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Posted to dev@openoffice.apache.org by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@apache.org> on 2013/01/22 18:49:15 UTC
Bug in AOO 3.4.1 on the Fedora 18
I am using Fedora 18 and AOO 3.4.1
Realizing that the AOO is crashing to do several things: word of
correction, close the page, open the AOO own.
That's just me or a bug to be fixed?
Albino
Re: Bug in AOO 3.4.1 on the Fedora 18
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
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On 1/23/13 9:04 AM, Jrgen Schmidt wrote:
> On 1/23/13 1:13 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
>> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 09:38:39PM -0200, Albino Biasutti Neto
>> wrote:
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> 2013/1/22 Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>:
>>>> I don't have a fedora18 to test right now, but installing
>>>> OpenOffice in fedora requires to blacklist LO. If you didn't
>>>> so, then it might happen that your installation is broken.
>>>
>>> The first command in fedora 18 was yum remove libreoffice-*
>>> ;-)
>>>
>
>> It's not enough to remove LO, at least in all previous fedora
>> versions, you have to blacklist lo in /etc/yum.conf with a line
>
>> exclude=libreoffice*
>
>> otherwise, when updating lo's ure will obsolete aoo-ure, and thus
>> replace it.
>
> I think this is one further reason to eliminate the dump 3 layer
dump = dumb
> directory structure which is totally obsolete and make things only
> complicate.
>
> Currently we have the URE, basis and brand layer which is the
> result of some cleaver thinking of some product managers to have
> multiple
cleaver = clever
I need more coffee ;-)
> offices installed on the same machine. Multiple offices that are
> based on OpenOffice and are only different in the brand layer. I
> think a scenario which is very seldom and if somebody need it, it
> should be fine to duplicate the file.
>
> The best time would be now for 4.0 but I see a timing problem. I
> will start a new thread where we can start a discussion on this
> topic and maybe some interested people want to join such a cleanup
> effort.
>
> New thread is on the way ... please continue in the new thread.
>
> Juergen
>
>
>
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Re: Bug in AOO 3.4.1 on the Fedora 18
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
On 1/24/13 4:08 AM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak wrote:
>
> On 01/23/2013 03:04 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
>> I think this is one further reason to eliminate the dump 3 layer
>> directory structure which is totally obsolete and make things only
>> complicate.
>>
>> Currently we have the URE, basis and brand layer which is the result
>> of some cleaver thinking of some product managers to have multiple
>> offices installed on the same machine. Multiple offices that are based
>> on OpenOffice and are only different in the brand layer. I think a
>> scenario which is very seldom and if somebody need it, it should be
>> fine to duplicate the file.
> Running both on my Fedora box has been a common thing with no problems.
> Are you proposing removing the ability?
It is fine to have multiple office installations, the point is that I
don't want to share the base layer anymore and keep it separately. No
URE, no base layer, everything consolidated.
Our friends from LO have reworked this already, but they kept the URE. I
am tending to go one step further and remove the URE layer in the office
as well. I think it was one of the first action Stephan did for LO ;-)
He had the advantage that he knew exactly what to do because he had to
integrate it on advice of his former manager.
Juergen
Re: Bug in AOO 3.4.1 on the Fedora 18
Posted by Andrew Douglas Pitonyak <an...@pitonyak.org>.
On 01/23/2013 03:04 AM, Jürgen Schmidt wrote:
> I think this is one further reason to eliminate the dump 3 layer
> directory structure which is totally obsolete and make things only
> complicate.
>
> Currently we have the URE, basis and brand layer which is the result
> of some cleaver thinking of some product managers to have multiple
> offices installed on the same machine. Multiple offices that are based
> on OpenOffice and are only different in the brand layer. I think a
> scenario which is very seldom and if somebody need it, it should be
> fine to duplicate the file.
Running both on my Fedora box has been a common thing with no problems.
Are you proposing removing the ability?
--
Andrew Pitonyak
My Macro Document: http://www.pitonyak.org/AndrewMacro.odt
Info: http://www.pitonyak.org/oo.php
Re: Bug in AOO 3.4.1 on the Fedora 18
Posted by Jürgen Schmidt <jo...@gmail.com>.
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On 1/23/13 1:13 AM, Ariel Constenla-Haile wrote:
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 09:38:39PM -0200, Albino Biasutti Neto
> wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> 2013/1/22 Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>:
>>> I don't have a fedora18 to test right now, but installing
>>> OpenOffice in fedora requires to blacklist LO. If you didn't
>>> so, then it might happen that your installation is broken.
>>
>> The first command in fedora 18 was yum remove libreoffice-* ;-)
>>
>
> It's not enough to remove LO, at least in all previous fedora
> versions, you have to blacklist lo in /etc/yum.conf with a line
>
> exclude=libreoffice*
>
> otherwise, when updating lo's ure will obsolete aoo-ure, and thus
> replace it.
I think this is one further reason to eliminate the dump 3 layer
directory structure which is totally obsolete and make things only
complicate.
Currently we have the URE, basis and brand layer which is the result
of some cleaver thinking of some product managers to have multiple
offices installed on the same machine. Multiple offices that are based
on OpenOffice and are only different in the brand layer. I think a
scenario which is very seldom and if somebody need it, it should be
fine to duplicate the file.
The best time would be now for 4.0 but I see a timing problem. I will
start a new thread where we can start a discussion on this topic and
maybe some interested people want to join such a cleanup effort.
New thread is on the way ... please continue in the new thread.
Juergen
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Re: Bug in AOO 3.4.1 on the Fedora 18
Posted by RGB ES <rg...@gmail.com>.
2013/1/24 Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>
> On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
> <ar...@apache.org> wrote:
> >
> > It's not enough to remove LO, at least in all previous fedora versions,
> > you have to blacklist lo in /etc/yum.conf with a line
> >
> > exclude=libreoffice*
>
> Sorry for nitpicking. But should this be automated as part of the
> install? maybe show a little dialog saying "we´ve detected that your
> system is configured to use a piece of software that is incompatible
> with AOO. Want the installer to automatically disable it so that AOO
> can install? [Yes/No]"
>
The problem is not LibO, but the modified LibO version delivered by Fedora.
AOO and the official build of LibO can live together without problems.
But first of all, removing other's software is not a nice action...
>
> The curse of the Linux world is the "tutorials" that tell users how to
> do things by editing certain files, and installers that, having known
> for years that such manual procedures are required, do not make the
> slightest effort to automate the process.
>
That's depends on the distro: openSUSE and Mandriva makes those thing quite
easy. I cannot remember the last time I manually edited a config file.
Regards
Ricardo
>
> FC
>
>
> --
> During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a
> revolutionary act
> Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
> Acto Revolucionario
> - George Orwell
>
Re: Bug in AOO 3.4.1 on the Fedora 18
Posted by Fernando Cassia <fc...@gmail.com>.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 9:13 PM, Ariel Constenla-Haile
<ar...@apache.org> wrote:
>
> It's not enough to remove LO, at least in all previous fedora versions,
> you have to blacklist lo in /etc/yum.conf with a line
>
> exclude=libreoffice*
Sorry for nitpicking. But should this be automated as part of the
install? maybe show a little dialog saying "we´ve detected that your
system is configured to use a piece of software that is incompatible
with AOO. Want the installer to automatically disable it so that AOO
can install? [Yes/No]"
The curse of the Linux world is the "tutorials" that tell users how to
do things by editing certain files, and installers that, having known
for years that such manual procedures are required, do not make the
slightest effort to automate the process.
FC
--
During times of Universal Deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act
Durante épocas de Engaño Universal, decir la verdad se convierte en un
Acto Revolucionario
- George Orwell
Re: Bug in AOO 3.4.1 on the Fedora 18
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 09:38:39PM -0200, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
> Hi
>
> 2013/1/22 Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>:
> > I don't have a fedora18 to test right now, but installing OpenOffice in
> > fedora requires to blacklist LO. If you didn't so, then it might happen
> > that your installation is broken.
>
> The first command in fedora 18 was yum remove libreoffice-* ;-)
>
It's not enough to remove LO, at least in all previous fedora versions,
you have to blacklist lo in /etc/yum.conf with a line
exclude=libreoffice*
otherwise, when updating lo's ure will obsolete aoo-ure, and thus
replace it.
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina
Re: Bug in AOO 3.4.1 on the Fedora 18
Posted by Kay Schenk <ka...@gmail.com>.
On 01/22/2013 03:38 PM, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
> Hi
>
> 2013/1/22 Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>:
>> I don't have a fedora18 to test right now, but installing OpenOffice in
>> fedora requires to blacklist LO. If you didn't so, then it might happen
>> that your installation is broken.
>
> The first command in fedora 18 was yum remove libreoffice-* ;-)
>
>> Try running AOO from the command line, and see the output when it
>> crashes, it might give a clue.
>
> I reboot in the pc, it seems to me better.
>
> Albino
>
Albino--
I don't use Fedora, but we have a link to How to Install on Fedora 16/17
that might be of use on the Linux install doc on the wiki:
http://wiki.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/FAQ/Installation/How_do_I_install_OpenOffice.org_on_Linux%3F
--
------------------------------------------------------------------------
MzK
"No act of kindness, no matter how small, is ever wasted."
-- Aesop
Re: Bug in AOO 3.4.1 on the Fedora 18
Posted by Albino Biasutti Neto <bi...@apache.org>.
Hi
2013/1/22 Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>:
> I don't have a fedora18 to test right now, but installing OpenOffice in
> fedora requires to blacklist LO. If you didn't so, then it might happen
> that your installation is broken.
The first command in fedora 18 was yum remove libreoffice-* ;-)
> Try running AOO from the command line, and see the output when it
> crashes, it might give a clue.
I reboot in the pc, it seems to me better.
Albino
Re: Bug in AOO 3.4.1 on the Fedora 18
Posted by Ariel Constenla-Haile <ar...@apache.org>.
On Tue, Jan 22, 2013 at 03:49:15PM -0200, Albino Biasutti Neto wrote:
> I am using Fedora 18 and AOO 3.4.1
>
> Realizing that the AOO is crashing to do several things: word of
> correction, close the page, open the AOO own.
>
> That's just me or a bug to be fixed?
I don't have a fedora18 to test right now, but installing OpenOffice in
fedora requires to blacklist LO. If you didn't so, then it might happen
that your installation is broken.
Try running AOO from the command line, and see the output when it
crashes, it might give a clue.
Regards
--
Ariel Constenla-Haile
La Plata, Argentina