Clarification in PMC changes

[Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com>]

Hey all,

With some recent emails, it became clear that we may not be giving
people the right background to PMC nominations/additions. The current
text is here:
  http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#newpmc

There is a fundamental, conceptual change needed in that paragraph.
The short answer is that PMC members are never "elected", and the
Board is not "advised" of that election. The Board is the only entity
that can effect changes in the PMCs of the Foundation.

And with that, we delegated certain changes to the PMC Chairs back in 2002:
  http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2002/board_minutes_2002_12_18.txt

The paragraph properly describes the 72-hour process, but it misses on
the concept of oversight of the composition of the PMC. That
composition is reviewed and monitored by the Board.

This is very similar to PMC Chair "elections". I'm not sure there is a
documentation issue there, but it falls in line with the above. PMCs
inform the Board "we'd like $JOHN to be the Chair", and the Board acts
upon that information. Historically, the Board does tend to honor the
PMC's wishes for its Chair, but it *has* refused that request in
certain cases, and placed another in the position.

I'm at the end of the night, and don't have specific suggestions to
improve pmc.html (above). I'm hoping the team here can find the right
test.

Thanks,
-g

Re: Clarification in PMC changes

[Ross Gardler <rg...@opendirective.com>]

In addition to reviewing these docs I'd appreciate some oversight on the template at http://community.apache.org/newcommitter.htmlhttp://community.apache.org/newcommitter.html

Sent from my mobile device (so please excuse typos)

On 27 Jun 2011, at 09:15, Greg Stein <gs...@gmail.com> wrote:

> Hey all,
> 
> With some recent emails, it became clear that we may not be giving
> people the right background to PMC nominations/additions. The current
> text is here:
>  http://www.apache.org/dev/pmc.html#newpmc
> 
> There is a fundamental, conceptual change needed in that paragraph.
> The short answer is that PMC members are never "elected", and the
> Board is not "advised" of that election. The Board is the only entity
> that can effect changes in the PMCs of the Foundation.
> 
> And with that, we delegated certain changes to the PMC Chairs back in 2002:
>  http://www.apache.org/foundation/records/minutes/2002/board_minutes_2002_12_18.txt
> 
> The paragraph properly describes the 72-hour process, but it misses on
> the concept of oversight of the composition of the PMC. That
> composition is reviewed and monitored by the Board.
> 
> This is very similar to PMC Chair "elections". I'm not sure there is a
> documentation issue there, but it falls in line with the above. PMCs
> inform the Board "we'd like $JOHN to be the Chair", and the Board acts
> upon that information. Historically, the Board does tend to honor the
> PMC's wishes for its Chair, but it *has* refused that request in
> certain cases, and placed another in the position.
> 
> I'm at the end of the night, and don't have specific suggestions to
> improve pmc.html (above). I'm hoping the team here can find the right
> test.
> 
> Thanks,
> -g