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Posted to modperl@perl.apache.org by Rod Butcher <rb...@hyenainternet.com> on 2002/02/03 00:21:32 UTC

Re: email attachments; was modperl growth

Folks, please don't send attachments, esp. with no explanation, it looks
just like these deliberate virus attacks to me and I refuse to open any
attachments unless I am personally familiar with the sender and know they
know what they're doing. If it's plain text please embed it in the email,
else provide a URL where one can download the attachment from.
Yeah, I know, use Linux, don't use Outlook Express, .txt attachments are
unlikely to contain virus, use antvirus software etc.... been there, done
that, I'm sticking to my story.
thanks & regards, Rod
===================================
The sender has never accepted any funding
from Enron. Any suggestion to that effect
will be met with legal action.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorge Godoy" <go...@conectiva.com>
To: "Matt Sergeant" <ma...@sergeant.org>
Cc: "Robin Berjon" <ro...@knowscape.com>; <mo...@apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 9:54 AM
Subject: Re: modperl growth

Re: email attachments; was modperl growth

Posted by Thomas Eibner <th...@stderr.net>.

On Sun, Feb 03, 2002 at 10:21:32AM +1100, Rod Butcher wrote:
> Folks, please don't send attachments, esp. with no explanation, it looks
> just like these deliberate virus attacks to me and I refuse to open any
> attachments unless I am personally familiar with the sender and know they
> know what they're doing. If it's plain text please embed it in the email,
> else provide a URL where one can download the attachment from.
> Yeah, I know, use Linux, don't use Outlook Express, .txt attachments are
> unlikely to contain virus, use antvirus software etc.... been there, done
> that, I'm sticking to my story.

Outlook Express has no clue on what to do with PGP signed messages? Which
is what it was. 

-- 
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  mod_pointer <http://stderr.net/mod_pointer> !(C)<http://copywrong.dk/>
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Re: [OT] email attachments - Win32 email reader to replace OE

Posted by Drew Taylor <dr...@drewtaylor.com>.

At 01:27 AM 2/3/2002 -0200, Jorge Godoy wrote:
>"Rod Butcher" <rb...@hyenainternet.com> writes:
>
> > Guys, in light of recent messages, can you suggest a secure full-function
> > Win32 email reader (including optional HTML) with a brain that I can 
> migrate
> > all my Outlook  Express stuff to and so escape the Virus nightmare and deal
> > with PGP, GPG etc and hence use electronic communication the way it's meant
> > to be used ?
>
>I'm not a Windows user (thanks God!), but a friend of mine loves a
>program named 'The Bat!'. There's also 'Eudora' (I've used Eudore 6
>years ago...).

I've been a Eudora guy for more than a few years now. I think I started 
with version 3, but I could be wrong. It's a great mailer, and now it 
really is free if you want to watch their advertising. I don't have any 
problem with it, but AdAware will tell you you're infected w/ spyware.

The best thing about Eudora is that it uses good old mbox format, so you 
could later move to mutt once you're on unix. Oh, and it's stable and 
immune to the Outlook viruses too. :-)

Drew

Drew Taylor                     JA[P|m_p|SQL]H
http://www.drewtaylor.com/      Just Another Perl|mod_perl|SQL Hacker
mailto:drew@drewtaylor.com      *** God bless America! ***

Re: [OT] email attachments - Win32 email reader to replace OE

Posted by Mike808 <mi...@users.sourceforge.net>.

Some kind of off-the-cuff reviews from a friend you might find interesting.
Note the criterion: <$20 and HTML on/off

> I am using Vivian as my main client, but it is lacking in a few "functions" 
> that need work. It is the ONLY client I have found so far that doesn't 
> support HTML and it has a really nice "headers view" of the mail on the 
> server that allows you to choose download, download/delete, delete 
> before you POP it. It doesn't routinely check your mail for you though. 
> I "registered" (It's freeware) and sent the guy a few bucks to encourage 
> his development.

> So far, I'm putting my money on POCO as the closest competitor to OE (if 
> you bar Messenger (I did for HTML reasons)). I have two more to 
> look at, but so far, nothing promising. I started with two criterion money 
> (had to be free or less than $20) and be able to turn off HTML/helper 
> applications (no virus carriers). Mahogany might be promising when the windows
> version gets out of beta. So far, this is what I have done : 
> Outlook Express, Messenger, Pegasus, Iris, PMMail, Mail Warrior, Vivian,  
>
> Hmmm, roll your own with Sylpheed?

And what he had to say about The Bat:
> Yep, It was very complex. I've heard good and bad talk about it. The HTML 
> features can't be controlled and the cost made it one of my "no" choices.
> I am currently on one of my "finds" and rather liking it. Take a look at 
> QuickMail Pro. It was written for the MAC, but is rather nice for Doze. 
> Pricey at $40, but maybe I need to look at some of these...
> 
> (my Doze crashed earlier and I was forced to send before I included all of 
> the different mail clients I have tried. Quite a few. If I could have 
> gotten it to work correctly, I'd have stayed with Kaufman Mail Warrior 
> (my first).

I hope that this points those looking in some directions at some of the 
low-cost alternatives out there.

Mike808/
-- 
perl -le "$_='7284254074:0930970:H4012816';tr[0->][ BOPEN!SMUT];print"

RE: [OT] email attachments - Win32 email reader to replace OE

Posted by "Jonathan M. Hollin" <ne...@digital-word.com>.

:: I think, as somebody said, that migrating to Outlook instead 
:: of Outlook Express might be something (though you won't be 
:: free from worms, virii, etc.). 

There is a patch available from Microsoft which prohibits the opening of
certain types of attachments.  This makes Outlook (not Outlook Express)
pretty secure.  In any case, who opens attachments these days anyway?
It's all down to common sense surely.  Use a good virus checker, keep it
up to date (I update my signature files daily), don't open unexpected
attachments and, if you use Outlook or Outlook Express, turn off the
Auto Preview feature - then you're pretty safe, regardless of the email
client you're using.


Jonathan M. Hollin - WYPUG Co-ordinator
West Yorkshire Perl User Group
http://wypug.pm.org/

Re: [OT] email attachments - Win32 email reader to replace OE

Posted by Jorge Godoy <go...@conectiva.com>.

"Rod Butcher" <rb...@hyenainternet.com> writes:

> Guys, in light of recent messages, can you suggest a secure full-function
> Win32 email reader (including optional HTML) with a brain that I can migrate
> all my Outlook  Express stuff to and so escape the Virus nightmare and deal
> with PGP, GPG etc and hence use electronic communication the way it's meant
> to be used ?

I'm not a Windows user (thanks God!), but a friend of mine loves a
program named 'The Bat!'. There's also 'Eudora' (I've used Eudore 6
years ago...). 

I think, as somebody said, that migrating to Outlook instead of
Outlook Express might be something (though you won't be free from
worms, virii, etc.). 

See you,
-- 
Godoy. <go...@conectiva.com>

Escritório de Projetos		-- 	  Conectiva S.A.
Projects Office			--	  Conectiva Inc.

[OT] email attachments - Win32 email reader to replace OE

Posted by Rod Butcher <rb...@hyenainternet.com>.

Guys, in light of recent messages, can you suggest a secure full-function
Win32 email reader (including optional HTML) with a brain that I can migrate
all my Outlook  Express stuff to and so escape the Virus nightmare and deal
with PGP, GPG etc and hence use electronic communication the way it's meant
to be used ?
many thanks, Rod
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jorge Godoy" <go...@conectiva.com>
To: "Rod Butcher" <rb...@hyenainternet.com>
Cc: <mo...@apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:24 PM
Subject: Re: email attachments; was modperl growth


>>>clip clip...
> I'm sorry, but it was a GPG (a free PGP) signed message.
>
> Outlook is really lost when it sees that and, since you've bought it
> from Microsoft, I think you should send them a request for them to
> implement OpenPGP standards in their mail reader.
>
>
> Unfortunately, you (don't) get what you paid for...
>
>
> See you,
> --
> Godoy. <go...@conectiva.com>
>
> Escritório de Projetos --   Conectiva S.A.
> Projects Office --   Conectiva Inc.

Re: [OT] email attachments - Win32 email reader to replace OE

Posted by "Erich L. Markert" <em...@netscape.net>.

Why not just use Netscape's mail client then?  Works on Unix, Linux, 
Win32, etc...

rbutch@hyenainternet.com wrote:

>Thanks to folks who contributed, Eudora seems the thing to go with here.
>What I'd really like is  a Win32 version of KDE Mail, so I can have
>cross-platform standardization.
>regards, Rod
>===================================
>The sender has never accepted any funding
>from Enron. Any suggestion to that effect
>will be met with legal action.
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Todd Finney" <tf...@boygenius.com>
>To: "Rod Butcher" <rb...@hyenainternet.com>
>Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:27 AM
>Subject: Re: [OT] email attachments - Win32 email reader to replace OE
>
>
>>I've used various versions of Eudora since around 1995.  It's not
>>perfect, but it's better than most.  Recent versions have fairly
>>powerful filtering capabilities, and it handles large mailboxes without
>>difficultly (how large? My largest mailbox has around 35,000 messages
>>in it, it's been higher).
>>
>>It also has nice functional keyboard shortcuts, so you don't need to
>>use a mouse when you're handling mail.
>>
>>I can't comment on using PGP with it, as I've never tried that.  I
>>can't imagine it being a problem, though.
>>
>>cheers,
>>Todd
>>
>>
>>At 09:11 PM 2/2/02, Rod Butcher wrote:
>>
>>>Guys, in light of recent messages, can you suggest a secure
>>>full-function
>>>Win32 email reader (including optional HTML) with a brain that I can
>>>migrate
>>>all my Outlook  Express stuff to and so escape the Virus nightmare and
>>>deal
>>>with PGP, GPG etc and hence use electronic communication the way it's
>>>meant
>>>to be used ?
>>>many thanks, Rod
>>>----- Original Message -----
>>>From: "Jorge Godoy" <go...@conectiva.com>
>>>To: "Rod Butcher" <rb...@hyenainternet.com>
>>>Cc: <mo...@apache.org>
>>>Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:24 PM
>>>Subject: Re: email attachments; was modperl growth
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>clip clip...
>>>>>>
>>>>I'm sorry, but it was a GPG (a free PGP) signed message.
>>>>
>>>>Outlook is really lost when it sees that and, since you've bought
>>>>
>>>it
>>>
>>>>from Microsoft, I think you should send them a request for them to
>>>>implement OpenPGP standards in their mail reader.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Unfortunately, you (don't) get what you paid for...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>See you,
>>>>--
>>>>Godoy. <go...@conectiva.com>
>>>>
>>>>Escritório de Projetos --   Conectiva S.A.
>>>>Projects Office --   Conectiva Inc.
>>>>
>
>

Re: [OT] email attachments - Win32 email reader to replace OE

Posted by Rod Butcher <rb...@hyenainternet.com>.

Thanks to folks who contributed, Eudora seems the thing to go with here.
What I'd really like is  a Win32 version of KDE Mail, so I can have
cross-platform standardization.
regards, Rod
===================================
The sender has never accepted any funding
from Enron. Any suggestion to that effect
will be met with legal action.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Todd Finney" <tf...@boygenius.com>
To: "Rod Butcher" <rb...@hyenainternet.com>
Sent: Monday, February 04, 2002 9:27 AM
Subject: Re: [OT] email attachments - Win32 email reader to replace OE


> I've used various versions of Eudora since around 1995.  It's not
> perfect, but it's better than most.  Recent versions have fairly
> powerful filtering capabilities, and it handles large mailboxes without
> difficultly (how large? My largest mailbox has around 35,000 messages
> in it, it's been higher).
>
> It also has nice functional keyboard shortcuts, so you don't need to
> use a mouse when you're handling mail.
>
> I can't comment on using PGP with it, as I've never tried that.  I
> can't imagine it being a problem, though.
>
> cheers,
> Todd
>
>
> At 09:11 PM 2/2/02, Rod Butcher wrote:
> >Guys, in light of recent messages, can you suggest a secure
> >full-function
> >Win32 email reader (including optional HTML) with a brain that I can
> >migrate
> >all my Outlook  Express stuff to and so escape the Virus nightmare and
> >deal
> >with PGP, GPG etc and hence use electronic communication the way it's
> >meant
> >to be used ?
> >many thanks, Rod
> >----- Original Message -----
> >From: "Jorge Godoy" <go...@conectiva.com>
> >To: "Rod Butcher" <rb...@hyenainternet.com>
> >Cc: <mo...@apache.org>
> >Sent: Sunday, February 03, 2002 12:24 PM
> >Subject: Re: email attachments; was modperl growth
> >
> >
> > >>>clip clip...
> > > I'm sorry, but it was a GPG (a free PGP) signed message.
> > >
> > > Outlook is really lost when it sees that and, since you've bought
> > it
> > > from Microsoft, I think you should send them a request for them to
> > > implement OpenPGP standards in their mail reader.
> > >
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, you (don't) get what you paid for...
> > >
> > >
> > > See you,
> > > --
> > > Godoy. <go...@conectiva.com>
> > >
> > > Escritório de Projetos --   Conectiva S.A.
> > > Projects Office --   Conectiva Inc.
> >
>