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New (german) site
Hello,
just a few days ago, I've deployed our new soaring-club site, based
on Cocoon 1.8. It would be nice if you published it on your Live-Sites
page. The URL is
http://www.segelflug.de/vereine/blaubeuren
Thanks a lot and best regards
Tobias Vollmer
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Re: How do you build your XSLs?
Posted by Oskar Werewka <ow...@poczta.onet.pl>.
I am using a king of notepad, but you would not be happy with this answer ;(
>Yes, what you say makes lots of sense, but still doesn't answer the
>question... :(
>How exactly do you write your XSLT files??
>
>Just a thought, though: the basic features of XSLT can be mastered by a
>non-programmer. It's not that hard. So, IMHO, there can be a tool that can
>do that too... (master XSLT basic features).
>
>
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: "Gritsenko" <gr...@home.com>
>To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
>Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:34 PM
>Subject: Re: How do you build your XSLs?
>
>
> > XSL is a programming language in fact. XSL programs scan XML and output
> > something visual or not,
> > Tools that could help should be akin to IDEs like JBuilder.
> >
> > If there is any future for XSL tools, only IDE vendors could creates such
> > tools.
> > So far they do not see wide demand for these I guess.
> >
> > Do I make any sense at all?
> >
> > Viktor
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tibi DONDERA" <ti...@yahoo.com>
> > To: <co...@xml.apache.org>; <to...@gliderpilot.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:58 PM
> > Subject: How do you build your XSLs?
> >
> >
> > > Just wondering...
> > >
> > > What tools do you use to build your XSL files? Normally, these files
> > should
> > > be written by the graphic crew, but I just didn't find any graphician
>who
> > > knows or who is willing to learn XSL.
> > > So for now, I just take the Html files these guys are doing, and I
> > manually
> > > convert them to XSL... This does not really complies with the separation
> > > concept in Cocoon... :(
> > >
> > > Anybody else has another approach?
> > >
> > > Tiberiu Dondera
> > >
> > >
> > >
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Re: How do you build your XSLs?
Posted by Ross Burton <r....@180sw.com>.
On 19 Jun 2001 17:13:34 +0400, Piroumian, Konstantin wrote:
> > OK, Kot, that's a good idea - to integrate XMLSpy with Xalan as
> > transformer - I din't know it's possible - I should try that.
>
> Problems with XML Spy begin when you are editing XSP pages - you have to
> write all that Java code as text and you have no syntax highlighting, no
> code insight and all other things that makes Java programming easier with
> IDEs.
> Are there any editor which support XSP/JSP like mixed syntax?
I use the One True Editor, also knows as XEmacs. In psgml mode it
offers syntax highlighting and auto-completion (pressing control-/
closes the current tag).
There is a mode called MMM (which I have yet to try) which allows
multiple major modes in a single document. The example provided is HTML
mode for the initial document, with JavaScript mode inside <script> tags
and CSS mode inside css blocks. In theory it should be possible to
create a definition for MMM where the main document is in XML mode, but
inside certain nodes (such as xsp:logic) Java mode is activated. This
would allow full syntax highlighting/indentation and symantic help in
both the XML and Java sections.
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Re: How do you build your XSLs?
Posted by Peter Royal <pr...@managingpartners.com>.
At 05:13 PM 6/19/2001 +0400, you wrote:
>Problems with XML Spy begin when you are editing XSP pages - you have to
>write all that Java code as text and you have no syntax highlighting, no
>code insight and all other things that makes Java programming easier with
>IDEs.
>Are there any editor which support XSP/JSP like mixed syntax?
Not that I know of. We use XML Spy here for our XML/XSLT/XSP work. I've
been following the trend that the logicsheets that are shipped with C2 use,
which is to move most of the java code into a class module with static
methods, and just put simple function calls in the logicsheet. That way
you can write your class module in your favorite java IDE with all the
bells and whistles, and you have minimized the amount of java code in your
logicsheet.
If you find that you do have an overwhelming need to put a decent amount of
java code directly into the logicsheet, maybe JBuilder 5 has support for
that. I know that they do ship a version of C1 with the program, and maybe
it had support for XSP. As a last resort you could always use a JSP editor,
and use the JSP syntax for editing, and then change the JSP code-marker
tags to the XSP tags when you save the file. I think that'd be a PITA though.
As a last resort, if you want to invest a small amount of time into making
a solution for yourself, would be to check out the "Multiple Major Modes"
package for Emacs (http://mmm-mode.sourceforge.net/). I'm sure Emacs has
good support for Java code and XML (syntax highlighting for sure, but I'm
uncertain about code insight-type features), and using the MMM package you
can have multiple modes active in a single buffer. It was original designed
for use with the HTML::Mason perl package, which uses markers like <%perl>
and </%perl> to delimit code sections. I'm sure you could modify it to
check on <xsp:logic> and <xsp:expr>. With about 30m of work I was able to
get it to work decently with XPathScript, a perl-and-XML language for the
AxKit project.
Hope this helps :)
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Re: How do you build your XSLs?
Posted by "Piroumian, Konstantin" <KP...@flagship.ru>.
> OK, Kot, that's a good idea - to integrate XMLSpy with Xalan as
> transformer - I din't know it's possible - I should try that.
Problems with XML Spy begin when you are editing XSP pages - you have to
write all that Java code as text and you have no syntax highlighting, no
code insight and all other things that makes Java programming easier with
IDEs.
Are there any editor which support XSP/JSP like mixed syntax?
> I already installed Stylus, but didn't activate the eval license yet.
I played a little with Sylus - it looks much better than it was when I saq
it the first time and it supports Xalan-J too.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Piroumian, Konstantin" <KP...@flagship.ru>
> To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:00 AM
> Subject: Re: How do you build your XSLs?
>
>
> > > I personally edit XSL in XMLSpy eval version, the only functionality
of
> > > XMLSpy I use is XML validation, sp I don't miss a tag or closing
bracket
> > or
> > > something like that. Otherwise, Notepad is as good a tool for editing
> XSL.
> > >
> > > Then I run this XSL in pair with data-containing XML through Web
browser
> > > through Cocoon and watch the output in Adobe Acrobat.
> > >
> > > Then I make corrections in XSL and run it again.
> >
> > Why don't you use XML Spy for transformation too? You can setup it to
use
> > Xalan as the transformer. IE transformer is supported by default.
> > I use XML Spy 3.5 (registered version) to maintain all the xml, xsl and
> even
> > html files in the project. Although, it is not a visual XSL editor, it
> makes
> > XSL programming very convenient by all that automaticaly closing tags,
tag
> > hints etc.
> >
> > >
> > > In parallel, I read :
> > > Professional XML by Wrox Publishers
> > > Zvon.org website
> > > for XSLT and XSL:FO
> > > details.
> > >
> > > If there were an XSL IDE tool, it should take reading of these two
> sources
> > > out of the process
> > > (in other words, it should sense XSL and XSL:Fo syntax and prompt for
> it,
> > > like autocomplete words, etc.)
> > >
> > > To return to your question, I did'nt found anything resembling this
> > > imaginary tool, thus I doubt it exists at all.
> >
> > Take a look at the eXelon Styles. It is advertised as "The most
> > sophisticated XSLT editor on the market":
http://www.stylusstudio.com/eval
> >
> > >
> > > I doubt anybody will write this kind of tool, since the need in it is
> not
> > > manifesting itself clearly.
> > > It's like, hello, we have a new programming language, forget Java, we
> need
> > > tools for it - and it's called XSL. How many people need it? Not 5 or
6
> > > million, like Java or VB developers.
> >
> > I can remeber at least 5 or 6 XSL tools just now and I think you'll find
> > much more tools if search for them. The problem is that XSL was
> standartized
> > only about 6 months ago.
> >
> > Konstantin
> >
> > > Sounds childish today, but will be more obvious in two years or so.
> > >
> > >
> > > Viktor
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tibi DONDERA" <ti...@hotmail.com>
> > > To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 5:07 PM
> > > Subject: Re: How do you build your XSLs?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Yes, what you say makes lots of sense, but still doesn't answer the
> > > > question... :(
> > > > How exactly do you write your XSLT files??
> > > >
> > > > Just a thought, though: the basic features of XSLT can be mastered
by
> a
> > > > non-programmer. It's not that hard. So, IMHO, there can be a tool
that
> > can
> > > > do that too... (master XSLT basic features).
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Gritsenko" <gr...@home.com>
> > > > To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:34 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: How do you build your XSLs?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > XSL is a programming language in fact. XSL programs scan XML and
> > output
> > > > > something visual or not,
> > > > > Tools that could help should be akin to IDEs like JBuilder.
> > > > >
> > > > > If there is any future for XSL tools, only IDE vendors could
creates
> > > such
> > > > > tools.
> > > > > So far they do not see wide demand for these I guess.
> > > > >
> > > > > Do I make any sense at all?
> > > > >
> > > > > Viktor
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Tibi DONDERA" <ti...@yahoo.com>
> > > > > To: <co...@xml.apache.org>; <to...@gliderpilot.net>
> > > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:58 PM
> > > > > Subject: How do you build your XSLs?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > > Just wondering...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What tools do you use to build your XSL files? Normally, these
> files
> > > > > should
> > > > > > be written by the graphic crew, but I just didn't find any
> > graphician
> > > > who
> > > > > > knows or who is willing to learn XSL.
> > > > > > So for now, I just take the Html files these guys are doing, and
I
> > > > > manually
> > > > > > convert them to XSL... This does not really complies with the
> > > separation
> > > > > > concept in Cocoon... :(
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Anybody else has another approach?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Tiberiu Dondera
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
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Re: How do you build your XSLs?
Posted by Gritsenko <gr...@home.com>.
OK, Kot, that's a good idea - to integrate XMLSpy with Xalan as
transformer - I din't know it's possible - I should try that.
I already installed Stylus, but didn't activate the eval license yet.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Piroumian, Konstantin" <KP...@flagship.ru>
To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Monday, June 18, 2001 8:00 AM
Subject: Re: How do you build your XSLs?
> > I personally edit XSL in XMLSpy eval version, the only functionality of
> > XMLSpy I use is XML validation, sp I don't miss a tag or closing bracket
> or
> > something like that. Otherwise, Notepad is as good a tool for editing
XSL.
> >
> > Then I run this XSL in pair with data-containing XML through Web browser
> > through Cocoon and watch the output in Adobe Acrobat.
> >
> > Then I make corrections in XSL and run it again.
>
> Why don't you use XML Spy for transformation too? You can setup it to use
> Xalan as the transformer. IE transformer is supported by default.
> I use XML Spy 3.5 (registered version) to maintain all the xml, xsl and
even
> html files in the project. Although, it is not a visual XSL editor, it
makes
> XSL programming very convenient by all that automaticaly closing tags, tag
> hints etc.
>
> >
> > In parallel, I read :
> > Professional XML by Wrox Publishers
> > Zvon.org website
> > for XSLT and XSL:FO
> > details.
> >
> > If there were an XSL IDE tool, it should take reading of these two
sources
> > out of the process
> > (in other words, it should sense XSL and XSL:Fo syntax and prompt for
it,
> > like autocomplete words, etc.)
> >
> > To return to your question, I did'nt found anything resembling this
> > imaginary tool, thus I doubt it exists at all.
>
> Take a look at the eXelon Styles. It is advertised as "The most
> sophisticated XSLT editor on the market": http://www.stylusstudio.com/eval
>
> >
> > I doubt anybody will write this kind of tool, since the need in it is
not
> > manifesting itself clearly.
> > It's like, hello, we have a new programming language, forget Java, we
need
> > tools for it - and it's called XSL. How many people need it? Not 5 or 6
> > million, like Java or VB developers.
>
> I can remeber at least 5 or 6 XSL tools just now and I think you'll find
> much more tools if search for them. The problem is that XSL was
standartized
> only about 6 months ago.
>
> Konstantin
>
> > Sounds childish today, but will be more obvious in two years or so.
> >
> >
> > Viktor
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tibi DONDERA" <ti...@hotmail.com>
> > To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 5:07 PM
> > Subject: Re: How do you build your XSLs?
> >
> >
> > > Yes, what you say makes lots of sense, but still doesn't answer the
> > > question... :(
> > > How exactly do you write your XSLT files??
> > >
> > > Just a thought, though: the basic features of XSLT can be mastered by
a
> > > non-programmer. It's not that hard. So, IMHO, there can be a tool that
> can
> > > do that too... (master XSLT basic features).
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Gritsenko" <gr...@home.com>
> > > To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:34 PM
> > > Subject: Re: How do you build your XSLs?
> > >
> > >
> > > > XSL is a programming language in fact. XSL programs scan XML and
> output
> > > > something visual or not,
> > > > Tools that could help should be akin to IDEs like JBuilder.
> > > >
> > > > If there is any future for XSL tools, only IDE vendors could creates
> > such
> > > > tools.
> > > > So far they do not see wide demand for these I guess.
> > > >
> > > > Do I make any sense at all?
> > > >
> > > > Viktor
> > > >
> > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Tibi DONDERA" <ti...@yahoo.com>
> > > > To: <co...@xml.apache.org>; <to...@gliderpilot.net>
> > > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:58 PM
> > > > Subject: How do you build your XSLs?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > Just wondering...
> > > > >
> > > > > What tools do you use to build your XSL files? Normally, these
files
> > > > should
> > > > > be written by the graphic crew, but I just didn't find any
> graphician
> > > who
> > > > > knows or who is willing to learn XSL.
> > > > > So for now, I just take the Html files these guys are doing, and I
> > > > manually
> > > > > convert them to XSL... This does not really complies with the
> > separation
> > > > > concept in Cocoon... :(
> > > > >
> > > > > Anybody else has another approach?
> > > > >
> > > > > Tiberiu Dondera
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
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Re: How do you build your XSLs?
Posted by "Piroumian, Konstantin" <KP...@flagship.ru>.
> I personally edit XSL in XMLSpy eval version, the only functionality of
> XMLSpy I use is XML validation, sp I don't miss a tag or closing bracket
or
> something like that. Otherwise, Notepad is as good a tool for editing XSL.
>
> Then I run this XSL in pair with data-containing XML through Web browser
> through Cocoon and watch the output in Adobe Acrobat.
>
> Then I make corrections in XSL and run it again.
Why don't you use XML Spy for transformation too? You can setup it to use
Xalan as the transformer. IE transformer is supported by default.
I use XML Spy 3.5 (registered version) to maintain all the xml, xsl and even
html files in the project. Although, it is not a visual XSL editor, it makes
XSL programming very convenient by all that automaticaly closing tags, tag
hints etc.
>
> In parallel, I read :
> Professional XML by Wrox Publishers
> Zvon.org website
> for XSLT and XSL:FO
> details.
>
> If there were an XSL IDE tool, it should take reading of these two sources
> out of the process
> (in other words, it should sense XSL and XSL:Fo syntax and prompt for it,
> like autocomplete words, etc.)
>
> To return to your question, I did'nt found anything resembling this
> imaginary tool, thus I doubt it exists at all.
Take a look at the eXelon Styles. It is advertised as "The most
sophisticated XSLT editor on the market": http://www.stylusstudio.com/eval
>
> I doubt anybody will write this kind of tool, since the need in it is not
> manifesting itself clearly.
> It's like, hello, we have a new programming language, forget Java, we need
> tools for it - and it's called XSL. How many people need it? Not 5 or 6
> million, like Java or VB developers.
I can remeber at least 5 or 6 XSL tools just now and I think you'll find
much more tools if search for them. The problem is that XSL was standartized
only about 6 months ago.
Konstantin
> Sounds childish today, but will be more obvious in two years or so.
>
>
> Viktor
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tibi DONDERA" <ti...@hotmail.com>
> To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 5:07 PM
> Subject: Re: How do you build your XSLs?
>
>
> > Yes, what you say makes lots of sense, but still doesn't answer the
> > question... :(
> > How exactly do you write your XSLT files??
> >
> > Just a thought, though: the basic features of XSLT can be mastered by a
> > non-programmer. It's not that hard. So, IMHO, there can be a tool that
can
> > do that too... (master XSLT basic features).
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Gritsenko" <gr...@home.com>
> > To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:34 PM
> > Subject: Re: How do you build your XSLs?
> >
> >
> > > XSL is a programming language in fact. XSL programs scan XML and
output
> > > something visual or not,
> > > Tools that could help should be akin to IDEs like JBuilder.
> > >
> > > If there is any future for XSL tools, only IDE vendors could creates
> such
> > > tools.
> > > So far they do not see wide demand for these I guess.
> > >
> > > Do I make any sense at all?
> > >
> > > Viktor
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Tibi DONDERA" <ti...@yahoo.com>
> > > To: <co...@xml.apache.org>; <to...@gliderpilot.net>
> > > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:58 PM
> > > Subject: How do you build your XSLs?
> > >
> > >
> > > > Just wondering...
> > > >
> > > > What tools do you use to build your XSL files? Normally, these files
> > > should
> > > > be written by the graphic crew, but I just didn't find any
graphician
> > who
> > > > knows or who is willing to learn XSL.
> > > > So for now, I just take the Html files these guys are doing, and I
> > > manually
> > > > convert them to XSL... This does not really complies with the
> separation
> > > > concept in Cocoon... :(
> > > >
> > > > Anybody else has another approach?
> > > >
> > > > Tiberiu Dondera
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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Re: How do you build your XSLs?
Posted by Gritsenko <gr...@home.com>.
I personally edit XSL in XMLSpy eval version, the only functionality of
XMLSpy I use is XML validation, sp I don't miss a tag or closing bracket or
something like that. Otherwise, Notepad is as good a tool for editing XSL.
Then I run this XSL in pair with data-containing XML through Web browser
through Cocoon and watch the output in Adobe Acrobat.
Then I make corrections in XSL and run it again.
In parallel, I read :
Professional XML by Wrox Publishers
Zvon.org website
for XSLT and XSL:FO
details.
If there were an XSL IDE tool, it should take reading of these two sources
out of the process
(in other words, it should sense XSL and XSL:Fo syntax and prompt for it,
like autocomplete words, etc.)
To return to your question, I did'nt found anything resembling this
imaginary tool, thus I doubt it exists at all.
I doubt anybody will write this kind of tool, since the need in it is not
manifesting itself clearly.
It's like, hello, we have a new programming language, forget Java, we need
tools for it - and it's called XSL. How many people need it? Not 5 or 6
million, like Java or VB developers.
Sounds childish today, but will be more obvious in two years or so.
Viktor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tibi DONDERA" <ti...@hotmail.com>
To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 5:07 PM
Subject: Re: How do you build your XSLs?
> Yes, what you say makes lots of sense, but still doesn't answer the
> question... :(
> How exactly do you write your XSLT files??
>
> Just a thought, though: the basic features of XSLT can be mastered by a
> non-programmer. It's not that hard. So, IMHO, there can be a tool that can
> do that too... (master XSLT basic features).
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Gritsenko" <gr...@home.com>
> To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:34 PM
> Subject: Re: How do you build your XSLs?
>
>
> > XSL is a programming language in fact. XSL programs scan XML and output
> > something visual or not,
> > Tools that could help should be akin to IDEs like JBuilder.
> >
> > If there is any future for XSL tools, only IDE vendors could creates
such
> > tools.
> > So far they do not see wide demand for these I guess.
> >
> > Do I make any sense at all?
> >
> > Viktor
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Tibi DONDERA" <ti...@yahoo.com>
> > To: <co...@xml.apache.org>; <to...@gliderpilot.net>
> > Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:58 PM
> > Subject: How do you build your XSLs?
> >
> >
> > > Just wondering...
> > >
> > > What tools do you use to build your XSL files? Normally, these files
> > should
> > > be written by the graphic crew, but I just didn't find any graphician
> who
> > > knows or who is willing to learn XSL.
> > > So for now, I just take the Html files these guys are doing, and I
> > manually
> > > convert them to XSL... This does not really complies with the
separation
> > > concept in Cocoon... :(
> > >
> > > Anybody else has another approach?
> > >
> > > Tiberiu Dondera
> > >
> > >
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Re: How do you build your XSLs?
Posted by Tibi DONDERA <ti...@hotmail.com>.
Yes, what you say makes lots of sense, but still doesn't answer the
question... :(
How exactly do you write your XSLT files??
Just a thought, though: the basic features of XSLT can be mastered by a
non-programmer. It's not that hard. So, IMHO, there can be a tool that can
do that too... (master XSLT basic features).
----- Original Message -----
From: "Gritsenko" <gr...@home.com>
To: <co...@xml.apache.org>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 10:34 PM
Subject: Re: How do you build your XSLs?
> XSL is a programming language in fact. XSL programs scan XML and output
> something visual or not,
> Tools that could help should be akin to IDEs like JBuilder.
>
> If there is any future for XSL tools, only IDE vendors could creates such
> tools.
> So far they do not see wide demand for these I guess.
>
> Do I make any sense at all?
>
> Viktor
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Tibi DONDERA" <ti...@yahoo.com>
> To: <co...@xml.apache.org>; <to...@gliderpilot.net>
> Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:58 PM
> Subject: How do you build your XSLs?
>
>
> > Just wondering...
> >
> > What tools do you use to build your XSL files? Normally, these files
> should
> > be written by the graphic crew, but I just didn't find any graphician
who
> > knows or who is willing to learn XSL.
> > So for now, I just take the Html files these guys are doing, and I
> manually
> > convert them to XSL... This does not really complies with the separation
> > concept in Cocoon... :(
> >
> > Anybody else has another approach?
> >
> > Tiberiu Dondera
> >
> >
> >
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Re: How do you build your XSLs?
Posted by Gritsenko <gr...@home.com>.
XSL is a programming language in fact. XSL programs scan XML and output
something visual or not,
Tools that could help should be akin to IDEs like JBuilder.
If there is any future for XSL tools, only IDE vendors could creates such
tools.
So far they do not see wide demand for these I guess.
Do I make any sense at all?
Viktor
----- Original Message -----
From: "Tibi DONDERA" <ti...@yahoo.com>
To: <co...@xml.apache.org>; <to...@gliderpilot.net>
Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 12:58 PM
Subject: How do you build your XSLs?
> Just wondering...
>
> What tools do you use to build your XSL files? Normally, these files
should
> be written by the graphic crew, but I just didn't find any graphician who
> knows or who is willing to learn XSL.
> So for now, I just take the Html files these guys are doing, and I
manually
> convert them to XSL... This does not really complies with the separation
> concept in Cocoon... :(
>
> Anybody else has another approach?
>
> Tiberiu Dondera
>
>
>
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Re: How do you build your XSLs?
Posted by Sérgio Carvalho <se...@acm.org>.
Jan wrote:
>yes.. i guess we all use notepad or a syntax colorin/xml validating text
>editor. i don't know any XSLT specific editor/authoring tool.
>as i see the point, a html coder should build a xhtml file from the layout
>the graphics team provides and then this same guy or anybody who can code
>XSL should write a set of stylesheets corresponding to that.
>
You know, IBM alphaworks is working on a XSL-by-example tool, that
generates one XSL that produces the example output from the example
input. Last time I checked, it was still unusable, though.
Sergio
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Re: How do you build your XSLs?
Posted by "Piroumian, Konstantin" <KP...@flagship.ru>.
> yes.. i guess we all use notepad or a syntax colorin/xml validating text
> editor. i don't know any XSLT specific editor/authoring tool.
> as i see the point, a html coder should build a xhtml file from the layout
> the graphics team provides and then this same guy or anybody who can code
> XSL should write a set of stylesheets corresponding to that.
Take a look at the eXelon Stylus, maybe it's what you need:
http://www.stylusstudio.com/eval
For me, a syntax highlighting, tag completion and context hints are quite
enough (as it is in XML Spy).
>
> by the way: may xsl be callen a programming language?
Why not? Have a seen Michael Key's samples with recursive template calls and
the Knight's Tour stylesheet (a chess problem solved by XSLT). It is like
functional programming languages, such as LISP with some logical programming
language features.
>
> jan.
>
Kot
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Re: How do you build your XSLs?
Posted by Jan <vi...@gmx.de>.
yes.. i guess we all use notepad or a syntax colorin/xml validating text
editor. i don't know any XSLT specific editor/authoring tool.
as i see the point, a html coder should build a xhtml file from the layout
the graphics team provides and then this same guy or anybody who can code
XSL should write a set of stylesheets corresponding to that.
by the way: may xsl be callen a programming language?
jan.
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How do you build your XSLs?
Posted by Tibi DONDERA <ti...@yahoo.com>.
Just wondering...
What tools do you use to build your XSL files? Normally, these files should
be written by the graphic crew, but I just didn't find any graphician who
knows or who is willing to learn XSL.
So for now, I just take the Html files these guys are doing, and I manually
convert them to XSL... This does not really complies with the separation
concept in Cocoon... :(
Anybody else has another approach?
Tiberiu Dondera
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Re: how to declare the entity ?
Posted by Sylvain <sy...@grotte.org>.
Hi,
try replacing with  
Sylvain P.
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Sent: Sunday, June 17, 2001 7:59 PM
Subject: how to declare the entity ?
> Is there any way to declare in an xml file so that cocoon does not
> argue and a browser does a non breaking space?
>
> Jan.
>
> P.S.: Oh and how can I get out the xmlns in the final xhtml?
>
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how to declare the entity ?
Posted by Jan <vi...@gmx.de>.
Is there any way to declare in an xml file so that cocoon does not
argue and a browser does a non breaking space?
Jan.
P.S.: Oh and how can I get out the xmlns in the final xhtml?
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