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6.0 status
Hi,
I think it would be nice to proceed with a vote for 6.0.6 (no stable
this time either due to another batch of small glitches, but I think it
could be a beta if no further problems are found), as long as releasing
a new 6.0.7 alpha build.
Cluster: It seems some work remains on the cluster docs. What is the
plan for these ?
Admin: I didn't see anyone yet complain or ask for the admin webapp in
6.0, so I suppose it's really ok to not have it
Comments ?
Rémy
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Re: 6.0 status
Posted by "William L. Thomson Jr." <wl...@gentoo.org>.
On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 17:19 +0100, Remy Maucherat wrote:
>
> Admin: I didn't see anyone yet complain or ask for the admin webapp in
> 6.0, so I suppose it's really ok to not have it
For Tomcat 5.5.20, since the admin webapp is not part of the binary
download (don't recall it being in there). We added a use flag to
control if the admin app was built/installed.
I can't say it's been highly used. I know we did have requests from
those not wanting the admin app. Which really was the reason for the
admin USE flag. Since by default we were building and installing the
admin web app. Users wanted a choice.
Me personally I have not used it in years and never did extensively. I
found it took more time than just editing the files directly. Could be
just personal preference or habit. I just deleted the sucker after
install. ;)
These days it seems the manager apps get more use than the admin. No
complaints here if the admin is no longer available. I will be happy to
say to all Gentoo users that upstream does not provide or ship an admin
webapp any more, so there is not one for/with 6.0.x.
--
William L. Thomson Jr.
Gentoo/Java
Re: 6.0 status
Posted by Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>.
Filip Hanik - Dev Lists wrote:
> due to a pending move, I wont have time for this until 2nd half of January.
No problem. Unless someone disagrees, I will proceed with a 6.0.7 tag
later today (at 00:00 GMT+1, as usual).
Rémy
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Re: 6.0 status
Posted by Filip Hanik - Dev Lists <de...@hanik.com>.
Remy Maucherat wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think it would be nice to proceed with a vote for 6.0.6 (no stable
> this time either due to another batch of small glitches, but I think
> it could be a beta if no further problems are found), as long as
> releasing a new 6.0.7 alpha build.
>
> Cluster: It seems some work remains on the cluster docs. What is the
> plan for these ?
due to a pending move, I wont have time for this until 2nd half of January.
Filip
>
> Admin: I didn't see anyone yet complain or ask for the admin webapp in
> 6.0, so I suppose it's really ok to not have it
>
> Comments ?
>
> Rémy
>
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Re: 6.0 status
Posted by Martin Dubuc <ma...@gmail.com>.
+1 to declare 6.0.6 beta. I am quite satisfied with its stability.
Martin
On 12/21/06, Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I think it would be nice to proceed with a vote for 6.0.6 (no stable
> this time either due to another batch of small glitches, but I think it
> could be a beta if no further problems are found), as long as releasing
> a new 6.0.7 alpha build.
>
> Cluster: It seems some work remains on the cluster docs. What is the
> plan for these ?
>
> Admin: I didn't see anyone yet complain or ask for the admin webapp in
> 6.0, so I suppose it's really ok to not have it
>
> Comments ?
>
> Rémy
>
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Re: 6.0 status
Posted by "William L. Thomson Jr." <wl...@gentoo.org>.
On Thu, 2006-12-21 at 11:29 -0500, Yoav Shapira wrote:
>
> Four, we've only had alpha releases, and I assume the uptake on these
> has been fairly low. Once we label a release as beta or, even more,
> stable, we'll get a bunch more testers, and then we'll see if/how much
> complaining there is about the admin webapp.
Tomcat 6.0.x ebuilds have been available on Gentoo since 6.0.2, bumped
for 6.0.4, and now the current 6.0.6. However I have them masked since
they are barely alpha per upstream. Once they hit beta or better I will
umask. Although users can unmask themselves now if they so choose to.
However from my experience with Gentoo users, only a fraction run
unstable or ~arch. But most good system admins keep an eye on ~arch and
run at least one development machine as unstable.
If that will lead to more feedback, hard to say. I would assume at min,
I will hear from some users, and will condense, then relay that info to
upstream.
Now in my own development env, I have run 6.0.2, 6.0.4, and 6.0.6. While
my apps are nothing impressive. They have yet to have any issues, or
etc. Painless migration from 5.5.20.
--
William L. Thomson Jr.
Gentoo/Java
Re: 6.0 status
Posted by Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org>.
Yoav Shapira wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On 12/21/06, Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org> wrote:
>> I think it would be nice to proceed with a vote for 6.0.6 (no stable
>> this time either due to another batch of small glitches, but I think it
>> could be a beta if no further problems are found), as long as releasing
>> a new 6.0.7 alpha build.
>
> We might as well leave 6.0.6 as it is right now, alpha, and focus
> efforts on 6.0.7, in which we can shoot for a stable-quality build.
Yes, but it's not really possible to release a stable without a few
betas before it, regardless of its quality. Another way is to gradually
upgrade a build: alpha (a little time passes) -> beta (a little bit more
time passes) -> stable.
>> Admin: I didn't see anyone yet complain or ask for the admin webapp in
>> 6.0, so I suppose it's really ok to not have it
>>
>> comments?
>
> Four related thoughts, which I think add up to why it's not urgent to
> do work on our own admin app for Tomcat 6.
>
> One, the management app market has matured since the admin webapp was
> originally developed: there are now a bunch of capable admin apps
> that support Tomcat: the lambda probe, hyperic, jmanage, mc4j, BEA's
> thing, etc.
>
> Two, as our JMX support has improved, it's become easier for people to
> script their own stuff together via JMX consoles, Ant scripts, etc, so
> there's less usage of the manual click to do stuff admin webapp.
>
> Three, and this is kind of an accidental bonus: I think users got used
> to not having an admin webapp out of the box once we changed the
> Tomcat 5.5 distro, and that's led to more users doing #1 and #2 above
> rather than relying on our admin webapp out of the box.
>
> Four, we've only had alpha releases, and I assume the uptake on these
> has been fairly low. Once we label a release as beta or, even more,
> stable, we'll get a bunch more testers, and then we'll see if/how much
> complaining there is about the admin webapp.
6.0.2 is beta, so there's at least one beta out there (it did attract
testers, nobody was testing 6.0 before).
Rémy
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Re: 6.0 status
Posted by Henri Gomez <he...@gmail.com>.
> One, the management app market has matured since the admin webapp was
> originally developed: there are now a bunch of capable admin apps
> that support Tomcat: the lambda probe, hyperic, jmanage, mc4j, BEA's
> thing, etc.
lambda probe is really great...
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Re: 6.0 status
Posted by Yoav Shapira <yo...@apache.org>.
Hi,
On 12/21/06, Remy Maucherat <re...@apache.org> wrote:
> I think it would be nice to proceed with a vote for 6.0.6 (no stable
> this time either due to another batch of small glitches, but I think it
> could be a beta if no further problems are found), as long as releasing
> a new 6.0.7 alpha build.
We might as well leave 6.0.6 as it is right now, alpha, and focus
efforts on 6.0.7, in which we can shoot for a stable-quality build.
> Admin: I didn't see anyone yet complain or ask for the admin webapp in
> 6.0, so I suppose it's really ok to not have it
>
> comments?
Four related thoughts, which I think add up to why it's not urgent to
do work on our own admin app for Tomcat 6.
One, the management app market has matured since the admin webapp was
originally developed: there are now a bunch of capable admin apps
that support Tomcat: the lambda probe, hyperic, jmanage, mc4j, BEA's
thing, etc.
Two, as our JMX support has improved, it's become easier for people to
script their own stuff together via JMX consoles, Ant scripts, etc, so
there's less usage of the manual click to do stuff admin webapp.
Three, and this is kind of an accidental bonus: I think users got used
to not having an admin webapp out of the box once we changed the
Tomcat 5.5 distro, and that's led to more users doing #1 and #2 above
rather than relying on our admin webapp out of the box.
Four, we've only had alpha releases, and I assume the uptake on these
has been fairly low. Once we label a release as beta or, even more,
stable, we'll get a bunch more testers, and then we'll see if/how much
complaining there is about the admin webapp.
Yoav
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