 2, 2019
>> dev@diversity May 29, 2019
>>
>>>>
>>>> I think it makes more sense for all the lists to be under
>>>> @diversity.a.o as there is also a private list under that domain.
>>>
>>> +1
>>>
>>>>
>>>> As it stands there is a danger of confusion and fragmenting discussions.
>>>>
>>>> Sebb
>>>>
>>>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>>>> To unsubscribe, e-mail: diversity-unsubscribe@apache.org
>>>> For additional commands, e-mail: diversity-help@apache.org
>>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Rich Bowen - rbowen@rcbowen.com
>>> @rbowen
>>