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Posted to users@cocoon.apache.org by Derek Hohls <DH...@csir.co.za> on 2003/07/01 08:11:56 UTC
Re: Link Livesites: http://www.ctg.albany.edu
Joerg
I was browsing the white paper referred to; in
http://www.ctg.albany.edu/publications/reports/xml?chapter=9
it mentions that XML files are "connected" to XSL files
by placing links to the stylesheets at the top of the XML
files. It then goes on to say:
"This significantly simplifies content management because it
enables you to make changes to only one content file and
make no changes to the stylesheets because the content
is totally separated from the presentation.
Figure 8 illustrates how these XML/XSL transformations occur
within the Cocoon publishing framework. "
This is a little misleading and underplays the true value
added by Cocoon in completely separating content from
presentation - the "connections" happen in the sitemap;
there is no need to specify stylesheets in your XML files;
as soon as you do this you are implicitly mixing content
and presentation.
If you are able, I think some changes would help
clarify the situation.
Regards
Derek
>>> joerg.heinicke@gmx.de 30/06/2003 10:03:04 >>>
We had it already on the list last week, here is the official
announcement. I have added the link in the CVS.
Joerg
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: RE: Contact Us Form
Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:41:18 -0400
From: Jim Costello <JC...@ctg.albany.edu>
To: 'joerg.heinicke@gmx.de' <jo...@gmx.de>
Yes,
We would be glad to be listed on your powered by Cocoon page. Our base
url is http://www.ctg.albany.edu. The entire site is done in Cocoon 2,
using standard XML/XSL with a docbook schema for our XML documents. The
site currently has close to 4000 pages produced by approximately 300
xml/xsl files. We expect to be producing about 10,000 pages by the end
of the year with no increase in the number of xml/xsl files. The main
content of our site are the reports, guides and studies that our Center
produces. We needed a sensible way to manage these documents, control
the source file and produce a variety of formats HTML, PDFs, multiple
locations on the site. XML and Cocoon has been the answer. The site has
only been live for about 1 month, but we've already seen a doubling of
our traffic and it's much easier to maintain and find our information on
the site now. It's all Cocoon and XML/XSL; no database involvement.
We also have a white paper on the site at
http://www.ctg.albany.edu/publications/reports/xml that explains our
rationale and approach to using xml and cocoon.
One other component of the site at
http://www2.ctg.albany.edu/egovfirststop/ uses Cocoon 1 and mySQL
database to power an information repository application. We will be
upgrading this application to Cocoon 2.
Jim Costello
Web Application Developer
Center for Technology in Govenment
www.ctg.albany.edu
jcostello@ctg.albany.edu
(518) 442-3812
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Re: Link Livesites: http://www.ctg.albany.edu
Posted by Joerg Heinicke <jo...@gmx.de>.
Hello Derek,
yes, that's obviously misleading. But I'm not related to this page.
After the mention on this list last week I only asked them to be listed
on Cocoon's Livesites page and Jim Costello sent me this mail below. I
added the link in the CVS and forwarded this mail, especially because of
the impressive figures.
Now the report: It's the typical Cocoon 1.x handling using processing
instructions. But I don't know if they wrote their own component
handling processing instructions or if the report is outdated or simlpy
wrong. The X-Cocoon header clearly states that they use Cocoon 2.0.4,
but he also wrote (in the mail below) that they still have Cocoon 1.x in
use for a part of their homepage.
I'm cc-ing Jim Costello, so he can read and clarify your objections.
Regards,
Joerg
Derek Hohls wrote:
> Joerg
>
> I was browsing the white paper referred to; in
> http://www.ctg.albany.edu/publications/reports/xml?chapter=9
> it mentions that XML files are "connected" to XSL files
> by placing links to the stylesheets at the top of the XML
> files. It then goes on to say:
>
> "This significantly simplifies content management because it
> enables you to make changes to only one content file and
> make no changes to the stylesheets because the content
> is totally separated from the presentation.
>
> Figure 8 illustrates how these XML/XSL transformations occur
> within the Cocoon publishing framework. "
>
> This is a little misleading and underplays the true value
> added by Cocoon in completely separating content from
> presentation - the "connections" happen in the sitemap;
> there is no need to specify stylesheets in your XML files;
> as soon as you do this you are implicitly mixing content
> and presentation.
>
> If you are able, I think some changes would help
> clarify the situation.
>
> Regards
> Derek
>
>
>
>>>>joerg.heinicke@gmx.de 30/06/2003 10:03:04 >>>
>
> We had it already on the list last week, here is the official
> announcement. I have added the link in the CVS.
>
> Joerg
>
> -------- Original Message --------
> Subject: RE: Contact Us Form
> Date: Mon, 30 Jun 2003 09:41:18 -0400
> From: Jim Costello <JC...@ctg.albany.edu>
> To: 'joerg.heinicke@gmx.de' <jo...@gmx.de>
>
> Yes,
> We would be glad to be listed on your powered by Cocoon page. Our base
> url is http://www.ctg.albany.edu. The entire site is done in Cocoon 2,
> using standard XML/XSL with a docbook schema for our XML documents. The
> site currently has close to 4000 pages produced by approximately 300
> xml/xsl files. We expect to be producing about 10,000 pages by the end
> of the year with no increase in the number of xml/xsl files. The main
> content of our site are the reports, guides and studies that our Center
> produces. We needed a sensible way to manage these documents, control
> the source file and produce a variety of formats HTML, PDFs, multiple
> locations on the site. XML and Cocoon has been the answer. The site has
> only been live for about 1 month, but we've already seen a doubling of
> our traffic and it's much easier to maintain and find our information on
> the site now. It's all Cocoon and XML/XSL; no database involvement.
>
> We also have a white paper on the site at
> http://www.ctg.albany.edu/publications/reports/xml that explains our
> rationale and approach to using xml and cocoon.
>
> One other component of the site at
> http://www2.ctg.albany.edu/egovfirststop/ uses Cocoon 1 and mySQL
> database to power an information repository application. We will be
> upgrading this application to Cocoon 2.
>
> Jim Costello
> Web Application Developer
> Center for Technology in Govenment
> www.ctg.albany.edu
> jcostello@ctg.albany.edu
> (518) 442-3812
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