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Posted to dev@jackrabbit.apache.org by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> on 2009/04/16 15:38:56 UTC
Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry
contribution)
Hi,
Our original plan for the CMIS efforts was to manage them as organic
growth within Jackrabbit, essentially developing the code in the
Jackrabbit sandbox and inviting CMIS contributors as Jackrabbit
committers based on their contributions.
However, it seems that with quite a bit of interest around this and
with the codebase and potential committers having just a little
overlap with Jackrabbit core, it might be better to take the effort to
the Apache Incubator where the codebase and related community can
evolve more freely without being bound too tightly to Jackrabbit.
So, I've created a skeleton proposal [1] for "Apache Chemistry", a
project that would be based on the Chemistry code developed at Nuxeo
and the JCR-CMIS code in the Jackrabbit sandbox. Feel free to edit the
proposal and mark yourselves as initial committers if you're
interested in participating. See [2] for more background on what the
proposal is expected to contain and how we should move forward with
it. I'm volunteering to mentor the project.
[1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ChemistryProposal
[2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry contribution)
Posted by Felix Meschberger <fm...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jukka,
Thanks alot.
I just added my name to the list of nominated mentors.
Regards
Felix
Jukka Zitting schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> Our original plan for the CMIS efforts was to manage them as organic
> growth within Jackrabbit, essentially developing the code in the
> Jackrabbit sandbox and inviting CMIS contributors as Jackrabbit
> committers based on their contributions.
>
> However, it seems that with quite a bit of interest around this and
> with the codebase and potential committers having just a little
> overlap with Jackrabbit core, it might be better to take the effort to
> the Apache Incubator where the codebase and related community can
> evolve more freely without being bound too tightly to Jackrabbit.
>
> So, I've created a skeleton proposal [1] for "Apache Chemistry", a
> project that would be based on the Chemistry code developed at Nuxeo
> and the JCR-CMIS code in the Jackrabbit sandbox. Feel free to edit the
> proposal and mark yourselves as initial committers if you're
> interested in participating. See [2] for more background on what the
> proposal is expected to contain and how we should move forward with
> it. I'm volunteering to mentor the project.
>
> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ChemistryProposal
> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry
contribution)
Posted by Paolo Mottadelli <pa...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> However, it seems that with quite a bit of interest around this and
> with the codebase and potential committers having just a little
> overlap with Jackrabbit core, it might be better to take the effort to
> the Apache Incubator where the codebase and related community can
> evolve more freely without being bound too tightly to Jackrabbit.
This is very nice news. I'm sure this is going to give more visibility
to the Chemistry project and, hopefully one day, make it graduate as a
Jackrabbit subproject.
--
Paolo Mottadelli: http://www.paolomottadelli.com
Sourcesense - making sense of Open Source: http://www.sourcesense.com
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry contribution)
Posted by Florent Guillaume <fg...@nuxeo.com>.
On 16 Apr 2009, at 15:38, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Our original plan for the CMIS efforts was to manage them as organic
> growth within Jackrabbit, essentially developing the code in the
> Jackrabbit sandbox and inviting CMIS contributors as Jackrabbit
> committers based on their contributions.
>
> However, it seems that with quite a bit of interest around this and
> with the codebase and potential committers having just a little
> overlap with Jackrabbit core, it might be better to take the effort to
> the Apache Incubator where the codebase and related community can
> evolve more freely without being bound too tightly to Jackrabbit.
>
> So, I've created a skeleton proposal [1] for "Apache Chemistry", a
> project that would be based on the Chemistry code developed at Nuxeo
> and the JCR-CMIS code in the Jackrabbit sandbox. Feel free to edit the
> proposal and mark yourselves as initial committers if you're
> interested in participating. See [2] for more background on what the
> proposal is expected to contain and how we should move forward with
> it. I'm volunteering to mentor the project.
>
> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ChemistryProposal
> [2] http://incubator.apache.org/guides/proposal.html
Thanks for the initial set up Jukka.
I'll add more stuff to the wiki today.
Florent
--
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Open Source, Java EE based, Enterprise Content Management (ECM)
http://www.nuxeo.com http://www.nuxeo.org +33 1 40 33 79 87
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry
contribution)
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Gianugo Rabellino
<g....@sourcesense.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> * We now only have volunteer mentors from Day. The normal diversity
>> rules don't really apply to mentors, but it would still be good to
>> have someone with a different perspective join us as a mentor. Note
>> that you need to be an Apache member to be a mentor.
>
> Happy to oblige - I added myself to the list.
Excellent, thanks!
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry
contribution)
Posted by Thomas Müller <th...@day.com>.
Hi,
I downloaded a word list from http://wordlist.sourceforge.net and ran:
grep -i -R --include=* -E 'c.?m.?i.?s' .
grep -i -R --include=* 'c.*m.*i[^s]*s' .
This got me a long list, including:
chromis
cinematics
combfish
comics
commissar
crimison
blackmails
buckminster
occamist (from Occam's razor)
Maybe somebody else want to do something similar. Buckminster is
already in use, maybe others too.
Regards,
Thomas
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Gianugo Rabellino
<g....@sourcesense.com> wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> * We now only have volunteer mentors from Day. The normal diversity
>> rules don't really apply to mentors, but it would still be good to
>> have someone with a different perspective join us as a mentor. Note
>> that you need to be an Apache member to be a mentor.
>
> Happy to oblige - I added myself to the list.
>
> --
> Gianugo Rabellino
> M: +44 779 5364 932 / +39 389 44 26 846
> Sourcesense - making sense of Open Source: http://www.sourcesense.com
>
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry
contribution)
Posted by Gianugo Rabellino <g....@sourcesense.com>.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> * We now only have volunteer mentors from Day. The normal diversity
> rules don't really apply to mentors, but it would still be good to
> have someone with a different perspective join us as a mentor. Note
> that you need to be an Apache member to be a mentor.
Happy to oblige - I added myself to the list.
--
Gianugo Rabellino
M: +44 779 5364 932 / +39 389 44 26 846
Sourcesense - making sense of Open Source: http://www.sourcesense.com
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry contribution)
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
or "Chemis" ?
Regards,
Serge Huber.
On 21 avr. 09, at 16:43, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>
> wrote:
>> But I would miss the current name, as I agree it is good :)
>
> Me too. How about if we just slightly modified it, say to "Apache
> Chemi" or something similar?
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
Re: Naming Chemistry
Posted by Florent Guillaume <fg...@nuxeo.com>.
On 22 Apr 2009, at 10:23, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> I contacted [1] the CDK developers for their input on this. So far
> their responses haven't been too concerned, so I'm proposing to the
> Incubator that we keep the "Apache Chemistry" name.
Thanks for following up on this with them Jukka.
On 22 Apr 2009, at 10:30, Tobias Bocanegra wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Florent Guillaume wrote:
>> I gather that nobody complained that Lucene had nothing to do with
>> the city,
> Which city do you mean?
Sorry, brain fart on my part. For some reason I had it stuck in my
mind that the name came from an Italian city.
On 22 Apr 2009, at 11:02, Paolo Mottadelli wrote:
> btw Florent, , your original suggestion (Camaieu) was even better! ;-)
Thanks, I know... No matter, I'll reuse the name for another of our
projects somewhere :)
Florent
--
Florent Guillaume, Head of R&D, Nuxeo
Open Source, Java EE based, Enterprise Content Management (ECM)
http://www.nuxeo.com http://www.nuxeo.org +33 1 40 33 79 87
Re: Naming Chemistry
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Florent Guillaume <fg...@nuxeo.com> wrote:
> We've already been through 3 names, so I'll concentrate on writing actual
> code until this is resolved.
+1
> The objections to "Chemistry" as potential confusing regarding the science
> of chemistry seem off-base to me.
Agreed.
The bigger problem in my opinion is the partial overlap with the
existing Chemistry Development Kit project. The overlap is not too
critical, so I contacted [1] the CDK developers for their input on
this. So far their responses haven't been too concerned, so I'm
proposing to the Incubator that we keep the "Apache Chemistry" name.
[1] http://tinyurl.com/chemistry-name-overlap
(or https://sourceforge.net/mailarchive/forum.php?thread_name=510143ac0904211503v44767868s5f693dff98cf26c8@mail.gmail.com&forum_name=cdk-devel)
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Naming Chemistry
Posted by Bertrand Delacretaz <bd...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Florent Guillaume <fg...@nuxeo.com> wrote:
> ...I contend that Chemistry is good enough.
+1
"Chemistry Development Kit (CDK)" is sufficiently different from
"Apache Chemistry".
And about Chemistry in general...there's that thing called Windows
somewhere, but it's not really about the openings in your house. Seems
to work for them.
-Bertrand (from the peanuts gallery)
Re: Naming Chemistry
Posted by Paolo Mottadelli <pa...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Florent Guillaume <fg...@nuxeo.com> wrote:
> I contend that Chemistry is good enough.
+1
btw Florent, , your original suggestion (Camaieu) was even better! ;-)
--
Paolo Mottadelli: http://www.paolomottadelli.com
Sourcesense - making sense of Open Source: http://www.sourcesense.com
Re: Naming Chemistry
Posted by Felix Meschberger <fm...@gmail.com>.
Hi all,
Having followed this a bit, I am feeling a bit uncomfortable with all
the proposals. I have to say, that I like Chemistry quite a bit (and it
immediately sounds and looks like "CMIS").
Now for potential mixup with CDK: I agree with Florent that there is
probably not a big chance for problems. Interesting side note: they have
a thing called JChemPaint, which they abbreviate to JCP ... ;-)
Therefore, I concurr with Florent to keep the original name proposal
Chemistry.
Regards
Felix
Florent Guillaume schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> I'm hope you'll forgive me, but I won't contribute to this discussion
> beyond this email as I'm quite tired of playing naming games.
> We've already been through 3 names, so I'll concentrate on writing
> actual code until this is resolved.
>
> I'm ok with "Chemist" as well, although I expect it'll raise the same
> arguments as "Chemistry".
>
> The objections to "Chemistry" as potential confusing regarding the
> science of chemistry seem off-base to me. If there ever was a
> chemistry-based project in Apache, I expect they'd choose their own
> codename instead of the just all-encompassing chemistry moniker.
> Regarding the existing chemistry-named java project, it's called CDK or
> Chemistry Development Kit, never just chemistry. Finally I gather that
> nobody complained that Lucene had nothing to do with the city, that
> Shale had nothing to do with the rocks, or that Jackrabbit had nothing
> to do with the furry animal. So why complain about chemistry...
>
> Regarding other suggestions: we've also been through the grep
> /usr/share/dict/words here at Nuxeo, and considered and rejected many
> names. The problem is not finding potential ones, the problem is at some
> point saying "ok this one is good enough".
>
> I contend that Chemistry is good enough.
>
> Bye,
> Florent
>
Re: Naming Chemistry
Posted by Tobias Bocanegra <tr...@day.com>.
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 7:00 PM, Florent Guillaume <fg...@nuxeo.com> wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I'm hope you'll forgive me, but I won't contribute to this discussion beyond
> this email as I'm quite tired of playing naming games.
> We've already been through 3 names, so I'll concentrate on writing actual
> code until this is resolved.
>
> I'm ok with "Chemist" as well, although I expect it'll raise the same
> arguments as "Chemistry".
>
> The objections to "Chemistry" as potential confusing regarding the science
> of chemistry seem off-base to me. If there ever was a chemistry-based
> project in Apache, I expect they'd choose their own codename instead of the
> just all-encompassing chemistry moniker. Regarding the existing
> chemistry-named java project, it's called CDK or Chemistry Development Kit,
> never just chemistry. Finally I gather that nobody complained that Lucene
> had nothing to do with the city,
which city do you mean ?
> that Shale had nothing to do with the
> rocks, or that Jackrabbit had nothing to do with the furry animal. So why
> complain about chemistry...
>
> Regarding other suggestions: we've also been through the grep
> /usr/share/dict/words here at Nuxeo, and considered and rejected many names.
> The problem is not finding potential ones, the problem is at some point
> saying "ok this one is good enough".
>
> I contend that Chemistry is good enough.
+1 me, too
regards, toby
Re: Naming Chemistry
Posted by SalvatoreIncandela <s....@gmail.com>.
Hi All,
I'm a Software Developer @ Pronetics/Sourcesense, I have experience with ECM
and JCR and I'm already a Spring Extension JCR committer.
I'd be more than happy to actively contribute to this project.
Bye
Salvatore
lennard wrote:
>
> +1 Chemistry
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Florent Guillaume" <fg...@nuxeo.com>
> To: dev@jackrabbit.apache.org
> Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:00:33 AM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time
> (Arizona)
> Subject: Re: Naming Chemistry
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm hope you'll forgive me, but I won't contribute to this discussion
> beyond this email as I'm quite tired of playing naming games.
> We've already been through 3 names, so I'll concentrate on writing
> actual code until this is resolved.
>
> I'm ok with "Chemist" as well, although I expect it'll raise the same
> arguments as "Chemistry".
>
> The objections to "Chemistry" as potential confusing regarding the
> science of chemistry seem off-base to me. If there ever was a
> chemistry-based project in Apache, I expect they'd choose their own
> codename instead of the just all-encompassing chemistry moniker.
> Regarding the existing chemistry-named java project, it's called CDK
> or Chemistry Development Kit, never just chemistry. Finally I gather
> that nobody complained that Lucene had nothing to do with the city,
> that Shale had nothing to do with the rocks, or that Jackrabbit had
> nothing to do with the furry animal. So why complain about chemistry...
>
> Regarding other suggestions: we've also been through the grep /usr/
> share/dict/words here at Nuxeo, and considered and rejected many
> names. The problem is not finding potential ones, the problem is at
> some point saying "ok this one is good enough".
>
> I contend that Chemistry is good enough.
>
> Bye,
> Florent
>
> --
> Florent Guillaume, Head of R&D, Nuxeo
> Open Source, Java EE based, Enterprise Content Management (ECM)
> http://www.nuxeo.com http://www.nuxeo.org +33 1 40 33 79 87
>
>
>
>
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Re: Naming Chemistry
Posted by Lennard Fuller <lf...@unicon.net>.
+1 Chemistry
----- Original Message -----
From: "Florent Guillaume" <fg...@nuxeo.com>
To: dev@jackrabbit.apache.org
Sent: Tuesday, April 21, 2009 10:00:33 AM GMT -07:00 U.S. Mountain Time (Arizona)
Subject: Re: Naming Chemistry
Hi,
I'm hope you'll forgive me, but I won't contribute to this discussion
beyond this email as I'm quite tired of playing naming games.
We've already been through 3 names, so I'll concentrate on writing
actual code until this is resolved.
I'm ok with "Chemist" as well, although I expect it'll raise the same
arguments as "Chemistry".
The objections to "Chemistry" as potential confusing regarding the
science of chemistry seem off-base to me. If there ever was a
chemistry-based project in Apache, I expect they'd choose their own
codename instead of the just all-encompassing chemistry moniker.
Regarding the existing chemistry-named java project, it's called CDK
or Chemistry Development Kit, never just chemistry. Finally I gather
that nobody complained that Lucene had nothing to do with the city,
that Shale had nothing to do with the rocks, or that Jackrabbit had
nothing to do with the furry animal. So why complain about chemistry...
Regarding other suggestions: we've also been through the grep /usr/
share/dict/words here at Nuxeo, and considered and rejected many
names. The problem is not finding potential ones, the problem is at
some point saying "ok this one is good enough".
I contend that Chemistry is good enough.
Bye,
Florent
--
Florent Guillaume, Head of R&D, Nuxeo
Open Source, Java EE based, Enterprise Content Management (ECM)
http://www.nuxeo.com http://www.nuxeo.org +33 1 40 33 79 87
Re: Naming Chemistry
Posted by Florent Guillaume <fg...@nuxeo.com>.
Hi,
I'm hope you'll forgive me, but I won't contribute to this discussion
beyond this email as I'm quite tired of playing naming games.
We've already been through 3 names, so I'll concentrate on writing
actual code until this is resolved.
I'm ok with "Chemist" as well, although I expect it'll raise the same
arguments as "Chemistry".
The objections to "Chemistry" as potential confusing regarding the
science of chemistry seem off-base to me. If there ever was a
chemistry-based project in Apache, I expect they'd choose their own
codename instead of the just all-encompassing chemistry moniker.
Regarding the existing chemistry-named java project, it's called CDK
or Chemistry Development Kit, never just chemistry. Finally I gather
that nobody complained that Lucene had nothing to do with the city,
that Shale had nothing to do with the rocks, or that Jackrabbit had
nothing to do with the furry animal. So why complain about chemistry...
Regarding other suggestions: we've also been through the grep /usr/
share/dict/words here at Nuxeo, and considered and rejected many
names. The problem is not finding potential ones, the problem is at
some point saying "ok this one is good enough".
I contend that Chemistry is good enough.
Bye,
Florent
--
Florent Guillaume, Head of R&D, Nuxeo
Open Source, Java EE based, Enterprise Content Management (ECM)
http://www.nuxeo.com http://www.nuxeo.org +33 1 40 33 79 87
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry contribution)
Posted by Julian Reschke <ju...@gmx.de>.
Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com> wrote:
>> But I would miss the current name, as I agree it is good :)
>
> Me too. How about if we just slightly modified it, say to "Apache
> Chemi" or something similar?
"Chemist"
BR, Julian (helping to paint the bikeshed :-))
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry
contribution)
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 4:40 PM, Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com> wrote:
> But I would miss the current name, as I agree it is good :)
Me too. How about if we just slightly modified it, say to "Apache
Chemi" or something similar?
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry contribution)
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
Thank you Torgeir, I remember this being mentioned a while ago, but I
was mostly hoping to help if need be.
But I would miss the current name, as I agree it is good :)
Regards,
Serge Huber.
On 21 avr. 09, at 16:36, Torgeir Veimo wrote:
> It is a play on the letters; CheMIStry.
>
> 2009/4/22 Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>
>
> I might be jumping the gun a little, but if this can help, here are
> a few name suggestions :
>
> Apache Plug
> Apache Content Plug
> Apache Jackplug
> Apache Sea Miss (ok it's an awful word game :)) (or could be written
> Seamis, or Seemis)
> Apache Startle (Jackrabbit synonym)
>
> But I must admit the name Chemistry is quite good, even if
> potentially misleading.
>
> Regards,
> Serge Huber.
>
> On 21 avr. 09, at 16:04, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com
> > wrote:
> I'll now ping the general@incubator.apache.org list for some early
> comments on the proposal.
>
> See http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/21727
> for the Incubator thread.
>
> There are some concerns over the name "Chemistry" and I actually found
> an existing Java project called "Chemistry Development Kit"
> (http://apps.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/cdk/), so as painful as it is
> we may still need to reconsider the project name.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
>
>
>
>
> --
> -Tor
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry
contribution)
Posted by Torgeir Veimo <to...@pobox.com>.
It is a play on the letters; CheMIStry.
2009/4/22 Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>
>
> I might be jumping the gun a little, but if this can help, here are a few
> name suggestions :
>
> Apache Plug
> Apache Content Plug
> Apache Jackplug
> Apache Sea Miss (ok it's an awful word game :)) (or could be written
> Seamis, or Seemis)
> Apache Startle (Jackrabbit synonym)
>
> But I must admit the name Chemistry is quite good, even if potentially
> misleading.
>
> Regards,
> Serge Huber.
>
> On 21 avr. 09, at 16:04, Jukka Zitting wrote:
>
> Hi,
>>
>> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> I'll now ping the general@incubator.apache.org list for some early
>>> comments on the proposal.
>>>
>>
>> See http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/21727
>> for the Incubator thread.
>>
>> There are some concerns over the name "Chemistry" and I actually found
>> an existing Java project called "Chemistry Development Kit"
>> (http://apps.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/cdk/), so as painful as it is
>> we may still need to reconsider the project name.
>>
>> BR,
>>
>> Jukka Zitting
>>
>
>
--
-Tor
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry contribution)
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
I might be jumping the gun a little, but if this can help, here are a
few name suggestions :
Apache Plug
Apache Content Plug
Apache Jackplug
Apache Sea Miss (ok it's an awful word game :)) (or could be written
Seamis, or Seemis)
Apache Startle (Jackrabbit synonym)
But I must admit the name Chemistry is quite good, even if potentially
misleading.
Regards,
Serge Huber.
On 21 avr. 09, at 16:04, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> Hi,
>
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>> I'll now ping the general@incubator.apache.org list for some early
>> comments on the proposal.
>
> See http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/21727
> for the Incubator thread.
>
> There are some concerns over the name "Chemistry" and I actually found
> an existing Java project called "Chemistry Development Kit"
> (http://apps.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/cdk/), so as painful as it is
> we may still need to reconsider the project name.
>
> BR,
>
> Jukka Zitting
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry
contribution)
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> I'll now ping the general@incubator.apache.org list for some early
> comments on the proposal.
See http://thread.gmane.org/gmane.comp.apache.incubator.general/21727
for the Incubator thread.
There are some concerns over the name "Chemistry" and I actually found
an existing Java project called "Chemistry Development Kit"
(http://apps.sourceforge.net/mediawiki/cdk/), so as painful as it is
we may still need to reconsider the project name.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Incubating Chemistry
Posted by David Nuescheler <un...@day.com>.
Hi guys,
i think we definitely have to distinguish between the JCR bindings of
Chemistry and a specific repository implementations bindings.
The JCR bindings of Chemistry make up a big part of my interest in
Chemistry as a project, so I would really be interested in keeping those
around in Chemistry to help bring people on board from the JCR
community, especially since we really want to grow the community.
regards,
david
On Sat, Apr 25, 2009 at 2:18 PM, Florent Guillaume <fg...@nuxeo.com> wrote:
> On 24 Apr 2009, at 07:51, Felix Meschberger wrote:
>>
>> Jukka Zitting schrieb:
>>>
>>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Florent Guillaume <fg...@nuxeo.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> Also I had envisionned the Jackrabbit-specific backend living in the
>>>> Jackrabbit project, to simplify inter-projects dependency management (as
>>>> Chemistry is an infrastructure project).
>>>
>>> Sure, makes perfect sense. The way I see it, Chemistry would contain a
>>> generic CMIS-to-JCR bridge and Jackrabbit would use that bridge to
>>> CMIS-enable the repository. I updated the proposal accordingly.
>>
>> That the Jackrabbit "backend" resides in Jackrabbit makes perfect sense
>> to me. How about Chemistry starting off with a first implementation of
>> that backend, which could then be migrated to the Jackrabbit project
>> once the interfaces and implementation have stabilized a bit ?
>
> Yes that would probably make things simpler, refactoring-wise.
>
> Florent
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Re: Incubating Chemistry
Posted by Florent Guillaume <fg...@nuxeo.com>.
On 24 Apr 2009, at 07:51, Felix Meschberger wrote:
> Jukka Zitting schrieb:
>> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Florent Guillaume <fg...@nuxeo.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Also I had envisionned the Jackrabbit-specific backend living in the
>>> Jackrabbit project, to simplify inter-projects dependency
>>> management (as
>>> Chemistry is an infrastructure project).
>>
>> Sure, makes perfect sense. The way I see it, Chemistry would
>> contain a
>> generic CMIS-to-JCR bridge and Jackrabbit would use that bridge to
>> CMIS-enable the repository. I updated the proposal accordingly.
>
> That the Jackrabbit "backend" resides in Jackrabbit makes perfect
> sense
> to me. How about Chemistry starting off with a first implementation of
> that backend, which could then be migrated to the Jackrabbit project
> once the interfaces and implementation have stabilized a bit ?
Yes that would probably make things simpler, refactoring-wise.
Florent
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Re: Incubating Chemistry
Posted by Felix Meschberger <fm...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
Jukka Zitting schrieb:
> Hi,
>
> On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Florent Guillaume <fg...@nuxeo.com> wrote:
>> Note that I'll need Metro bindings for WS as well, as we want to test
>> interop with both CXF and Metro. But the core code should be generic in any
>> case.
>
> OK, cool. Metro looks like it could be a bit troublesome from a
> licensing perspective (didn't look too closely), but it should be fine
> as long as it's just an optional or test dependency.
>
>> Also I had envisionned the Jackrabbit-specific backend living in the
>> Jackrabbit project, to simplify inter-projects dependency management (as
>> Chemistry is an infrastructure project).
>
> Sure, makes perfect sense. The way I see it, Chemistry would contain a
> generic CMIS-to-JCR bridge and Jackrabbit would use that bridge to
> CMIS-enable the repository. I updated the proposal accordingly.
That the Jackrabbit "backend" resides in Jackrabbit makes perfect sense
to me. How about Chemistry starting off with a first implementation of
that backend, which could then be migrated to the Jackrabbit project
once the interfaces and implementation have stabilized a bit ?
Regards
Felix
Re: Incubating Chemistry
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, Apr 23, 2009 at 5:07 PM, Florent Guillaume <fg...@nuxeo.com> wrote:
> Note that I'll need Metro bindings for WS as well, as we want to test
> interop with both CXF and Metro. But the core code should be generic in any
> case.
OK, cool. Metro looks like it could be a bit troublesome from a
licensing perspective (didn't look too closely), but it should be fine
as long as it's just an optional or test dependency.
> Also I had envisionned the Jackrabbit-specific backend living in the
> Jackrabbit project, to simplify inter-projects dependency management (as
> Chemistry is an infrastructure project).
Sure, makes perfect sense. The way I see it, Chemistry would contain a
generic CMIS-to-JCR bridge and Jackrabbit would use that bridge to
CMIS-enable the repository. I updated the proposal accordingly.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Incubating Chemistry
Posted by Florent Guillaume <fg...@nuxeo.com>.
On 23 Apr 2009, at 16:48, Jukka Zitting wrote:
> On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Jukka Zitting <jukka.zitting@gmail.com
> > wrote:
>> Thanks to everyone who's been participating in writing up the
>> proposal; I think it's soon ready to be voted on! See [1] for the
>> current status.
>>
>> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ChemistryProposal
>
> I just filled in the last TODO entries and I feel that the proposal is
> pretty much complete now. Are there any points that still should be
> clarified or changed?
Thanks Jukka. Looks good.
Note that I'll need Metro bindings for WS as well, as we want to test
interop with both CXF and Metro. But the core code should be generic
in any case.
Also I had envisionned the Jackrabbit-specific backend living in the
Jackrabbit project, to simplify inter-projects dependency management
(as Chemistry is an infrastructure project). I don't know what the
Apache policy is for such things.
I'll commit more code in our tree tomorrow or during the WE.
In particular, for those who have looked at the existing APIs, I want
to:
- stop using enums where an implementation may potentially want
extensibility (property types are the main use case),
- commit the start of some SOAP bindings (that were used for the AIIM
demo),
- completely separate the SPI (that model the wire protocols) from the
high-level API that users will manipulate (Document, Folder, etc.)
- have a "default" implementation of the API on top of any implementor
of the SPI.
Bye,
Florent
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Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry
contribution)
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks to everyone who's been participating in writing up the
> proposal; I think it's soon ready to be voted on! See [1] for the
> current status.
>
> [1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ChemistryProposal
I just filled in the last TODO entries and I feel that the proposal is
pretty much complete now. Are there any points that still should be
clarified or changed?
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry
contribution)
Posted by Paolo Mottadelli <pa...@gmail.com>.
Hi Jukka,
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:54 PM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> In general I'd restrict the set of initial committers to people who've
> already been contributing to the initial codebases or the related
> discussions.
Thanks for this clarification. I agree with your valuable suggestion.
Engagement rules were not totally clear to me before this.
I was suggesting Salvatore to join us as he is currently contributing
to some related projects, such as the Spring JCR integration.
I've removed Salvatore from the Initial Committers list; I'm sure he
will join the list in a while with his contributions.
Thanks,
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Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry
contribution)
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 9:59 AM, Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com> wrote:
> I am very interested in this project also, but I think it would be much too
> early for me to get commitership on this, as I need to first "prove" myself
> again, as an alumni of Jackrabbit :)
Cool, you're welcome to join as a contributor. :-)
In general I'd restrict the set of initial committers to people who've
already been contributing to the initial codebases or the related
discussions.
BR,
Jukka Zitting
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry contribution)
Posted by Serge Huber <sh...@jahia.com>.
I am very interested in this project also, but I think it would be
much too early for me to get commitership on this, as I need to first
"prove" myself again, as an alumni of Jackrabbit :)
Regards,
Serge....
>
>
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry
contribution)
Posted by Dominique Pfister <do...@day.com>.
Hi,
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 12:12 AM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> * Anyone else interested in joining as an initial committer?
> Dominique? It's of course possible to join also later, but then we'll
> need to go through the standard from-patches-to-committership process.
Oops, sorry for being late! I added myself to the list of initial
committer, thanks for the reminder.
Kind regards
Dominique
Re: Incubating Chemistry (Was: IP clearance for the Chemistry
contribution)
Posted by Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com>.
Hi,
On Thu, Apr 16, 2009 at 3:38 PM, Jukka Zitting <ju...@gmail.com> wrote:
> So, I've created a skeleton proposal [1] for "Apache Chemistry", a
> project that would be based on the Chemistry code developed at Nuxeo
> and the JCR-CMIS code in the Jackrabbit sandbox. Feel free to edit the
> proposal and mark yourselves as initial committers if you're
> interested in participating.
Thanks to everyone who's been participating in writing up the
proposal; I think it's soon ready to be voted on! See [1] for the
current status.
Some points before we go ahead with this:
* Some of the initial committers do not yet have CLAs on file. This is
not a problem yet, but the sooner we have the CLAs, the sooner we can
create the committer accounts after the proposal has been accepted for
incubation.
* Anyone else interested in joining as an initial committer?
Dominique? It's of course possible to join also later, but then we'll
need to go through the standard from-patches-to-committership process.
* We now only have volunteer mentors from Day. The normal diversity
rules don't really apply to mentors, but it would still be good to
have someone with a different perspective join us as a mentor. Note
that you need to be an Apache member to be a mentor.
I'll now ping the general@incubator.apache.org list for some early
comments on the proposal.
[1] http://wiki.apache.org/incubator/ChemistryProposal
BR,
Jukka Zitting