how to "melt" phoenix with catalina

[Binary Runner <bi...@yahoo.com>]

Hi,

I would like to ask you for help with the question 
I've not found reply to yet. I'd like to build
application server with various adapter frontends
(read as thin as possible). The web adapter will
go first.

I've realized that the Avalon Phoenix and 
Jakarta Tomcat are what I need start with.
Now I'm trying to find hot to "melt" them 
together. By melting I mean that there will
be component(s) residing in Phoenix the JSP
frontend will see in its scope(s). These
components will provide both model and 
controller functionality. I've looked
at Sevak a bit and I don't see this ability 
there. Can you please give me an advice what
approach should I adopt ? I just like to know
your opinions on where to make which interface,
what extend etc. as I'm not able to get full 
image at this time.

Thank you for replies,
R.Matl







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Re: how to "melt" phoenix with catalina

[Paul Hammant <Pa...@yahoo.com>]

Binary,

I dont quite understand your question.  However I'll answer it as it 
you'd asked "How do I go about componentizing Catalina so that it can 
run inside Phoenix as a set of blocks and present services to other 
Phoenix components".  Sorry if that is not what you are asking:

Basically , we tried and failed in previous months to mount Catalina as 
an interface/implementation separated set of components on top of 
Phoenix. We failed because of a couple of reasons - 1) there was poor 
interface/impl separation for Catalina itself.  And 2) some of the trees 
of class loaders would only work if they were mounted at root 
(primordial) level.    Things may have improved since then but we are 
mosting concentrating on Sevak which is a wrapper approach.  It still 
has problems though possibly related to (2) above.

- Paul

>I would like to ask you for help with the question 
>I've not found reply to yet. I'd like to build
>application server with various adapter frontends
>(read as thin as possible). The web adapter will
>go first.
>
>I've realized that the Avalon Phoenix and 
>Jakarta Tomcat are what I need start with.
>Now I'm trying to find hot to "melt" them 
>together. By melting I mean that there will
>be component(s) residing in Phoenix the JSP
>frontend will see in its scope(s). These
>components will provide both model and 
>controller functionality. I've looked
>at Sevak a bit and I don't see this ability 
>there. Can you please give me an advice what
>approach should I adopt ? I just like to know
>your opinions on where to make which interface,
>what extend etc. as I'm not able to get full 
>image at this time.
>
>Thank you for replies,
>  
>



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Re: how to "melt" phoenix with catalina

[Leo Simons <le...@apache.org>]

On Wed, 2002-08-28 at 08:53, Binary Runner wrote:
> > Hi,
> > 
> > It depends on what you want to do. If you want them
> > as separate containers 
> > then you can use AltRMI, RMI, SOAP, IIOP or whatever
> > to talk between catalina 
> > and phoenix.
> 
> That sounds well, I'll probably keep with
> some kind of RMI -- I've just not thought 
> about the remote access so I've overlooked 
> the possibility. I agree your adice provide
> cleaner approach then my former concept.
> 
> As I need maximum transparency for the 
> components I'll try AltRMI. If you think it's
> not a good choice tell me please.

if we thought it was a bad choice, we wouldn't use or develop it
ourselves =)

I'm purely a user of AltRMI (I understand basically zip about its
internals), and I can tell you it is easier to use than RMI once you
figure the basics out (try the archives for this list and for the
avalon-apps list if the documentation doesn't get you started...). I
have not tested performance 'n stuff, but the AltRMI gurus here tell me
it is pretty good.....

regards,

Leo Simons



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Re: how to "melt" phoenix with catalina

[Binary Runner <bi...@yahoo.com>]

> Hi,
> 
> It depends on what you want to do. If you want them
> as separate containers 
> then you can use AltRMI, RMI, SOAP, IIOP or whatever
> to talk between catalina 
> and phoenix.

That sounds well, I'll probably keep with
some kind of RMI -- I've just not thought 
about the remote access so I've overlooked 
the possibility. I agree your adice provide
cleaner approach then my former concept.

As I need maximum transparency for the 
components I'll try AltRMI. If you think it's
not a good choice tell me please.

Thank you all for the replies,
R.Matl

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Re: how to "melt" phoenix with catalina

[Peter Donald <pe...@apache.org>]

Hi,

It depends on what you want to do. If you want them as separate containers 
then you can use AltRMI, RMI, SOAP, IIOP or whatever to talk between catalina 
and phoenix.

If you want to embed one inside the other then that is also possible. Paul has 
emailed regarding embedding Catalina in Phoenix but if you want to embed 
Phoenix into Catalina then that shoul dbe possible to. If you want to do that 
then drop another email to say so and one of us will explain it ;)

On Tue, 27 Aug 2002 18:15, Binary Runner wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I would like to ask you for help with the question
> I've not found reply to yet. I'd like to build
> application server with various adapter frontends
> (read as thin as possible). The web adapter will
> go first.
>
> I've realized that the Avalon Phoenix and
> Jakarta Tomcat are what I need start with.
> Now I'm trying to find hot to "melt" them
> together. By melting I mean that there will
> be component(s) residing in Phoenix the JSP
> frontend will see in its scope(s). These
> components will provide both model and
> controller functionality. I've looked
> at Sevak a bit and I don't see this ability
> there. Can you please give me an advice what
> approach should I adopt ? I just like to know
> your opinions on where to make which interface,
> what extend etc. as I'm not able to get full
> image at this time.
>
> Thank you for replies,
> R.Matl
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
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