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Wiki link?
Could someone point me at the link from the Struts home page to the wiki?
I can still find it by clicking the Struts 1.2.9 links under
Documentation, but seems a bit tucked away... might it be better to be
more prominent? (or is it and I'm just missing it?)
Frank
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Re: Wiki link?
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
On 1/31/07, Rick Reumann <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So at work here people are asking 'should I start using WebWork or
> Struts2?' What would you tell someone that asks you that question?
> Where would I send them to help them to understand the differences in
> choices? Do you see the confusion I'm pointing out that I'm sure those
> on the outside are running into?
* http://struts.apache.org/roadmap.html#now
> My general response now, thanks to what others have explained to me,
> is.... "It appears they are very similar, just that Struts2 mostly
> renamed a few files. The main developers on WebWork have moved over to
> Struts2, therefor WebWork will soon become mostly a maintenance
> release and Struts2 will be the more 'modern' framework of choice,
> therefore I'd stick with looking at Struts2 for any new development."
>
> I don't know if that assessment above is 100% correct, but it's what
> 'I've heard."
It's probably correct, but whether "WebWork will soon become mostly a
maintenance release" is for the WebWork group to say.
-Ted.
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Re: Wiki link?
Posted by Rick Reumann <ri...@gmail.com>.
On 1/30/07, Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > So someone tell me "Is Struts2 and WebWork the same product?" I sort
> > of try to follow things and I can't even tell any more what is going
> > on. I think the first page on both sites should be an FAQ.
>
> Since there hasn't been a GA release of Struts 2, people have been
> keeping WebWork patched, and we've been making the corresponding
> patches to Struts 2. AFAIK, there's no plan to discontinue WebWork, or
> Struts 1.
So at work here people are asking 'should I start using WebWork or
Struts2?' What would you tell someone that asks you that question?
Where would I send them to help them to understand the differences in
choices? Do you see the confusion I'm pointing out that I'm sure those
on the outside are running into?
My general response now, thanks to what others have explained to me,
is.... "It appears they are very similar, just that Struts2 mostly
renamed a few files. The main developers on WebWork have moved over to
Struts2, therefor WebWork will soon become mostly a maintenance
release and Struts2 will be the more 'modern' framework of choice,
therefore I'd stick with looking at Struts2 for any new development."
I don't know if that assessment above is 100% correct, but it's what
'I've heard."
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Re: Wiki link?
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
On 1/30/07, Rick Reumann <ri...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I've always found incredibly difficult to find things on the Struts
> home page http://struts.apache.org/ I really think the home page
> should have a clarification of terms and what you plan on doing. For
> one thing this is incredibly confusing...
If someone wants to mock up a redesign, I'm sure we'd love to see it.
Most of us have very little time to spend on the project, and we need
all the help we can get.
> So someone tell me "Is Struts2 and WebWork the same product?" I sort
> of try to follow things and I can't even tell any more what is going
> on. I think the first page on both sites should be an FAQ.
Since there hasn't been a GA release of Struts 2, people have been
keeping WebWork patched, and we've been making the corresponding
patches to Struts 2. AFAIK, there's no plan to discontinue WebWork, or
Struts 1. It all depends on where volunteers choose to spend there
time and energy. We did run a FAQ on the welcome page for awhile, but
at this point, I think what people want to know first is whether
there's been a new release yet. We do post prominent links to the
FAQs.
-Ted.
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Re: Wiki link?
Posted by Rick Reumann <ri...@gmail.com>.
I've always found incredibly difficult to find things on the Struts
home page http://struts.apache.org/ I really think the home page
should have a clarification of terms and what you plan on doing. For
one thing this is incredibly confusing...
On Struts home page:
"Struts 2 was originally known as WebWork 2. After working
independently for several years, the WebWork and Struts communities
joined forces to create Struts 2. The new framework is the best choice
for teams who value elegant solutions to difficult problems."
If you read that above you'd think the concept of WebWork wasn't even
around anymore... yet...
On WebWork page: http://www.opensymphony.com/webwork/
"OpenSymphony and the WebWork team are proud to announce the release
of WebWork version 2.2.3.
WebWork 2.2.3 is mainly a bugfix release with some additions,
improvements and backports from Struts 2.0."
So someone tell me "Is Struts2 and WebWork the same product?" I sort
of try to follow things and I can't even tell any more what is going
on. I think the first page on both sites should be an FAQ.
On 1/30/07, Frank W. Zammetti <fz...@omnytex.com> wrote:
> Ok, so next stupid question... how does one get to the home page for a
> specific product if you don't know the address already? Well, I can
> answer that partially... there is a Struts 1 and Struts 2 link under the
> "The Apache Struts Project" heading, as part of the paragraph text... I'm
> not seeing them on the nav menu though... again, maybe I'm missing it?
>
> Frank
>
>
> --
> Frank W. Zammetti
> Founder and Chief Software Architect
> Omnytex Technologies
> http://www.omnytex.com
> AIM/Yahoo: fzammetti
> MSN: fzammetti@hotmail.com
> Author of "Practical Ajax Projects With Java Technology"
> (2006, Apress, ISBN 1-59059-695-1)
> Java Web Parts - http://javawebparts.sourceforge.net
> Supplying the wheel, so you don't have to reinvent it!
>
> On Tue, January 30, 2007 1:49 pm, Ted Husted wrote:
> > For Struts 1.x and Struts 2x, the links are under Support on each
> > product's home page, so that all the material for each product is
> > together.
> >
> > * http://struts.apache.org/1.x/
> > ** http://wiki.apache.org/struts/
> >
> > * http://struts.apache.org/2.x/
> > ** http://cwiki.apache.org/S2WIKI/home.html
> >
> > -Ted.
> >
> > On 1/30/07, Frank W. Zammetti <fz...@omnytex.com> wrote:
> >> Could someone point me at the link from the Struts home page to the
> >> wiki?
> >> I can still find it by clicking the Struts 1.2.9 links under
> >> Documentation, but seems a bit tucked away... might it be better to be
> >> more prominent? (or is it and I'm just missing it?)
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Frank W. Zammetti
> >> Founder and Chief Software Architect
> >> Omnytex Technologies
> >> http://www.omnytex.com
> >> AIM/Yahoo: fzammetti
> >> MSN: fzammetti@hotmail.com
> >> Author of "Practical Ajax Projects With Java Technology"
> >> (2006, Apress, ISBN 1-59059-695-1)
> >> Java Web Parts - http://javawebparts.sourceforge.net
> >> Supplying the wheel, so you don't have to reinvent it!
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Re: Wiki link?
Posted by Laurie Harper <la...@holoweb.net>.
Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
> Ok, so next stupid question... how does one get to the home page for a
> specific product if you don't know the address already? Well, I can
> answer that partially... there is a Struts 1 and Struts 2 link under the
> "The Apache Struts Project" heading, as part of the paragraph text... I'm
> not seeing them on the nav menu though... again, maybe I'm missing it?
Perhaps you're looking for the links at top right to Struts 2
[http://struts.apache.org/2.x/] and Struts 1
[http://struts.apache.org/1.x/]? Those links are to the 'development' /
Draft Docs sites, as linked under Development in the left nav bar.
Otherwise, I'm not sure what 'home page' you're looking for :-)
L.
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Re: Wiki link?
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
On 1/30/07, Dave Newton <ne...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> --- Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> > Technically, all of the Struts 2 documentation is a
> > wiki, except for the first page. Anyone who files a
> > CLA with the ASF is welcome to contribute.
>
> I love Confluence and all its power, but it's
> frustrating when a lot of the docs are pulled in from
> outside resources we don't (and probably shouldn't,
> especially in my case ;) have access to.
In that case, file a ticket to fix the JavaDoc that we are pulling in
through the snippet macro.
I myself don't have karma to XWork, so I've had to do that very thing,
since many of the snippets refer to XWork resources.
-Ted.
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Re: Wiki link?
Posted by Dave Newton <ne...@yahoo.com>.
--- Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org> wrote:
> Technically, all of the Struts 2 documentation is a
> wiki, except for the first page. Anyone who files a
> CLA with the ASF is welcome to contribute.
I love Confluence and all its power, but it's
frustrating when a lot of the docs are pulled in from
outside resources we don't (and probably shouldn't,
especially in my case ;) have access to.
It's also a challenge to know when something is worth
posting etc. (and embarassing when right after you
post something someone has the nerve to come along and
correct it ;)
Dave
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Re: Wiki link?
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
On 1/30/07, Frank W. Zammetti <fz...@omnytex.com> wrote:
> Just to clarify my motiviation so you know I'm not just being a wanker :)
> ... I believe wikis are a fantastic way for all users, not just project
> devs, to share information with one another in a persistent way. Because
> of that, I always like to see a link to it front and center on any project
> I might use. The link IS still there, I just think it could be a little
> easier to find and not buried down a layer or two, i.e., on
> struts.apache.org somewhere in the nav bar, especially if it isn't
> immediately obvious what layers need to be traversed to get to it.
The Struts 2 wiki is still new, and there isn't much there. The Struts
1 wiki is better, but I don't think its the first place I'd send
someone for information about the product.
The lifecycle of a Struts product tends to be very long, and so we
like to keep the documentation for all the GA releases available
online indefinately. Right now, the wiki's aren't being archived with
the rest of the documentation. I don't know if that's possible with
the Struts 1 moin-moin wiki, but it is something that we could do with
the Struts 2 confluence wiki.
Technically, all of the Struts 2 documentation is a wiki, except for
the first page. Anyone who files a CLA with the ASF is welcome to
contribute. I don't think you can get any more "front and center" than
that :)
-Ted.
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Re: Wiki link?
Posted by "Frank W. Zammetti" <fz...@omnytex.com>.
On Tue, January 30, 2007 3:07 pm, Ted Husted wrote:
> Under Documentation are the links to the archived sites for Struts
> 1.2.9 and Struts 1.3.5, which are the most current GA releases.
> (Struts 2.0.x is in beta.)
I'm not following... conceptually I mean... I followed the links just fine
:) ... saying they are the "archived" sites implies there are current or
"live" sites somewhere, does it not? And regardless, why would someone
think to go there for a wiki? It wasn't immediately obvious to me.
> Under Development are the links to the latest draft documentation for
> each product.
Actually, that seems to lead me to the "home" page for each product :) If
your calling that "draft documentation", then OK, but it's not what I
would equate to what I found there.
> Asking for the "home page" is a bit of a loaded question, since we
> support multiple releases of each product, along with the development
> versions of each product.
I only asked how to get to the home pages because you used the phrase :)
Besides, it's reasonable I think to have a page each for S1 and S2, as you
do. That's the logical demarcation point I think.
Just to clarify my motiviation so you know I'm not just being a wanker :)
... I believe wikis are a fantastic way for all users, not just project
devs, to share information with one another in a persistent way. Because
of that, I always like to see a link to it front and center on any project
I might use. The link IS still there, I just think it could be a little
easier to find and not buried down a layer or two, i.e., on
struts.apache.org somewhere in the nav bar, especially if it isn't
immediately obvious what layers need to be traversed to get to it.
Frank
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Re: Wiki link?
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
Under Documentation are the links to the archived sites for Struts
1.2.9 and Struts 1.3.5, which are the most current GA releases.
(Struts 2.0.x is in beta.)
Under Development are the links to the latest draft documentation for
each product.
Asking for the "home page" is a bit of a loaded question, since we
support multiple releases of each product, along with the development
versions of each product.
On 1/30/07, Frank W. Zammetti <fz...@omnytex.com> wrote:
> Ok, so next stupid question... how does one get to the home page for a
> specific product if you don't know the address already? Well, I can
> answer that partially... there is a Struts 1 and Struts 2 link under the
> "The Apache Struts Project" heading, as part of the paragraph text... I'm
> not seeing them on the nav menu though... again, maybe I'm missing it?
>
> Frank
>
>
> --
> Frank W. Zammetti
> Founder and Chief Software Architect
> Omnytex Technologies
> http://www.omnytex.com
> AIM/Yahoo: fzammetti
> MSN: fzammetti@hotmail.com
> Author of "Practical Ajax Projects With Java Technology"
> (2006, Apress, ISBN 1-59059-695-1)
> Java Web Parts - http://javawebparts.sourceforge.net
> Supplying the wheel, so you don't have to reinvent it!
>
> On Tue, January 30, 2007 1:49 pm, Ted Husted wrote:
> > For Struts 1.x and Struts 2x, the links are under Support on each
> > product's home page, so that all the material for each product is
> > together.
> >
> > * http://struts.apache.org/1.x/
> > ** http://wiki.apache.org/struts/
> >
> > * http://struts.apache.org/2.x/
> > ** http://cwiki.apache.org/S2WIKI/home.html
> >
> > -Ted.
> >
> > On 1/30/07, Frank W. Zammetti <fz...@omnytex.com> wrote:
> >> Could someone point me at the link from the Struts home page to the
> >> wiki?
> >> I can still find it by clicking the Struts 1.2.9 links under
> >> Documentation, but seems a bit tucked away... might it be better to be
> >> more prominent? (or is it and I'm just missing it?)
> >>
> >> Frank
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> Frank W. Zammetti
> >> Founder and Chief Software Architect
> >> Omnytex Technologies
> >> http://www.omnytex.com
> >> AIM/Yahoo: fzammetti
> >> MSN: fzammetti@hotmail.com
> >> Author of "Practical Ajax Projects With Java Technology"
> >> (2006, Apress, ISBN 1-59059-695-1)
> >> Java Web Parts - http://javawebparts.sourceforge.net
> >> Supplying the wheel, so you don't have to reinvent it!
> >>
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> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > HTH, Ted.
> > * http://www.husted.com/struts/
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Re: Wiki link?
Posted by "Frank W. Zammetti" <fz...@omnytex.com>.
Ok, so next stupid question... how does one get to the home page for a
specific product if you don't know the address already? Well, I can
answer that partially... there is a Struts 1 and Struts 2 link under the
"The Apache Struts Project" heading, as part of the paragraph text... I'm
not seeing them on the nav menu though... again, maybe I'm missing it?
Frank
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Omnytex Technologies
http://www.omnytex.com
AIM/Yahoo: fzammetti
MSN: fzammetti@hotmail.com
Author of "Practical Ajax Projects With Java Technology"
(2006, Apress, ISBN 1-59059-695-1)
Java Web Parts - http://javawebparts.sourceforge.net
Supplying the wheel, so you don't have to reinvent it!
On Tue, January 30, 2007 1:49 pm, Ted Husted wrote:
> For Struts 1.x and Struts 2x, the links are under Support on each
> product's home page, so that all the material for each product is
> together.
>
> * http://struts.apache.org/1.x/
> ** http://wiki.apache.org/struts/
>
> * http://struts.apache.org/2.x/
> ** http://cwiki.apache.org/S2WIKI/home.html
>
> -Ted.
>
> On 1/30/07, Frank W. Zammetti <fz...@omnytex.com> wrote:
>> Could someone point me at the link from the Struts home page to the
>> wiki?
>> I can still find it by clicking the Struts 1.2.9 links under
>> Documentation, but seems a bit tucked away... might it be better to be
>> more prominent? (or is it and I'm just missing it?)
>>
>> Frank
>>
>>
>> --
>> Frank W. Zammetti
>> Founder and Chief Software Architect
>> Omnytex Technologies
>> http://www.omnytex.com
>> AIM/Yahoo: fzammetti
>> MSN: fzammetti@hotmail.com
>> Author of "Practical Ajax Projects With Java Technology"
>> (2006, Apress, ISBN 1-59059-695-1)
>> Java Web Parts - http://javawebparts.sourceforge.net
>> Supplying the wheel, so you don't have to reinvent it!
>>
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>>
>
>
> --
> HTH, Ted.
> * http://www.husted.com/struts/
>
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Re: Wiki link?
Posted by Ted Husted <hu...@apache.org>.
For Struts 1.x and Struts 2x, the links are under Support on each
product's home page, so that all the material for each product is
together.
* http://struts.apache.org/1.x/
** http://wiki.apache.org/struts/
* http://struts.apache.org/2.x/
** http://cwiki.apache.org/S2WIKI/home.html
-Ted.
On 1/30/07, Frank W. Zammetti <fz...@omnytex.com> wrote:
> Could someone point me at the link from the Struts home page to the wiki?
> I can still find it by clicking the Struts 1.2.9 links under
> Documentation, but seems a bit tucked away... might it be better to be
> more prominent? (or is it and I'm just missing it?)
>
> Frank
>
>
> --
> Frank W. Zammetti
> Founder and Chief Software Architect
> Omnytex Technologies
> http://www.omnytex.com
> AIM/Yahoo: fzammetti
> MSN: fzammetti@hotmail.com
> Author of "Practical Ajax Projects With Java Technology"
> (2006, Apress, ISBN 1-59059-695-1)
> Java Web Parts - http://javawebparts.sourceforge.net
> Supplying the wheel, so you don't have to reinvent it!
>
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