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Posted to dev@avalon.apache.org by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org> on 2004/03/10 08:43:37 UTC

Re: Depot vs Avalon Repository

J Aaron Farr wrote:

> Hello!
> 
> I've been trying to get a handle on all the "repository" stuff going on in the
> ASF and I'm wondering if someone wouldn't mind filling me in. :)
> 
>>>From what I understand we have:
> 
>   ASF Repository   -- has a mailing list.  Is mostly concerned with the
>                       repository "spec" : url's, format, etc.  No website?

It's a list where all repository efforts can collaborate, and where 
discussions about repo infrastructure at Apache take place. Basically 
it's a specialization of infrastructure@a.o

>   Depot @Incubator  - tools for using the Repository spec.  Includes Ruper
>                       (not very familiar) and anything else?

Also Version (for versioning).

>   Repository @Avalon- A tool for downloading artifacts from a maven-style
>                       repository.  Can also make classloaders and use 
>                       Factories.  http://avalon.apache.org/repository/
> 
> Mostly I'm interested in the connection between Avalon's repository project and
> Depot.  Are we duplicating effort here?  

Probably.

> Is there room for some collaboration? 

Yes at the very least.

> Are the goals the same?

AFAIK mostly overlapping.

There had been some discussion with some Avaloners about this before, 
when we discussed on the spec.

Concrete proposal if the Avalon Repository effort is willing: we would 
be happy to completely merge efforts in the overlapping bits, create 
extra codebases in Depot for other bits that we don't have and that come 
from Avalon Repo, and make Avalon Repo devs part of the Incubator Depot 
Project.

If Repo@Avalon is willing, we would be happy to welcome them here in a 
unified effort, as this has been part of the plan all along. Sorry for 
not contacting you guys before, we are still ramping up ourselves.

-- 
Nicola Ken Barozzi                   nicolaken@apache.org
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Re: Depot vs Avalon Repository

Posted by Nicola Ken Barozzi <ni...@apache.org>.
Mark R. Diggory wrote:

> I'd like to also add that there is also a duplication of content between 
> the "Avalon Repository" and the contents of the 
> /www/www.apache.org/dist/java-repository (Maven Repository) which are 
> used to publish all Apache content now to www.ibiblio.org/maven and 
> provide alternative mirrors of the Apache Maven Repository content.
> 
> I believe we (repository) are now considering this as an option for the 
> starting point for the ASF Repository?

Personally I say yes. My opinion is that since Ruper can use that 
repository already there is no reason why not take advantage of it now 
and move one step at a time. IMHO the move to use the new repository@a.o 
proposed layout can happen at a later phase, all in synch.

-- 
Nicola Ken Barozzi                   nicolaken@apache.org
             - verba volant, scripta manent -
    (discussions get forgotten, just code remains)
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Re: Depot vs Avalon Repository

Posted by "Mark R. Diggory" <md...@latte.harvard.edu>.
I'd like to also add that there is also a duplication of content between 
the "Avalon Repository" and the contents of the 
/www/www.apache.org/dist/java-repository (Maven Repository) which are 
used to publish all Apache content now to www.ibiblio.org/maven and 
provide alternative mirrors of the Apache Maven Repository content.

I believe we (repository) are now considering this as an option for the 
starting point for the ASF Repository?

-Mark

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> 
> J Aaron Farr wrote:
> 
>> Hello!
>>
>> I've been trying to get a handle on all the "repository" stuff going 
>> on in the
>> ASF and I'm wondering if someone wouldn't mind filling me in. :)
>>
>>> From what I understand we have:
>>
>>
>>   ASF Repository   -- has a mailing list.  Is mostly concerned with the
>>                       repository "spec" : url's, format, etc.  No 
>> website?
> 
> 
> It's a list where all repository efforts can collaborate, and where 
> discussions about repo infrastructure at Apache take place. Basically 
> it's a specialization of infrastructure@a.o
> 
>>   Depot @Incubator  - tools for using the Repository spec.  Includes 
>> Ruper
>>                       (not very familiar) and anything else?
> 
> 
> Also Version (for versioning).
> 
>>   Repository @Avalon- A tool for downloading artifacts from a maven-style
>>                       repository.  Can also make classloaders and use 
>>                       Factories.  http://avalon.apache.org/repository/
>>
>> Mostly I'm interested in the connection between Avalon's repository 
>> project and
>> Depot.  Are we duplicating effort here?  
> 
> 
> Probably.
> 
>> Is there room for some collaboration? 
> 
> 
> Yes at the very least.
> 
>> Are the goals the same?
> 
> 
> AFAIK mostly overlapping.
> 
> There had been some discussion with some Avaloners about this before, 
> when we discussed on the spec.
> 
> Concrete proposal if the Avalon Repository effort is willing: we would 
> be happy to completely merge efforts in the overlapping bits, create 
> extra codebases in Depot for other bits that we don't have and that come 
> from Avalon Repo, and make Avalon Repo devs part of the Incubator Depot 
> Project.
> 
> If Repo@Avalon is willing, we would be happy to welcome them here in a 
> unified effort, as this has been part of the plan all along. Sorry for 
> not contacting you guys before, we are still ramping up ourselves.
> 

-- 
Mark Diggory
Software Developer
Harvard MIT Data Center
http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu

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Re: Depot vs Avalon Repository

Posted by "Mark R. Diggory" <md...@latte.harvard.edu>.
I'd like to also add that there is also a duplication of content between 
the "Avalon Repository" and the contents of the 
/www/www.apache.org/dist/java-repository (Maven Repository) which are 
used to publish all Apache content now to www.ibiblio.org/maven and 
provide alternative mirrors of the Apache Maven Repository content.

I believe we (repository) are now considering this as an option for the 
starting point for the ASF Repository?

-Mark

Nicola Ken Barozzi wrote:
> 
> J Aaron Farr wrote:
> 
>> Hello!
>>
>> I've been trying to get a handle on all the "repository" stuff going 
>> on in the
>> ASF and I'm wondering if someone wouldn't mind filling me in. :)
>>
>>> From what I understand we have:
>>
>>
>>   ASF Repository   -- has a mailing list.  Is mostly concerned with the
>>                       repository "spec" : url's, format, etc.  No 
>> website?
> 
> 
> It's a list where all repository efforts can collaborate, and where 
> discussions about repo infrastructure at Apache take place. Basically 
> it's a specialization of infrastructure@a.o
> 
>>   Depot @Incubator  - tools for using the Repository spec.  Includes 
>> Ruper
>>                       (not very familiar) and anything else?
> 
> 
> Also Version (for versioning).
> 
>>   Repository @Avalon- A tool for downloading artifacts from a maven-style
>>                       repository.  Can also make classloaders and use 
>>                       Factories.  http://avalon.apache.org/repository/
>>
>> Mostly I'm interested in the connection between Avalon's repository 
>> project and
>> Depot.  Are we duplicating effort here?  
> 
> 
> Probably.
> 
>> Is there room for some collaboration? 
> 
> 
> Yes at the very least.
> 
>> Are the goals the same?
> 
> 
> AFAIK mostly overlapping.
> 
> There had been some discussion with some Avaloners about this before, 
> when we discussed on the spec.
> 
> Concrete proposal if the Avalon Repository effort is willing: we would 
> be happy to completely merge efforts in the overlapping bits, create 
> extra codebases in Depot for other bits that we don't have and that come 
> from Avalon Repo, and make Avalon Repo devs part of the Incubator Depot 
> Project.
> 
> If Repo@Avalon is willing, we would be happy to welcome them here in a 
> unified effort, as this has been part of the plan all along. Sorry for 
> not contacting you guys before, we are still ramping up ourselves.
> 

-- 
Mark Diggory
Software Developer
Harvard MIT Data Center
http://www.hmdc.harvard.edu