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EOL for Tomcat 9.X ?
Management is asking me if there is an end of life for Tomcat 9 reported. I
don't see anything on the tomcat web site.
Thanks,
--
Bob
Re: OT Developer Praise - was Re: EOL for Tomcat 9.X ?
Posted by Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net>.
Olaf,
On 10/22/19 12:17, Olaf Kock wrote:
>
> On 22.10.19 17:56, Michael Osipov wrote:
>> Am 2019-10-22 um 16:43 schrieb Christopher Schultz:
>>>
>>> So Tomcat 9 is looking good for aother 10 years at this point.
>>
>> ...and this is the reason why I appreciate the Tomcat devs' work. I
>> can simply stick to a version and virtually forget about compat issues.
>>
> For me the reason is that I've never worried which version to pick:
> Always picked the latest available and never ran into issues where the
> newer version was imposing problems when used instead of the earlier
> version. And that includes major version upgrades
FWIW, I'm a (minor) Tomcat developer and I move VERY slowly. When I
joined the list back in 2013, I was running Tomcat 4.something. Between
then and now, I upgraded to each and every major version of Tomcat that
was available only after about a year of testing in development.
When I started my upgrade march, I think Tomcat 7 was just about to be
released. That's when I upgraded to Tomcat 5.0 (or maybe I skipped to
5.5). Then 6.0, then 7.0, then 8.0, and only with our most recent major
release -- about a year ago -- did we move to 8.5.
We are looking at 9.0, now, but it's not actually in any testing
environments at this point.
We only use standard servlet-2.0-style stuff so we aren't upgrading for
any new features like Websocket, async, etc.
> Big Thank You!
I'll be at B-Sides DC this weekend if anyone wants to buy me a beer. :)
-chris
PS They just released the dev preview of Java 14. I'm already 6 versions
behind....
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Re: OT Developer Praise - was Re: EOL for Tomcat 9.X ?
Posted by Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net>.
Olaf,
On 10/22/19 12:17, Olaf Kock wrote:
>
> On 22.10.19 17:56, Michael Osipov wrote:
>> Am 2019-10-22 um 16:43 schrieb Christopher Schultz:
>>>
>>> So Tomcat 9 is looking good for aother 10 years at this point.
>>
>> ...and this is the reason why I appreciate the Tomcat devs' work. I
>> can simply stick to a version and virtually forget about compat issues.
>>
> For me the reason is that I've never worried which version to pick:
> Always picked the latest available and never ran into issues where the
> newer version was imposing problems when used instead of the earlier
> version. And that includes major version upgrades
FWIW, I'm a (minor) Tomcat developer and I move VERY slowly. When I
joined the list back in 2013, I was running Tomcat 4.something. Between
then and now, I upgraded to each and every major version of Tomcat that
was available only after about a year of testing in development.
When I started my upgrade march, I think Tomcat 7 was just about to be
released. That's when I upgraded to Tomcat 5.0 (or maybe I skipped to
5.5). Then 6.0, then 7.0, then 8.0, and only with our most recent major
release -- about a year ago -- did we move to 8.5.
We are looking at 9.0, now, but it's not actually in any testing
environments at this point.
We only use standard servlet-2.0-style stuff so we aren't upgrading for
any new features like Websocket, async, etc.
> Big Thank You!
I'll be at B-Sides DC this weekend if anyone wants to buy me a beer. :)
-chris
PS They just released the dev preview of Java 14. I'm already 6 versions
behind....
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OT Developer Praise - was Re: EOL for Tomcat 9.X ?
Posted by Olaf Kock <to...@olafkock.de>.
On 22.10.19 17:56, Michael Osipov wrote:
> Am 2019-10-22 um 16:43 schrieb Christopher Schultz:
>>
>> So Tomcat 9 is looking good for aother 10 years at this point.
>
> ...and this is the reason why I appreciate the Tomcat devs' work. I
> can simply stick to a version and virtually forget about compat issues.
>
For me the reason is that I've never worried which version to pick:
Always picked the latest available and never ran into issues where the
newer version was imposing problems when used instead of the earlier
version. And that includes major version upgrades
Big Thank You!
Olaf
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Re: EOL for Tomcat 9.X ?
Posted by Michael Osipov <mi...@apache.org>.
Am 2019-10-22 um 16:43 schrieb Christopher Schultz:
> Robert,
>
> On 10/18/19 11:46, Robert Hicks wrote:
>> Thanks!
>
> Further, releases of the servlet spec seem to be published approximately
> every 4 years in recent memory[1]. Tomcat 9 implements spec version 4.0,
> released in Sept 2017. If that version is superseded twice and history
> is a guide, then version 6.0 of the spec will be released sometime in 2025.
>
> At that point, Tomcat 11 will be the new state-of-the-art, but Tomcat 9
> will still be supported, along with Tomcat 10 as well. When servlet 7.0
> is announced (2029), we'll probably start looking for an EOL schedule
> for Tomcat 9, which will be at least 12 months away from the publication
> of servlet 7.0.
>
> So Tomcat 9 is looking good for aother 10 years at this point.
...and this is the reason why I appreciate the Tomcat devs' work. I can
simply stick to a version and virtually forget about compat issues.
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Re: EOL for Tomcat 9.X ?
Posted by Christopher Schultz <ch...@christopherschultz.net>.
Robert,
On 10/18/19 11:46, Robert Hicks wrote:
> Thanks!
Further, releases of the servlet spec seem to be published approximately
every 4 years in recent memory[1]. Tomcat 9 implements spec version 4.0,
released in Sept 2017. If that version is superseded twice and history
is a guide, then version 6.0 of the spec will be released sometime in 2025.
At that point, Tomcat 11 will be the new state-of-the-art, but Tomcat 9
will still be supported, along with Tomcat 10 as well. When servlet 7.0
is announced (2029), we'll probably start looking for an EOL schedule
for Tomcat 9, which will be at least 12 months away from the publication
of servlet 7.0.
So Tomcat 9 is looking good for aother 10 years at this point.
No promises :)
-chris
[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Java_servlet#History
> On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:41 AM Olaf Kock <to...@olafkock.de> wrote:
>
>>
>> On 18.10.19 17:25, Robert Hicks wrote:
>>> Management is asking me if there is an end of life for Tomcat 9
>> reported. I
>>> don't see anything on the tomcat web site.
>>
>> Mark recently answered this to a the same question for Tomcat 8.5:
>>
>>
>> There is no official date.
>>
>> The Tomcat project maintains 3 major versions in parallel. Currently
>> these are:
>> - 9.0.x
>> - 8.5.x
>> - 7.0.x
>>
>> We always provide at least 12 months notice of EOL.
>>
>> Major releases are aligned with releases of the Servlet specification.
>> The current timetable for the next Servlet spec is TBD.
>>
>> We haven't even announced EOL for 7.0.x yet so you have:
>> - x years until Tomcat 10 / Servlet 4.next is released
>> - 1 year for 7.0.x EOL
>> - y years until Tomcat 11 / Servlet 4.next+1 is released
>> - 1 year for 8.5.x EOL
>>
>> Taking low estimates for x and y of 1 and 2 respectively, you have at
>> least 5 years before 8.5.x is EOL.
>>
>> Take that figure as an "Engineering Estimate". Also known as a "wild
>> guess".
>>
>>
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Re: EOL for Tomcat 9.X ?
Posted by Robert Hicks <ro...@gmail.com>.
Thanks!
--
Bob
On Fri, Oct 18, 2019 at 11:41 AM Olaf Kock <to...@olafkock.de> wrote:
>
> On 18.10.19 17:25, Robert Hicks wrote:
> > Management is asking me if there is an end of life for Tomcat 9
> reported. I
> > don't see anything on the tomcat web site.
>
> Mark recently answered this to a the same question for Tomcat 8.5:
>
>
> There is no official date.
>
> The Tomcat project maintains 3 major versions in parallel. Currently
> these are:
> - 9.0.x
> - 8.5.x
> - 7.0.x
>
> We always provide at least 12 months notice of EOL.
>
> Major releases are aligned with releases of the Servlet specification.
> The current timetable for the next Servlet spec is TBD.
>
> We haven't even announced EOL for 7.0.x yet so you have:
> - x years until Tomcat 10 / Servlet 4.next is released
> - 1 year for 7.0.x EOL
> - y years until Tomcat 11 / Servlet 4.next+1 is released
> - 1 year for 8.5.x EOL
>
> Taking low estimates for x and y of 1 and 2 respectively, you have at
> least 5 years before 8.5.x is EOL.
>
> Take that figure as an "Engineering Estimate". Also known as a "wild
> guess".
>
>
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Re: EOL for Tomcat 9.X ?
Posted by Olaf Kock <to...@olafkock.de>.
On 18.10.19 17:25, Robert Hicks wrote:
> Management is asking me if there is an end of life for Tomcat 9 reported. I
> don't see anything on the tomcat web site.
Mark recently answered this to a the same question for Tomcat 8.5:
There is no official date.
The Tomcat project maintains 3 major versions in parallel. Currently
these are:
- 9.0.x
- 8.5.x
- 7.0.x
We always provide at least 12 months notice of EOL.
Major releases are aligned with releases of the Servlet specification.
The current timetable for the next Servlet spec is TBD.
We haven't even announced EOL for 7.0.x yet so you have:
- x years until Tomcat 10 / Servlet 4.next is released
- 1 year for 7.0.x EOL
- y years until Tomcat 11 / Servlet 4.next+1 is released
- 1 year for 8.5.x EOL
Taking low estimates for x and y of 1 and 2 respectively, you have at
least 5 years before 8.5.x is EOL.
Take that figure as an "Engineering Estimate". Also known as a "wild guess".
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